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JEDIpartner
10-30-2012, 04:31 PM
DISNEY TO ACQUIRE LUCASFILM LTD. (http://thewaltdisneycompany.com/disney-news/press-releases/2012/10/disney-acquire-lucasfilm-ltd)



Global leader in high-quality family entertainment agrees to acquire world-renowned Lucasfilm Ltd, including legendary STAR WARS franchise.
Acquisition continues Disney's strategic focus on creating and monetizing the world's best branded content, innovative technology and global growth to drive long-term shareholder value.
Lucasfilm to join company's global portfolio of world class brands including Disney, ESPN, Pixar, Marvel and ABC.
STAR WARS: EPISODE 7 feature film targeted for release in 2015.

Burbank, CA and San Francisco, CA, October 30, 2012 – Continuing its strategy of delivering exceptional creative content to audiences around the world, The Walt Disney Company (NYSE: DIS) has agreed to acquire Lucasfilm Ltd. in a stock and cash transaction. Lucasfilm is 100% owned by Lucasfilm Chairman and Founder, George Lucas.
Under the terms of the agreement and based on the closing price of Disney stock on October 26, 2012, the transaction value is $4.05 billion, with Disney paying approximately half of the consideration in cash and issuing approximately 40 million shares at closing. The final consideration will be subject to customary post-closing balance sheet adjustments.
"Lucasfilm reflects the extraordinary passion, vision, and storytelling of its founder, George Lucas," said Robert A. Iger, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of The Walt Disney Company. "This transaction combines a world-class portfolio of content including Star Wars, one of the greatest family entertainment franchises of all time, with Disney's unique and unparalleled creativity across multiple platforms, businesses, and markets to generate sustained growth and drive significant long-term value."


"For the past 35 years, one of my greatest pleasures has been to see Star Wars passed from one generation to the next," said George Lucas, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of Lucasfilm. "It's now time for me to pass Star Wars on to a new generation of filmmakers. I've always believed that Star Wars could live beyond me, and I thought it was important to set up the transition during my lifetime. I'm confident that with Lucasfilm under the leadership of Kathleen Kennedy, and having a new home within the Disney organization, Star Wars will certainly live on and flourish for many generations to come. Disney's reach and experience give Lucasfilm the opportunity to blaze new trails in film, television, interactive media, theme parks, live entertainment, and consumer products."


Under the deal, Disney will acquire ownership of Lucasfilm, a leader in entertainment, innovation and technology, including its massively popular and "evergreen" Star Wars franchise and its operating businesses in live action film production, consumer products, animation, visual effects, and audio post production. Disney will also acquire the substantial portfolio of cutting-edge entertainment technologies that have kept audiences enthralled for many years. Lucasfilm, headquartered in San Francisco, operates under the names Lucasfilm Ltd., LucasArts, Industrial Light & Magic, and Skywalker Sound, and the present intent is for Lucasfilm employees to remain in their current locations.


Kathleen Kennedy, current Co-Chairman of Lucasfilm, will become President of Lucasfilm, reporting to Walt Disney Studios Chairman Alan Horn. Additionally she will serve as the brand manager for Star Wars, working directly with Disney's global lines of business to build, further integrate, and maximize the value of this global franchise. Ms. Kennedy will serve as executive producer on new Star Wars feature films, with George Lucas serving as creative consultant. Star Wars Episode 7 is targeted for release in 2015, with more feature films expected to continue the Star Wars saga and grow the franchise well into the future.


The acquisition combines two highly compatible family entertainment brands, and strengthens the long-standing beneficial relationship between them that already includes successful integration of Star Wars content into Disney theme parks in Anaheim, Orlando, Paris and Tokyo.


Driven by a tremendously talented creative team, Lucasfilm's legendary Star Wars franchise has flourished for more than 35 years, and offers a virtually limitless universe of characters and stories to drive continued feature film releases and franchise growth over the long term. Star Wars resonates with consumers around the world and creates extensive opportunities for Disney to deliver the content across its diverse portfolio of businesses including movies, television, consumer products, games and theme parks. Star Wars feature films have earned a total of $4.4 billion in global box to date, and continued global demand has made Star Wars one of the world's top product brands, and Lucasfilm a leading product licensor in the United States in 2011. The franchise provides a sustainable source of high quality, branded content with global appeal and is well suited for new business models including digital platforms, putting the acquisition in strong alignment with Disney's strategic priorities for continued long-term growth.


The Lucasfilm acquisition follows Disney's very successful acquisitions of Pixar and Marvel, which demonstrated the company's unique ability to fully develop and expand the financial potential of high quality creative content with compelling characters and storytelling through the application of innovative technology and multiplatform distribution on a truly global basis to create maximum value. Adding Lucasfilm to Disney's portfolio of world class brands significantly enhances the company's ability to serve consumers with a broad variety of the world's highest-quality content and to create additional long-term value for our shareholders.


The Boards of Directors of Disney and Lucasfilm have approved the transaction, which is subject to clearance under the Hart-Scott-Rodino Antitrust Improvements Act, certain non-United States merger control regulations, and other customary closing conditions. The agreement has been approved by the sole shareholder of Lucasfilm.


Note: Additional information and comments from Robert A. Iger, chairman and CEO, The Walt Disney Company, and Jay Rasulo, senior executive vice president and CFO, The Walt Disney Company, regarding Disney's acquisition of Lucasfilm, are attached.



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The discussion will be available via replay on the Disney Investor Relations website through November 13, 2012 at 5:00 PM EST/2:00 PM PST.


About The Walt Disney Company
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About Lucasfilm Ltd.
Founded by George Lucas in 1971, Lucasfilm is a privately held, fully-integrated entertainment company. In addition to its motion-picture and television production operations, the company's global activities include Industrial Light & Magic and Skywalker Sound, serving the digital needs of the entertainment industry for visual-effects and audio post-production; LucasArts, a leading developer and publisher of interactive entertainment software worldwide; Lucas Licensing, which manages the global merchandising activities for Lucasfilm's entertainment properties; Lucasfilm Animation; and Lucas Online creates Internet-based content for Lucasfilm's entertainment properties and businesses. Additionally, Lucasfilm Singapore, produces digital animated content for film and television, as well as visual effects for feature films and multi-platform games. Lucasfilm Ltd. is headquartered in San Francisco, California.




I don't want an EPISODE VII. I personally don't care if they make more Star Wars films, but can they create a new storyline that is tangentially based on something that happened beyond Luke, Leia and Han???

The only good thing about this is possibly an entirely Star Wars themed park!!!

jamesbondo07
10-30-2012, 04:31 PM
Found this VERY interesting. Not sure if I like the move though.

http://thewaltdisneycompany.com/disney-news/press-releases/2012/10/disney-acquire-lucasfilm-ltd

JEDIpartner
10-30-2012, 04:36 PM
...and I don't want the Thrawn Trilogy. I don't want to see someone else playing Luke, Leia, Han or Lando.

jamesbondo07
10-30-2012, 04:49 PM
I just posted the link at the same time. lol I agree I hope they take this down a different story line don't try to find new actors for the original characters.

bigbarada
10-30-2012, 04:54 PM
All I want is unaltered versions of the Original Trilogy on Blu-Ray. With Lucas out of the driver's seat, it seems like that is finally becoming a possibility.

I'm also not that excited about the prospect of new Star Wars films. Although it will be interesting to see what kind of role Lucas will play in the creation of these new films and what the ends results will be. I can't help but think that they will be better movies just by Lucas' absence.

JediTricks
10-30-2012, 04:56 PM
I could not be more shocked. Lucas used to state that SW ended with him, that as a movie and saga it was under his direct control. Yet here he's

"For the past 35 years, one of my greatest pleasures has been to see Star Wars passed from one generation to the next," said George Lucas, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of Lucasfilm. "It's now time for me to pass Star Wars on to a new generation of filmmakers. I've always believed that Star Wars could live beyond me, and I thought it was important to set up the transition during my lifetime.That's such a 180, naturally he says it's something he's always believed. :p

Installing Kathleen Kennedy as the top of the company suggests to me that this has been in the works for some time already.

I wonder if LucasArts, ILM, and Lucas Licensing are going to remain their own thing and are going to remain controlling interests for SW for each of their arms. Also, what happens to the SW Celebration conventions with this?

EDIT: This *does* include the Lucas companies like ILM and Lucasarts! That's CRAZY! The most powerful effects house in the world is now once again under the Disney banner (ILM was never under the Disney banner, before ILM was created it was Disney's fx house that was the largest).


All I want is unaltered versions of the Original Trilogy on Blu-Ray. With Lucas out of the driver's seat, it seems like that is finally becoming a possibility.

I'm also not that excited about the prospect of new Star Wars films. Although it will be interesting to see what kind of role Lucas will play in the creation of these new films and what the ends results will be. I can't help but think that they will be better movies just by Lucas' absence.A buddy of mine just said the same thing about the pre-SE OT and I had to explain to him that there are no usable ANH prints left anymore, the master print was butchered to make the SE, that was the original point of the SE to restore the ANH master print but instead they turned it into the SE. Unless they find a miracle print for ANH, there's not a good chance we'll ever see it on Blu Ray or any HD quality format.

I feel that Episode VII sounds very worrisome as a concept, but who knows, maybe they'll pull it out. As for Lucas' involvement, I hope he's involved but doesn't have final say on some things, he's an excellent idea man and has a global vision, he just sucks at culling the bad ideas from the good. I certainly don't want Muppet Treasure Island and Muppet Christmas Carol to be the future of Star Wars.

Steve thinks this will put a Star Wars themepark into existence, I suspect he's right and it'll be a full satellite park in Orlando as part of Walt Disney World.

I think Ep VII could work with the OT cast if they simply use them as voice actors and do CGI people, Steve is saying CGI their heads onto other actors the way they did with Palpatine and Dooku in ROTS, I'm thinking they could even get the actors and de-age them a little the way X-men 3 did with Professor X and Magneto. 2015 isn't that far off though, so they better have SOMETHING in mind and a script underway.


I bet we finally see Tucker: A Man and his Dream released on a disc format, then locked in the "disney vault".

Lord Malakite
10-30-2012, 05:41 PM
I'm kind of numb after hearing this. Seeing how Disney handled Power Rangers when it was in their possession. Now I'm going to have to experience it all over again with Star Wars.

Umbra
10-30-2012, 06:03 PM
Too numb to adequately post a response, but I did want to share this video of Disney, Lucas and Kathleen talking the whole thing over:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyqlTi7lkhY&feature=youtu.be

JEDIpartner
10-30-2012, 06:38 PM
I'm thinking they could even get the actors and de-age them a little the way X-men 3 did with Professor X and Magneto.

They can de-age them, but they can't de-fat them. :(

bigbarada
10-30-2012, 07:47 PM
A buddy of mine just said the same thing about the pre-SE OT and I had to explain to him that there are no usable ANH prints left anymore, the master print was butchered to make the SE, that was the original point of the SE to restore the ANH master print but instead they turned it into the SE. Unless they find a miracle print for ANH, there's not a good chance we'll ever see it on Blu Ray or any HD quality format.

That doesn't seem like it could be true. If nothing else, the Library of Congress should still have a copy of each film from their original releases. I don't know how easy it would be to gain access to those copies for the purposes of digital restoration, but I'm sure it could be done.



I'm thinking they could even get the actors and de-age them a little the way X-men 3 did with Professor X and Magneto.


Seriously, I hope no filmmaker ever tries that again, it looked horrible, horrible, horrible, horrible. Because all they did was erase wrinkles and they never even addressed the long-term effects of gravity on a human face and the fact that face widen over time. So we ended up with smooth-skinned yet still saggy, fat faces that looked totally inhuman.

Maybe they can cast Shia LeBeouf as Han Solo's son and have him sit in the pilot's seat of the Millenium Falcon at the end of the movie only to have Harrison Ford yank him out and say, "Don't even think about it."

JimJamBonds
10-30-2012, 08:57 PM
I'm very skeptical, I don't want a recast Luke, Leia, Han. I'd be happy with the movies "dying" with Lucas, let the SW world continue in books, cartoons etc.

Darth Metalmute
10-30-2012, 10:51 PM
Does this mean before the iconic Star Wars crawl, we see this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwMYzTHgdzY&feature=fvwrel ?

El Chuxter
10-30-2012, 11:00 PM
Ha! I just posted that same thing to the Bookface!

Snowtrooper
10-30-2012, 11:31 PM
Wow! Amazing news!! Whether its good news or bad news remains to be seen. I think I'd like to have Lucas still have a part in it, but as JT pointed out, not total control. As far as who to play Luke, Leia, & Han, I don't know what to think about that. They will always be compared to the original actors. I'm also worried about the watering down factor as well. It might be a better idea to wait a few years longer to release EVII before releasing it to give the franchise a little rest in the public's mind.

Bel-Cam Jos
10-31-2012, 12:55 AM
When I had a friend mention this, my first thought was "April Fool's Day." Then I remembered we're coming up on All Saint's Day, 'cause it'll be November. I'm not super excited about the deal, but I won't use Lando's Cloud City line about "this deal's getting worse all the time" yet.

Tycho
10-31-2012, 07:42 AM
I worry the latest news about Episodes 7, 8, 9, etc. might throw the EU to the wind. It doesn't have to. Nor does it need to make movies out of the existing books to keep with the continuity.

Please read on.

Jaina and Jacen (as infants) were created by Timothy Zahn during "Heir to the Empire." As the father of the Star Wars Renaissance, like the Solo twins or not, many should remember their origins.

Kevin J. Anderson and then the New Jedi Order writers developed the Solo kids the rest of the way until they are in approximately their mid-to-late-20's.

Anakin Solo was a Dark Horse Comics character born after his twin siblings. Lucas had him killed off to there weren't two (2) Anakins as the Clone Wars took off. It had a good effect on the impact it made on Jaina and Jacen, and Han and Leia.

Jacen became Darth Caedus eventually, and was indirectly responsible for the death of Mara (Jade) Skywalker. Unlike when Padme died, Luke did not turn into the Dark Side, left without love as his father had. Instead he raised and trained their son, Ben Skywalker.

Ben's grandson is Cole Skywalker, Cade's father, killed at Ossus.

Jaina married Jagged Fel and became an Empress as the family of the Imperial war hero Baron Soontir Fel was elected Emperor. The descendant Fels are all Force-users (Imperial Knights) because of Jaina, a grand-daughter of Darth Vader. Jaina Fel's great-grandson is Emperor Roan Fel. He has a daughter Princess Marsiah Fel, cousin of Cade Skywalker.

Cade also has a non-Force-sensitive half-sister by a different father.

There are gaps in the EU which could be filled here by a movie series IF THEY MAINTAIN THE EXPANDED UNIVERSE.

Also, Han and Leia are raising the daughter of Jacen Solo (the late Darth Caedus), Alanah Solo. She is the daughter of the Hapan Queen Tenel Ka, widow of Jacen Solo. (Remember Courtship of Princess Leia?)

If new movies use Mark, Carrie, and Harrison at their current ages to reprise their roles (as b-characters), Luke could be training his grandson, Ben Skywalker's child - as Ben would be a fully trained Jedi Knight.

On the Solo side of the family, the future Emperor Roan Fel would be a young child if Han and Leia knew their great-grandson through Jaina. Interestingly enough, Kathleen Kennedy looks like an older Jaina Fel.

Meanwhile, Alanah Solo would be at the perfect Star Wars "Alpha-Character age" (around her late teens to early 20's). Carrie could play Grandma.

I have a feeling that:

1) you probably don't care. Many here have their focus on the movies and (maybe because there were SOME really bad books) and you'd like to throw it all away and let the movies steer a different course. [I am the opposite, as I've enjoyed imagining what comes after ROTJ and how LucasBooks had handled it in a meaningful chronology whereas Star Trek books are an incohesive mess and it's hard to know what to get into, though a linear legacy post-DS9 would interest me if there was one. But because Star Wars EU has entertained me thus far, so I want to see it preserved in any continuing expansion.]

2) While I don't know if Kathleen Kennedy cares, new people brought into the Star Wars brand might eagerly wait to get to do their thing - which might or might not be to anyone's liking. (and scares the hell out of me)

3) As to using my own imagination for what happened after Jedi? When I was a child playing with my action figures, I wrote elaborate stories for post ROTJ adventures. I'm not kidding when (not long after 1983) I had Han and Leia go to Dagobah to train (see the Glove of Darth Vader YA books which came out years later in the early 90's), Leia becoming a Jedi and leader of a New Republic - REALLY, ISN'T THIS LOGICAL? and on top of that, them having a child (ANOTHER LOGICAL CONCLUSION) and I named that kid Anakin Solo - symbolic of Leia forgiving her father (ANOTHER LOGICAL CONCLUSION). I used the GI Joe Hawk figure for their son. I did not think of fraternal twins, but I've really liked Jaina and Jacen over the years.

What did you imagine post-ROTJ?

JetsAndHeels
10-31-2012, 12:25 PM
Midnight toy launch at the Disney Store!!

bigbarada
10-31-2012, 01:14 PM
What did you imagine post-ROTJ?

Well, I imagine Luke slowly rebuilding the Jedi Order, because that was pretty much what the title "The Return of the Jedi" hinted at. Plus, Leia starting to use Force powers and maybe marrying Han Solo.

Although I don't see how Carrie Fisher or Harrison Ford could have anything more than an extended cameo in the new films. But I could definitely see Mark Hamill taking on an "Obi-Wan Kenobi from ANH" type of role in the new films.

What I definitely do NOT want to see is a ghost Hayden Christensen showing up and giving advice to an aged Mark Hamill.

Yoda will definitely be in it and I'm sure they could persuade Ewan McGregor to reprise his role as Obi-Wan.

If George Lucas is saying that he already has story treatments for episodes 7-9, then I think it's safe to assume that those treatments date back to the mid-1970s or early-1980s (he'd always claimed that there were supposed to be 12 Star Wars films, then that number was revised down to 9 around the time of ROTJ). So, I think it's also safe to assume that those story treatments will completely contradict anything set up in Post-ROTJ EU. Which is good for me, because I never liked the idea of the Empire surviving after the Emperor.

I'm betting Episodes 7-9 will be back to Jedi vs. Sith, not Rebels vs. Empire.

I should add that this announcement isn't a total shock to me since Star Wars and Disney have always been linked in my mind since 1987 when Star Tours premiered. It really just feels like the logical and natural progression as George Lucas steps out of the spotlight.

Tycho
10-31-2012, 03:04 PM
So, I think it's also safe to assume that those story treatments will completely contradict anything set up in Post-ROTJ EU. Which is good for me, because I never liked the idea of the Empire surviving after the Emperor.

I'm betting Episodes 7-9 will be back to Jedi vs. Sith, not Rebels vs. Empire.



To BigB: but really, just because Palpatine died in ROTJ and Vader is gone of course, what would all those greedy Sector Governors (like Tarkin had he lived) and the Empire's command officers (like Veers who's death was never shown on screen - a character I even had recurring in my own post-ROTJ story treatment)?

The Empire wouldn't just desolve and give up autocracy for a New Republic democracy (or after 23 years would you still call it the Old Republic?)

I think the war would go on - this time more successfully for the Rebel Alliance until there really was some kind of provisional council (done in the EU during the Rogue Squadron era) and eventually a New Republic.

Then, to your 2nd point: where would the new Sith come from? Luke's apprentices like Brakiss did fall to the Dark Side until Luke learned to be a better Jedi Master.

Asajj Ventress - an EXPANDED UNIVERSE CHARACTER not yet killed - could return, restoring the Sith as has been speculated.

Han and Leia would definitely have kids unless both were killed. Leia's children would be Force-sensitive. But they'd need to be training. One could fall to the Dark Side (Jacen Solo - been there, done that - with a very well-developed character).

Twins having twins is also possible. (But not Luke and Leia together - Luke's dad cut off his son's hand for doing that!)

Anyway, EVERYONE ELSE: what did you imagine would happen post-ROTJ?

bigbarada
10-31-2012, 03:14 PM
To BigB: but really, just because Palpatine died in ROTJ and Vader is gone of course, what would all those greedy Sector Governors (like Tarkin had he lived) and the Empire's command officers (like Veers who's death was never shown on screen - a character I even had recurring in my own post-ROTJ story treatment)?

The Empire wouldn't just desolve and give up autocracy for a New Republic democracy (or after 23 years would you still call it the Old Republic?)

I think the war would go on - this time more successfully for the Rebel Alliance until there really was some kind of provisional council (done in the EU during the Rogue Squadron era) and eventually a New Republic.

Then, to your 2nd point: where would the new Sith come from? Luke's apprentices like Brakiss did fall to the Dark Side until Luke learned to be a better Jedi Master.

Asajj Ventress - an EXPANDED UNIVERSE CHARACTER not yet killed - could return, restoring the Sith as has been speculated.

Han and Leia would definitely have kids unless both were killed. Leia's children would be Force-sensitive. But they'd need to be training. One could fall to the Dark Side (Jacen Solo - been there, done that - with a very well-developed character).

Twins having twins is also possible. (But not Luke and Leia together - Luke's dad cut off his son's hand for doing that!)

Anyway, EVERYONE ELSE: what did you imagine would happen post-ROTJ?

Well, I kind of see it similar to what happened with Nazi Germany. Most of those guys knew what they were doing was evil, so once Hitler was dead, the Nazis basically dissolved and most of the high ranking officers went into hiding to keep from being prosecuted for their crimes. I could imagine a similar situation with the Empire. It would also underscore the idea that Palpatine's evil influence was behind most of the drive behind the Imperials. Once he was dead, that drive to die for the Empire would no longer exist.

There might be a few factions here and there, but I feel that the Empire was portrayed as too strong and too unified in the post-ROTJ EU, simply because the writers couldn't come up with a more original "villain" for the Rebels.

El Chuxter
10-31-2012, 03:42 PM
I liked the Thrawn trilogy for this reason. The New Republic had been at war with the Imperial remnants for five years, and they were doomed to lose because of infighting and a lack of organization. Then Thrawn shows up. He is able to unite the warlords under his command--and, most importantly, he's a likable character. He completely turns the tables around on the Rebels until one of his seemingly most loyal subjects kills him because of an agreement between Vader and his race, and Thrawn not taking into account they might recognize Leia as Vader's daughter.

The fall of the Empire didn't play out like the fall of Nazi Germany. Germany had been declining, losing territory for a while, and then Hitler killed himself as the Russians captured Berlin. The destruction of the second Death Star would be more akin to Hitler and Himmler holding a secret meeting at the Wolf's Lair (following years of trouncing the Allies repeatedly and preventing them from getting a foothold in Europe, most recently taking over, say, Britain) and a small group of Allied commandos blowing up the building with them inside. In this case, there's nothing to make us presume the remaining Nazi generals and other leaders wouldn't keep fighting. They weren't losing, exactly. They just lost their two top guys and a superweapon at once. (Granted, we see the general populace celebrating Palpatine's death in the Special Editions, but what's to say the Stormtroopers didn't give everyone present a severe spanking immediately afterwards?)

BTW, is Obsession is still canon (which seems debatable following what I've heard about the last season of Clone Wars), Asajj Ventress is believed to be dead, but is in hiding. Trouble is (in terms of her being an E7 villain), she no longer wants anything to do with Sith or war.

What do I want? An explanation of what The Journal of the Whills is, what a Whill is, and what the significance of "The Son of the Sun" is.

El Chuxter
10-31-2012, 03:56 PM
Oh, and a better damned explanation for why some Jedi fade and some don't. The prequels answered some questions and raised others, but they were questions that practically undermined the original series and everything that came between the two trilogies. (If all Jedi didn't fade, why did Lucas okay almost two decades worth of stories where that happened, or at least hit on it in TPM in a way that didn't make us all think something was wrong with Qui-Gon?)

JediTricks
10-31-2012, 03:58 PM
They can de-age them, but they can't de-fat them. :(They probably can, did you see what ILM did with Mark Ruffalo's the Hulk in The Avengers?


