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JediTricks
12-10-2012, 05:28 PM
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- OPENING REMARKS -
Looking over the previous Year in Review, I closed with the sentence "May collecting in 2012 smite 2011 most heartily in the face!" - I don't have to tell you good folks that 2012 did nothing of the sort. Had Disney not bought Lucasfilm towards the end of this year and announced new movies, there'd not have been anything Star Wars to talk about at all. Hasbro's distribution issues continued to deteriorate. The 3D cinematic release of The Phantom Menace came and went without making much of an impact. Star Wars: The Old Republic MMORPG - considered to be the most expensive video game ever developed - despite its decent reviews didn't end up blowing minds, instead it struggled and eventually had to add a free-to-play option to keep it from folding on itself. Lucasfilm took the controversial step of bringing Darth Maul back to life in The Clone Wars as a junk-legged loony. The new comedic Star Wars cartoon, SW: Detours, was revealed to have a disturbing aesthetic and questionable sense of humor. Hasbro ate it on their TPM-themed focus letting their TVC 2012 wave 1 linger far too long on pegs, and the company continued the downward spiral of Star Wars collecting this year by releasing fewer figures at higher prices, changing the regular vehicles line for the significantly worse, choking the life out of The Clone Wars line, and canceling products. While I don't think ending The Vintage Collection is a bad thing, I do think relegating the line to just 5 retail releases (4 of which were difficult for much of the year) and a final online-exclusive wave was a painful way to go. To call 2012 a "challenging year for Star Wars collectors" would be an understatement as it seems as if this was the year that shed off more collectors than any prior.

Yet there were some interesting events and developments in 2012 as well. Popular mobile game Angry Birds released a Star Wars title that in many ways was the most interesting game in that series, and licensees jumped on the Angry Birds Star Wars bandwagon with a deluge of products. Kotobukiya stepped up their line of Star Wars silicone ice cube trays considerably. Fans got to be put in carbonite at Star Wars Weekends at Walt Disney World. Hasbro finally delivered an all-new, vastly-more-accurate Speeder Bike on a clear stand, complete with an all-new Biker Scout figure, and at a price collectors could live with; and the Big H also released fan-demanded Jedi Librarian Jocasta Nu as an online exclusive after the original vendor dropped out on it. eFX showed off work on a Biker Scout helmet and a replica of Ray Park's own personal screen-used Darth Maul lightsaber hilt. Walt Disney World brought back the Build-a-Droid system in a new expression, and Hasbro announced that they would be bringing Build-a-Droid back to the mainline in 2013. Lucasfilm put spurs to the 3D releases, announcing that both remaining prequels would get released in 2013. Gentle Giant took on the Kenner Boba Fett and delivered a jumbo version of the original lost rocket-firing backpack design - a decades-old promise finally delivered. Celebration VI went off with another visit from George Lucas. And of course, the big surprise announcement late in the year that George Lucas had sold Lucasfilm entirely to Disney for $4 billion, was donating the entire take to educational charity, and that Disney was going to begin production immediately on new Star Wars films.


- BEST ANIMATED 3.75" FIGURES -
Were there any new animated figures this year? Could have fooled me. Almost every new release was a Clone Trooper with a new helmet, and there weren't even exciting ones in there. I guess by default I have to give it to Darth Maul robo-legs from the Target-exclusive 3-pack because it's the only animated figure I actually bought new to 2012, and it's not even that great a figure - the legs are missing a crucial rotation joint which makes them virtually useless to pose. I'd have preferred to give it to the Nightsister from that pack, it's a better figure, but it's not screen-accurate to Clone Wars because it's actually an existing unused realistic Sith Witch figure repurposed, so I merely think of it as that instead. I forgot, I also bought the realistic animated figures - TVC Clone Wars Anakin, Obi-Wan, and Ahsoka - and they're fine but not "best" in any way... can't have winners without losers, right? (Oh, that's not right? Well, here it's right because that's how it is.)

- BEST REALISTIC 3.75" FIGURES -
A tough year for this expression as there simply weren't a lot of figures, and a lot of those were good but not knockouts as quality and number of paint apps went down all while prices went up yet again. To choose from, we have 6 waves of basic Vintage Collection - most of which were exceptionally difficult to find due to TPM pegwarmers overwhelming a majority of the year and the Lost Line wave pegwarming the last quarter - as well as some scattered new entries in the Movie Heroes line and the "Discover the Force in 3D" Walmart-exclusive line. My choices for top realistic figures start with a trio of video game figures: Darth Malgus from TOR with a strong Vader vibe but a unique sculpt and paint job as well as nice soft-goods; Shae Vizla also from TOR doesn't quite have a Star Wars look, but except for a small waist has a strong sculpt and deco; and Starkiller from The Force Unleashed II with the most accurate headsculpt yet and a lot of of accessories so as to convey a 2nd outfit from the game. Also on my list, Darth Vader ANH with an updated, more screen-accurate sculpt coupled with ball-hinged hips lead to a figure that looks like a dozen prior at first blush but upon closer inspection elevates the character to modern quality; the Battle Droid makes the list by being much more screen-accurate, having better articulation, and it can fold up; the Biker Scout from the Speeder Bike set is an all-new and vastly-improved sculpt with enhanced articulation, and although it's got deco misstep at the ankles and shoulders with black hinges on white armor, it's still impressive and will be getting a mainline release next year; and finally, I'm giving the aforementioned Sith Witch figure (aka CW Nightsister) a nod here as it's a pretty accurate realistic sculpt right down to the lightsaber hilt, even if it is based on a piece of TPM concept art.