That doesn't seem like it could be true. If nothing else, the Library of Congress should still have a copy of each film from their original releases. I don't know how easy it would be to gain access to those copies for the purposes of digital restoration, but I'm sure it could be done.The Library of Congress' National Film Registry does not preserve all films, only select films are actually preserved. And digital restoration is of course possible, but why would they put a lot of money into restoring the old ANH when a pristine digital transfer of the new ANH is at their fingertips and Lucas himself as rejected the original? So it's unlikely. But the ANH master print is gone for good, that was the point of the Special Editions, Lucas found out in the early '90s that Fox had stored their masters (not just ANH but most Fox films - ESB and ROTJ weren't owned by Fox so they're not included, Lucas had them on his own) stored in a salt mine that didn't take into account enough environmental variables which led to the cellulose degrading and the color fading horribly, so Lucas took the decaying masters for ANH to ILM in '94 or so and instructed them to restore it, and that's when he realized based on the work they were doing for Jurassic Park and other films that he could go back and fix the mistakes that personally bothered him about ANH, and that became the ANH restoration that would later be released as the "special edition" - he restored ANH to death. So the master print of the original ANH is gone forever, which leaves the only possibility of an HD transfer coming from a well-preserved 35mm distribution print, but those are few and far between, and their cellulose has been decaying for 35 years, and there are multiple iterations - slightly different edits and many different audio versions, as well as 16mm prints and a very few 70mm blow-ups (ANH was shot on 35mm so 70mm is blown up from that, the film grain doubles in size), which means Disney would have to track down a miracle-quality distribution print that was basically unused, and cut to the final version of the film with the final version of the audio track. It's basically a "not going to happen" situation, IMO.



Seriously, I hope no filmmaker ever tries that again, it looked horrible, horrible, horrible, horrible. Because all they did was erase wrinkles and they never even addressed the long-term effects of gravity on a human face and the fact that face widen over time. So we ended up with smooth-skinned yet still saggy, fat faces that looked totally inhuman.Heh, yeah they were pretty bad, but it's been a while so maybe they got better at it. :p


Maybe they can cast Shia LeBeouf as Han Solo's son and have him sit in the pilot's seat of the Millenium Falcon at the end of the movie only to have Harrison Ford yank him out and say, "Don't even think about it."Ford will be 73 by then, so he'll probably need a walker just to get him to the cockpit.



I worry the latest news about Episodes 7, 8, 9, etc. might throw the EU to the wind. It doesn't have to. Nor does it need to make movies out of the existing books to keep with the continuity.
The post-ROTJ EU is dead, it has to be, the filmmakers need freedom from outside ideas to build off of Lucas' snippets of vision that he's feeding them for this. Lucas has shown no interest in salvaging the EU with the prequels or with Clone Wars so far, there's no reason to expect him to here either. And it shouldn't matter what we want, it should only matter what the filmmakers want to use to tell a good story - a good story told well will make an audience find it, it will create what an audience wants rather than base itself on audience expectations.



Well, I kind of see it similar to what happened with Nazi Germany. Most of those guys knew what they were doing was evil, so once Hitler was dead, the Nazis basically dissolved and most of the high ranking officers went into hiding to keep from being prosecuted for their crimes. I could imagine a similar situation with the Empire. It would also underscore the idea that Palpatine's evil influence was behind most of the drive behind the Imperials. Once he was dead, that drive to die for the Empire would no longer exist.

There might be a few factions here and there, but I feel that the Empire was portrayed as too strong and too unified in the post-ROTJ EU, simply because the writers couldn't come up with a more original "villain" for the Rebels.The difference at the end of ROTJ though is that there is no signficant outside global power in Star Wars to bring the regional governors and admirals to prosecution the way there was at the end of WW2. The Rebellion was not authorized by any single planet (except maybe Alderaan) into creating a new system of government on their own which swept over the entire known galaxy, even if their goals were to reinstate the Republic - which seemed likely - there was no immediate way to do that neatly, which as I posted in the news comments, means that after ROTJ there was likely a lot of powerful governors and admirals who splintered into factions, some who became warlords, some who tried to rebuild the Empire with a few others, and some maybe who even joined the Rebellion cause or just ruled their systems without cruelty. The EU surrounding ROTJ suggested that the Emperor had some form of Force influence over the admiralty, so there is possibility there in a few just admirals controlling troops and Star Destroyers, a few just regional governors, but the Imperials seemed largely like jerks.



I liked the Thrawn trilogy for this reason. The New Republic had been at war with the Imperial remnants for five years, and they were doomed to lose because of infighting and a lack of organization. Then Thrawn shows up. He is able to unite the warlords under his command--and, most importantly, he's a likable character. He completely turns the tables around on the Rebels until one of his seemingly most loyal subjects kills him because of an agreement between Vader and his race, and Thrawn not taking into account they might recognize Leia as Vader's daughter.Agreed, that's one of the Thrawn trilogy elements I really liked as well, it seemed well-thought-out and possible.


What do I want? An explanation of what The Journal of the Whills is, what a Whill is, and what the significance of "The Son of the Sun" is.Haven't you LEARNED yet from the drubbing we got on the prequels? The more Lucas explains about this stuff that was meant to be hinted at and not told, the more disappointing it becomes.

JediTricks
10-31-2012, 04:03 PM
Oh, and a better damned explanation for why some Jedi fade and some don't. The prequels answered some questions and raised others, but they were questions that practically undermined the original series and everything that came between the two trilogies. (If all Jedi didn't fade, why did Lucas okay almost two decades worth of stories where that happened, or at least hit on it in TPM in a way that didn't make us all think something was wrong with Qui-Gon?)Vader didn't fade when he was killed either, Luke had to burn up his body as well, so perhaps Qui-Gon's roguish ways kept him from joining the Force until he was purged, that'd fit with some religions' version of purgatory, a forge that burned away all the sins and evils within the soul so that it could be made clean and sent to heaven - Lucas borrowed heavily from ideas like that. Personally, I could have lived with that and left the stupid Yoda comments at the end of ROTS out entirely.

El Chuxter
10-31-2012, 04:16 PM
Vader didn't fade when he was killed either, Luke had to burn up his body as well, so perhaps Qui-Gon's roguish ways kept him from joining the Force until he was purged, that'd fit with some religions' version of purgatory, a forge that burned away all the sins and evils within the soul so that it could be made clean and sent to heaven - Lucas borrowed heavily from ideas like that. Personally, I could have lived with that and left the stupid Yoda comments at the end of ROTS out entirely.
That's not 100% clear, though. We see Vader close his eyes, and, the next time we see him, he's on the pyre with the mask back on. It's not established in the originals how much Anakin physically remains, only that he's more machine than man.

I could live with the Yoda comments if they'd actually put Liam Neeson in the damned movie. Obi-Wan looks like a moron the way he responds to him, when the logical response would be, "Yoda, you done flipped your lid."

Lord Malakite
10-31-2012, 05:46 PM
Now this is how you can tell the Disney purchase of Lucasfilm and Star Wars is a big deal. Just heard that Disney plans on taking Walt out of the vault and unfreezing him for the premiere of Episode VII.

Tycho
11-01-2012, 02:04 AM
The issue with negating all the post ROTJ Exp. Univ. is that stuff - the sale of the reprinted books like Heir to the Empire which might still sell alright for a 20 year old book, since newbies keep becoming fans and may not have even been able to read when they first did so - makes money for the franchise.

Who would buy HTTE any more (what new fan who's old enough to read at last)? - when it's all negated by new movies?

Here are some options that leave the EU intact:

1) RE-CAST the original characters and do some movies when the twins are still in their 20's and Han in his early 30's.

2) Do adventures between the books, in a story-arc, with Harrison, Mark, and Carrie and create the new generation of Star Wars age heroes with Jacen, Jaina, Anakin S. and Ben Skywalker, Alanah Solo, etc.

3) Use the EU timeline where there is a deliberate gap:

1. Anakin + Padme = Luke and Leia

2. Leia + Han = Jaina, Jacen, and Anakin / / Luke + Mara = Ben

3. Jacen + Tenel Ka = Allanah Solo // Jaina + Jagged Fel = "T Fel" - (an heir to the Imperial Throne, too) // Ben + ? = "U Skywalker"

4. Allanah Solo + ? = "V" // "T Fel "+ ?= "W Fel" // "U Skywalker" + ? = X Skywalker

5."V" +? ="Y" // "W Fel" + ? = Roan Fel // "X Skywalker" + ? = Cole Skywalker and "Uncle Bantha"

6. "Y" + ? = "Z" // Roan Fel + ? = Marsiah Fel // Cole Skywalker + Morrigan Corrde = Cade Skywalker

Anywhere I substitued a variable from T-Z is a gap for a character's story to be told.

Anywhere up to No. 4 above, Harrison, Carrie, and Mark could appear to meet and teach their grand children. If rumors of Luke having a padawan are true, it might be Cole Skywalker's father (Cade's grandfather). He's never been named but has to exist in order for Cade to. So why the gap? It could have been intentional.

If they want a girl Jedi lead, like Ahsoka is to Clone Wars, there's Allanah Solo. (Jacen would be dead by that point, and Han and Leia would be raising their grand-daughter). Allanah would be the Star Wars hero age (around 20) with taking into account Mark, Harrison, and Carrie's current age. Well, maybe Allanah would be a teenager.

The Fels and Skywalkers of this generation are totally unnamed and have never been represented. There are still stormtroopers and an Imperial Remnant the Fels somehow gain control over. The Fel's are Imperial Knights too - Royal Guard styled warriors that can use the Force and carry lightsabers.

Anyway, a story done here would work, keept the EU and employ the original actors in roles they could work for.

Darth Metalmute
11-01-2012, 09:44 PM
So apparently, Lucas had/wrote 12 movies in all. I had always heard 9, but 12? At least the next trilogy will focus on Luke, Leia, and Han for continually.

Mr. JabbaJohnL
11-01-2012, 10:46 PM
So apparently, Lucas had/wrote 12 movies in all. I had always heard 9, but 12? At least the next trilogy will focus on Luke, Leia, and Han for continually.

J.W. Rinzler wrote an interesting blog entry (http://starwarsblog.starwars.com/index.php/2012/10/30/the-long-winding-and-shapeshifting-trail-to-episodes-vii-viii-ix/) about Lucas' ever-changing stance on the number of films, charting the history of what he said and when.

El Chuxter
11-02-2012, 12:31 AM
He's always planned 42. It's his homage to the late Douglas Adams.

bigbarada
11-02-2012, 10:52 AM
The issue with negating all the post ROTJ Exp. Univ. is that stuff - the sale of the reprinted books like Heir to the Empire which might still sell alright for a 20 year old book, since newbies keep becoming fans and may not have even been able to read when they first did so - makes money for the franchise.

Who would buy HTTE any more (what new fan who's old enough to read at last)? - when it's all negated by new movies?


However, people who already own the HTTE comics aren't going to buy reprints. So, if they negate the entire story and replace it with something else, then why care about who will be buying a 24-year-old comic book, when EVERYBODY is going to be buying the new story (including those who already own HTTE)?

But, I really don't think potential trade paperback sales are going to factor into their plans for these films.

bigbarada
11-02-2012, 10:56 AM
J.W. Rinzler wrote an interesting blog entry (http://starwarsblog.starwars.com/index.php/2012/10/30/the-long-winding-and-shapeshifting-trail-to-episodes-vii-viii-ix/) about Lucas' ever-changing stance on the number of films, charting the history of what he said and when.

I always remember an article about 4 trilogies that was published just after ESB premiered. There was what would come to be known as the OT, then the Prequel trilogy, a sequel trilogy and a 4th trilogy that ran concurrently alongside the OT. The concurrent trilogy was supposed to feature the "other" that Yoda spoke of in ESB, and Lucas made it a point to mention that this "other" was someone we hadn't seen yet. So that negates the idea of Leia being planned as Luke's sister prior to the early rewrites of ROTJ.

Tycho
11-02-2012, 11:38 AM
BigBarada makes great points above. ^

Star Wars is unfortunately retconned too much already. Boba Fett wore Wookiee braids from kills he scalped, originally (although I don't think Lucas said that specifically, it came out of the early EU (and you can count action figure bio's as part of the EU too, thank you Kenner.)

It is way cooler that Jedi padawans wear braids, and the braids Boba wears are from his takings from Jedi learners he's killed. That's cool and more impressive than Wookiee kills.

Now Boba needs a reason for why he hunts Jedi? "Because he's good at it so he's hired for it" - like a professional assassin would suffice, but no, it's revenge motivated because....wait for it....Lucas created Jango Fett - the donor source for all the Clone Troopers.

Now couldn't a Jedi (Mace or somebody) have just accidentally - or in the line of duty - killed his father AND REAL MOTHER? Wouldn't that suffice, too?

No - we add a new armor guy and build up the Mandalorian (at least the initital armor style of the Phase I clones) to returning to the unbeknownst to them, perhaps, service to the Sith Lords (which ties to the Expanded Universe because when Ulic Qel Droma became Dark Lord (apprentice to Exar Kun), he conquered the Mandalorians and now, the Sith make use of them one way or another (Dooku and Death Watch, not to mention the Clones and Sidious (as Palpatine) commanding them.)

So enter the new character of Jango Fett. Altogether this was cool and in the movies, we saw Jango do more than Boba Fett ever did (on screen).

Was it all because fans somewhere got a Fett fetish since 1980? I never subscribed to that whole-heartedly since it's my nature to be a contrary - that is if everyone already likes something - to go find something else to like instead (I liked Wedge before it was cool.)

So yes, there are 22 James Bond films, not counting the one coming out this month, so tomorrow Lucus will say, "I always meant for there to be 30 episodes - those are what constitute my 3 trilogies" (or 40 episodes and 4 trilogies).

And wait for it - and "Ever since Shai LeBouf was born, I conceived of Indiana Jones just being a prequel to The Adventures of Mutt Williams."

Plus, "Howard the Duck" was only a prequel to a story I'd conceived about the first unicorn drafted to play professional football."

El Chuxter
11-02-2012, 12:01 PM
The concurrent trilogy was supposed to feature the "other" that Yoda spoke of in ESB, and Lucas made it a point to mention that this "other" was someone we hadn't seen yet. So that negates the idea of Leia being planned as Luke's sister prior to the early rewrites of ROTJ.
Galen Marek, mayhap?

It could also be cool, if they keep the Zahn books, to have the "concurrent" trilogy be the story of Mara Jade, from birth or childhood up through the end of The Last Command. That could be a really cool story of redemption, if done right.

JediTricks
11-02-2012, 05:10 PM
That's not 100% clear, though. We see Vader close his eyes, and, the next time we see him, he's on the pyre with the mask back on. It's not established in the originals how much Anakin physically remains, only that he's more machine than man.Well, in TPM we don't actually know Qui-Gon is dead yet either, he could just be unconscious laying on that floor. He obviously was surprised by the saber to the gut, and didn't actively give himself over to the Force the way Obi-Wan and Yoda did.


I could live with the Yoda comments if they'd actually put Liam Neeson in the damned movie. Obi-Wan looks like a moron the way he responds to him, when the logical response would be, "Yoda, you done flipped your lid."Putting Neeson into the movie would have been better, but the whole "oh, look, now we learn a new trick and it's the most important one and it comes just as we need it most right after 99.9999% of our kind got slaughtered and could really have used that knowledge" thing just sucks entirely, it's extremely lame.



Now this is how you can tell the Disney purchase of Lucasfilm and Star Wars is a big deal. Just heard that Disney plans on taking Walt out of the vault and unfreezing him for the premiere of Episode VII.Cute.



J.W. Rinzler wrote an interesting blog entry (http://starwarsblog.starwars.com/index.php/2012/10/30/the-long-winding-and-shapeshifting-trail-to-episodes-vii-viii-ix/) about Lucas' ever-changing stance on the number of films, charting the history of what he said and when.I remember that image in the Making of SW book, and it impressed me with how empty it was, basically just "here's where the important thing happens and here's the times where nothing good happened but maybe we can fill in the blanks later". Rinzler overstates the importance of those "episodes" in that blog, and doesn't mention the way he does in his book how Lucas threw a lot of those ideas out over and over, and that these were so early that the prequel had Vader, Obi-Wan, AND Anakin Skywalker as the 3 main guys, and that Luke's sibling who was NOT Leia was the focus of the sequels, and on and on like that. After reading Making of SW, I've always wondered how he was able to throw out so many bad ideas from his first 2 drafts of ANH and start over with better focus, seems like this is how, just constantly going back and making everything fluid to fit a better cinematic vision.



I always remember an article about 4 trilogies that was published just after ESB premiered. There was what would come to be known as the OT, then the Prequel trilogy, a sequel trilogy and a 4th trilogy that ran concurrently alongside the OT. The concurrent trilogy was supposed to feature the "other" that Yoda spoke of in ESB, and Lucas made it a point to mention that this "other" was someone we hadn't seen yet. So that negates the idea of Leia being planned as Luke's sister prior to the early rewrites of ROTJ.Reading Making of ESB confirms that Leia wasn't Luke's sister but that he had an older sister and she was an idea for the other, also that Vader wasn't Luke's father until partway into writing ESB.

Bel-Cam Jos
11-03-2012, 10:35 AM
He's always planned 42. It's his homage to the late Douglas Adams.Nope. There'll be 1,138 movies, as an homage to his own homage to James Joyce's homage to the number 1134.

Rinzler's "Making Of..." books have been interesting in his archiving of the whens and whats of Lucas' film developments. I eagerly await the ROJ one.

Tycho
11-04-2012, 01:15 AM
Jim Joyce, the umpire in major league baseball?

He's made more than 1,134 bad calls.

Just ask around the league. ;)

bigbarada
11-06-2012, 03:09 PM
Now the rumor is that Disney might be buying Hasbro.

If that's true, then what could Disney possibly buy next? The color red? The English language?

Tycho
11-06-2012, 05:11 PM
I just realized that I could make some money from this.

Remember, I created DARTH MOUSE!

I would be inclined to settle if at least his new carded action figure had a unique smell I could inhale over and over again.

But I'm known to be particularly scrutinizing when it comes to demanding a positive olfactory experience!

And Darth Mouse is a droid, not a rodent. However, it would be funny if he was re-imagined as a Ranat with Sith tattoo-colored fur, I suppose......Nah!

Bel-Cam Jos
11-06-2012, 07:25 PM
Now the rumor is that Disney might be buying Hasbro.

If that's true, then what could Disney possibly buy next? The color red? The English language?They'll buy the SEC and own college football.

Tycho
11-07-2012, 06:33 PM
Hasbro could make action figures of the Little Mouseketeers, and then we can pretend they grow up, become drug addicts and teenage parents, and not wear panties under their skirts while they get DUIs.

Accessories could include breathalizer tests and class 2 vehicles would include police cars, plus at Christmas time we'll get a Detox playset!

Mr. JabbaJohnL
11-09-2012, 03:42 PM
Zack Snyder and Quentin Tarantino have, thankfully, both denied being interested in directing the new films. I find both directors to have their heads too far up their own butts and too concerned with slick style to be good fits for the series, so I'm very glad for this.

Steven Spielberg has also said he doesn't want to do it. It would have been interesting to see his take on it, but Spielberg isn't exactly in the "new generation of filmmakers" that George described wanting to work on the films.

El Chuxter
11-09-2012, 05:14 PM
I dunno. I'm imagining a bounty hunter-based movie by Tarantino, and it could totally work.

Mr. JabbaJohnL
11-09-2012, 06:16 PM
I dunno. I'm imagining a bounty hunter-based movie by Tarantino, and it could totally work.

Damn. You were THIS close to making a "Jango Unchained" joke. Better luck next time.

:p

Darth Metalmute
11-09-2012, 06:44 PM
Michael Arndt is apparently writing the script.

The good news with Disney taking over is that when Lucas says, " I think Anakin should say Yippee." Disney will reply, "George, I don't think Yippee is a good word. We have multiple theme parks and have yet to hear a child user that word."

Mr. JabbaJohnL
11-09-2012, 09:07 PM
Yup, Michael Arndt was just confirmed (http://starwars.com/news/michael-arndt-to-write-screenplay-for-star-wars-episode-vii.html) as the writer for Episode VII! He's an Oscar-winning writer (who has written some great stuff) and a Star Wars expert. Very cool.

Tycho
11-10-2012, 01:14 AM
I hope they get Michael Bay as the director. Seriously. I really would like to work with him on my own stories.

bigbarada
11-10-2012, 12:05 PM
I might actually boycott the movie if they picked Michael Bay to direct it. Besides isn't he busy with Transformers 4?

I hope they pick a relative unknown who is talented, but is not going to require a big chunk of the film's budget just to pay his salary.

Mr. JabbaJohnL
11-10-2012, 01:38 PM
I seriously doubt they would pick Michael Bay - and yes, he is working on Transformers 4, which is coming out in 2014.

Tycho
11-10-2012, 01:52 PM
In a Francis Ford-Coppola Star Wars movie, Jagged Fel is trying to hide from his fiance, Jaina Solo, the fact that his father Soontir Fel still runs the family (Empire) business.

When an assasination attempt on Soontir Fel by the Yuuzhan Vong fails, Jagged steps up to take control of the family business.

He cuts off a vornskr's head and Supreme Overlord Shimrra wakes up with its head in his bed.

Anyway, this sends a message to the Yuuzhan Vong.

But Emperor Soontir Fel has a heart-attack and dies alone, falling in his spice garden (and gets eaten by the spiders).

So Jagged orders fly-by shootings of Vong ships by TIE Fighters and the war goes on.

Jaina marries him but later feels it's a mistake, but they have a child now, and Jagged wants their son to grow up to be a powerful Emperor like his dad. Plus the son will have The Force, thanks to his mom.

But these other guys in the Emperor's inner circle want to make trade deals with the Vong and Fel resists that temptation for dangerously made profits.

So a hit is set up and this inadvertently positions Jaina Fel to take over and lead the Empire until her son is old enough to assume the Imperial throne.

Sad Italian music is played throughout this piece - indeed composed by John Williams though.

El Chuxter
11-10-2012, 02:03 PM
I've heard Brad Bird's name tossed around.

I would poop out rainbow-colored bricks of happiness if this comes to pass.

Bel-Cam Jos
11-10-2012, 07:06 PM
Sad Italian music is played throughout this piece - indeed composed by John Williams though.Take the fiction out; leave the conundrum. :rolleyes:

I wonder, WILL John Williams compose for the DT (Disney Trilogy)? :( I really hope so, but I have to wonder, considering age and time.

JediTricks
11-12-2012, 03:43 PM
Yup, Michael Arndt was just confirmed (http://starwars.com/news/michael-arndt-to-write-screenplay-for-star-wars-episode-vii.html) as the writer for Episode VII! He's an Oscar-winning writer (who has written some great stuff) and a Star Wars expert. Very cool.He has barely written anything that's been seen, he wrote Little Miss Sunshine (I have no comment as I haven't seen it) and then the screenplay to Toy Story 3 which was flat and lacking in nuance and emotion, and nothing else that's hit the screen yet. He's slated to be the writer on the next Hunger Games movie, the Phineas & Ferb movie, and an untitled Pixar movie, and he's one of many writers on a sci-fi film coming next year. But he has virtually nothing under his belt, I'm surprised they're giving him such an important task.



I've heard Brad Bird's name tossed around.

I would poop out rainbow-colored bricks of happiness if this comes to pass.Brad Bird's only directed 1 live action film - Mission Impossible Ghost Protocol - but he did a surprisingly good job with it after the mediocrity of the 3rd film (the JJ Abrams-directed one) that was making up for the utter disastrous quality of the 2nd film (the John Woo-directed one).

El Chuxter
11-12-2012, 09:36 PM
Brad Bird directed The Iron Giant and The Incredibles. Those two movies alone tell me he would be able to direct the hell out of Star Wars.

Tycho
11-13-2012, 12:29 PM
Michael Mann or Nicholas Meyer? Stuart Baird?

Mr. JabbaJohnL
11-16-2012, 01:52 PM
Someone wrote in to TheForce.net (http://theforce.net/latestnews/story/Fisher_Confirms_Her_Involvement_In_The_Sequel_Tril ogy_148915.asp), saying this:

"I was at Carrie Fishers booksigning in Cherry Hill, NJ on November 15, and the interview she did started with the question 'Are you really going to be in a new star wars movie?' and Carrie answered quietly 'Yes....I thought it was already common knowledge.' She did not elaborate, as she probably doesn't want to crow too loudly at this point in the project development. But this is the first confirmation from one of the main OT Cast. LFL has not said the cast would return yet."
Who knows if this story is any good, or if Carrie is 100% confirmed . . . still, very cool!

JediTricks
11-16-2012, 02:03 PM
Brad Bird directed The Iron Giant and The Incredibles. Those two movies alone tell me he would be able to direct the hell out of Star Wars.Directing animation is nothing like directing live-action, they are entirely different processes and talents.

Also, I still believe The Incredibles is overrated. It was Pixar's first "simple" movie, has less emotional impact than any prior, and borrows from better sources for its sendups.



Someone wrote in to TheForce.net (http://theforce.net/latestnews/story/Fisher_Confirms_Her_Involvement_In_The_Sequel_Tril ogy_148915.asp), saying this:

Who knows if this story is any good, or if Carrie is 100% confirmed . . . still, very cool!That is seriously wild.

Mr. JabbaJohnL
11-21-2012, 11:16 AM
The Hollywood Reporter (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/star-wars-lawrence-kasdan-simon-393459) is saying that Lawrence Kasdan and Simon Kinberg have closed deals to write and/or produce Episode VIII and/or IX. Kasdan, of course, wrote the scripts for ESB, ROTJ, and Raiders of the Lost Ark, while Kinberg has written and produced a number of things that I haven't seen but range from well-regarded to eh, not so much. I thought we were barely into speculating about Episode VII, but already it's time to move on to VIII and IX, I guess. :p

Tycho
11-21-2012, 12:49 PM
I wonder if these individuals rest on their accolaydes or are still in touch with audiences.

Actually, I wonder how someone like Kurt Sutter (Sons of Anarchy) or Shawn Ryan (The Shield), or Vince Gilligan (Breaking Bad) would do writing Star Wars? It's easier for a writer to break down the "almost R-Rated stuff" to a PG-13 level, than the reverse for a timid Star Trek TNG writer to write a story with passionately vengeful, driven characters who want to fight for something, altruistic or self-serving, with some kind of amazing drive.

Star Trek brings up Deep Space Nine and Ira Steven Behr for a really talented, good Sci-Fi writer.

Along those lines, I don't see the problem with hiring (not for the screenplay, but rather the story) some of the great Star Wars authors like James Luceno, Timothy Zhan, or Michael Stackpole - and for that matter A.C. Crispin or Jude Watson.

And finally, him actually being an awesome choice, there's Christopher Nolan, or his brother, who conceived how the new Batman story "Begins" (pun-intended for certain), if we are so short-sighted that we have to have an established "Hollywood name" at the helm. Just to say that "Joe who collects bottles in a shopping cart" wouldn't have a good idea if he didn't have anything else.

Of course, I want the Expanded Universe to be left intact, but there is a lot of room to write around the EU already in place, especially where Jaina Solo is around 30, (Jacen and Anakin are KIA), and Ben Skywalker is in his mid or early 20's, and Alanah Solo is pre-teen but certainly able to age into a mid-to-late-teenager during the next 3 films, as Ahsoka has done in the Clone Wars, making a "Hunger Games - Katniss character" out of Alanah Solo, and an Angolina Jolie character out of Jaina Solo, with a Harry Potter apprentice type for Ben Skywalker, and Harrison, Carrie, and Mark to train them all in the Han, Leia, and Luke roles.

Your other option is to re-cast Han, Leia, and Luke with other actors, and Carrie sitting in a rocking chair (hover chair) saying "I remember when..." and flashback to Angolina Jolie playing Leia in her 30's. Then Harrison (in his 60's) flashing back to Ryan Hayden Church playing Solo in his 40's....etc.

It would be logical that Han and Leia married and had children. "Super-Shadow" (for whatever he's worth) said Anakin Solo will be in the movie. *Sigh* He was a great character in the NJO books, but when he was killed, his mother (Leia) was in her 40's, and Sarah Palin would need to play Leia, because Carrie couldn't do it.

OR - actually have Anakin Solo and retcon NJO so he wasn't killed by the Yuuzhan Vong.

It's not quite as bad as having Grand Admiral Thrawn in the movie if only to become a back-up dancer for the Max Rebo Band.

El Chuxter
11-21-2012, 01:18 PM
Jacen Solo and Mara Jade never died. Stop talking silliness, Tycho.

Darth Metalmute
11-21-2012, 06:53 PM
Han and Leia's kids might not even be named Anakin, Jacen, and Jaina. I wouldn't put it past Lucas.

However, if they slap everyone in the face like that, there might be enough outrage to get it changed.

Tycho
11-23-2012, 01:48 AM
Yes Darth Metalmute, I think there might be an outrage.

Jacen and Jaina Solo, as well as Luke's eventual love interest Mara Jade, were created by "not just any author," but Timothy Zhan in HTTE and the 1991 rebirth of Star Wars after the dark times.

He named the capitol world Coruscant and that stayed for the movies as well.

Also Jacen and Jaina Solo are cool sounding names.

Harvey and Esmerelda Solo are probably not, to most people anyway.

Han and Leia would likely have kids, especially if Harrison and Carrie are reprising their roles as a married couple. (Though there would be a role for a domestic counselor in these pictures with this couple, wouldn't there?)

Anakin Solo was created for Dark Horse comics - and killed off first, since Lucas didn't want books with "an Anakin" out at the same time in PT and OT eras.

Leia named Anakin after her real father as a statement of finally forgiving him and announcing her hope that her son would redeem the name (even if the last name was Solo instead of Skywalker). While that makes sense and the youngest brother was an awesome character in the books (especially the Force Heretic series), having a whole Solo clan running around isn't necessary for a tight story.

And if Han is about 70 and Leia about 60, and she had kids in her later 20's like many do, the kids would now be in their 30's or late 20's.

Luke is supposed to be training a padawan in this movie series according to what George Lucas said. Luke is now surpassing Obi-Wan, who lost his apprentice to the Dark Side. (So hopefully there won't be a repeat of Luke losing his under-study to black armor fashion since it's been done before.)

Luke's apprentices included a whole mix of Force-sensitives,

but Jacen Solo and later Ben Skywalker, seemed to be the ones who followed him most closely.

Mara Jade trained Jaina Solo later on.

Now Ben Skywalker could be 15 years younger than any living member of the Solo Twins.

It could be like Qui-Gon, Obi-Wan and Anakin Skywalker in TPM for the first movie, but for the ages of:

LUKE, JAINA, and BEN SKYWALKER.

But I think they'll all have to be a little older than 60, 24, and 9 respectively, and more like 59, 32, and 17 exactly.

So no, Ben Skywalker will not be a little kid saying "Wizards!"

I think this age range works:

Han - 69
Luke - 59
Jaina - 32
Ben - 17

If Alanah Solo is in this, she'd be what, about 8? Jaina's going to have to apprentice her since her folks could be getting too old to take care of a pre-teen grand-daughter.

Mr. JabbaJohnL
11-27-2012, 10:20 PM
ComicBookMovie (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/GraphicCity/news/?a=70573) posted a very interesting video with actor Jason Flemyng, who frequently works with Matthew Vaughn. The talk turns to Star Wars at 1:10, where the reporter asks him about having spoken to Vaughn about Star Wars and he says, "Me and Matt have done nine films together so I'm sure I'll get the call for Star Wars..." When they ask if Vaughn is interested, he gives an "oops" expression and plays up that Vaughn is interested in the deal, but clearly his manner indicates that Matthew Vaughn is at the very least being seriously considered if not already chosen. I'll probably watch X-Men: First Class this weekend thanks to HBO, but I've only heard good things about it, so this could be very cool. (I thought Kick-*** was good but I had issues with the story, which obviously is not Vaughn's fault.)

The reason for him backing out of directing X-Men: Days of Future Past was so that he could work on a project of his own, which seemed to end the speculation of him being the director, but this makes it sound very possible.


He has barely written anything that's been seen, he wrote Little Miss Sunshine (I have no comment as I haven't seen it) and then the screenplay to Toy Story 3 which was flat and lacking in nuance and emotion, and nothing else that's hit the screen yet. He's slated to be the writer on the next Hunger Games movie, the Phineas & Ferb movie, and an untitled Pixar movie, and he's one of many writers on a sci-fi film coming next year. But he has virtually nothing under his belt, I'm surprised they're giving him such an important task.
You didn't like the script for Toy Story 3? You're one of the few; I imagine Armond White will be pleased to hear he's not alone after all. :p They probably looked into the scripts that he's completed already, but remember that Kasdan had hardly written anything when he did ESB and Lucas wants to pass it on to a new generation of filmmakers.


Han and Leia's kids might not even be named Anakin, Jacen, and Jaina. I wouldn't put it past Lucas.

However, if they slap everyone in the face like that, there might be enough outrage to get it changed.
Get used to the fact that the movies aren't going to follow the EU at all. If they do take elements from the novels or comics as The Clone Wars does, it can be a pleasant surprise for you, but it's probably not going to happen.

El Chuxter
11-27-2012, 10:27 PM
Until Legacy, I was one of the biggest proponents of the EU.

Now, I think it's time to retire most of it. It can remain in a sort of "pre-Crisis" type of alternate universe, but it leaves no room for new movies.

As long as they can shoehorn Mara Jade in somehow (preferably played by Kelly MacDonald), I'll be happy. :D

Tycho
11-28-2012, 01:29 AM
Chux, She looks alright as Mara Jade Skywalker.

JabbaJohn, I reserve the right to complain about every contradiction to my precious Expanded Universe.

Just out of curiousity, how would you feel in the event that they kept with it - and with the current OT cast age, had Jacen and Anakin DEAD (er..not in the movie) and Jaina Solo and niece Alanah Solo, with cousin Ben Skywalker as Luke and Mara's son and apprentice - and maybe we saw some Yuuzhan Vong brought to life on the screen - kind of creepy with living creatures all over them, like Davey Jones in POTC2?

The living things on the Vong would be their armor though - Vondom Crab armor - whatever that is. I think you step on a creature and it vacuforms around your foot and shin to form your armored shin gauntlet and boot.

Other stuff is like a thin blob you don, and another parasitic creature forms your chest armor while it feeds off the blob.

The cod piece is....well really painful but the Vong are into that....

And they cut off their face parts etc, so it will also kind of look like The Walking Dead meets Star Wars. Jaina will use her lightsaber like Michonne uses her sword.

Darth Metalmute
11-30-2012, 10:00 PM
Get used to the fact that the movies aren't going to follow the EU at all. If they do take elements from the novels or comics as The Clone Wars does, it can be a pleasant surprise for you, but it's probably not going to happen.

There's always an alternative to the "get used to it" philosophy. You don't have to accept what has been presented before you, you can always just ignore the sequel trilogies existence. I know a lot of people who have done just that to the prequel trilogy.

That being said, if anyone would implement the current EU into the new trilogies, it would be Disney.


Until Legacy, I was one of the biggest proponents of the EU.

Now, I think it's time to retire most of it. It can remain in a sort of "pre-Crisis" type of alternate universe, but it leaves no room for new movies.

As long as they can shoehorn Mara Jade in somehow (preferably played by Kelly MacDonald), I'll be happy. :D

I'm okay with them changing the EU storyline, you pretty much have to unless the new trilogy is the Thrawn trilogy. However, it's the simple, easy things that would tick me off. Like if they named Solo's children Edward and Bella instead of Jaina and Jacen. To them, the names of the children mean nothing. To us however, they possibly mean the world.

QLD
12-02-2012, 06:15 PM
I wanted to make a cameo to say how excited I am about this news, and how it has re-invigorated my love of the Star Wars movies after the prequels left me deflated and jaded.

Bel-Cam Jos
12-02-2012, 06:51 PM
Welcome back, QLD! Bringing back the fans is the TRUE Disney magic.

I agree with Chuxter's "Crisis" metaphor. The EU stories do exist, as well as the readers' memories of them, but they can be replaced by a new "universe" if the films are strong stories.

Tycho
12-03-2012, 12:39 AM
I'm okay with them changing the EU storyline, you pretty much have to unless the new trilogy is the Thrawn trilogy.

The Thrawn Trilogy is impossible to do with

Mark - whereas Luke would have to be 28 years old
Carrie - whereas Leia would have to be 28 years old too
Harrison - where Han would be 38.

Both actors playing the Skywalker twins are in their 60's and 50's respectively.

Harrison is close to 70!

Most people do not want to see the OT characters re-cast.

And if they do the movie flashback style with old and young actors both playing the roles, it would be the very first time Star Wars ever does that.

Every SW movie takes place within about a week of the lives of the characters.

If they lasted any longer, they'd have had to cast at least several more actors to keep up with Lando's girlfriends!

Lord Malakite
12-03-2012, 02:22 PM
The Thrawn Trilogy is impossible to do with

Mark - whereas Luke would have to be 28 years old
Carrie - whereas Leia would have to be 28 years old too
Harrison - where Han would be 38.

Both actors playing the Skywalker twins are in their 60's and 50's respectively.

Harrison is close to 70!

Age hasn't stopped Disney in the past. If they really, really wanted to go that route with Star Wars I could easily see them trying to pull another "Tron: Legacy" on us.

El Chuxter
12-03-2012, 04:01 PM
I read they re-cast Jack Huston as Han. But when they started filming, he killed the entire Empire in five minutes and they decided that would be too short a movie.

Tycho
12-03-2012, 08:10 PM
I could see Thomas Haden Church as Han Solo.

In Broken Trail, there was another actor playing an ally he had scenes with that reminded me of Han and Luke fighting together again.

How westerns play is a good indicator for how well Star Wars actors would do in the OT era since it's a space western.

The PT era focused more on a medieval knight era with the eager upstart apprentices (as even Obi-Wan was reckless when he charged Darth Maul after Qui-Gon was slain).

QLD
12-03-2012, 10:23 PM
I loved most of the EU stories, but I accept that to tread new ground in the movies, that they will have to mostly bulldoze what was done there. I am ok with that. Though I would be surprised if they didn't at least borrow from it.

As far as recasting, I am ok with that too. Could they get away with using some of them, i think so. Or just cast the originals at their current age and work the story around that. Honestly, either way, I'm ok with it, as long as it is GOOD.

Mr. JabbaJohnL
01-14-2013, 03:05 PM
Vulture is reporting (http://www.vulture.com/2013/01/zack-snyder-preps-non-trilogy-star-wars-film.html) that Zack Snyder is developing a Star Wars film based on Seven Samurai, presumably outside the new trilogy as one of the many movies planned. I'm not big on Snyder's fast-mo/slow-mo shots and general over-stylization, and they did a sort of spin on Seven Samurai in The Clone Wars episode "Bounty Hunters," but if done well this could be pretty cool (if it turns out to be true at all).

El Chuxter
01-14-2013, 03:27 PM
It must involve Jaxxon.

Mr. JabbaJohnL
01-14-2013, 06:25 PM
Now he's denying it. (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/zack-snyder-shoots-down-report-412336) Oh, Internet! You so crazy!

JediTricks
01-15-2013, 09:58 PM
That one just felt so much like an internet rumor given life that I suspected it couldn't be true.

Mr. JabbaJohnL
01-24-2013, 05:14 PM
The Next Big Rumor is that JJ Abrams is directing (http://www.thewrap.com/movies/article/jj-abrams-set-direct-next-star-wars-film-exclusive-74596), despite saying he wasn't going to. TheWrap, where the rumor originates, is of dubious credibility and lists their source as "an individual with knowledge of the production." I've already seen about 87 billion lightsaber lens flare jokes, but let's hold off on any more until LFL confirms, shall we?

El Chuxter
01-24-2013, 05:17 PM
I can't wait to see the lens flares on the lightsabers!

Oh, I totally missed the last sentence of your post. :)

(Can I make jokes about lens flares on Stormtrooper crotches?)

El Chuxter
01-24-2013, 05:26 PM
Kidding aside, if this is just rumor, a lot of sites are going to look stupid. I'm seeing "CONFIRMED!!" an awful lot on the interwebz right now. However, none of the stories indicate that the writers know what the word means.

JediTricks
01-24-2013, 05:53 PM
"J.J. Abrams Set to Ruin Next 'Star Wars' Film " - there, fixed it.

Lord Malakite
01-24-2013, 06:32 PM
I can't wait to see the lens flares on the lightsabers!
That's nothing. Wait till you see the lens flares on C-3PO. It'll put the Griswold house during Christmas time to shame.

Mr. JabbaJohnL
01-24-2013, 06:37 PM
"J.J. Abrams Set to Ruin Next 'Star Wars' Film " - there, fixed it.
I haven't seen his Star Trek, but weren't your issues with it mostly due to the script (written by those hack turds Kurtzman and Orci)?

JediTricks
01-24-2013, 07:20 PM
I haven't seen his Star Trek, but weren't your issues with it mostly due to the script (written by those hack turds Kurtzman and Orci)?No, while the script is horribly thin and woefully derivative of Star Wars, the movie is also ineptly acted and directed IMO, and Abrams wasn't just director, he was the driving vision behind the film, he inspired the wonky set design and cinematography, approved the awful look of the JJA Enterprise, and demanded MORE LENS FLARES. I kid you not.

figrin bran
01-24-2013, 09:57 PM
Please don't let it be Cloverfield in Space!

JediTricks
01-24-2013, 10:03 PM
Please don't let it be Super 8 in space!

Please don't let it be Alias seasons 3 through 5 in space!

Please don't let it be Regarding Henry in space!

This is fun. There's a ton of JJ Abrams hacky garbage that could fit here.

Please don't let it be Star Trek in space! ... oh. :(

bigbarada
01-24-2013, 11:11 PM
and demanded MORE LENS FLARES. I kid you not.

I think lens flares are the new "night" for special effects films. It used to be that filmmakers preferred to shoot special effects heavy sequences at night to help cover up the flaws in the effects. Now they can just do that with computer generated lens flares.

One thing I really dislike about Abrams is his design sense. I really was not a fan of the 2009 Enterprise redesign (even though I liked the overall movie) and the aliens designed for his films just feel like random collections of limbs and mouths. So I'm just hoping that we don't get aliens that looks like they belong in Cloverfield or Super 8, instead of Star Wars.

JediTricks
01-25-2013, 05:20 PM
I think Abrams wanted lens flares to feel stylistically like a real thing, but flashier too. There certainly was no need to cover up anything in shots of people running around those black and white hallways, after all, yet they actually added more lens flares to those shots too.

Totally agree with the design sense thing, the aliens and creatures in New Coke Trek really are just out to lunch things - the little green guy who pals around with Scotty and has eyes that are sticks in sockets and he looks all rocky, what the hell was that?!? And don't get me started on their "hot rod" Enterprise, that has to be the cruelest joke ever played on a Trekkie like me.

mtriv73
01-26-2013, 08:00 AM
I liked the new Star Trek film a lot more than I liked episodes I and II so I'm willing to give him a shot. If the story and maybe some actual decent dialogue, which would be rare in Star Wars films, are there, then I have high hopes.

LTBasker
01-26-2013, 03:27 PM
I think Abrams wanted lens flares to feel stylistically like a real thing, but flashier too. There certainly was no need to cover up anything in shots of people running around those black and white hallways, after all, yet they actually added more lens flares to those shots too.

It was to show what a bright future we could have despite a whole planet being destroyed, tons of Starfleet personnel being killed and starships destroyed, and the flagship of the fleet being run by a bunch of slapstick cadets.

http://io9.com/5230278/jj-abrams-admits-star-trek-lens-flares-are-ridiculous

I keep hoping for an announcement that he won't be touching Star Wars. But, I also kept hoping for an announcement that the Star Trek sequel would be canceled, so...

JediTricks
01-27-2013, 03:07 AM
Ugh, it's confirmed that he's doing this.

Honestly, Hollywood is so dumb about these things, he's the golden boy because he does moderately well at box office, but really looking at his track record is nothing to crow about: Forever Young, Regarding Henry, Felicity, Alias (which was good for 2 seasons and ruined for 3 more), Mission Impossible 3 (well, it was better than MI2 but that's not saying much), Cloverfield, he has a lot of middling TV-esque stuff in his portfolio.

Bel-Cam Jos
01-27-2013, 10:17 AM
I notice you left off a film where a future starship captain hides under a green-skinned alien's bed to peep at a woman undressing, JT.

LTBasker
01-27-2013, 02:40 PM
Here's my biggest problem with this... Abrams constantly says that he directed Star Trek as though he was making a Star Wars movie. Thing is, the best Star Wars movie I can think to compare it to is The Phantom Menace... Pike was Qui-Gon, Spock was Obi-Wan and Kirk was Jar-Jar.

JediTricks
01-27-2013, 07:25 PM
I notice you left off a film where a future starship captain hides under a green-skinned alien's bed to peep at a woman undressing, JT.No, that was the crux of my argument in previous posts, it felt redundant to bring it up again.


Here's my biggest problem with this... Abrams constantly says that he directed Star Trek as though he was making a Star Wars movie. Thing is, the best Star Wars movie I can think to compare it to is The Phantom Menace... Pike was Qui-Gon, Spock was Obi-Wan and Kirk was Jar-Jar.Ha, awesome! The swollen tongue and hands on FakeKirk were pretty Jar Jar-esque.

Abrams claiming his New Coke Trek was meant to be a SW film is laughable, and worrisome for this new SW movie. Look at the insane camera angles and movements, it's got a loud "voice" from all the over-the-top style and motion, the camerawork IMO is screaming "look at me, I'm telling a story via style!!!". Star Wars camerawork is sedate, it's never jammed up a character's nose too close or screaming around corners at wild angles, it's never in the way of the story, it's merely documenting it so the audience can take it all in. When in Star Wars you get crazy camera moves that aren't believable, like some of the stuff in the Geonosian droid factory, it takes the audience out of the movie.

Tycho
01-29-2013, 03:03 AM
I liked Kirk's swollen tongue. I laughed out loud and thought I was really enjoying a sense of humor in this movie, interspersed with genocide and other things I appreciate.

Kirk hiding under the Orion girl's bed while he watched Uhura strip was awesome! I know he was partially doing that to get the Orion chick's help to cheat on the Kobiyashi Maru test, but if I was in Starfleet Academy, I'd have been doing that sort of thing in my extra-curricular activities anyway. I mean I did it in college in real life anyway. It makes Kirk more real - and furthermore as we learned in the TNG episode "Tapestry," Captain Picard would have done the same thing in his younger years.

Archer and Sisko were both more serious Starfleet cadets when they were younger I think. Riker was trying one approach or another with Deanna Troi, too.

Gee: let's make our characters playful and human, instead of nerds obsessed with being MIT appropriate just because straight-laced characters are somehow honorable and (definitely) more professional - as if that's ALWAYS more admirable than just boys being boys, living their lives, part of which is constantly pursuing sex (themes found in a lot of other military movies).

If Abrams has Ben Skywalker being that type of guy, I would enjoy the character as a fresh change for a Jedi. Luke has changed the role of Jedi by marrying Mara and having a child in the first place. But we know it as cannon, that Obi-Wan ran around the Dutchess (Satine) of Mandalore, most likely NOT with Qui-Gon or Yoda's approval. Oh and duh: the obvious: Anakin and PADME.

But Anakin is overly former in his courtship: "Your kiss you never should have given me as I hope that kiss will not become a scar..." (but brilliantly alluding to the scars born by Darth Vader only 3 more years into Anakin's future). "I can't breath." (Vader's iron lungs...) AOTC is better than many give it credit for.