- WORST 3.75" FIGURES -
While distribution proved far and away to be the line's biggest enemy, not a lot of figures were actively bad this year on their own merits, most just suffered from mere adequacy or not living up to the higher pricetag. But how many Ep 1 Qui-Gons and Obi-Wans did Hasbro really think folks wanted? Those 2 molds ended up on pegs in 3 different lines - TVC, Discover the Force, and Movie Heroes - in overwhelming volume for each, the TVC expressions still pegwarming today nearly a year after release, and then they released even more of those characters with light-up figures in Movie Heroes! They're not terrible molds, but Hasbro way overestimated the hype which the 3D releases would bring to these characters. Discover the Force and Movie Heroes repacks took lesser molds and shoved them down our throats at higher prices, gee thanks for clogging shelves but no. TVC Nom Anor just makes my list because of his somewhat simplistic body sculpt and articulation, it doesn't look like a modern figure to me. All 21 of the MTT figures - the old re-released Ep I Obi-Wan, the 4 low-articulation Battle Droids, and the 16 little-green-army-man-style Battle Droids all serve to underwhelm such a high-priced vehicle release. The TVC Royal Guard should have been amazing, but I find this figure frustrating to no end, the robes are too big, helmet too loose, figure underneath based on a CCG likeness for the face, and the body a bland interpretation of the Crucible training outfit except not impressively. Both new Movie Heroes "battle packs in name only" where $20 got you 3 hollow, cheaply-made new-sculpt figures that clearly nobody wanted as they're still warming shelves 3 seasons later - it's not a "battle" if there's only 3 guys, that is just a scuffle. And to round it out, 1 true easy choice: Blu-Ray deleted scene TVC Lightsaber Construction Luke Skywalker - the face isn't a bad sculpt, but the hair is parted on the wrong side, the robe is a prequel Jedi-type robe instead of Luke's ROTJ cloak and is even brown instead of black, a sculpted-on belt sash too large and a removable belt that's got too many boxes so it looks wrong too.

- BEST 3.75" VEHICLE OF THE YEAR -
Almost no new vehicle releases this year, although last year's lost Mandalorian Shuttle did get a brief release through the Toys R Us Black Friday 2-pack. So the choice is between the Naboo Fighter which is virtually unseen, the Trade Federation MTT nobody wanted that dedicated its resources too heavily around a single gimmick, a number of re-releases, a few new Class-I fleet molds that didn't get much pegtime, and the single vehicle that deserves this title head and shoulders above everything else. Unveiled at Comic-Con to notable fanfare, able to hold a figure firmly in place, finely sculpted with accuracy in mind, featuring an engine bay and snap-on parts to bolster alternate display interest, an un-wilting body and a clear hovering stand, it's the TRU-exclusive Imperial Speeder Bike with Biker Scout. How could anything else but this get the best vehicle award? At the Hasbro booth at Comic-Con, designer Brian Merten let fans hold the production model he brought and reposition the included new-sculpt Biker Scout figure, encouraged fans to shake it to prove the figure would stay on no matter what, and in exchange got the most spontaneous positive comments from passers-by since Hasbro revealed the BMF in 2008.