Meanwhile, we never saw Luke really court though we got the idea he was interested in Leia before he knew...

On the other hand, Han Solo's style is a third way: to bait and argue with the girl he likes, and accuse her of everything. Thoroughly enjoyable while he's being an Az to Leia, but her aristocratic attitude kind of demanded it.

So Ben Skywalker could be a JJAbrams' type of prankster courter.

NOW....Jaina Solo would already be involved with or marrying Jagged Fel. And she would probably not be a slud nor playful like that in her 30's, which she'd have to be if Carrie Fisher at nearly 60 played Leia at nearly 60 - who had Jaina 5 years after ROTJ, or when Leia was 27 years old.

And Allanh Solo (Jacen's orphaned daughter) is only 9 years old - like Anakin in TPM - so let's not go there.

These are LIVE ACTION films, right? Not voice-overs where Leia could be 26-27 and still played by Carrie Fisher (age around 60)?

Bel-Cam Jos
01-29-2013, 10:39 PM
This is now why I was hesitant to "like" the acquisition by Disney. Star Wars had a broad coverage of its products and companies:
- music (often 20th Century Fox, then Sony Classical)
- books (Bantam/Spectra, before LucasBooks)
- fast food tie-ins (Burger King, Taco Bell/Pizza Hut/KFC, then McDonald's)
- cereal (Kellogg's, then General Mills)
- video games (Atari, then LucasArts)
- comics (Marvel, then Dark Horse)
- action toys (Kenner/Hasbro)
- high-end collectibles (Gentle Giant, Sideshow, et al)
- cards (Topps, with a few other smaller companies)
- cartoons (ABC, then Cartoon Network)
- likely more that I can't recall now

That kept it a little fresh; competition and innovation and all that, you know. Now, if you don't want your SW with a side of Disney, you'll likely be out o' luck. :(

Lord Malakite
01-30-2013, 05:41 AM
I'd expect more Disney Store exclusive toys.

Mr. JabbaJohnL
01-30-2013, 01:00 PM
That kept it a little fresh; competition and innovation and all that, you know. Now, if you don't want your SW with a side of Disney, you'll likely be out o' luck. :(
I don't know why that would have to be the case. Hasbro's contract currently goes through 2020, and they could easily expand that when the time comes (it was recently expanded from 2018). I don't know what the other licensees are, but if Disney sees companies as successful doing what they're doing then I doubt they'd just stop - they're still getting licensing fees and all that sort of thing. I fully expect Disney to expand SW's presence at the Disney Store (as LM mentioned) and throughout the parks (where it already has a pretty good-sized footprint anyway, including many kinds of collectibles). Disney already had quite a lot of SW product, such as the Hasbro Droid Factory kiosk and Weekends merchandise, that I see it expanding but not necessarily taking away from anyone else.

Yes, The Clone Wars will probably move to Disney XD, but does that really matter? On the plus side, Disney owns several TV channels and has the budget and connections to expand SW on TV, so I'm not even remotely worried about that.

bigbarada
01-30-2013, 01:20 PM
Just think, when the Sequel Trilogy wraps up, in 2021 or 2022, kids born after Disney's purchase of Lucasfilm will be 9-10 years old. So they will have no memory whatsoever of a time when Star Wars was not a Disney franchise.

JediTricks
01-30-2013, 05:51 PM
I'd expect more Disney Store exclusive toys.Ugh, yeah, just like their Indiana Jones product line, a ton of park and Disney store exclusive things that are good but fall short too, like the 6" IJ figure with no neck articulation except up and down.


I don't know why that would have to be the case. Hasbro's contract currently goes through 2020, and they could easily expand that when the time comes (it was recently expanded from 2018). I don't know what the other licensees are, but if Disney sees companies as successful doing what they're doing then I doubt they'd just stop - they're still getting licensing fees and all that sort of thing. I fully expect Disney to expand SW's presence at the Disney Store (as LM mentioned) and throughout the parks (where it already has a pretty good-sized footprint anyway, including many kinds of collectibles). Disney already had quite a lot of SW product, such as the Hasbro Droid Factory kiosk and Weekends merchandise, that I see it expanding but not necessarily taking away from anyone else.

Yes, The Clone Wars will probably move to Disney XD, but does that really matter? On the plus side, Disney owns several TV channels and has the budget and connections to expand SW on TV, so I'm not even remotely worried about that.As I posted in the news, Cartoon Network announced their 2013-14 fall lineup and will not be airing The Clone Wars in it, so either it's going to XD or it's going to the scrapheap.

Lord Malakite
01-30-2013, 07:22 PM
Yes, The Clone Wars will probably move to Disney XD, but does that really matter?
Actually it does matter to a degree as it means a smaller viewing audience. Disney XD is only offered on a higher tier premium cable packages. Cartoon Network on the other hand is offered on most basic cable packages.


Ugh, yeah, just like their Indiana Jones product line, a ton of park and Disney store exclusive things that are good but fall short too, like the 6" IJ figure with no neck articulation except up and down.
And tons of senseless figure reissues. If they deal Hasbro the same ultimatums that they dealt Bandai with for Power Rangers you are going to see a lot of Disney Store exclusives that are nothing more than repaint and/or just package variants of the stuff you'd find at Toys R Us, Walmart, etc.

Tycho
01-31-2013, 12:55 AM
It might be time to move on. I'm not going to give up what I've got and still want more.

Just thinking about SideShow:

Lando General
Leia red Bespin Gown
Wooof
Weequay
Greivous
Magna Droid

Some of my top choices.

Hasbro:

- you already know, they are obscure or sideline characters from the films and cartoon.

Darth Metalmute
02-21-2013, 08:53 AM
I just read that an unidentified source has stated that Darth Vader will be the villain in the new trilogy? Any truth to that? Any reason to believe if true that this would be ridiculous?

JediTricks
02-21-2013, 02:37 PM
I doubt there's any way to know who will be the villain at this point, but if this is a genuine leak - and there's no reason to believe it is, but for the sake of argument - then perhaps it's a design for a flashback scene or one of the character movies rather than the new trilogy.

Bel-Cam Jos
02-21-2013, 09:32 PM
Nope; it's likely true. A TIE Fighter pilot used its exhaust to suck up all the smoke from Vader's funeral pyre, and cloned him. Although, his name's Darth Vadar in this film.

Lord Malakite
02-22-2013, 02:39 PM
Nope; it's likely true. A TIE Fighter pilot used its exhaust to suck up all the smoke from Vader's funeral pyre, and cloned him. Although, his name's Darth Vadar in this film.
And Darth Vadar wishes to travel back in time to save the Empire, forcing the future Han Solo (played by Ford) to travel back in time to stop him. Vadar kills Chewbacca and past Leia (played by Fisher using Tron Legacy style de-aging CGI), altering the time line. Of slight note, before she is killed the viewer will note that Leia has her hair done so that it appears she has buns (like from A New Hope), but now they are on top of her head instead of on the side as to resemble mouse ears. Future Han becomes stranded on Dagobah somehow where he meets Luke (played by Hamilton using CGI de-aging) and tells him how his present day self (also played by Ford using CGI de-aging) is effected by the death of Chewie and Leia and is not thinking clearly. Jar Jar joins the team as Chewie's replacement. Luke confronts Vadar and kills him in an epic "lens flare" battle with lightsabers, but Vadar's meddling is enough to allow the Empire to win the Battle of Endor. Thus Luke, Jar Jar, Han, future Han, C-3PO and R2-D2 barely make it and go into hiding with the few rebel survivors to plan their next move in a galaxy far, far away known as the Alpha Quadrant where they come across a mysterious ship known as the Enterprise. Cue credits.

Tycho
02-22-2013, 10:32 PM
That was awesome Malakite! But you forgot how midgets will fit in.

Lucas always used to have midgets in the movies! Podracers, Geonosians were kind of small, Utai, Jawas, Ugnaughts, Ewoks....

And yet, I don't think we've ever had a midget wrestling scene... could you write one for this excellent plot you've proposed and add it in?

bigbarada
02-23-2013, 01:23 PM
Does anyone remember SuperShadow and his "leaked plots" for Episodes 2 and 3? I remember he also had a leaked plot for Ep7 involving a Skywalker-cult who were following Luke around. They had recovered Luke's severed hand from Bespin and were worshipping it like a god. Also, there were a bunch of commandos in Vader-inspired armor who kept harassing the heroes.

JediTricks
02-23-2013, 05:13 PM
Nope; it's likely true. A TIE Fighter pilot used its exhaust to suck up all the smoke from Vader's funeral pyre, and cloned him. Although, his name's Darth Vadar in this film.Not Darth Vaader, or Darth Vadeer, or Daarth Vader?

Will he be portrayed by James Earl Jones in costume and Hayden Christensen in voice?



And Darth Vadar wishes to travel back in time to save the Empire, forcing the future Han Solo (played by Ford) to travel back in time to stop him. Vadar kills Chewbacca and past Leia (played by Fisher using Tron Legacy style de-aging CGI), altering the time line. Of slight note, before she is killed the viewer will note that Leia has her hair done so that it appears she has buns (like from A New Hope), but now they are on top of her head instead of on the side as to resemble mouse ears. Future Han becomes stranded on Dagobah somehow where he meets Luke (played by Hamilton using CGI de-aging) and tells him how his present day self (also played by Ford using CGI de-aging) is effected by the death of Chewie and Leia and is not thinking clearly. Jar Jar joins the team as Chewie's replacement. Luke confronts Vadar and kills him in an epic "lens flare" battle with lightsabers, but Vadar's meddling is enough to allow the Empire to win the Battle of Endor. Thus Luke, Jar Jar, Han, future Han, C-3PO and R2-D2 barely make it and go into hiding with the few rebel survivors to plan their next move in a galaxy far, far away known as the Alpha Quadrant where they come across a mysterious ship known as the Enterprise. Cue credits.Don't forget that C-3PO in this new timeline will be romancing Asajj Ventress - who is no longer white-skinned or bald or a Sith.



Does anyone remember SuperShadow and his "leaked plots" for Episodes 2 and 3? I remember he also had a leaked plot for Ep7 involving a Skywalker-cult who were following Luke around. They had recovered Luke's severed hand from Bespin and were worshipping it like a god. Also, there were a bunch of commandos in Vader-inspired armor who kept harassing the heroes.I remember how seriously some folks took that stuff too! Are you trying to say SuperShadow became so obsessed with being proven right that he became a janitor at Disneyland just to rise through the ranks to become CEO so that he could buy Star Wars? Because that'd be a much more interesting story than whatever drivel JJ Abrams ends up putting out.

Tycho
03-06-2013, 01:47 AM
I am thinking: cast Keri Russel as Jaina Solo.

The movie:

Han and Leia make brief cameo appearances to offer advice or be seen with Allanah Solo who as a pre-teen would be dependent on them - and we'd get short glimpses of the Millennium Falcon.

All this for fanboys and continuity.


Luke (Mark Hamill) will be in the movie a bit more. Perhaps even with a beard for that Obi-Wan Kenobi (Alec Guiness) feel for the character. He will be training his around 20 year old son, Ben Skywalker, who has become a hot-head and troubled by the death of his mother (Mara Jade will NOT be in the movie unless they use holograms of her from R2-D2 or something).


Anyway, the hot-head son will need to come of age and part of it will be a journey to the dangerous Imperial Remnant, now partly dominated by his estranged cousin, the Empress (or Princess) Jaina Fel.

She will join Ben on whatever his quest is, and teach him a more agressive way to use the Force, differing from the training of his father.


Luke will need Han Solo and Princess Leia once more to temper their estranged daughter, and reel in the rash Ben Skywalker.


Allanah Solo will observe these goings-on and it will start to make an impression on her.


It would seem the Disney-owned Lucasfilm is going forward with the continuity because the new Legacy comics series that will begin, following Cade Skywalker's defeat of Darth Krayyt, will focus on Ania Solo - Han and Leia's great-great-grand-daughter I think:


Han + Leia = Anakin (Dead), Jacen (Dead) + Tenel Ka, and Jaina + Jagged Fel


....................Jacen (Dead) + Tenel Ka = Allanah Solo...............................Jaina + Jagged = ????? Fel (male obviously)

......................Allanah Solo + ????? (but not married?) = ???? Solo (male) ..................???? Fel + ????? = Emperor Roan Fel

----------------??? Solo (male) + ????? = Ania Solo (Legacy's star) ............................Roan Fel + ???? = Princess Marisiah Fel


Great-Great Grand-daughter = Ania Solo.............................................. ..........Great-Great Grand-daugter (2) = Marisiah Fel




Just FYI

Luke + Mara Jade = Ben Skywalker

Ben Skywalker + ???? = ????? Skywalker (male)

????? Skywalker (male) + ???? = ???? Skywalker (male)

???? Skywalker (male) + ????? = Cole Skywalker and "Uncle Bantha" Skywalker

Cole Skywalker + Morrigan Corrde = Cade Skywalker


This leaves us with a Legacy Generation of Cade Skyalker, Marisiah Fel, and Ania Solo - all cousins. (and there might be more)


So Lucasfilm approved the Ania Solo deal (coming to comic book shops near you SOON) AFTER the Disney sale.


It might mean nothing except that they'll scrap even more Expanded Universe that gets produced as recently as one or two years before the next movie.

How much sense does that make, however?


Now:

60 years old.............TPM: Qui-Gon Jinn..........................ANH: Obi-Wan...............Ep7: Luke Skywalker
9 years old...............TPM: Anakin Skywalker....................ANH: 0/0/0/..................Ep 7: Allanah Solo (younger ?)
20 years old..............TPM: Obi-Wan (24).........................ANH: Luke & Leia...........EP 7: Ben Skywalker
30 years old..............TPM: 0/0/0/...................................ANH: Han Solo..............EP 7: Jaina Fel

Before you comment if my theory's possible, please answer if you see an age pattern for the characters here.

JediTricks
03-06-2013, 03:15 PM
Keri Russell is 37 this year, seems kinda old for the character. Carrie Fisher is just 20 years older than her, seems a stretch to play the character.


Speaking of Carrie Fisher, I just posted an article where she's confirmed to be returning to the saga for the new films.

Lord Malakite
03-06-2013, 04:40 PM
Speaking of Carrie Fisher, I just posted an article where she's confirmed to be returning to the saga for the new films.
And I just learned that Carrie Fisher's sister Tricia Fisher starred in Bio-Man, Saban's television pilot from the 1980's that was the precursor/TV pitch for Mighty Morphin Power Rangers.


Mark Dacascos as Victor Lee
Miguel Nuñez as Zack Talor (Miguel Núñez Jr. later)
Tricia Fisher as Trini Crystal (Tricia Leight Fisher later)
Rebecca Staples as Kimberly Harte
Tom Silardi as Billy Cranston

Tycho
03-06-2013, 10:45 PM
I didn't know Keri Russell was that old. Who else could be cast as Jaina? About 30 years old.

What about Ashley Judd?

Mr. JabbaJohnL
03-07-2013, 11:33 AM
In this Businessweek article (http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2013-03-07/how-disney-bought-lucasfilm-and-its-plans-for-star-wars#p1), which is pretty interesting, Lucas drops this line:

Asked whether members of the original Star Wars cast will appear in Episode VII and if he called them before the deal closed to keep them informed, Lucas says, “We had already signed Mark and Carrie and Harrison—or we were pretty much in final stages of negotiation. So I called them to say, ‘Look, this is what’s going on.’ ” He pauses. “Maybe I’m not supposed to say that. I think they want to announce that with some big whoop-de-do, but we were negotiating with them.” Then he adds: “I won’t say whether the negotiations were successful or not.”
So they started signing them before the Disney deal? Despite the backtrack, this seems like pretty damn good confirmation of their involvement!

Tycho, Ashley Judd turns 45 this year.

Darth Metalmute
03-07-2013, 02:36 PM
I didn't know Keri Russell was that old. Who else could be cast as Jaina? About 30 years old.

What about Ashley Judd?

You could get Ashley Judd to play a 60 year old Ahsoka Tano.

JediTricks
03-07-2013, 03:37 PM
And I just learned that Carrie Fisher's sister Tricia Fisher starred in Bio-Man, Saban's television pilot from the 1980's that was the precursor/TV pitch for Mighty Morphin Power Rangers.Half sister, and I had no idea either.


In this Businessweek article (http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2013-03-07/how-disney-bought-lucasfilm-and-its-plans-for-star-wars#p1), which is pretty interesting, Lucas drops this line:

So they started signing them before the Disney deal? Despite the backtrack, this seems like pretty damn good confirmation of their involvement!

Tycho, Ashley Judd turns 45 this year.I was going to say the same of Judd, you beat me to that.

I think you're misinterpreting that article, he was saying that Disney was negotiating with the stars DURING the Lucasfilm deal but before it was finalized.

bigbarada
03-08-2013, 03:24 AM
I didn't know Keri Russell was that old. Who else could be cast as Jaina? About 30 years old.

You can take your pick from this list:
http://www.imdb.com/list/_AnnWeh7apQ/

Most of them are in their early 20s. I would think you would want her to be a few years younger than 30, this way she's not approaching 40 by the time Ep9 comes out.

Phoebe Tonkin might have the look you are wanting. Personally, I'd really like to see Saoirse Ronan (Atonement, The Lovely Bones, Hanna) in a Star Wars film.

Tycho
03-08-2013, 07:44 AM
Yes. Phoebe Tonkin is perfect. She looks like she could be related to Natalie Portman and Carrie Fisher. Obviously, Jaina Fel (Solo) would be.

I think I mentioned this to someone else.

Another true test of whether the Exp. Universe is truly in play is whether we'll see Peter Meyhew cast as Chewbacca.

Note, if they wanted to give Peter work, he could play a different tall character. Chewie's had 4 movies.

Billy Dee Williams (as Lando) has only had 2 - though I don't know if there would be a role for Lando in sequel stories.

Dennis Lawson as Wedge? Possibly because Jaina wanted so much to be a pilot like her father.


But I really think these new movies will be about the new cast: Jaina, Ben Skywalker, Allanah Solo.

As to casting Jaina in her later 20's so the actress can play her through her 30's?

Of course that's a good idea. Carrie Fisher was 17 when cast as the 19 year old Princess Leia who we saw have 4 birthdays during the Star Wars movies (Leia was 23 in ROTJ) and Carrie was 22 when she played the 23 year old Leia for ROTJ I believe.

Jaina Fel (Solo) may not be the focal point character of Episodes 7,8,9. However.

Her largest role might be in Episode 7, and Ben Skywalker (training with his father Jedi Master Luke) would probably see more action in Episode 8 and 9, especially since he's the right age for a character to grow up into a Jedi (or Sith). Ben will be almost 20 but still an apprentice when we meet him in Episode 7. Jaina will already be a vetted Jedi (Imperial) Knight and should be married to Jagged Fel, a "benevolent" Empire being reinforced on the Outer Rim to be ran by their descendants, Emperor Roan Fel and Princess Marisiah Fel in three more generations - and I've noted that Dark Horse is continuing the comics with that story line about Ania Solo - a girl Jedi descended from Jaina's brother's line (and not Imperial).

In any event, Allanah Solo (Han and Leia's grand-daughter, Jacen Solo's daughter with Tenel Ka) will be 8 or 9 years old in Episode 7, and may become a "Hunger Games age" teenager like Katniss Everdeen during by the time Episode 9 concludes.

Duh. It's a pandering to popularity move (with strong female characters - and younger ones for the teen audience) and different from a young MALE Jedi (Anakin or Luke - though now we'll also have Ben) being a Star Wars movie focal point.

It will remain to be seen whether Allanah Solo (Ania Solo's eventual grandmother) will fall in love with both a vampire and a werewolf - but Dannik Jerico and Lak Sivrak could feasibly be returning characters then. (and they've started a boy-band since the last time we saw them in the Mos Eisley Cantina).

Bel-Cam Jos
03-08-2013, 08:46 AM
Read an article how Disney is looking to do stand-alone SW films, perhaps centered around mainly one character, like the formula of the Marvel heroes films.

Mr. JabbaJohnL
03-08-2013, 11:40 AM
Read an article how Disney is looking to do stand-alone SW films, perhaps centered around mainly one character, like the formula of the Marvel heroes films.
They officially announced two of them several weeks ago. Lawrence Kasdan is writing one, Simon Kinberg is writing another.

Bel-Cam Jos
03-08-2013, 03:03 PM
My guess as the star character? Willrow Hood. :pleased: "You are great!"

Tycho
03-08-2013, 07:59 PM
Characters For stand alone movies:

Yoda
Qui-Gon
Obi-Wan
Jango Fett
Dooku
Grievous
Ventress
Ahsoka
Rex
Han & Chewie
Leia
Vader
R2 and C-3PO
Boba Fett
Jaina & Jacen
Ben
Allanah

Darth Metalmute
03-08-2013, 09:18 PM
Another true test of whether the Exp. Universe is truly in play is whether we'll see Peter Meyhew cast as Chewbacca.

If the movies do indeed take place after your post Darth Cadeus universe, then Chewbacca wouldn't be in the movie as he would be dead.

Bel-Cam Jos
03-09-2013, 12:20 PM
If the movies do indeed take place after your post Darth Cadeus universe, then Chewbacca wouldn't be in the movie as he would be dead.But the films have been destroying the EU storylines and backgrounds since the Prequels, so nothing is truly out-of-the-question anymore.

bigbarada
03-09-2013, 02:21 PM
I would be highly annoyed if Chewbacca is dead in Ep7. I could care less about some book or comic book that came out years ago, the movies need to stand on their own. You can't kill off a main character like Chewbacca offscreen... well, technically you can, but it's just really poor storytelling.

If they need to toss out whatever stupid book Chewbacca died in and expel that storyline permanently from the Star Wars continuity, then so be it.

JediTricks
03-09-2013, 06:24 PM
Mayhew is an old man, maybe he doesn't want to commit to more movies. That said, the character of Chewbacca shouldn't be left out simply because of a bad idea in Vector Prime.

Bel-Cam Jos
03-09-2013, 06:46 PM
Vector Prime the book itslef wasn't so bad; but the whole NJO storyline, even though I recently learned it was supposed to follow Joseph Campbell's "Journey of the Hero," was so bad it makes me want to drop a moon on it.

Maybe Mara Jade, Mon Mothma, Ackbar, Madine, or Thrawn aren't dead, either.
Oh, sorry: SPOILER alert. Sincerely, the year 2007.

Tycho
03-11-2013, 01:42 AM
I would be highly annoyed if Chewbacca is dead in Ep7. I could care less about some book or comic book that came out years ago, the movies need to stand on their own. You can't kill off a main character like Chewbacca offscreen... well, technically you can, but it's just really poor storytelling.

If they need to toss out whatever stupid book Chewbacca died in and expel that storyline permanently from the Star Wars continuity, then so be it.

The books needed to kill a pretty regular character to evoke that there was some danger going on in the SW universe. Else why read the books at all? - they all end up with everything "back to normal."

Personally, I wanted to see Han or Leia die eventually, too - like in some kind of blaze of glory - that'e especially Han's style.

It makes other characters left alive PASSIONATE for revenge at the very least - and they ACT on their feelings.

Chewbacca's death was in the initial installment of a 20 book New Jedi Order series.

I guess they didn't allow the Big 3 to be killed just in cast they made more movies - as we're seeing now.

But these appearances by Harrison, Fisher, and (less so) Hammil will be a lot like cameos and I don't think they will (or should) be the new trilogy's main characters.

Meet the Fockers was about Ben Stiller's character moreso than the in-laws or parents. Han, Leia, and Luke are the Fockers this time around.

Get it Focker? ;)

El Chuxter
03-11-2013, 12:05 PM
Initially, killing Chewie was a good idea. They needed to show that the characters were in danger, and most authors clearly had no idea what to do with him. (The novels usually seemed to coincide with him visiting family on Kashyyyk.)

Unfortunately, they blew it, when it became clear the other major characters weren't in danger. And when his sacrifice became pointless when (according to rumor) George Lucas thought it'd be confusing to have different characters named Anakin in the books and movies, and made them kill Anakin Solo (whom Chewie had died saving).

JediTricks
03-11-2013, 03:52 PM
The books have always struggled to write for Chewie and Lando, so it was obvious that one of them was going to be the dead one, and the one who couldn't express himself through dialogue was the easier choice - despite it diminishing Han Solo as a character. And as Chux said, Having Chewie die for ultimately little reason ended up wasteful.

bigbarada
03-11-2013, 06:16 PM
Mayhew is an old man, maybe he doesn't want to commit to more movies.

If that's the case, then I can live with Chewie not being in the films. However, I don't want them to intentionally leave Chewbacca out to stay consistent with a book that only a select number of Star Wars fans would have read.

If he's not in Ep7, then they are going to need to use up value movie time to explain why. He was too important of a character in the OT to just brush him off.

It's easy enough to just put Mayhew in the make-up from the waist up and give him mostly white hair to show that he's aged. Then he can just send a transmission from his home-planet explaining why he can't be a part of the main storyline. Han can even make a comment on how his "life debt" had been paid off many times over and he told Chewie to go home and take care of his family.

Something like that would be better than to just say "Oh, he died. Go read read this book, now on sale at your local bookseller, to find out how."

Tycho
03-11-2013, 08:58 PM
Go spend money on the book. That's what they're saying. Make us more money after we bought this thing.

Chewie's death did not diminished Han's character. It made Hans look at his life and how it had changed things becoming a father and a husband and feeling suicidal After losing his best friend. Then he gathered his strength and came back like a true hero. That's character growth. As was dealing with the death of his son. Chewie dying to save Anakin and then Anakin dying was great tragic writing even though it happens by accident.

I would kill more more old guard characters.

JediTricks
03-11-2013, 10:26 PM
If that's the case, then I can live with Chewie not being in the films. However, I don't want them to intentionally leave Chewbacca out to stay consistent with a book that only a select number of Star Wars fans would have read.

If he's not in Ep7, then they are going to need to use up value movie time to explain why. He was too important of a character in the OT to just brush him off.

It's easy enough to just put Mayhew in the make-up from the waist up and give him mostly white hair to show that he's aged. Then he can just send a transmission from his home-planet explaining why he can't be a part of the main storyline. Han can even make a comment on how his "life debt" had been paid off many times over and he told Chewie to go home and take care of his family.

Something like that would be better than to just say "Oh, he died. Go read read this book, now on sale at your local bookseller, to find out how."What's a "local bookseller"? :p


Han Solo is defined in part by his inabilities and by those he chooses to have as compatriot to help back up his shortcomings. Han Solo without Chewbacca is not as nuanced a character and not as vulnerable, not as dependent.

Tycho
03-12-2013, 07:07 PM
Now you have Han Solo with a Jedi daughter married into the Empire and a Jedi granddaughter.

You'll see him struggle because he does not have even same abilities as his children. Yet they are young and he still needs to come through for them. Or give his life for his granddaughter.

bigbarada
03-14-2013, 04:50 PM
Now you have Han Solo with a Jedi daughter married into the Empire and a Jedi granddaughter.

You'll see him struggle because he does not have even same abilities as his children. Yet they are young and he still needs to come through for them. Or give his life for his granddaughter.

Of course, it's highly likely that Disney will just toss all that continuity in the garbage can. Why force people to read books that have been out for years in order to catch up on the story, when instead they can just erase it all, publish new books and, not only get new readers to buy them, but longtime readers as well?

For example, let's say Ep7 picks up right after the Thrawn Trilogy (not technically possible, I know, but this is just an example). Well, a new fan will need to go back and buy those books if they want to know what happened between Ep6 and Ep7; but, since I'm sure you already own those books, you're not going to buy them again. However, if they erase HTTE from the continuity and start fresh, then both you AND the new fan will need to buy any fill-in books that they might decide to publish later on. So, they've potentially doubled their book sales by erasing the existing EU continuity. It's a win/win in their eyes.

Because of this, I think Star Wars is finally going to break into the multi-continuity format that we've seen for other big franchises like Star Trek, Marvel Comics, DC Comics, TMNT, GI Joe, Transformers, Walking Dead, etc.

Technically, it's always been that way, since the EU continuity from 1977-1991 has been essentially erased by the new-EU that started up with the Heir to the Empire novel.

JediTricks
03-14-2013, 06:12 PM
Apparently, these movies really are being based on Lucas' ideas and were underway with pre-production before the purchase even began. George Lucas has shown his true colors with EU already: it's pretty unimportant to him, he'll toss it fast if it gets in his way or even challenges his ideas in any way.

El Chuxter
03-14-2013, 07:02 PM
Apparently, these movies really are being based on Lucas' ideas and were underway with pre-production before the purchase even began. George Lucas has shown his true colors with EU already: it's pretty unimportant to him, he'll toss it fast if it gets in his way or even challenges his ideas in any way.
"Ain't that the truth?" said Tim Zahn, Kevin Anderson, R. A. Salvatore, Karen Traviss, Jude Watson, Rick Veitch, and Genndy Tartakovsky in unison. :D

Tycho
03-16-2013, 01:40 AM
Of course, it's highly likely that Disney will just toss all that continuity in the garbage can. Why force people to read books that have been out for years in order to catch up on the story, when instead they can just erase it all, publish new books and, not only get new readers to buy them, but longtime readers as well?

For example, let's say Ep7 picks up right after the Thrawn Trilogy (not technically possible, I know, but this is just an example). Well, a new fan will need to go back and buy those books if they want to know what happened between Ep6 and Ep7; but, since I'm sure you already own those books, you're not going to buy them again. However, if they erase HTTE from the continuity and start fresh, then both you AND the new fan will need to buy any fill-in books that they might decide to publish later on. So, they've potentially doubled their book sales by erasing the existing EU continuity. It's a win/win in their eyes.

Because of this, I think Star Wars is finally going to break into the multi-continuity format that we've seen for other big franchises like Star Trek, Marvel Comics, DC Comics, TMNT, GI Joe, Transformers, Walking Dead, etc.

Technically, it's always been that way, since the EU continuity from 1977-1991 has been essentially erased by the new-EU that started up with the Heir to the Empire novel.

I understand your point but disagree.

Harrison, Mark, Carrie are all in their 60's-70's.

The films will undoubtably HAVE to introduce their children / grandchildren as the new action heroes.

Star Wars heroes are 20-30 something.

Why not call them Jaina, Ben, and Allanah for just the sake of the argument?

Why can't there be new books and comics starring Jaina Fel, Ben Skywalker, and Allanah Solo that everyone that has THE OLD BOOKS and everyone interested in the new characters could buy into?

A 5 year old kid going to see Episode 7 might think a "Ben Obi-Wan" Character is cool, but when I was 5, I was into Han, Luke, and Leia. Obi-Wan was "that old dude."

Now Han, Luke, and Leia will be the "old people." Kids and the rising NEW MARKET will be into Jaina, Ben, and Alllanah (a young generation of heroes - whatever they are called). Also new fans of the PT that were already OT fans had some interest in the Jedi Apprentice and Clone War books when "the Old Guy" was young, and more new fans were created behind the PT who weren't even born in 1997 when the OT was back in the theaters. (I did mean Nineteen NINETY seven - the re-release of the SE SW films.)

But why tick off OT fans who already invested in the stories about "the old guys" - whether they be Obi-Wan or Luke's generation? Re-prints will still sell to new fans.

Obviously Dark Horse went back to basics with their new Star Wars series (set right after ANH) but to be honest, I'm really bored with that era. Ahsoka's story added something new to the CW era so having already seen ROTS, I did NOT know everything that was going to happen. There was Ventress, Cad Bane, Hondo Ohnaka, and a few more new characters like the Onderron freedom fighters that I started to care about even when I knew what would become of Anakin.

If EU for the OT film era and just after is going to be successful, newbies have to be introduced. Some real winners like Mara Jade and Grand Admiral Thrawn already were - as were Jacen, Jaina, Anakin, Ben, and Allanah.

Now I've read that. And I even know what happens to Mara, Thrawn, Jacen, and Anakin.

All I can tell you about Jaina Fel is that her descendants become Imperial Knights who rule the Remnant as Emperor Roan Fel and Princess Marisiah Fel (his daughter).

Allanah will have a grand-daughter and perhaps a lot of births out of wedlock for the Solo clan - as Ania Solo will be the next female Jedi star of the Legacy comic series that Dark Horse is going through with beginning this year.

There are no other Solos: Jacen died leaving only Allanah (mother the Jedi and Hapan Queen Mother Tenel Ka).

Anakin died childless, and Tahiri Veila (Tusken Raider raised, Yuuzhan Vong twisted Jedi), his girlfriend, was never pregnant before Anakin was killed in the Yuuzhan Vong Invasion War.

Allanah was the only one to carry the Solo name, but she and (actually - possibly a son born out of wedlock) were the only ones to carry the Solo name.

Jaina's children too the Fel family name and are heirs to the Empire - pun directly applicable.

Darth Metalmute
03-16-2013, 05:54 PM
Why not call them Jaina, Ben, and Allanah for just the sake of the argument?

I completely agree with you on this point. Although, I would rather then start out with all the children; Jacen, Jaina, and Ben and possibly Anakin.

I am resigned to the fact that the EU I grew up with is going to be tossed out the window, but I would be extremely upset if they at least didn't use the names provided by the novels. To chose random, non-important names over those with an already emotional attachment to the majority of Star Wars fans would be like a giant middle finger to us all.

Tycho
03-16-2013, 07:12 PM
Darth Metalmute, We are sort of on the same page. But Leia was 23 in ROTJ And had Jaina 5 years after, during Heir to the Empire. In 2015the Carrie will bbe 60 years old, thus Jaina 32. Jacen died when the twins were 27. (Leia age 55)

Anakin Solo died 3 years before that. It can be done if the stories take place before New Jedi Order.

Mara Jade Skywalker would also be in the picture then.

Darth Metalmute
03-16-2013, 10:01 PM
Darth Metalmute, We are sort of on the same page. But Leia was 23 in ROTJ And had Jaina 5 years after, during Heir to the Empire. In 2015the Carrie will bbe 60 years old, thus Jaina 32. Jacen died when the twins were 27. (Leia age 55)

Anakin Solo died 3 years before that. It can be done if the stories take place before New Jedi Order.

Mara Jade Skywalker would also be in the picture then.

I definitely would like the new movies to have Mara Jade. Personally, the Fate of the Jedi Series would be a perfect storyline for the new trilogy, even if they change most of it. One twin falls to the dark side. The emotional drain of having to destroy your twin.

Tycho
03-17-2013, 01:31 AM
I'm pretty sure they won't make any of the books into movies.

That is NOT to say they will discount the books. There are plenty of gaps during years that haven't been explored, as well as stories set DURING some of the book eras that have not been told (like Fate of the Jedi).

Now I REALLY want to see Jaina, and a strong female Jedi in the movies would be a cool change (Lara Croft, Salt, Katniss Everdeen) but Allanah Solo, still too young, is perfect to develop into that role.

Ben Skywalker is the right age and has the right family name to carry this next trilogy though.

I think Jaina can be in it, but won't necessarily be the focal point, yet be one of the new "Big 3 or so."

Jaina
Ben
Allanah

Mara dies before Jacen does. Having either of those two in the film is a distraction, especially IF Disney DOES keep the continuity.

When Anakin fell to the Dark Side and became Darth Vader, we didn't know exactly how it happened. But in terms of Jacen's fall to become Darth Caedus, we know about Vergere, his torture as a prisoner of war with the Yuuzhan Vong, his alliance with Luminaya and her agenda against Luke, as well as Jacen's fear for his wife Tenel Ka and his daugher Allanah Solo.

Jacen / Darth Caedus is a moot character now (though he's great in the books).

I like how Jaina is damaged, having to kill her own brother. It lends a lot of depth to her character and also illustrates why she might find appeal in a more martial, ordered society like that offered by the Imperial Remnant under the Knights - and what she eventually co-ops with her romance with Jagged Fel.

I think there could be some people that want this thrown out because they won't want to either go back and read this information in the novels it was presented in, or they don't want to ask questions of those of us who did, and find themselves satisfied with the answers.

But I agree that everyone knows about Mara Jade, because Heir to the Empire was once thought to be Episode 7 and almost everyone read that. Regardless of whether she has been murdered or not by the time Episode 7 takes place, she is Ben Skywalker's mother.

George Lucas said that the new trilogy will focus on Luke training a new apprentice. If the apprentice is his son, then that will be Ben Skywalker. Jaina at 32 ought to be a Jedi Knight by then for certain.

Ben will be in his mid-to-upper teenage years like Anakin in AOTC.

Bel-Cam Jos
03-17-2013, 10:03 AM
Hey, Vader was supposed to be, what, 50+/60+ in ROJ (with Obi-Wan even older: 70+?)? That got thrown out the viewport for TPM. Age ain't nothin' but a number. Lucas included some EU details in the PT films (Coruscant, Aayla, Quinlan), so Disney might do so, too; but it's THEIR baby now, so they can raise/spoil/neglect/indoctrinate it as they wish. :(

Mr. JabbaJohnL
03-17-2013, 02:40 PM
Does anyone know where to find information on how many copies the EU books sell? I have a hard time believing it's the "majority" of the fandom that reads them. I consider myself a huge Star Wars fan and have always disliked the post-ROTJ EU and never had any attachment to any of the characters introduced in those novels.

If the new trilogy accepts the EU as canon - which it absolutely will not, but just for the sake of argument - there is simply too much for the general audience to catch up on, or for the film to recap, to make that a viable option. If there were one or two books to help fill in the gaps, that would be one thing, but even just to get the stories of Jacen, Jaina, and Anakin as adults, we're talking 19 New Jedi Order books, nine Legacy of the Force books, and nine Fate of the Jedi books, which is a hell of a lot. Even if the characters shared the EU names, they'd be portrayed completely differently and have a different backstory.

Bel-Cam Jos
03-17-2013, 04:02 PM
Well, if it's not a hardcover, it seldom reaches any top-seller lists. I have read everything since the 1993-ish era (end of Thrawn Trilogy) and have actually bought them (usually waiting for the paperback to purchase), too. JJL, sadly you are probably right, on just how many fans read them.

Darth Metalmute
03-17-2013, 06:25 PM
Even if the characters shared the EU names, they'd be portrayed completely differently and have a different backstory.

I'm okay with this. The names, to me, are the important part. Backstory changes are going to happen, I understand this, and resigned to it. But any name they pull out of thin air means nothing compared to Jaina, Jacen, and Mara. For people who were able to watch the originals in the theaters in the early 80's, the Thrawn trilogy kept our interest up. The Thrawn trilogy was on the best sellers list and introduced Jaina, Jacen, and Mara. For the record, it sold over 15 million copies and was voted one of the top 100 science fiction novels of all time. In fact, many believe, including Michael Kaminski, that the popularity of the Thrawn trilogy was one of the reasons Lucas decided to go ahead with the Prequel Trilogy.

I understand you don't like the post ROTJ EU stories, but I'm willing to bet, more people than you realized have read them. And for those that haven't, what matter is it to them if they do use Mara, Jaina and Jacen? These names have no meaning to you just the same as if they were named Ed, Reta, and Sasha. What would it hurt to have Lukes wife be Mara; Han and Leia kids be Jacen and Jaina? It doesn't affect non-EU readers at all, and has a very positive affect on those that follow the EU.

happy
03-18-2013, 12:32 AM
This may have been said already, but with the sale of Lucasfilm to Disney, it just doesn't seem right that it be referred to as Lucasfilm. So unless I am a couple months late and this has already been proclaimed, I will be referring to it as Lucas(less)film from hence forth.


Or if that is dumb I will quite possible never do it again.

Mr. JabbaJohnL
03-18-2013, 02:02 PM
I'm okay with this. The names, to me, are the important part. Backstory changes are going to happen, I understand this, and resigned to it. But any name they pull out of thin air means nothing compared to Jaina, Jacen, and Mara. For people who were able to watch the originals in the theaters in the early 80's, the Thrawn trilogy kept our interest up. The Thrawn trilogy was on the best sellers list and introduced Jaina, Jacen, and Mara. For the record, it sold over 15 million copies and was voted one of the top 100 science fiction novels of all time. In fact, many believe, including Michael Kaminski, that the popularity of the Thrawn trilogy was one of the reasons Lucas decided to go ahead with the Prequel Trilogy.

I understand you don't like the post ROTJ EU stories, but I'm willing to bet, more people than you realized have read them. And for those that haven't, what matter is it to them if they do use Mara, Jaina and Jacen? These names have no meaning to you just the same as if they were named Ed, Reta, and Sasha. What would it hurt to have Lukes wife be Mara; Han and Leia kids be Jacen and Jaina? It doesn't affect non-EU readers at all, and has a very positive affect on those that follow the EU.
I'm interested to see if Luke will have a wife or children at all. Mara and Ben were both created before AOTC instituted the "no personal attachments" rule for the Jedi. Anakin's personal attachments turned to greed and led to his downfall, while Luke's compassion for his father was what brought him back to the Light Side - but at the same time, Vader was playing on Luke's connection to Leia and Luke flipped out, as Vader wanted, showing that it's still a difficult balance to maintain. So even though Luke is more compassionate than previous Jedi, I doubt that they're going to give him a relationship or marriage since the negative consequences were such a big part of the prequel storyline.

I'm sure the Thrawn trilogy sold very well, but I just honestly don't know how the NJO or FOTJ books do by comparison (or really any other EU books). I really don't know, but I'm assuming it's far fewer people than have seen the films. I do know that the Thrawn trilogy is often held up as the pinnacle of the EU, and that even Timothy Zahn's follow-up efforts haven't been quite as well received - keep in mind that the Thrawn books came out 20 years ago and nothing has really reached their widespread popularity since then (from what I've seen, and I could be wrong - that's just how it looks to me).

The reactions I've seen online regarding the EU and its use in the new trilogy run the gamut from "NO EU AT ALL!!!" to "THE EU MUST BE TAKEN AS SACRED GOSPEL!!!" There's simply no pleasing everyone.

Any characters in the films that have names taken from EU simply won't be the same characters that EU fans grown to love. They might have the names, but they won't have the same personalities or backstories, as you've acknowledged. But isn't that what endeared them to EU fans in the first place? I'm not sure why the names are important but nothing else is - many EU fans hated the fact that Death Watch, Nightsisters, and other EU aspects existed in The Clone Wars when they had the same names but were portrayed differently. The show's creators saw it as a fun nod, while some fans saw it as blasphemy - far from a "positive effect."

bigbarada
03-18-2013, 02:59 PM
I wouldn't have a problem with them using names like Jaina, Jacen, and Mara; but give us a proper onscreen setup up for those characters and don't just assume that people have read the books. If that requires the screenwriters to completely rewrite their backstories, then so be it. Also, with as dumb as filmmakers generally believe audiences to be, I highly doubt that we will see names like "Ben" or "Anakin" re-used for new characters in the ST. In fact, isn't that why Lucas made them kill off Anakin Solo or Ben Skywalker (I can't remember which)?

I'm pretty sure the new movies are going to mine the existing EU for some inspiration, but that's about as far as they will go. As long as we never get a clone-Emperor or a clone-Luuke, then I'm fine with that as well.

I'm sure Heir to the Empire sold really well... 22 years ago; but I think that was mainly because it was introduced into a starving market that hadn't had any new Star Wars media for 6-7 years (outside of tabletop RPGs, which are always going to be an extreme niche market). So, the book naturally reached bestseller status, but I don't think the Thrawn trilogy ever reached worldwide phenomenon status. At least not in the way that more recent non-SW book series' have (for example, the Harry Potter books, the Twilight Saga, etc.).

So, I don't really see why the filmmakers should feel obligated to stay faithful to those books in any way whatsoever.

For the record, I bought Heir to the Empire as soon as it came out in bookstores in 1991, but I never really got around to reading it until 2001. By then I had given the HC to my brother and had to borrow a paperback copy to read. I only got about halfway through the book and I lost interest. There just wasn't really a whole lot going on there for me. I have enjoyed other EU books in the past, namely the two Han Solo trilogies and Shadows of the Empire, but for the most part I don't see anything that I feel the filmmakers "must" adhere to.

As much as I liked the Han Solo novels, I'm resigned to the fact that very little from those books are going to make it into the Han Solo standalone movie. And I'm fine with that, because this way if the movie turns out to be absolute crap, then I can just ignore it. I think the casting of young Han Solo is what will make or break the solo-Solo movie for me. If they pick some typical, teenaged, heartthrob actor who looks pretty on camera, but has absolutely no screen presence, then I probably won't even give the movie a chance.

For the Boba Fett movie, I'm actually hoping that they do a little bit of contradicting of the Prequels and just recast Boba completely. Is there any word at all on if they are approaching Temuera Morrison for the standalone Boba Fett movie?

So, I guess I'm saying that, not only do I want them to toss out the EU, but I wouldn't mind if they expelled the Prequels from the Star Wars continuity as well. :D

Mr. JabbaJohnL
03-18-2013, 04:30 PM
As much as I liked the Han Solo novels, I'm resigned to the fact that very little from those books are going to make it into the Han Solo standalone movie. And I'm fine with that, because this way if the movie turns out to be absolute crap, then I can just ignore it. I think the casting of young Han Solo is what will make or break the solo-Solo movie for me. If they pick some typical, teenaged, heartthrob actor who looks pretty on camera, but has absolutely no screen presence, then I probably won't even give the movie a chance.

For the Boba Fett movie, I'm actually hoping that they do a little bit of contradicting of the Prequels and just recast Boba completely. Is there any word at all on if they are approaching Temuera Morrison for the standalone Boba Fett movie?
There hasn't even been any official word on what the standalone films will cover, let alone casting news. But Daniel Logan and Temuera Morrison have both expressed interest in acting in any of the new movies (and Daniel played Boba on TCW, so he's on their radar). I saw a recent interview where Temuera got some obvious-looking veneers or dental implants or something that they'll hopefully take care of before he reprises any roles.

JediTricks
03-18-2013, 05:06 PM
I'm sure Heir to the Empire sold really well... 22 years ago; but I think that was mainly because it was introduced into a starving market that hadn't had any new Star Wars media for 6-7 years (outside of tabletop RPGs, which are always going to be an extreme niche market). So, the book naturally reached bestseller status, but I don't think the Thrawn trilogy ever reached worldwide phenomenon status. At least not in the way that more recent non-SW book series' have (for example, the Harry Potter books, the Twilight Saga, etc.). HTTE is currently the #2 ranked Best Selling Kindle Star Wars book, behind only The Last Jedi which came out 3 weeks ago. In Kindle > Sci-Fi > Space Opera, HTTE ranks #36 while The Last Jedi ranks #22, and in all Books > Sci-Fi > Space Opera, it's #40 and #24 respectively. HTTE is still big with a current audience, as big as any Star Wars book and second only to the newest SW book, I think that qualifies it as a phenomenon as much as any Star Wars book can claim.

bigbarada
03-18-2013, 07:34 PM
There hasn't even been any official word on what the standalone films will cover, let alone casting news. But Daniel Logan and Temuera Morrison have both expressed interest in acting in any of the new movies (and Daniel played Boba on TCW, so he's on their radar). I saw a recent interview where Temuera got some obvious-looking veneers or dental implants or something that they'll hopefully take care of before he reprises any roles.

So what was the name of the actor who played the post-Daniel-Logan/pre-Temuera-Morrison clone? Maybe he could do the role? Although, Daniel Logan looks old enough to reprise the role. The only thing that really stinks about Boba being the lead character in any movie, is that he will probably spend 90% of the film with his helmet off so that the actor can emote all over the place.

EDIT: I just did an internet search and found him: Bodie Taylor. I wouldn't object to him in the role either, I guess. Although he's never actually worn the armor, has he?