- BEST 12"-FORMAT FIGURE -
This year had a few more clones - as jedibear pointed out - putting us into "complete" territory for ROTS Clones; the Tusken Raider; Battle Droid 2-pack; Battle Droid with STAP; IG-88; and of course, the big boy, Boba Fett. Each deserves positive marks, not a loser in the bunch, but each was also somewhat higher-priced compared to recent days so that tempers excitement and puts greater scrutiny onto each one. The Battle Droid for example is a fantastic sculpt yet somehow the backpack sits way too high, the set has no stands, and someone screwed up the scale of its gun so it doesn't fit correctly in its hand - how does that stuff happen at this level? The Tusken Raider looks pretty darn good using mixed media, yet it's quite expensive for a humanoid with so few accessories, so one notices the loose ankles and odd undersuit easily, and the Hasbro-quality material used for the outer robe (gauzy, thin, overly crinkled, translucent) plus the simplistic deco on the inner robe hold it back a little at its price. And then there's Boba Fett, a figure fans have been dying to see expressed correctly in this scale since Sideshow first got this license in 2005, and he finally shipped a few days before Comic-Con; yet he shipped with a helmet design from ROTJ instead of ESB and a color darker than the rest of his armor, as well as a boxy thick vest holding his armor plates, which set some collectors teeth on edge - all of which might have been forgivable at $90 to $125, but at a whopping $175 makes it a challenge for collectors to overlook even slight issues such as the wide stance of the crotch design; sure Fett came with a light-up carbonite chamber-inspired deluxe stand, but is that enough to justify such a large price jump? All that said, in weighing everything, Boba Fett still stands out as this year's best 12-inch figure; while true that it's not a perfect version of the ESB look of the character, it's a really darn good expression as an idealized entity. There's a sharpness to the Sideshow sculpt, a cleanness to the rangefinder's lines, more effort put into a scaled paint job, and a thoughtfulness put into the shin tools and even the non-removable helmet's liner which instantly tell an impressive tale to the naked eye. There are no other Boba Fett poseable figures at any scale that express this character even half as well.

- 2012 STAR WARS FIGURE OF THE YEAR -
At first I thought it was going to come down to Starkiller vs. Darth Malgus as both are some of the stronger figures to come out this year, yet upon reflecting on them for this article I see deco and sculpt things that keep them both from delivering that "best of the best" feeling. The next instinct is to go with the Biker Scout, but as good as it is, there's a bit of slop in every paint app I've seen so far, and those black shoulder hinges are a big problem even understanding the business decision behind the choice; the Biker Scout is a fine figure but it's more impressive as an experience with the Speeder Bike than on its own. This year there were a lot of adequate figures like that - Kithaba, the latest Sandtrooper, Nikto, Nien Nunb, Evazan, Weequay, TVC Darth Maul are all ok, but with reduced paint apps for some, reduced sculpt sharpness for others, they are not standouts, not home runs, they're fine but not "wow". When I look at 2012's collecting year, the only "wow" items are the Speeder Bike which is more about the set than the figure, and Sideshow's 12-inch Battle Droid 2-pack and Boba Fett... but I've never picked a Sideshow for figure of the year before. I know Fett has taken some licks from other Sideshow collectors for real issues; and the Battle Droids are lightweight, topple easily, and lack nuanced weathering along with the aforementioned accessory problems -- but in my eyes either could be justified here when there are no viable Hasbro choices, both look nice and deliver their Star Wars experience with sharp sculpting and expressive articulation. Ultimately, I'm giving 2012 Star Wars figure of the year to Sideshow 12-inch Boba Fett, who takes the win from the Battle Droids sheerly through coming with more stuff, more accessories means more Star Wars!

Already, Star Wars in 2013 looks like it'll be enjoying an upswing in many crucial areas, so let's see 2013 break the downward spiral and deliver a fantastic year for Star Wars across all its expressions.

Mr. JabbaJohnL
12-27-2012, 01:48 AM
- 2012 Overview
James Luceno's long-in-the-works Darth Plagueis hit bookstores and proved to be one of the most thrilling Star Wars novels in years, giving Palpatine an appropriately twisted backstory and putting an unexpected spin on the events of TPM.

The focus on The Phantom Menace that coincided with the film's February 3D re-release had me feeling like it was 1999 all over again . . . at least for a while. Darth Maul glared at us from store shelves and popped up on everything from bus stop posters to Brisk Iced Tea to cheapo slap bracelets. The added depth afforded by the meticulous 3D conversion brought out new details that I hadn't noticed even after seeing the film countless times over the last 13 years and added a stunning new level of immersion to the viewing experience. Unfortunately, whether it was due to recently having bought the film on Blu-ray, not caring about the 3D element, or just plain not liking the film, audiences didn't exactly flock to the theaters for this one, which is a shame.

The Clone Wars finished its fourth season with a bang - the slaver arc, Death Watch, Obi-Wan undercover among bounty hunters, and the entire setup was all a ruse by Palpatine to test Anakin's readiness to become a Sith apprentice, marking a new level of storytelling prowess for the series. The headline this season, of course, was the revival of Darth Maul, who reappeared in the final arc to seek his revenge; perhaps the most interesting aspect of this story was the growth of Asajj Ventress, who went from a sneering assassin to an independent bounty hunter. The first half of season five has included Darth Maul and Savage Opress recruiting a pirate army, the military origins of the Rebel Alliance, an exceedingly fun adventure with younglings attempting to build their lightsabers, and a bizarre excursion with R2-D2. Notably, Hondo Ohnaka has emerged throughout three of the four arcs as a hilarious breakout character with allegiances that match his ever-shifting moods. Previews of the rest of the season show a Republic Commando in action, Obi-Wan finally confronting Anakin about his relationship with Padmé, all kinds of craziness going down on Mandalore, and Darth Sidious teaching those Sith pretenders a lesson about the rule of two, so I'm enormously optimistic for what 2013 has in store for this series.