HTTE is currently the #2 ranked Best Selling Kindle Star Wars book, behind only The Last Jedi which came out 3 weeks ago. In Kindle > Sci-Fi > Space Opera, HTTE ranks #36 while The Last Jedi ranks #22, and in all Books > Sci-Fi > Space Opera, it's #40 and #24 respectively. HTTE is still big with a current audience, as big as any Star Wars book and second only to the newest SW book, I think that qualifies it as a phenomenon as much as any Star Wars book can claim.

The last 9 words of your post pretty much prove my point. Sure HTTE was extremely popular... for a Star Wars book. However, did it create a bunch of new Star Wars fans in 1991 or did it just reveal that the old Star Wars fans never really went away?

Even though I never finished the series, there are enough cool elements in HTTE that I wouldn't mind seeing adapted into the ST. Plus I think Thrawn is a cool character at the design level, I just never really liked how he was written in the book. I can't help but think that, if the Emperor really had this tactical genius who always seemed to know exactly what the heroes were going to do and always had a contingency plan to stop them, then why wouldn't Palpatine have called upon his expertise at some point after the first Death Star exploded? It just feels too convenient for me. Kind of like, "Oh the Empire really did have this competent, unstoppable military force, but they were always just offscreen during the films."

Mr. JabbaJohnL
03-18-2013, 08:59 PM
I just did an internet search and found him: Bodie Taylor. I wouldn't object to him in the role either, I guess. Although he's never actually worn the armor, has he?
No - there was no actual clone armor created for or worn in the films. (He never wore any Mandalorian armor either, if that's what you were asking.)

Darth Metalmute
03-18-2013, 10:08 PM
I'm interested to see if Luke will have a wife or children at all. Mara and Ben were both created before AOTC instituted the "no personal attachments" rule for the Jedi.

Actually, I believe that was mentioned around the Jedi academy series. Luke did away with the no attachment premise based his theory on the craving of attachment leads to the dark side more than the actual attachments.


Any characters in the films that have names taken from EU simply won't be the same characters that EU fans grown to love. They might have the names, but they won't have the same personalities or backstories, as you've acknowledged. But isn't that what endeared them to EU fans in the first place?

I guess my main reason is, I grew up knowing that Han and Leia's kids were Jacen, Jaina, and Anakin. To all of a sudden have their kids with other names would be a shock to the system. It would be like, in a lesser state mind you, growing up believing that you mom and dad are your mom and dad, only to find out when you're in your late twenties you were adopted. And even if their backstories change, you can still use some of the EU as off-camera filler stories, sort of like the PT EU is, as long as you use the names.


Even though I never finished the series, there are enough cool elements in HTTE that I wouldn't mind seeing adapted into the ST. Plus I think Thrawn is a cool character at the design level, I just never really liked how he was written in the book. I can't help but think that, if the Emperor really had this tactical genius who always seemed to know exactly what the heroes were going to do and always had a contingency plan to stop them, then why wouldn't Palpatine have called upon his expertise at some point after the first Death Star exploded? It just feels too convenient for me. Kind of like, "Oh the Empire really did have this competent, unstoppable military force, but they were always just offscreen during the films."

They did explain this, and while I don't remember right off hand, I believe it had to do with Palpatine's hatred towards the alien races. And while it's not the most satisfactory answer, it is at least better than the EU explanation that Palpatine true reason for taking over the galaxy was to prepare the galaxy for the Vong invasion.

bigbarada
03-18-2013, 11:13 PM
They did explain this, and while I don't remember right off hand, I believe it had to do with Palpatine's hatred towards the alien races. And while it's not the most satisfactory answer, it is at least better than the EU explanation that Palpatine true reason for taking over the galaxy was to prepare the galaxy for the Vong invasion.

I remember that alien-bigotry explanation and I definitely never felt it to be satisfactory. As for Palpatine trying to prepare the galaxy for the Vong invasion, that's sounds like the plotline for Fable III, but the Star Wars version probably came first. Either way, trying to attach some sort of "noble" motive to Palpatine's actions completely undermines the storyline for all the movies. That's a horrible idea.

Mr. JabbaJohnL
03-19-2013, 12:16 AM
I've only ever seen the theory that Palpatine took over the galaxy to save it from the Vong as a fan theory, not an actual EU story . . . unless I'm wrong? God, I hope I'm not.

El Chuxter
03-19-2013, 11:34 AM
It was very strongly hinted at in various EU books around the time of the NJO, particularly Rogue Planet. Palpatine chose that moment in history to take over the universe because he thought the Jedi would lead to the downfall of the entire galaxy. He later sent Thrawn out that way, because he saw the Vong as a bigger threat than the Jedi, who he could wipe out with a bunch of New Zealanders in colorful white armor. Palpy never comes out and says, "Hmmm, I think I will take over the galaxy now because these aliens from another galaxy are bad news," but it's definitely intended to be the case.

Mr. JabbaJohnL
03-19-2013, 11:43 AM
It was very strongly hinted at in various EU books around the time of the NJO, particularly Rogue Planet. Palpatine chose that moment in history to take over the universe because he thought the Jedi would lead to the downfall of the entire galaxy. He later sent Thrawn out that way, because he saw the Vong as a bigger threat than the Jedi, who he could wipe out with a bunch of New Zealanders in colorful white armor. Palpy never comes out and says, "Hmmm, I think I will take over the galaxy now because these aliens from another galaxy are bad news," but it's definitely intended to be the case.
Ugh. It's crap like this that makes me hate much of the EU. Well, at least anything to do with the Vong.

bigbarada
03-19-2013, 12:26 PM
It was very strongly hinted at in various EU books around the time of the NJO, particularly Rogue Planet. Palpatine chose that moment in history to take over the universe because he thought the Jedi would lead to the downfall of the entire galaxy. He later sent Thrawn out that way, because he saw the Vong as a bigger threat than the Jedi, who he could wipe out with a bunch of New Zealanders in colorful white armor. Palpy never comes out and says, "Hmmm, I think I will take over the galaxy now because these aliens from another galaxy are bad news," but it's definitely intended to be the case.

If that really is the case, then I say burn the EU. Burn it all down to the ground.

Anyway, here's an old quote from Lucas that kind of hints how the current post-ROTJ EU fits in with his vision (emphasis added):


"And now there have been novels about the events after Episode VI, which isn't at all what I would have done with it. The Star Wars story is really the tragedy of Darth Vader. That is the story. Once Vader dies, he doesn't come back to life, the Emperor doesn't get cloned and Luke doesn't get married."

This quote comes from a Merge Digital interview dated 2006; but I found it referenced in this article which is pretty fascinating to read:
http://www.secrethistoryofstarwars.com/completehistoryofthesequeltrilogy.html

So, what Lucas is basically saying is that, if he wrote a story for Luke, Han and Leia that takes place after ROTJ, then it wouldn't be at all like the current EU continuity. I'm not sure how relevant that is right now, but it's pretty interesting and might give a hint at how faithful they plan to be to the existing post-ROTJ storylines.

Tycho
03-19-2013, 01:13 PM
Lucas asked that only Anakin Solo be killed off. He didn't want books coming out with 2 Anakins - one for each era - because he thought readers would get oonfused - who becomes Darth Vader, and who calls Han Solo "daddy."

Also the cast must be kept from getting too large.

If Han and Leia only have 1 child, a girl, 32 years old - an adult Imperial Knight by this point - that will be fine. There's Jaina. They don't have to explain that she had two brothers who are already dead - one who she even had to slay.

I think to appeal to the kids, they might be seen with a little girl (age 10 or younger) - that would be their grand-daughter Allanah - and they don't even have to mention who her parents were (you obviously know they were a direct child lost to Han and Leia - Jacen in this case).

And yes, Luke's New Jedi Order allows marriages. Mara would be dead and thus you'd have Ben training with his father.

Darth Metalmute
03-19-2013, 09:19 PM
It was very strongly hinted at in various EU books around the time of the NJO, particularly Rogue Planet. Palpatine chose that moment in history to take over the universe because he thought the Jedi would lead to the downfall of the entire galaxy. He later sent Thrawn out that way, because he saw the Vong as a bigger threat than the Jedi, who he could wipe out with a bunch of New Zealanders in colorful white armor. Palpy never comes out and says, "Hmmm, I think I will take over the galaxy now because these aliens from another galaxy are bad news," but it's definitely intended to be the case.

It really got into it in Outbound Flight. While it was a good book, the whole good guy Palpatine thing was over the top.


I remember that alien-bigotry explanation and I definitely never felt it to be satisfactory. As for Palpatine trying to prepare the galaxy for the Vong invasion, that's sounds like the plotline for Fable III, but the Star Wars version probably came first. Either way, trying to attach some sort of "noble" motive to Palpatine's actions completely undermines the storyline for all the movies. That's a horrible idea.

The Thrawn trilogy said it was alien bigotry, however later books said he kept his top tactician out there to be on the look out for Vong forces.

JediTricks
03-19-2013, 09:55 PM
The last 9 words of your post pretty much prove my point. Sure HTTE was extremely popular... for a Star Wars book. However, did it create a bunch of new Star Wars fans in 1991 or did it just reveal that the old Star Wars fans never really went away?It's now #1 in SW, re-overtaking The Last Jedi, I don't think this is about old fans trying to rebuy 1 book over and over, I think it still has good word of mouth, it is #25 AND #35 in Space Opera (hardcover then kindle edition, respectively) behind Ender's Game, Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, the John Carter on Mars series - it's in good company. Timothy Zahn is the #27 top author in Amazon's Author Rank system for Books > Sci-Fi, not just Space Opera or Star Wars, this isn't some old guard fans clinging to a single book or series, it resonates because it's good entertainment and has that Star Wars magic feel no matter when it was written. BTW, HTTE's 2 sequels are #s 3 and 4 in SW, while Spectre of the Past and Vision of the Future (the sequels) are only #18 and #20 in SW, so it's not blind faith.


Even though I never finished the series, there are enough cool elements in HTTE that I wouldn't mind seeing adapted into the ST. Plus I think Thrawn is a cool character at the design level, I just never really liked how he was written in the book. I can't help but think that, if the Emperor really had this tactical genius who always seemed to know exactly what the heroes were going to do and always had a contingency plan to stop them, then why wouldn't Palpatine have called upon his expertise at some point after the first Death Star exploded? It just feels too convenient for me. Kind of like, "Oh the Empire really did have this competent, unstoppable military force, but they were always just offscreen during the films."If you had finished the series, you'd see more cracks in his character. Also, I think having him disconnected from Vader is a big part of what makes him able to be a competent officer in the Imp Navy, no sweating getting choked out for a stray cough.



I remember that alien-bigotry explanation and I definitely never felt it to be satisfactory. I liked the alien bigotry thing, it resonated with me, when you look at the OT there's no aliens in the Empire, they hire snitches but that's about the extent of it. Even Palpy's weird ROTJ advisers are humans.



Ugh. It's crap like this that makes me hate much of the EU. Well, at least anything to do with the Vong.Ditto here.



If that really is the case, then I say burn the EU. Burn it all down to the ground.

Anyway, here's an old quote from Lucas that kind of hints how the current post-ROTJ EU fits in with his vision (emphasis added):



This quote comes from a Merge Digital interview dated 2006; but I found it referenced in this article which is pretty fascinating to read:
http://www.secrethistoryofstarwars.com/completehistoryofthesequeltrilogy.html

So, what Lucas is basically saying is that, if he wrote a story for Luke, Han and Leia that takes place after ROTJ, then it wouldn't be at all like the current EU continuity. I'm not sure how relevant that is right now, but it's pretty interesting and might give a hint at how faithful they plan to be to the existing post-ROTJ storylines.In ANH's DVD commentary he attributes the saga to Leia, Vader, Luke, the Droids, Obi-Wan, the Jedi, the Sith. The amount of people he claims the movies are about is STUPID. And when you look at his notes and his writings for ANH and ESB, it's clear Vader wasn't who the saga was about at all, Anakin Skywalker wasn't even Vader for a while. I have no problem with him seeing the post-ROTJ era differently from the EU writers and wanting now to make that into movies, but I do have a problem claiming it's all about Vader, that's disingenuous to a severe degree.

bigbarada
03-19-2013, 10:26 PM
It's now #1 in SW, re-overtaking The Last Jedi, I don't think this is about old fans trying to rebuy 1 book over and over, I think it still has good word of mouth, it is #25 AND #35 in Space Opera (hardcover then kindle edition, respectively) behind Ender's Game, Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, the John Carter on Mars series - it's in good company. Timothy Zahn is the #27 top author in Amazon's Author Rank system for Books > Sci-Fi, not just Space Opera or Star Wars, this isn't some old guard fans clinging to a single book or series, it resonates because it's good entertainment and has that Star Wars magic feel no matter when it was written. BTW, HTTE's 2 sequels are #s 3 and 4 in SW, while Spectre of the Past and Vision of the Future (the sequels) are only #18 and #20 in SW, so it's not blind faith.

If you had finished the series, you'd see more cracks in his character. Also, I think having him disconnected from Vader is a big part of what makes him able to be a competent officer in the Imp Navy, no sweating getting choked out for a stray cough.

I liked the alien bigotry thing, it resonated with me, when you look at the OT there's no aliens in the Empire, they hire snitches but that's about the extent of it. Even Palpy's weird ROTJ advisers are humans.

Now you're making me think that I need to take the time to read the Thrawn trilogy.


In ANH's DVD commentary he attributes the saga to Leia, Vader, Luke, the Droids, Obi-Wan, the Jedi, the Sith. The amount of people he claims the movies are about is STUPID. And when you look at his notes and his writings for ANH and ESB, it's clear Vader wasn't who the saga was about at all, Anakin Skywalker wasn't even Vader for a while. I have no problem with him seeing the post-ROTJ era differently from the EU writers and wanting now to make that into movies, but I do have a problem claiming it's all about Vader, that's disingenuous to a severe degree.

Yeah, I kind of take it with a grain of salt, since Lucas changes his mind so much. And I definitely don't buy the claim the Star Wars has always been about Darth Vader. That was clearly not the case in the OT, he just ended up becoming such a powerful and iconic character (which almost had nothing to do with George Lucas whatsoever), that he kind of became a central character after the fact.

Luke Skywalker was clearly the central character of the Star Wars universe when Lucas was writing ANH and ESB. So when he claims that the story has "always" been about Anakin/Vader, then I can't help but think that someone needs to take a fire extinguisher to George Lucas' pants because they must be on fire.

El Chuxter
03-20-2013, 12:28 AM
I kinda ignored it, to be honest. The appeal of Palpatine has always been that he has no redeeming features; to make him noble just doesn't fly.

Tycho
03-20-2013, 11:59 AM
I agree. Palpatine is not noble. However, well-written characters are not black-and-white, 2 dimensional. Palpatine can do some good things.

Taking EU into account, as we are here anyway, starting from Darth Plageuis:

Palpatine had Force talents that he kept hidden. He feared his own angry misuse of them.

He was a spoiled rich kid being raised on Naboo and his father became ensnared in political intrigue over corporate development contracts being sought my Damosk Holdings (Darth Plageuis' huge pharmaceuticals company's financing branch from Muun).

Plagueis wanted to exploit the anger Palpatine had towards his disciplinarian father and manipulate his father at the same time, also named Palpatine - the family last name. Plageuis could then develop on Naboo and destroy their environment using their planet's core energy (eventually Kamino sufficed - but they were probably originally going to manufacture the clones on Naboo but the Sith thought better of it and hid them on Kamino. That could have worked, btw, because Naboo was going to need better defenses as the Sith were preparing the Trade Federation to invade at the same time, making the Republic look weak and in need of a standing army as it were - and as it eventually happened.).

Anyway, the future Darth Sidious did not use his first name at all, because it was something his father (Cosigna Palpatine) gave him. He just went by Palpatine because fate had made him that way (of that family on Naboo).

Plageuis discovered Palpatine was Force talented and trained him. Palpatine murdered his own family when he got angry he was being sent to a university away from Damosk (because his father didn't like Darth Plageuis - though he didn't know Damosk by that name).

Palpatine's quest always became gaining power. He wanted control over everything.

Since the Yuuzhan Vong posed of a threat - which he could have learned of from Darth Plageuis or on his own - after he was already a Sith Apprentice - he would not want the Vong and their "embrace of pain" crap controlling HIS life for sure.

Thus, yes, he had weapons of mass destruction at his disposal to defeat the Vong which he learned were coming. But it was for PALPATINE alone that he would stop them as he did not want to live under their religion and he was convinced the Sith were more powerful than the Vong. The Jedi needed to be done away with anyway, but Palpatine did not do away with all Force-talented adepts - as evidenced by Galen Marek and Mara Jade just to name two.

He was trying to raise Dark Jedi in the Clone Wars cartoon - the babies that the Kyber Crystal revealed which Cad Bane was hired to retrieve. Remember?

JediTricks
03-21-2013, 04:31 PM
Now you're making me think that I need to take the time to read the Thrawn trilogy. I don't want to oversell it, it's not the best thing ever, there are flaws and rough parts, but I think as a trilogy it was quite enjoyable and had a good sense of Star Wars magic and a decent finale for what was trying to be done. If you have the free time, it's worth checking out, it's a fine read on its own merits.


Yeah, I kind of take it with a grain of salt, since Lucas changes his mind so much. And I definitely don't buy the claim the Star Wars has always been about Darth Vader. That was clearly not the case in the OT, he just ended up becoming such a powerful and iconic character (which almost had nothing to do with George Lucas whatsoever), that he kind of became a central character after the fact.

Luke Skywalker was clearly the central character of the Star Wars universe when Lucas was writing ANH and ESB. So when he claims that the story has "always" been about Anakin/Vader, then I can't help but think that someone needs to take a fire extinguisher to George Lucas' pants because they must be on fire.Were they corduroy? ;)

Annnyway, that tasteless joke aside, I wonder if Lucas truly knows what he had in mind anymore, or maybe he is just winging it and saying these things to sound important.



I kinda ignored it, to be honest. The appeal of Palpatine has always been that he has no redeeming features; to make him noble just doesn't fly.Wise, that whole tangent sounds really bad and just wrong-headed for a Sith.

Tycho
03-21-2013, 05:38 PM
Wise, that whole tangent sounds really bad and just wrong-headed for a Sith.

The Vong were a threat to Palpatine's power. He didn't plot to save the galaxy for its residents' sake. He did it for his own to hold on to power as the ranking Sith Lord.

The KOTOR Jedi would try to appease the Vong and make peace with them. Luke's NJO responded a bit like the Sith would: complete genocidal anihilation. The difference? When the Vong's leadership was brought down, Luke let the civilians willing to assimilate settle down. Had Darth Sidious been in power: he would have ordered total extermination (to a degree - he did not entirely care about wiping out every Jedi in hiding - just the ones that caused trouble as they appeared - like some guy named Kenobi on his Death Star). Vader obsessed with hunting down the Jedi because he misplaced blame for Padme's death on the Jedi Order denying him and for their faults in methodology for fighting the Clone Wars - everything else he got mad about.

To recap:

Mace Windu with the Vong: "How do you feel about peace today?" ....."Embrace your pain!"

Luke Skywalker with the Vong: "Now that your on your knees since we cut your feet off, I'll listen to you beg!" ...."Please spare me."

Darth Sidious with the Vong: "Die!" .......the dead don't respond

It illustrates how the NJO differs from the KOTOR, but is still significantly different from The Sith.

Tycho
03-28-2013, 10:47 AM
I have the titles!

Episode 7: a new flare

Episode 8: the lens flares back

Episode 9: return of the lens flare

bigbarada
04-01-2013, 02:19 AM
I don't want to oversell it, it's not the best thing ever, there are flaws and rough parts, but I think as a trilogy it was quite enjoyable and had a good sense of Star Wars magic and a decent finale for what was trying to be done. If you have the free time, it's worth checking out, it's a fine read on its own merits.

I read a bunch of Star Wars novels when I was in Korea, but that was because I spent so much time on radio watch for hours and hours at a time with nothing to do. Now, when I pick up a Star Wars book I get 2 sentences in and then realize that there are about a million more productive things I can be doing with my time.

I even bought some old Star Trek novels (at like 25¢ each on eBay) and I get about a chapter or two into those and I start to feel guilty that I'm wasting my time there as well.

However, I've logged over 600 hours playing Skyrim on my XBox... go figure.

So, unless Disney announces that Ep7 is going to be named "Heir to the Empire" then I doubt that I will ever really get around to reading those books.

JediTricks
04-03-2013, 03:43 PM
I read a bunch of Star Wars novels when I was in Korea, but that was because I spent so much time on radio watch for hours and hours at a time with nothing to do. Now, when I pick up a Star Wars book I get 2 sentences in and then realize that there are about a million more productive things I can be doing with my time.

I even bought some old Star Trek novels (at like 25¢ each on eBay) and I get about a chapter or two into those and I start to feel guilty that I'm wasting my time there as well.

However, I've logged over 600 hours playing Skyrim on my XBox... go figure.

So, unless Disney announces that Ep7 is going to be named "Heir to the Empire" then I doubt that I will ever really get around to reading those books.I hear ya on the novels, it's easy to read when you've got to kill that much time, but when you have other stuff it's really hard to justify it. That said, reading is WAY more rewarding mentally than TV and video games because the reader is actively creating in their imagination the scenes they are reading about. For a long time I wasn't reading at all, then I got a hand-me-down e-reader and that... rekindled (sorry) my interest in books, so when I make time to read I find it more rewarding overall.

Trek novels are tough, what era? I was buying a lot of used trek for a quarter at my local used book shop about a decade back and generally hating 1 out of 3, but enjoying just as many. Trek has a LOT of different voices, that's both good and bad.

As for HTTE trilogy, I think you're ultimately going to be missing out a little, especially if Ep 7 sucks, because these books work on the Star Wars level where most others I've read don't.

bigbarada
04-03-2013, 11:43 PM
I hear ya on the novels, it's easy to read when you've got to kill that much time, but when you have other stuff it's really hard to justify it. That said, reading is WAY more rewarding mentally than TV and video games because the reader is actively creating in their imagination the scenes they are reading about. For a long time I wasn't reading at all, then I got a hand-me-down e-reader and that... rekindled (sorry) my interest in books, so when I make time to read I find it more rewarding overall.

Trek novels are tough, what era? I was buying a lot of used trek for a quarter at my local used book shop about a decade back and generally hating 1 out of 3, but enjoying just as many. Trek has a LOT of different voices, that's both good and bad.

As for HTTE trilogy, I think you're ultimately going to be missing out a little, especially if Ep 7 sucks, because these books work on the Star Wars level where most others I've read don't.

I started reading Star Trek books very heavily in high school. From about 1987-1988, just as the Next Generation-themed novels started being published; but I only read the first one of those. So most of the books I read took place during the original TV show era or the early movie era (pre-Star Trek V).

I think I read about 26 of the books as a kid and you're right that not all of them were good. I did learn which writers to follow for the most part, though. My favorite was Diane Duane who wrote The Romulan Way and is still THE expert on Romulans as far as I'm concerned. Other good writers were Diane Carey and Vonda N. McIntyre. Books like The Romulan Way, Final Frontier (which had absolutely nothing in common with the movie), Strangers From the Sky (written by Margaret Wander Bonanno), Enterprise (which had absolutely nothing to do with the TV series), The Wounded Sky, Dreadnought!, etc. really shaped my view of not just Star Trek but sci-fi in general.

After Star Trek V: The Final Frontier was released, I kind of gave up on the novels and started to lose interest in Star Trek in general. Just because it was clear that they were rewriting everything with no concern for what had already been established in the books. Which is EXACTLY what I expect to happen with the sequel trilogy.

JediTricks
04-07-2013, 06:10 PM
The great thing about those pre-TNG books was that the publisher was willing to exploit fan writers for print, so if someone had an imagination similar to your own you could eventually find their works. The bad thing, of course, is that some fans write like fans and make fannish books that fall victim to big mistakes.