Celebration VI returned the party to swampy Orlando, though you wouldn't know it with the convention center's nonstop air conditioning. Ian McDiarmid's first American convention appearance; hilarious and informative panels with Mark Hamill, Carrie Fisher, and Anthony Daniels; plus a few surprise appearances from George Lucas. Oh, and who was that strapping young man who won the first round of the trivia championship? :p The only big news items out of the convention were first previews of the sometimes-funny, sometimes-cringe-worthy Star Wars: Detours; and Attack of the Clones 3D would be coming a few months late while Revenge of the Sith 3D would be coming a few months early. The nearby Disney Hollywood Studios offered up their new Droid Factory station, with its 71 different parts having me attempt to create 25 droids; and even though it premiered in 2011, this was my first opportunity to ride Star Tours: The Adventures Continue, and as a big fan of the original I have to say the updated version is absolutely amazing.

On the Hasbro front, things were a heavily mixed bag. In The Vintage Collection, the new items were mostly all great, but they were nearly impossible to find among the overpriced, repacked, poorly-chosen junk that is still rotting on the pegs everywhere. After a hit-or-miss 2011, the first 2012 wave of The Vintage Collection brought us ten fantastic new sculpts that included the final TPM Queen Amidala outfit, some long-awaited podracers, a gorgeous new Battle Droid, and a super-articulated Darth Maul, plus repacks of Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon (that could have used some freshening up, but nevertheless looked cool on vintage cards). They showed up everywhere, proving easy to find after a year of bad distribution... and then stayed there. Hasbro then made the dubious decision to carry most of these figures forward in the majority of two subsequent case assortments, so even if the new waves did make it to stores near you, the new figures would move quickly and leave their TPM casemates behind to completely block the flow of new product.

Movie Heroes replaced Saga Legends (RIP, 2007-2011) to bring us a first wave that was, truly and purely, crap. Unsurprisingly, nobody wanted to buy stuff they had bought at half the price years earlier, so this line clogged the pegs as well, making the next two waves - which actually included some fun action features and nice head sculpts - impossible to locate, and the fact that Walmart sold many lookalike or identical figures in similar packaging certainly didn't help matters. The Battle Packs line deserves a special slap on the wrist for starting out the year by selling three-packs of decade-old garbage before devoting resources to baffling all-new figures with only five points of articulation each, firmly planted in the no-man's land between kid and collector and making nobody happy in the process. Even vehicles followed suit, pushing out seven old Class II molds for $5 to $10 more than they were worth and only updating the interior to the AAT. This prevented the in-store sale of the extraordinary new Naboo Fighter, which deserves another release. A similar fate befell the Class I line, though somehow the three new releases did actually make it out after the four repacks. Oddly enough, pretty much all of this year's exclusive items were significantly easier to find than most "mainstream" releases, which I'm pretty sure isn't how it's supposed to be.

Hasbro's The Clone Wars line didn't fare much better, only churning out 10 new figures out of 18 carded releases. Aside from that, there were two TCW battle packs, three Class I vehicles, one "Ultimate Gift Set" four-pack, and one repacked Anakin's Jedi Starfighter that you had to buy if you wanted to get the Naboo Fighter and green Republic Fighter Tank. That's a whopping total of 20 new figures, which sucks. It's even worse when you realize that the only previously unmade, non-clone character was the Nightsister, which wasn't really an animated figure, and wasn't really a Nightsister. The feeling that this line is on its last legs isn't helped by the realistic line continuing to bring in animated characters and designs, or the fact that next year's CW offerings include more Anakin and Obi-Wan redos and not much else. The show is still bringing out interesting designs that would make great figures for kids and collectors alike - Pong Krell, Rako Hardeen, spider-legs Maul, Gungi the Wookiee youngling, Huyang, new outfits for Asajj Ventress and Boba Fett, and so many easy clone repaints - and yet Hasbro insists that figures like these wouldn't sell.


- Best Animated Figure
Captain Rex and Commander Wolffe look great, but it seems that all the budget was put into their deco since they have frustratingly limited articulation and irremovable helmets. Scuba Ahsoka and the Scuba Clone Trooper are both pretty fun, and it's nice to get different figures from specific arcs like these. Nothing really knocked it out of the park this year, but I agree that Darth Maul from the Darth Maul Returns battle pack is the best animated figure in a bad year for animated figures. I would have liked a "knee" joint as well, but the figure is otherwise quite good and looks very cool. This figure will be repacked on a single card in the Yoda line look next year, but the battle pack will probably go on extreme clearance at Target here shortly, so the figure is definitely worth a look one way or another.