I read Final Frontier in my TNG years, it was an interesting novel but a bit convoluted. Then 2009's movie came along and made it look NOT CONVOLUTED AT ALL BY COMPARISON, holy crap.

The Romulan Way, I think my mom owned it and I never read it.

Seems like after Gene died, Paramount forgot to put the "science fiction" in Trek novels, they started looking at how Lucasfilm was publishing stories and copying that type of "build a brand" vision instead of just making Trek novels that allowed readers to think for themselves.

Canon is a tough one in Trek novels, I think how I've always seen it is that the shows get to pick and choose what they wanted to use, like Data's cat Spot, despite throwing out a lot of that novel's content (I don't even remember which one it is unfortunately but I remember it being a soft counterpoint to Measure of a Man). It's too bad you can't go back again, for some readers I guess it's like the canon has closed the doors on those novels' possibilities.

Tycho
04-07-2013, 09:59 PM
There are a few Trek novels I've always wanted to read:

Best Destiny about Kirk and his father - before the Abrahms movie retconned that.

Sarek - similar with Spock and his dad.

Probe - about the space probe sent to communicate with the whales in Star Trek 4.

I think it was mostly classic Trek books, but some set after the events that saw Sisko's loss from Deep Space Nine interested me - as to how Colonel Kira would continue on.

Never got to them and I'm currently re-reading ALL the Star Wars EU in chronological order, but finding I'm not enthusiastic about learning about Darth Malgus, post Mandalorian Wars. In that pre-prequel EU, I really like Ulic Qel Droma and Zayne Carrick's generations.

I didn't really get into Revan's character that much either (not a gamer).

Mr. JabbaJohnL
04-17-2013, 03:57 PM
Disney and Lucasfilm announced today (http://www.comingsoon.net/news/cinemaconnews.php?id=103129) that, starting in 2015, there will be a new Star Wars movie every summer, including the new trilogy and the spin-offs. That sounds a little nuts, but it's not ridiculous - Episode VII in 2015, a spinoff each for 2016 and 2017, and Episode VIII in 2018. Wow.

El Chuxter
04-17-2013, 03:59 PM
Man, I hope they don't dilute the brand. Then again, the high quality of all those Tinkerbell movies gives me hope.

JediTricks
04-17-2013, 04:18 PM
I wonder if they're looking to supplement the Marvel movies' domination of the summer box office, or if this is a sign that they are planning to dial those down and replace them with these.

This is a very bold step. Honestly, the quality better be there, Marvel could enjoy missteps like "Thor" (not to say it's bad, but it's not as good as the others due to how small its scope was) because they had few other movies to compare to, but Star Wars already has 6 successful movies under its belt, the fans are not going to be as forgiving.

El Chuxter
04-17-2013, 04:23 PM
...but Star Wars already has 6 successful movies under its belt, the fans are not going to be as forgiving.
With two of those being pretty undisputed as two of the best movies ever made.

JediTricks
04-17-2013, 05:18 PM
Hey wait, how is this going to work with 2015 as the start date? Didn't JJ Abrams claim he didn't think he'd be able to deliver a film in that short amount of time? What, they just drove another dump truck full of cash up to his house and he bought more talent and skill with it to overcome that hurdle?!? It takes as long as it takes, except when you get paid more, then you get the same quality in 2/3rds the time? No.

Mr. JabbaJohnL
04-17-2013, 05:34 PM
Maybe that report wasn't so accurate? (http://variety.com/2013/film/news/disney-planning-for-2015-2017-and-2019-openings-for-star-wars-1200380582/?utm_source=sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=breakingnewsalert#1/johnnydepp_cinemacon/) Variety says that Alan Horn said the new trilogy will be released "every other year," and I wonder if this was misheard by other outlets as "every year."

As far as JJ thinking it might not be 2015, I think it's just that - the studio will say it's 2015, while JJ can keep hemming and hawing on how long it's going to take. He didn't confirm it wouldn't be 2015, just that he'd take the time to get it right.

Lord Malakite
04-17-2013, 10:41 PM
Maybe that report wasn't so accurate? (http://variety.com/2013/film/news/disney-planning-for-2015-2017-and-2019-openings-for-star-wars-1200380582/?utm_source=sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=breakingnewsalert#1/johnnydepp_cinemacon/) Variety says that Alan Horn said the new trilogy will be released "every other year," and I wonder if this was misheard by other outlets as "every year."
From what I heard Disney's plan is going to be to alternate between trilogy sequel and spinoff every year like this.
2015 - Episode VII
2016 - Spinoff movie 1
2017 - Episode VIII
2018 - Spinoff movie 2
2019 - Episode IX

Tycho
04-19-2013, 02:29 PM
The spin-offs could be awesome though:

Han Solo
Boba Fett
Darth Vader
Yoda

It's got to be these.

Pre-TPM might not be as popular.

There remains the possibility that spin-off movies will be inspired by sequel trilogy characters:

Jaina and Jacen Solo
Corran Horn
Kyle Katarn
new charaters dealing with the Yuuzhan Vong invasion
Grand Admiral Thrawn
Mara Jade
Gavin Darklighter (if they don't choose Wedge and Tycho during or after OT)

Mr. JabbaJohnL
06-13-2013, 12:14 PM
The Celebration Europe site (http://www.starwarscelebration.eu/en/Whats-Happening/Events-I-R/Legendary-Artists-at-Celebration-Europe/) updated to day to mention that concept artists Doug Chiang and Iain McCaig will be coming to the convention - and are also "reunited at the start of this year as part of the team Lucasfilm President Kathleen Kennedy has assembled to create an exciting new future for Star Wars." The Facebook page has a photo that says they are "shaping the look of the new movies."

I'm very excited that they're returning for the new films, as I loved their work on the prequels. It really sounds like Kennedy is bringing back some of the best talent from previous SW projects, and I'm glad that the prequels aren't being neglected here.

JediTricks
06-16-2013, 03:00 PM
I didn't like Doug Chiang's work too much on the prequels, he's got a very specific vision and it doesn't feel Star Warsy to me, it's a pretense of practicality that comes after the idea of a shape and a curve has already entered the fray. I can't put my finger on it, but seeing his non-SW design work from the '90s makes it really obvious that he's got something else in mind.

Iain McCaig's SW character design work didn't remind me of SW at all most of the time, he made some things work but he's so worried about being ornate and layered and shapey without a lot of logic or sense.

Tycho
06-17-2013, 03:18 AM
Not to change the subject too much off of the movie / vehicle designs, but a lot more (new) rumors are surfacing about casting Jaina (Solo) Fel.

Also that the movie will open with the slaying of Darth Caedus by his tough, but damaged twin sister.

I really hope the casting and feature of Jaina Fel will be true.

bigbarada
06-17-2013, 01:15 PM
I didn't like Doug Chiang's work too much on the prequels, he's got a very specific vision and it doesn't feel Star Warsy to me, it's a pretense of practicality that comes after the idea of a shape and a curve has already entered the fray. I can't put my finger on it, but seeing his non-SW design work from the '90s makes it really obvious that he's got something else in mind.

Iain McCaig's SW character design work didn't remind me of SW at all most of the time, he made some things work but he's so worried about being ornate and layered and shapey without a lot of logic or sense.

I agree about Chiang. He has a "design for design's" sake style that doesn't really fit when you want practical, believable vehicle designs. Sure the OT designs were pretty out there, but everything felt like it had a function. I could never figure out what practical function those long needlepoints served on the Naboo Fighters.

I liked Iain McCaig's work, but I do see what you mean about being too ornate. Which again seemed to be more about design than practicality.

Mr. JabbaJohnL
06-17-2013, 03:50 PM
I agree about Chiang. He has a "design for design's" sake style that doesn't really fit when you want practical, believable vehicle designs. Sure the OT designs were pretty out there, but everything felt like it had a function. I could never figure out what practical function those long needlepoints served on the Naboo Fighters.

I liked Iain McCaig's work, but I do see what you mean about being too ornate. Which again seemed to be more about design than practicality.
I never saw that as a flaw of Chiang's design, but a hallmark of Naboo's design, and the time period in which it took place. That was kind of the point - they were able to take the time and design things for form over function. As the war machine ramped up, the designs became more sparse and utilitarian. You could apply the same thinking to the costumes.

As a side note, if everything had a function in the OT, can you tell me what exactly is the point of a twin-pod cloud car? :p

JediTricks
06-17-2013, 04:12 PM
I agree about Chiang. He has a "design for design's" sake style that doesn't really fit when you want practical, believable vehicle designs. Sure the OT designs were pretty out there, but everything felt like it had a function. I could never figure out what practical function those long needlepoints served on the Naboo Fighters.It's weird, it's like Chiang is hiding his impracticalities, giving designs a single functional area and then here's a curve for no reason, there's a hanging bit, here's a rivet line where joining wouldn't make sense, have a strut too thin to work, etc., all built around a premise - walking droid, landing craft, what have you. Everything he does seems to have a dangling element and a curve, and not enough logic.


I liked Iain McCaig's work, but I do see what you mean about being too ornate. Which again seemed to be more about design than practicality.The ornate thing gets into the characters too, it's really odd. His work has a presence on page, but seems too "look at me, look at all the stuff I and my costume are doing" for the screen, it's very... thick in a way, very full to the point where it distracts from the forest simply to show off the trees. How would Sio Bibble have looked on the screen if this is what he was meant to be? http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20061117040449/starwars/images/5/5c/Sio_Bibble_concept.jpg



I never saw that as a flaw of Chiang's design, but a hallmark of Naboo's design, and the time period in which it took place. That was kind of the point - they were able to take the time and design things for form over function. As the war machine ramped up, the designs became more sparse and utilitarian. You could apply the same thinking to the costumes.

As a side note, if everything had a function in the OT, can you tell me what exactly is the point of a twin-pod cloud car? :pSio Bibble there isn't merely ornate or opulent, he's got a cow-catcher on his neck. It's an idea without a reason, nobody would be able to talk or move around in that sort of thing. It's like a fetishwear design portfolio, it's not meant to exist, it's merely meant to titillate the artist and/or audience.

The cloud car design is basically a pair of police motorcycle sidecars, the isolation of each cockpit requires far less weight than a larger, 2-man cabin vehicle.

El Chuxter
06-17-2013, 06:05 PM
I'm going to be the one defending the prequels? Oh, the irony! :)

I recall reading somewhere back in 1999 or thereabouts that the prequel-era designs were supposed to reflect an air of decadence, where, for instance, people were designing starfighters to look fancy and sophisticated, but without taking into account what the ship was for (since, later EU notwithstanding, the movie was supposed to take place after centuries or even millennia of galactic peace). As the prequels progressed, the designs became more utilitarian (like JJL said).

JediTricks
06-17-2013, 07:01 PM
I'm going to be the one defending the prequels? Oh, the irony! :)

I recall reading somewhere back in 1999 or thereabouts that the prequel-era designs were supposed to reflect an air of decadence, where, for instance, people were designing starfighters to look fancy and sophisticated, but without taking into account what the ship was for (since, later EU notwithstanding, the movie was supposed to take place after centuries or even millennia of galactic peace). As the prequels progressed, the designs became more utilitarian (like JJL said).I understand all that, but looking at the designs in the Art of Ep 1, it's not the opulence that's at issue, it's the expression and style, it's design for design's sake over practicality. That's the difference. For example: epaulets on a shoulder are not there for no reason, there's a history behind their development. Shiny buttons are still buttons. Sashes have meaning even if they seem fanciful. But the prequel designs don't have that sense of "this had meaning once and has been turned decadent", the tails on the Naboo Fighters overwhelm the shape of that fighter, it's not like it's a streamlined plane, it's a trio of tails with the ideas of a plane at the front, it's out of balance.

El Chuxter
06-17-2013, 07:06 PM
I took it as ceremonial ornateness taken to an absurd extreme where practicality started to suffer. Eh, to each his own. :)

Tycho
06-18-2013, 09:28 AM
On the N-1, I always liked how the underside reminded me of a boat, and Naboo has a lot of water.

I think these ships could make water landings by design.

JediTricks
06-18-2013, 01:58 PM
I took it as ceremonial ornateness taken to an absurd extreme where practicality started to suffer. Eh, to each his own. :)My point was meant to be that it's not just the Naboo royalty, it's EVERYTHING.
http://www.artstormfineart.com/StarWars/SWPTLTD02XL.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_oR7sYJzWZ1k/TPMwjJyAjoI/AAAAAAAAAgA/lVVMG9nFLJw/s1600/PhotoshopSnapz005.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-CrlZ_hC-H5g/UGxSvUvbQbI/AAAAAAAATNo/yQGZ-3hl1bc/s1600/Star_wars_Ian+McCaig_jar-jar-book3.jpg
How do you put those on? WHY do you put those on? How do you move in them? How do they lead in any way to Star Wars A New Hope? Why is Maul wearing feathers on a wire around his head?


As for the Naboo Fighters being boats, they'd sink immediately, all their weight is in the front.

Tycho
06-18-2013, 05:35 PM
As for the Naboo Fighters being boats, they'd sink immediately, all their weight is in the front.

Laughing out loud.

Tycho
06-20-2013, 12:58 PM
OK, I've been scouring the news for Star Wars 7 info.

I don't have spoilers, so don't worry about what I'll post next. (with the caveat that I have some official cast search news - but not the character specific names - so we can speculate only).

First though, they asked a bunch of celebrities if they'd play in Star Wars:

Ewan McGreggor would like to come back. He said he pretty much wanted to keep continuity for Obi-Wan, and would play his spirit or Kenobi in a pre-ANH spot. [yes - there's no other serious choice -but having the real Obi-Wan come back!] To be Sir Alec Guiness' ghost Obi-Wan, make-up will have to make Ewan look much older. (over 20 years older than Ewan is)

Mila Kunis - not interested. Likes J.J. Abrams but is a huge Star TREK fan, especially of TNG she said. Mila would look for a role in a new Star TREK movie. She spoke in some very knowledgeable detail about Star Trek.

Interestingly enough from the current Star TREK cast:

Zoe Saldana (Lt. Uhura) said she'd love to play a role in a J.J. Abrams Star Wars movie. She's a big Star Wars (and obviously Star TREK) fan. She was excellent in Columbiana and as Uhura, and in Avatar. My thoughts are: if Zoe does not play a human or has a significantly different hair style, or portrays a different age character than Nyota Uhura, I could enjoy that. But Zoe's way Star Trek now, having taken a big supporting role.

Zach Quinto (Cmdr. Spock) - said he's already signed on to do Star Wars. He's playing an Ewok. He wants to try some different ears.

Chris Pine (Capt. Kirk) - interviewed with Quinto, said he's also signed on and he's playing the Millennium Falcon. Uh-huh.

Obviously the two Star Trek leads have plenty of experience messing around with J.J. Abrams' projects. And in spite of his voice fading out, and in contrast to rumors, I think Quinto said he's already signed to play Spock again. I know he really liked the last Trek movie (Into The Darkness).


Nicholas Cage is far more intellectual than I had expected. I think it would be great to put him and Kevin Smith in a room together and just let them talk about Star Wars. From what I heard from Cage, I think he'd be more appreciative of Star Trek, however.

Tycho
06-20-2013, 01:10 PM
Oh - the cast call news:

1) male actor in late teens. Based on Harrison, Carrie, and Mark's ages, this ought to be BEN SKYWALKER. However, speculation is strong that it's Jacen Solo because....

2) female actor in late teens. Ben could have a love interest?

3) female actor...there was not much description, like the age, but the requirement that she be physically fit - as was the requirement for all these characters.

4) another male actor in late teens. Now Anakin Solo is dead by the EU accounts, and he would've been over a decade older than Ben Skywalker anyway. This could be Jagged Fel, Jaina Solo's love interest - if Jaina is in her late teens. *** Now if Jaina (should be 32 by Carrie and Mark's age now) is 10 years younger, than Carrie will play Princess Leia in her late 40's while she's actually in or about to her 60's. Not sure about that one, unless Carrie is not prominently featured, which would be disappointing, because while I know the movie is primarily going to kick off adventures for the new younger generation (Jaina, Ben, Allanah?) it would be nice to use the original cast while we have them there. Mark (as Luke) especially. I suppose hair color can fix Harrison.

5) speaking of - male in his 70's who is sarcastic and experienced. Sounds like Han, before they may have confirmed Harrison returning in the role. But if Han is in his 70's, Jaina is definitely got to be in her 30's or late 20's.

And there were supposedly 7 cast descriptives, but I forgot the others.

I did hear that Ewan McGreggor speculated that the male in his 70's would be him (made to look older) as the ghost of Ben Kenobi. Ewan can't confirm that. He hasn't been asked. I'm a huge fan of his work, but in the stand-alone Vader, Solo, Fett, and Yoda movies that have been rumored, Ewan is better suited to playing the younger Obi-Wan, Clone Wars era or post-ROTS.

I'm fine with him playing Alec Guiness' Obi-Wan when he's a little older, but they can do wonders with makeup.

Mr. JabbaJohnL
06-20-2013, 03:22 PM
TheForce.net confirmed (http://www.theforce.net/story/front/Authentic_Star_Wars_Episode_VII_Casting_Details_Le ak_Online_152667.asp) via Lucasfilm that the casting call is the real deal. These descriptions are so incredibly vague, but it has a wide range of ages, from two late-teen females to a 70-something male.


Late-teen female, independent, good sense of humour, fit.

Young twenty-something male, witty and smart, fit but not traditionally good looking.

A late twentysomething male, fit, handsome and confident.

Seventy-something male, with strong opinions and tough demeanour. Also doesn’ t need to be particularly fit.

A second young female, also late teens, tough, smart and fit.

Forty something male, fit, military type.

Thirtysomething male, intellectual. Apparently doesn’t need to be fit.

Bel-Cam Jos
06-26-2013, 03:31 PM
Nice to know that Hollywood is into fitness, rather than acting ability. Now, which one does CGI fix again?

Tycho
06-27-2013, 10:23 PM
Fitness, health, attractiveness are all qualities that cause other people to gravitate towards and appreciate individuals displaying those qualities.

Interesting as it relates to Star Wars, has there ever been a Hutt trained as a Jedi?

I might later experiment with writing for characters in my own books who are overweight and not capable of everything stereotypical heroism requires of them (Batman / Jedi style type stunts).

However, people can be heroic by being brave and being hackers or otherwise sterling researchers, in defiance of dangerous powers. Maybe Snowden and Assange are such people today? (Maybe)

In any event, they might be even more brave risking death or other punishment because if they complete their mission, they would not be able to fend off a SWAT or INTERPOL team sent to take them (or Sith or other enemies of the Jedi, provided a physically less capable character is a Jedi).

Come to think of it, Qui-Gon Jinn's alluded-as-an-old-girlfriend Tahl, who ran the Jedi Library before Jocasta Nu, had been blinded in the course of doing her duty. While she was physically fit and could sometimes "see through the Force," she was nevertheless disabled to a degree - physically.

But would a physically disabled person get to start out as a Jedi. I actually think "yes."

They could use the Force in many numerous ways instead of just for previewing physical acts against them and using martial arts skills (Tera Kasi, Jedi Arts, etc.) to overcome their adversaries.

I think it's interesting to write for them. As to whether there would be strong public acceptance? Probably not. For several things:

being physically UNfit is a health hazard that's dangerous and not something that would be good to promote.

That is different from providing a hero like others who lost their health to inspire them that they can contribute.


Even going that route with a central character could work.

However, the next Star Wars trilogy will focus on the Skywalker-Solo descendants of very physically fit characters. Would Han, Leia, or especially Luke encourage their next generation to be physically unhealthy or limited? Not off the cuff. Maybe if they were disabled. Tenel Ka (Jacen Solo's wife - if included in the movie at all) lost her arm in lightsaber training. However, as a Dathomirian Clan warrior in addition to Hapan Crown royalty, it's not in her nature to let herself go even though she refused a prosthetic droid arm.

I think that the main SW characters will not yield NOT-physically fit offspring.

Now if the Ice-Cream-Maker-Guy had a Force-sensitive child who was exposed to too much ice cream in their formative years...

JediTricks
06-28-2013, 12:53 AM
Nice to know that Hollywood is into fitness, rather than acting ability. Now, which one does CGI fix again?I dunno BCJ, have you seen the prequels? Some of that acting was "fixed" by CGI, and it's a magnum opus beloved by billions worldwide now, right? Oh, wait, the other one, "no".

Bel-Cam Jos
06-28-2013, 09:37 AM
Fitness, health, attractiveness are all qualities that cause other people to gravitate towards and appreciate individuals displaying those qualities.

Interesting as it relates to Star Wars, has there ever been a Hutt trained as a Jedi?

I might later experiment with writing for characters in my own books who are overweight and not capable of everything stereotypical heroism requires of them (Batman / Jedi style type stunts).

But would a physically disabled person get to start out as a Jedi. I actually think "yes."There were a couple Hutt Jedi in EU stories; I found those were poor plotlines.

Would Luke (or Vader) qualify for a handicapped spaceport parking pass, with his hand issue?

Mr. JabbaJohnL
07-27-2013, 08:39 AM
Kathleen Kennedy confirmed that John Williams will score Episode VII (http://starwars.com/news/star-wars-celebration-europe-2013-john-williams-to-score-star-wars-episode-vii.html)! From the unofficial news that made it out of the panel, it sounds like he'll be working on all three in the trilogy. This news has me as giddy as Salacious Crumb. :D Giacchino could have potentially made a good choice, and I wonder if he'll still score one of the spin-off movies or something, but Williams is pretty integral to Star Wars, so I'm very excited.

JediTricks
07-27-2013, 01:31 PM
After the prequels, I dunno if I'm excited anymore. I'm not sure if the scores to the prequels was off because Williams just no longer as the magic, or if he was representing the different flavor of the prequels, but there were many scenes in the prequels that could have used more of the classic SW feel and instead went with Harry Potter-esque tones.

Snowtrooper
07-27-2013, 08:51 PM
Glad to hear that Williams is on board. I don't think its a SW movie without him. He did some great work on the prequels. My only complaint with his prequel work was that he seemed like he was trying to establish the emotion of every scene with music, when alot of times it wasn't necessary. IMO its a case of where less would've been more.

El Chuxter
07-27-2013, 10:17 PM
AOTC was a bit weak, but not awful; TPM and particularly ROTS more than made up for that one, though, IMHO.

Still, if they're bringing him onboard for a trilogy, I hope he can finish it. Not being pessimistic (any John Williams is good in my book, except maybe Heartbeeps or Sleepers), but the guy is 81.

Darth Metalmute
07-27-2013, 10:44 PM
I hated the fact that The final duel with Dooku in ROTS has no background music at all.

Bel-Cam Jos
07-28-2013, 10:42 AM
Maybe this will lead to some unreleased music being sold, instead of reruns in new packaging. Huh, HUH! whatever-company-owns-Star-Wars-music-now?!? :mad:

Mr. JabbaJohnL
07-28-2013, 07:26 PM
There were no other Episode VII-related announcements at the rest of CEII, but Mark Hamill had this to say at his panel (http://starwarsblog.starwars.com/index.php/2013/07/28/swce-2013-mark-hamill-the-jedi-returns-panel-liveblog/):

“They’re working on the new movies and I hope to be a part of it,” Hamill says. Big applause. “If they’re going to do this thing, how can I miss out on something that exciting?”
I was thinking they'd at least confirm his and Carrie's involvement, but not so. Still, this is pretty good on its own. D23 is in two weeks, and while the official line is that it's mostly going to be a retrospective to bring Disney fans into the SW universe, I bet they'll reveal something there.

The Star Wars Underworld (https://twitter.com/TheSWU/status/361477092606623744) tweeted that Mark Hamill voiced a "Darth something" on The Clone Wars, though the official recap left that part out. If true, I would really like to see it finished for the bonus content.