- Best Realistic Figure
There were quite a few figures that came close to being the best this year. The Battle Droid is certainly the figure I bought the most this year, or maybe any year - I got 28 of the bugger - and it does a lot of things really well, but I can't help but wish it could hold the blaster as seen in the film. (Having a more secure backpack or the ability to not topple over on a shelf would certainly help, too.) Take away all of his junky accessories and Luke Skywalker (Lightsaber Construction) is an amazing version of the character as seen during the skiff battle (you can say the wind was blowing his hair that way, or something). Jar Jar Binks has a lovely sculpt with useful articulation, but falls short due to weirdly inverse deco on his face and unsightly knee joints cast in his skin tone. Even the Sandtrooper repaint deserves a mention for taking a figure nobody wanted to see again and making it worth another look, thanks to its spot-on deco and unique fold-out blaster. (Special shout-outs to Aurra Sing, the Biker Scout from the Speeder Bike, Ahsoka, and all eight Ewoks just because.) I don't want to make it seem like I'm nitpicking just to do so - these are all amazingly great figures and would have knocked us off our feet just a few years ago; that's a testament to how good Hasbro has gotten at making figures. But the two that made me really go "damn, now THAT is a figure" are Darth Vader (A New Hope) and Aayla Secura. Maybe it's the ball-joint hips. Maybe it's the gorgeous sculpts. Maybe it's the fact that I didn't think these were figures worth upgrading and they turned out better than I could have expected. Somehow, there is room for improvement on Vader - a ball-joint neck would add so much more personality - so I think I have to give the title to the astounding Aayla Secura, who is pretty much flawless. (Sorry, Darth. Too bad she didn't come out in 2011 as originally planned.)

- Worst Realistic Figure
You mentioned TVC's Obi-Wan Kenobi and Qui-Gon Jinn, so I'll honor Hasbro's intent of having them everywhere all the time by mentioning them here as well. Had the figures just included updated ball-joint hips and/or new head sculpts - of which there were a few elsewhere this year - they could have freshened things up and not made us all so sick of them, but I guess they're not awful figures in and of themselves. Ignoring all the other repacks, those new battle pack figures really stunk up the joint. While Darth Vader actually looks pretty good on a shelf as scene filler and Luke could do the same if his hair weren't so cheeselike (I'm undecided on bulky Boba), Qui-Gon Jinn gets another mention here since he features the most boring stance and least effective head sculpt of his Naboo pack pals, all of whom have ridiculously bad, retro-looking articulation that cuts their robes in half like some kind of misguided vintage nightmare. But sadly, I might have to give the, er, honor to Grand Moff Tarkin. The sculpt is more or less adequate (if a little skinny in the face), and the cloth skirt is a good idea in theory. But holy crap is he green. Even Derryl DePriest expressed displeasure with how green this figure turned out, noting to me that it had to have been a conscious decision since the paint and fabric were sourced separately. This is a character that deserves a great figure on a great vintage card, and this release blew it so hard and makes me so sick it turns me . . . well, green.

- Best Vehicle
I'm one of the 15 people on the planet who own a Naboo Fighter, and immediately upon getting it I wanted more of them. The sliding cockpit is sweet, the droid socket rocks, the detail is spot-on, and the missile launchers and landing gear are nice additions. I'm also one of the five people who own an MTT Droid Transport, though I suspect that might change now that they're hitting post-holiday clearance. Yes, it's based around a single feature, but it's an awesome feature that's made even better when the transport is loaded up with TVC Battle Droids instead. Finally the droid army can actually take on the Republic and not look like a bunch of chumps! It might have come too late after the TPM 3D release and it might have been too expensive, but it's a ton of fun. In repaint land, the Kmart exclusive AT-ST Scout Walker took the great 2009 sculpt and finally gave it a great paint job - the fact that the necessary figures were released shortly thereafter was icing on the cake. But ultimately I have to agree that the Speeder Bike with Biker Scout just blows everything else away this year. We've all wanted a new one forever, and it arrives even better than expected with so many cool features and so much thought clearly put into every aspect. It's somewhat rare for a figure and vehicle to work well together with minimal effort, but this set does just that. Even though my Endor display is getting crowded, I now have four of these bad boys and wouldn't mind getting a few more. It goes so far beyond just checking off a much-needed update and reminds us how much fun collecting can (and should) be.


- The Future of Star Wars
In a year where it seemed like the biggest Star Wars news would be the Angry Birds characters dressing up like Jedi, Uncle George surprised everyone by selling the whole kit and caboodle to Disney, who quickly announced plans to release Episode VII in 2015 and bring out at least an entire trilogy of new films. This one-two punch knocked us all out for a minute, and set off a flurry of anticipation and speculation. For the first time since 1983, we really have no idea how the story will end, and Star Wars can transform from a property reflecting on its past to one looking intrepidly into the future. Thanks to Disney's reach and power, for the first time in a long time, the possibilities are truly endless. With Kathleen Kennedy running Lucasfilm and producing the new films and Michael Arndt writing the script based on George Lucas' story notes, I couldn't be more excited to see what Episode VII brings to the saga.

Tycho
01-01-2013, 04:41 PM
. Had Disney not bought Lucasfilm towards the end of this year and announced new movies, there'd not have been anything Star Wars to talk about at all.


Probably. But it didn't have to be that way. I tend to think that it wouldn't be if we were in a "90's or even the kind of 80's economy that saw the USS Flag come out for Joe." If a star destroyer could sell for our figures - and I'm saying "if" (people have the desire and disposable income for it - so that was really happening) where do you think Star Wars would be right now? And would there not be EU figure and vehicle offerings like NJO and the Twilight for Clone Wars?


The new comedic Star Wars cartoon, SW: Detours, was revealed to have a disturbing aesthetic and questionable sense of humor

Good. Then I might like it. However, I'd rather they made toilet humor out of something that I didn't have fun pretending to take seriously.



choking the life out of The Clone Wars line,


So unnecessary with new figure and vehicle potentials for this expression of Star Wars (Hondo's tank and flying saucer, the angel fish Jedi transport ship, figures of the Trandoshans and undead Nightsisters, Riff Tamsen, more.

Distribution for the Y-wing mini-rig was horrible. I never saw that - and I'd like another Mandalorian Gunship - without a Jedi Starfighter pease!

The vintage collection should not end btw, but they should reduce the MSRP, or find a way to offer more on the card. For larger accessories like the bar sections seen in TAC, they should go back to the 2004 OTC scene cards, call those a different collection than the vintage, and run that line simultaneously.


Kotobukiya or someone made a great statue recognizing the popularity of Jaina Solo. There are many who would like to see the 30-something year old "Empress and Jedi Knight" in the new Disney movies (considering Harrison and Carrie's age when playing Jaina's parents. Ben Skywalker would have to be the 20-something lead).

I like the Sith Witch myself. I think Wooof was a 2011 figure, but he's the last one I remember being really excited about.


I love the MTT. JediTricks, you're not speaking for everyone when you said "it's the vehicle nobody wanted." That kind of poor attitude makes it harder to get the really obscure stuff at least "some" people want such as a Republic Cruiser or Gungan Bongo Submarine, let alone those class-1 sized Kamino patrol vehicles from the cloning facility. Now I want Jabba's sailbarge more than anything, as is the popular consensus, but I also want everything. Some ships like the Rebel Medical Frigate might never happen. But if enthusiasm for them is encouraged by a positive fan experience by people with strong voices saying, "You like Star Wars? You'd like that obscure vehicle like the Expanded Universe K-wing bomber? Well, that's cool! Instead of this "putting people's tastes down - or assuming 'no one wanted the MTT,' it creates a more positive feeling amongst the group here. Especially if a kid comes along, totally enthusiastic, and wants a Death Star playset with a hanger large enough for the BMF to fit in it. We can think "that's not going to happen," but find a nicer way to express ourselves about it that won't have negative impacts on the hobby - like Hasbro deciding "no one wants us to make the Invisible Hand playset / vehicle (and no - not before a sailbarge - but it might be more exciting than the Rebel Medical Frigate).

I loved the SideShow 12" STAP with Battle Droid! And what year did we get Commander Gree? For another clone, I really like him even though he's so much more basic than say Cody or Bly.

Tycho
01-01-2013, 04:59 PM
- 2012 Overview
James Luceno's long-in-the-works Darth Plagueis hit bookstores and proved to be one of the most thrilling Star Wars novels in years, giving Palpatine an appropriately twisted backstory and putting an unexpected spin on the events of TPM.

I loved it, too!


TPM's problem is that it's the only SW film that takes place before the entire galaxy is at war - though it is mostly peace-time in AOTC until the Battle of Geonosis, too.

There is also not all that cool Star Wars tech gear that the Clones / Imperials will later bring into the fight.


The Clone Wars finished its fourth season with a bang - the slaver arc, Death Watch, Obi-Wan undercover among bounty hunters, and the entire setup was all a ruse by Palpatine to test Anakin's readiness to become a Sith apprentice, marking a new level of storytelling prowess for the series. The headline this season, of course, was the revival of Darth Maul, who reappeared in the final arc to seek his revenge; perhaps the most interesting aspect of this story was the growth of Asajj Ventress, who went from a sneering assassin to an independent bounty hunter. The first half of season five has included Darth Maul and Savage Opress recruiting a pirate army, the military origins of the Rebel Alliance, an exceedingly fun adventure with younglings attempting to build their lightsabers, and a bizarre excursion with R2-D2. Notably, Hondo Ohnaka has emerged throughout three of the four arcs as a hilarious breakout character with allegiances that match his ever-shifting moods. Previews of the rest of the season show a Republic Commando in action, Obi-Wan finally confronting Anakin about his relationship with Padmé, all kinds of craziness going down on Mandalore, and Darth Sidious teaching those Sith pretenders a lesson about the rule of two, so I'm enormously optimistic for what 2013 has in store for this series.