Bel-Cam Jos
07-29-2013, 10:05 AM
There were no other Episode VII-related announcements at the rest of CEII, but Mark Hamill had this to say at his panel (http://starwarsblog.starwars.com/index.php/2013/07/28/swce-2013-mark-hamill-the-jedi-returns-panel-liveblog/):

I was thinking they'd at least confirm his and Carrie's involvement, but not so. Still, this is pretty good on its own. D23 is in two weeks, and while the official line is that it's mostly going to be a retrospective to bring Disney fans into the SW universe, I bet they'll reveal something there.

The Star Wars Underworld (https://twitter.com/TheSWU/status/361477092606623744) tweeted that Mark Hamill voiced a "Darth something" on The Clone Wars, though the official recap left that part out. If true, I would really like to see it finished for the bonus content.It was Darth Ko-jer, if I remember right: a maniacally-laughing villain with green hair. ;)

I am still wondering if there will be any E-VII script announcements.

Tycho
07-29-2013, 11:36 PM
I loved "Across the Stars" from AOTC. Great tragic theme.

There was no music when Vader fought Obi-Wan on the Death Star - and for a large part of the duel on Bespin.

The Dooku duel at the beginning of ROTS also did not have any music IIRC.

I loved the incorporation of the original tragic Force theme when Anakin gets on to Owen's bike to search for his mother, also in AOTC.

Mr. JabbaJohnL
07-30-2013, 11:36 PM
I am still wondering if there will be any E-VII script announcements.

Kennedy said they're still going over the story for now. Probably best that they take the time to get it right.

Tycho
07-31-2013, 02:39 AM
Gosh I hope there will be Mouse Droids in the new movies!

Mr. JabbaJohnL
10-24-2013, 04:08 PM
StarWars.com announced a list of crew members for the film today:

http://starwars.com/news/master-filmmaking-team-announced-for-star-wars.html

Of note is that Michael Arndt is no longer working on the script - instead it's Lawrence Kasdan and JJ Abrams. I'm a little saddened that Arndt isn't involved anymore, and I don't know how Abrams is as a writer, but Kasdan should do well here. I don't recognize many of the names, but Ben Burtt and Matt Wood are confirmed to be back, which is fairly obvious but still great to hear.

Tycho
10-30-2013, 02:23 AM
I read an article that Harrison Ford has finally signed on - for 3 new movies as Han Solo!

Also in his contract was that Disney would move to turning out a script for Indiana Jones 5 before the end of 2014.

It is no secret that Han Solo is second to Indiana Jones in Ford's heart.

He required seeing a brand new story arc for Han Solo taking him through all 3 new movies (Ep 7-9).

Though the story is rumored to turn to the "usual Star Wars age" generation of 20-30 somethings, - (Jaina Ben, Allanah - well she's 9), it appears Grandpa Solo is going to have a big role to play, as Harrison basically got that guaranteed in his contract.

I hope he will start to love the new Han Solo as much as we expect to, as then his performance will really shine. And he is the clout carrying cast member with the most weight in this new Star Wars project.

Jaina (Fel) Solo continues to be strongly rumored.

Less has been said about Ben Skywalker, but George Lucas had said he'd planned on showing Luke training his son.

Jaina 32 (possibly Empress of the Fel Dynasty of the true Galactic Empire)
Ben 22 (Luke's son with Mara Skywalker)
Allanah 9 (the late Jacen Solo / Darth Caedus' daughter with Tenel Ka of the Hapan Empire)

Adding fuel to the validity fire behind one part of this, is that Del Rey Books had been asked to prepare a 3 book trilogy starring Jaina Solo (Fel?) to begin coming to market throughout 2014 into 2015.

It seems the EU will have a role in the movies. I hope so. And that does not mean you need to read "Children of the Jedi" or "Planet of Twilight" - spare yourself a lot of misery.

"New Jedi Order" will likely be essential though.

That could also mean Chewbacca will remain dead. A new actor cast for the role of Chewie could be for a between movie with a young Han Solo. In that, Darth Vader, Ian McDiarmid as Palpatine, Jimmy Smits as Bail Organa, and Temmura Morrison or Daniel Logan as Boba Fett might return.

With Disney setting up between-movies to come out during non-Episode movie years, they can totally mislead us on 7-8-9 by saying "Yoda is in the next movie," etc.

Note that Ewan McGreggor wants to come back and could just as well be in ANY Star Wars movie. But we all love Ewan!

Darth Metalmute
10-30-2013, 09:30 PM
That could also mean Chewbacca will remain dead. A new actor cast for the role of Chewie could be for a between movie with a young Han Solo.

I doubt they would stay true to the NJO story and allow Chewie to be killed off off screen. Same thing with Jaina/Jacen. I doubt they would pick up a story line of one twin dead and one alive off camera.

Bel-Cam Jos
10-31-2013, 09:05 PM
Anybody get an updated SW user license agreement email lately? Since Disney bought them from Lucasfilm, their agreements aren't the same (I am guessing I got one sent since apparently I must still be registered for their Captions Contests or something).

Tycho
11-03-2013, 01:02 AM
I doubt they would stay true to the NJO story and allow Chewie to be killed off off screen. Same thing with Jaina/Jacen. I doubt they would pick up a story line of one twin dead and one alive off camera.

The thing is - in the publishing world of which I'm now a part of with my trademarked novel series (first 2 books to be released soon) - old stories still make money and you want to keep them in print if part of a series.

Splinter of the Minds Eye is still in print.

The EU worked around that so Vader confronts Luke, knowing who he is, and DECIDES NOT to tell him he's his father until he tests Luke - then later tells him in their "2nd confrontation" on Cloud City.

And people still like "Splinter."

Chewie and Jacen Solo could be killed off screen, or in an opening montage of some sort (like what you see in Tobey Maguire Spider-Man films 2 and 3) and they do not need to "waste time" going over stories the EU has already done.

THERE WERE 3 JAINA SOLO BOOKS just ordered up by Del Rey for release in 2014-2015. Casting for Han Solo's daughter (last name pretty sure to be Solo) has been confirmed by actresses who allegedly read for it but have no reason to lie about it.

Jaina's got to be in her late 20's to early 30's to match Leia's age when she had her (28 in the Thrawn trilogy). They can cast a younger actress who will eventually be Jaina's age during episode 8 or 9 filming. Carrie Fisher was 17 in her screen tests for Leia when she portrayed Leia at 19.

If they cast Chewie even for an opening montage that recovers NJO events and his death, they can hire the same actor for a broader role in a Han Solo / Boba Fett / Jabba The Hutt between movies story - likely set between ROTS and ANH with a new Young Han Solo (age 20-25 or so).

Meanwhile, they'd have to mention Jacen.

1) Who is Allanah Solo's daddy? If Carrie's joke wasn't far off the mark, that she will play Grandma Leia, then who is her grandchild? Allanah Solo. And how is that possible? Jacen Solo - Leia's son.

2) Jaina is a more complicated, established Jedi character - capable of being the tough personality that sees her become Empress Jaina Fel and founder of the Imperial Knights if she has gone through her dark journey and already killed her own brother.

3) If there is a love triangle and Zekk turns to the Dark Side, (Jaina has to wind up marrying Jag Fel, Baron Fel's son), then Jaina can be torn and have some experience with what Zekk is going through because Jaina has already confronted her own brother.

Darth Metalmute
11-03-2013, 04:17 AM
Chewie is too important of a character and has too complex of a death for an opening montage/opening credit crawl death. In order to explain his death to people who haven't read the EU, you have to mention the Vong, a planet falling on him, saving Anakin Solo, explaining who Anakin Solo is, and then explaining why he is dead. Then you have to include in the same opening montage/opening credit crawl who Jacen is, why he turned into Darth Cadus, how he is Allanah's mother, and how he met her mother.

Both stories are way to much for a single movie, let alone a 5 minute bit story.

As for the Jaina Solo three book series, that could easily be explained considering she is is the one left at this point in the EU. There is a strong possibility (and more likely) that they continue the EU as is, and the new movies go there own path.

Personally, if they chose to follow the EU, I would hope they picked it up after the Vong series but before the Cadus Series. The fall of a twin to the dark side, and the final battle between twins, is too good a story to pass up. Plus, its the easiest time frame to pick up, it meets the supposed setting, and if they decide to, they can ignore the Vong series altogether and keep Chewie alive.

Tycho
11-03-2013, 10:01 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWTtMdXAazs&sns=em

Chewie might not be in Episode 7 because Han Solo is mad at him. Apparently he slept with Princess Leia.

Harrison Ford explains it all on Jimmy Kimmel.

Darth Metalmute
11-03-2013, 02:07 PM
Then Jaina is a half human/half wookiee creature? Awesome.

Tycho
11-04-2013, 10:31 AM
Not exactly. She saw that commercial for No!No! (painless hair remover) advertised on Coruscant.

(The Star Wars version of Billy Mays looks a lot like Watto.)

Chewie bought it for her as he didn't want to break Han's heart.

But it still makes sense: Chewie's nephew Lowbacca (Lowiee) is a Wookiee Jedi and best pal of both the Solo twins. Now it can figure where Jaina could get her Jedi powers from. She's Lowiee's first cousin.

Also, if Chewie is already dead in Episode 7, we won't have that awkward moment (ripping off ESB) where Chewie say's "Jaina, I am your father!"

But Harrison Ford seems to be working up to be in character when he yells back at his old pal "No! That's not true! That's impossible!"

It's starting to feel like classic Star Wars all over again!

There is another video with J.J. Abrams and Billy Dee Williams, plus William Shatner:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDkC_EkEUCg

JJ takes suggestions from fans and accepts that Captain James T. Kirk must appear to save Star Wars and use his gifts with the ladies to convince Princess Leia to "get it on" with Chewbacca. Watch the video. This is very serious business! (and real).

Billy Dee suggests that Episode 7 should be just 2 solid hours of Lando getting it on with girls across the galaxy. (Abrams seems disappointed because the fan before Billy Dee excited Abrams by suggesting there should be a lightsaber battle in Episode 7).

That fan said that if Mark Hamill was in the movie, he should play Luke Skywalker and use a lightsaber. Abrams puzzled over this and appeared as if the thought had never occurred to him.

Then Billy Dee Williams interjects that the movie should focus on Lando's sweet love-making.

I don't know if Lando will appear in all 7,8, and 9, but Billy is obviously lobbying for the return of Calrissian in some capacity. It would be nice to see.

Note: Lando is married to a blonde white woman (Mrs. Calrissian) in the post NJO expanded universe. Maybe his cameo is when his wife shoots him because Lando also "gets it on" with Princess Leia. "Well, what have we here? I'm Lando Calrissian. I'm the administer of JJ Abrams' Star Wars pornography."

Don't worry mods - the video is clean. It was from a public broadcast. But William Shatner did hand illustrate what it would look like with Chewie and Princess Leia "doing it" but you can't see specific body parts though the "positioning" of Shatner's drawing is ummm - specific.

Tycho
01-08-2014, 06:50 PM
http://movies.yahoo.com/blogs/movie-news/lucasfilm-brings-order-star-wars-galaxy-movies-comic-191429476.html

I saw this and took the official part of the news article about the documenting the chronology to "canonize" select Expanded Universe to be interesting.

While Bea Arthur's character won't be referred to, Jaina Solo and Ben Skywalker stand a pretty good chance.

Mr. JabbaJohnL
01-11-2014, 01:36 PM
Jesse Plemons is the latest name in the casting rumor parade - if Luke ends up having a son, I think he'd be a great choice to play him.

[BREAKING BAD SPOILERS]And he would take after his grandfather with his penchant for killing younglings, so that works, too. :D [/BREAKING BAD SPOILERS]

El Chuxter
02-06-2014, 07:14 PM
Gary Oldman in Episode VII (http://spinoff.comicbookresources.com/2014/02/06/gary-oldman-approached-for-star-wars-episode-vii/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)?

Unless this is total baloney, it looks like he's been asked. I believe this would officially make him King of the Geeky Roles, with him appearing in major roles in Star Wars, Harry Potter, Batman, Planet of the Apes, Dracula, and The Fifth Element.

Bel-Cam Jos
02-07-2014, 11:01 PM
Would his character be a very old man? ;) I think he should be a bounty hunter with a heart of gold; right in between his heroic/villainous roles.

Mr. JabbaJohnL
05-16-2014, 11:20 AM
Filming has officially begun! (https://twitter.com/bad_robot/status/467168633861308416) There's some sand on the clapboard, and the official Star Wars Twitter (https://twitter.com/starwars/status/467326302379188224) posted a photo of Pinewood Studios as well, so perhaps they're filming an indoor Tatooine scene? The first day of principal photography just so happens to be the 12th anniversary of AOTC's release. May the Force be with them.

bigbarada
05-17-2014, 10:00 PM
Oh. Great. Tatooine gets to appear in another Star Wars movie. Again. :rolleyes:

For those of us hoping for fresh, new ideas, this is NOT a promising start.

Bel-Cam Jos
05-18-2014, 09:26 AM
Luke: "If you're looking for the bright center of the universe... basically here it is."
Threepio: "I figured so, sir. What with Jabba, and the Chosen One, and Han Solo, and Chalman's Cantina, plus the Boonta Eve pod racing and wild bantha herds..."
R2: "Beep bop bedeep!" [Yeah, we know already!]

Tycho
05-21-2014, 01:17 AM
Interesting bit:

There's been pick-up on the more reliable spec sites like JediNews, that Jacen Solo IS in the movie.

He has turned to the Dark Side and they have to rescue him from himself.

It is a very small role and bigger in Episode 8.

Adam Driver is NOT playing Jacen Solo, and it is an actor they are keeping secret for now - and not a principle character in E7 - as I just stated.

Daisy Ridley IS playing Jaina Solo and will be a principle "b-character" in E7 and so-on, but 2nd to Han, Leia, and Luke.

Mr. JabbaJohnL
05-21-2014, 12:24 PM
Interesting bit:

There's been pick-up on the more reliable spec sites like JediNews, that Jacen Solo IS in the movie.

He has turned to the Dark Side and they have to rescue him from himself.

It is a very small role and bigger in Episode 8.

Adam Driver is NOT playing Jacen Solo, and it is an actor they are keeping secret for now - and not a principle character in E7 - as I just stated.

Daisy Ridley IS playing Jaina Solo and will be a principle "b-character" in E7 and so-on, but 2nd to Han, Leia, and Luke.

I'd say "don't get your hopes up," but it would appear to be too late. And JediNews just sort of aggregates every piece of information they can find, which is nice and comprehensive, but I don't know how reliable they'll end up being.

Anyway, J.J. Abrams' video (http://www.sirstevesguide.com/2014/05/21/j-j-abrams-sends-message-from-episode-vii-set/) confirms Abu Dhabi for location shooting (the clapboard photo was also geotagged there, it was discovered) and shows a marketplace and new alien. It definitely looks like Tera Sinube, but without a beak or tail so it's presumably an altogether new species, which is exciting. The puppetry and costume look very intricate and interesting and I wonder if this will just be a background character – it's designed to be mobile, so it will at least be walking in a shot. Hasbro, I want this figure already, dammit! :D

Bel-Cam Jos
05-21-2014, 06:28 PM
Hasbro, I want this figure already, dammit! :DA J.J. Abrams stormtrooper with removable helmet? :rolleyes:

Mr. JabbaJohnL
06-02-2014, 12:08 PM
TMZ posted 45 leaked photos (http://www.tmz.com/2014/06/02/star-wars-episode-7-set-photos-secret-pics-new-creature/) from the Abu Dhabi shooting. Very mild SPOILERS follow...

There's a creature that's evidently a puppet of some kind and it has a comically enormous pig snout. It looks a little cartoony, but again, who knows how long it'll be onscreen. There's also an arch from McQuarrie's concept for the back door of Jabba's palace, which is very cool to see realized – and it seems to form a perimeter around a marketplace or shop of some kind. There are several human extras dressed in robes and rags, a little different in style but still with a distinct Tatooine feel to it.

Tycho
06-03-2014, 02:38 AM
My friend suggested that instead of Tatooine, it could be Hondo Ohnaka's base of operations on Florrum.

I doubt it, but that would be really cool.

Who knows how long Weequay live?

Also,

one of the new actresses might be Asajj Ventress!

The other, Gwendolyn Christie? - Mara Jade! (Yes I know the actress is about 30 years old).

Why Mara?


She can play young Mara AND made-up to look older, can play older Mara too. (Tween movies and E7 as Ben Skywalker's mom / Luke's wife).

I don't watch Game of Thrones, but it doesn't seem with Adam Driver, they need a high-profile actress as a female villain in addition to Driver's male villain.

If Christie plays a female heroine then, Mara Jade is a perfect choice. Another actress donated her red hair for a wig.

Gleason, who is surredly Luke's son and does NOT look like Mark Hamill, might look like his mother, Mara Jade.

OK - the EU might be rejected here and have no affect. But then Luke could have married a Gonk Droid or never had a son.

But I remember Lucas saying he planned for Luke to come full circle and be a better father than Darth Vader could be, and undo the damage by training his own son to be a real Jedi Knight.

If he has a son, why not name him "Herbert Skywalker?" - Oh "Ben Skywalker" makes logical sense? EU or not? Gleason's lead casting with red hair and a Tatooine Luke hair style? Then his mom could be a red head named ....Agatha Snuffulu***us? Or why not call her Mara Jade-Skywalker? Oh - that makes sense? (3 action figures later, too?)

So if JJ wants a continuous casting for Mara Jade, does he cast a 50-year old close to Mark Hamill's age and try and make her look like young Mara for a 'tween movie?

Or is it easier to cast a young actress from Game of Thrones who can pull off the lightsaber duels (the Game of Thrones star is a sword fighter) and make her up to look in her 50's when she's only 30, so he can have consistency in the role.

I thought Ian McDiarmid was 30-something when he played Palpatine in ROTJ at age 80 or something?

But I know, let's NOT use the EU and have Luke marry Treadwell and clone their child from JarJar with mixed cybernetic parts like Lobot.

That would make more sense.

Go Ben Skywalker and Mara Skywalker!

Darth Metalmute
06-03-2014, 07:20 PM
SPOILER

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Pictures of the Falcon set has been released today. Getting pretty pumped that they are using actual sets!

JediTricks
06-03-2014, 11:07 PM
And now it's official, I've had to add a Spoiler tag to Metalmute's post, so now we are in Spoilerwatch mode. Please be conscious of other fans who may not want to read a spoiler by accident, so at the very least put some spoiler-space between the top of your post and the rest, and clearly mention that you have spoilers in there.


Speaking of SPOILERS...

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The Falcon construction looked to be for the interior but appeared to have an exterior in process. There was also an X-wing being assembled, and it looked like maybe more than one.

The pig-snouted creature apparently runs, it's a 5-man puppet and has a man in each leg and another in the head.


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I really appreciate their going to practicals for this, but I hope more than anything that they have a good script to back it up and Abrams doesn't try to Spielberg this thing like he so often does.

It'd be nice if there was a CGI'd city behind these practicals too, it looked too empty in these spy shots if there's nothing in the background.

Mr. JabbaJohnL
06-04-2014, 11:57 AM
SPOILERS




Bad Robot tweeted (https://twitter.com/bad_robot/status/474206241603198976/photo/1) a note from JJ that reads: "I wish people would stop leaking photos from Episode VII. And making ridiculous claims that the Millennium Falcon is in this movie." Naturally it's resting on the dejarik table. :p This is a cool response to the leaks – and confirmation that, obviously, that isn't just a random YT-1300 being built.

Darth Metalmute
06-04-2014, 12:00 PM
And now it's official, I've had to add a Spoiler tag to Metalmute's post, so now we are in Spoilerwatch mode. Please be conscious of other fans who may not want to read a spoiler by accident, so at the very least put some spoiler-space between the top of your post and the rest, and clearly mention that you have spoilers in there.

Sorry about that.
It was all over the front page of yahoo and facebook so I didn't think anything of it.

JediTricks
06-07-2014, 04:54 PM
Sorry about that.
It was all over the front page of yahoo and facebook so I didn't think anything of it.No apologies needed, it's not that you did anything wrong, I didn't mean to single you out, I was just using your post to point out where the line in Spoilers needs to be, that we've officially crossed into Spoilers territory.


Speaking of which...

SPOILERS

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=== The X-wing-style ship(s) being built are full-size props and have a shorter nose fuselage and Z-95 Headhunter-style engines, so they're not X-wings technically, but they have clear visual lineage to them. ===

Tycho
06-08-2014, 01:55 PM
JT, without posting this like a spoiler, in the EU Jaina has modified her personal ship

Mr. JabbaJohnL
06-08-2014, 11:51 PM
JT, to your point... SPOILERS...
===That actually seems to be based on Ralph McQuarrie's concept art for the X-wing. In the art, each side has one circular engine that split into two when the wings separate, unlike the OT's two engines per side. The shorter body of the ship is also similar. This is already the second McQuarrie-inspired element we've seen after the Tatooine archway. Given that Rebels is using McQuarrie's short-winged TIE design, you'd think the split-engine X-wing would be more likely to show up there as a predecessor to the ANH design, so it's interesting that it seems to be used as a successor here.===

Bel-Cam Jos
06-09-2014, 11:02 AM
Wouldn't it just be easier to create a separate E7 SPOILERS thread? I am usually one to keep a long thread going, but then you who like-a the spoilers can more conveniently post.

Just sayin'... :)

JediTricks
06-09-2014, 06:23 PM
JT, to your point... SPOILERS...
===That actually seems to be based on Ralph McQuarrie's concept art for the X-wing. In the art, each side has one circular engine that split into two when the wings separate, unlike the OT's two engines per side. The shorter body of the ship is also similar. This is already the second McQuarrie-inspired element we've seen after the Tatooine archway. Given that Rebels is using McQuarrie's short-winged TIE design, you'd think the split-engine X-wing would be more likely to show up there as a predecessor to the ANH design, so it's interesting that it seems to be used as a successor here.===:::: I don't know about that, McQuarrie's X-wing has a long nose and short tail on its fuselage, this seems more balanced. The engines surely are taken from that, but the fuselage and canopy are more rounded on the McQuarrie design, I'd say it's splitting the difference between the 2. Also, it looks like the wings split differently from anything we've seen before, with the front half and back halves splitting instead of top and bottom. ::::


Wouldn't it just be easier to create a separate E7 SPOILERS thread? I am usually one to keep a long thread going, but then you who like-a the spoilers can more conveniently post.

Just sayin'... :)I guess, but what is there to talk about now that isn't a spoiler?

Bel-Cam Jos
06-09-2014, 06:34 PM
::::

I guess, but what is there to talk about now that isn't a spoiler?What about speculations about spoilers? :p

Lord Malakite
06-12-2014, 09:06 PM
So... Harrison Ford was apparently hurt during filming Episode VII on Wednesday and had to be rushed to the hospital after a hydraulic door fell on his ankle possibly fracturing it. Should we take that as a possible sign? Because I have a bad feeling about this.

Tycho
06-12-2014, 10:47 PM
that's not good. Mr Ford's contract since he's the starter bolts free movies

Bel-Cam Jos
06-13-2014, 05:53 PM
that's not good. Mr Ford's contract since he's the starter bolts free moviesDo all your base belong to us, Tycho? :confused: ;)

Some reports say it's an ankle break. Just film all his Falcon scenes now!

Tycho
06-14-2014, 04:47 AM
voice to text bell kim Joseph

Bel-Cam Jos
06-14-2014, 11:25 AM
voice to text bell kim Joseph"Siri, I am fluent in six million forms of communication. This signal is not used by the Alliance. It could be an imp peering comb." :D

Classic; I love it, Tycho! And ya gotta love technology.

JediTricks
06-14-2014, 01:51 PM
What amazes me is he still hit "post".

Darth Metalmute
06-14-2014, 07:32 PM
Prospective Spoilers



"One of the new actresses is rumored to play Asji Ventress."



Probably all hogwash, but still interesting to throw out there.

Tycho
06-15-2014, 03:05 AM
What amazes me is he still hit "post".

your phone in the car so busy multitasking

right now I'm out downtown with friends

spoiler alert: tika will post something else ridiculous from his voice to text soon