Clone Wars sounds like it will be great for the next half of Season 5! I've like most of it except they didn't need to bring Darth Maul back again and the droid episodes with the tiny colonel are seriously tiring me out.


QUOTE] the first 2012 wave of The Vintage Collection brought us ten fantastic new sculpts that included the final TPM Queen Amidala outfit[/QUOTE]

Finally. Now AOTC has a few more good choices, notably the Senator's Apartment and the Yellow waterfalls dress, and ROTS needs a lot of love (and not a Mustafar Padme resculpt coming out first!). Some people are in the hobby to complete all the appearances of a character, not worried about whether or not "they did something' in that scene.




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some long-awaited podracers,


Yup!

As to TPM vintage carded Obi-Wan, he could have come with his Jedi Cloak folded behind the figure and been carded in his white final duel look like he's pictured on his vintage card. I don't know why, but this would've made him look awesome.

Before vintage died, I wanted a special Luke Dagobah from ESB with his Bespin jacket open from the "lifting the X-wing scene" after he fails. It's a cool new brief classic figure look. They made Echo Base Han (out of his Hoth outfit) didn't they?






Hasbro's The Clone Wars line didn't fare much better, only churning out 10 new figures out of 18 carded releases. Aside from that, there were two TCW battle packs, three Class I vehicles, one "Ultimate Gift Set" four-pack, and one repacked Anakin's Jedi Starfighter that you had to buy if you wanted to get the Naboo Fighter and green Republic Fighter Tank. That's a whopping total of 20 new figures, which sucks. It's even worse when you realize that the only previously unmade, non-clone character was the Nightsister, which wasn't really an animated figure, and wasn't really a Nightsister. The feeling that this line is on its last legs isn't helped by the realistic line continuing to bring in animated characters and designs, or the fact that next year's CW offerings include more Anakin and Obi-Wan redos and not much else. The show is still bringing out interesting designs that would make great figures for kids and collectors alike - Pong Krell, Rako Hardeen, spider-legs Maul, Gungi the Wookiee youngling, Huyang, new outfits for Asajj Ventress and Boba Fett, and so many easy clone repaints - and yet Hasbro insists that figures like these wouldn't sell.


Agreed.





All the Ewok figures we got in exclusives 5 and 2 packs to carded Lumat were awesome! I think the modern Ewok collection is pretty definitive now, though maybe they could single-card Warok?


Good review of the MTT JabbaJohn. I agree with you!



Episode 7 needs to bring Jaina Solo - that's what it needs to bring.

bigbarada
01-01-2013, 11:37 PM
I'm not going to go too much in depth, but overall I can say that 2012 was a vast improvement over 2011.... but there was really no way that it couldn't have been without the line being cancelled altogether.

Sure the Ep1 glut was 100% avoidable on Hasbro's part; but I think even the most pessimistic of fans thought that Ep1 3D would make at least some impact in theaters and generate a little bit of excitement among kids. I agree with JT, without the announcement of Disney's purchase of the franchise, then I would have assumed that Star Wars was getting ready to slip back into another "dark years" hibernation mode.

Best Realistic Figure:
I'm going to be predictable here and vote for Kithaba. He was a figure that I had wanted for 29 years and he had been #1 on my want list since 2002 (Ephant Mon was #1 prior to that). Plus we were anticipating him for nearly two years between Hasbro's confirmation and the actual release of the figure. I've found in my experiences that too much build up and anticipation usually leads to disappointment; but that wasn't the case when I actually held the Kithaba figure in my hands for the very first time. Sure there were minor disappointments, like the unpainted neck (which I actually corrected so early on that I had completely forgotten the neck was originally unpainted) and the skinny waist. But that moment when I finally held Kithaba in my hands was one of those rare moments of pure, childlike joy. I'm sure you guys know it, the feeling you get that reminds you why you are even collecting in the first place. It goes way beyond simply filling a hole in my collection or scratching a name off of my wishlist. It's actually more like making a new friend. I'll be turning 40 in 2013, so those moments are becoming increasingly rarer and significantly more valuable when they do occur. In fact, since 1995, I can count the number of times that a new toy has created such a strong emotional bond on one hand. So for a couple weeks in 2012, it was like I was ten years old again.

Unfortunately, that little moment of collecting euphoria was stopped pretty much dead in its tracks when the red-bandana variant of Kithaba popped up. Then the variant-hunter, speculator, completist surfaced and the kid in me took a back seat again. I still had fun tracking down the variation, though, and scouring the stores for red-bandana Kithabas has been the only reason that I even bother to check the Star Wars aisle since last summer.

So, I guess since it's my list, my choice for best figure is a purely, subjective, personal choice. Other figures that would have been in the running for best of the year, if Kithaba hadn't been released, would be Dr. Evazan, Aayla Secura (a surprise choice, but the quality of the figure can't really be ignored), Weequay (nearly perfect in every way), the Nikto Skiff Guard, and Lightsaber Construction Luke Skywalker.

Worst Realistic Figure:
I didn't buy a whole lot this year and I'm tempted to give the worst rating to Grand Moff Tarkin, since I was looking forward to that figure for so long, but the use of soft-goods totally ruins the look for me. However, I don't feel that I really can list him as the worst because I still have never actually seen the figure in person. So worst, is going to go to Bespin Princess Leia for having the ugliest, most masculine, face-sculpt since the 1995 monkey-face Leia.

Jar Jar Binks should get a mention here too. If Hasbro had really pulled out all the stops and knocked this figure out of the park, then I would have happily bought him. As it turned out, there were just too many shortcuts and the figure ended up with a paint job that was actually worse than the original 1999 figure.

I didn't buy anything from Clone Wars this year, so I can't really list a best or worst for 2012. In fact, I'm kind of boycotting the CW line until we start getting some Trandoshan Hunter figures from the season 3 finale. Well, boycotting is maybe not the right word, but I see no point in collecting the toys, or even watching the show, if they are going to continue to introduce awesome looking characters that Hasbro has absolutely no interest in making into action figures. I'd simply rather not get my hopes up and it's not like I ever really enjoyed the show that much to begin with.

I didn't actually buy any vehicles this year either, so I can't list a best vehicle. The Speeder Bike looks promising, but the nearest TRU is 50 miles away from my house and there were simply too many question marks (mostly surrounding that crappy looking Biker Scout figure) for me to waste the gas driving up there to look for it. Sure Hasbro claims that the Biker Scout is an all-new sculpt, but it's a step backwards in quality in almost every single way and it addresses none of the problems that plagued the 2006 figure. It's the half-hearted, lazy attempt at a Biker Scout update that has really curbed my enthusiasm for the new Speeder Bike. I would normally just write it off as a typical, crappy pack-in figure; but it seems that Hasbro considers this version to be the new standard going forward since they are releasing the figure single carded in 2013.

Eh... maybe I'll change my mind when/if I see the Speeder Bike in person.

The Future of Star Wars:
Well, I think it looks bright for the most part. Before the announcement of Disney purchasing Lucasfilm, 2013 was looking pretty bleak. It was actually the first time ever that I saw the new assortments planned for the beginning of the year and didn't consider a single figure to be worth buying. As of right now, the only thing I am looking forward to in 2013 is the continuation of TVC with the "fan favorite" figures (we all know they aren't really fan favorites, just the toys that were stuck in warehouses through most of 2012). The Legacy 2, "Build-A-Droid" waves are complete Snoozeville as far as I'm concerned. Without the TVC rereleases and the upcoming Ep7-9, then I would have seriously considered hanging it up for good after 2012.

Although I haven't completely ruled out getting out of collecting. 2012 was such a high watermark for me that I don't really see it going anywhere but downhill from here. So, unless it's a Sail Barge, a new Tatooine Skiff or any of the characters that inhabited those vehicles, then I'm pretty sure I won't be adding it to my collection. I kind of see the announcement of a new trilogy as my best opportunity to get out while the getting's good. In fact, when I realized that I wasn't even interested in the new Speeder Bike or Ewok multipacks, that's when it hit me that my window of interest in Star Wars might really be closing after over 3 decades.

JediTricks
01-02-2013, 08:54 PM
Quick question, is nobody interested anymore in the Star Wars 1313 video game that is a bounty hunter in Coruscant's deep levels version of Uncharted? I notice it has entirely lost its buzz the past few months, nothing major came out of C6 in terms of buzz and that's too bad. Or are we all kinda burned out on SW video games overhyping and then coming up short?



- Best Animated Figure
Captain Rex and Commander Wolffe look great, but it seems that all the budget was put into their deco since they have frustratingly limited articulation and irremovable helmets. Scuba Ahsoka and the Scuba Clone Trooper are both pretty fun, and it's nice to get different figures from specific arcs like these. Nothing really knocked it out of the park this year, but I agree that Darth Maul from the Darth Maul Returns battle pack is the best animated figure in a bad year for animated figures. I would have liked a "knee" joint as well, but the figure is otherwise quite good and looks very cool. This figure will be repacked on a single card in the Yoda line look next year, but the battle pack will probably go on extreme clearance at Target here shortly, so the figure is definitely worth a look one way or another.Wolffe and Rex phase 2 are on last year's all-new body which I don't like due to the limited articulation and slight physique - Hasbro overcorrected there.

Ha! Funny you saw the knee joint as being the crucial missing joint from my comments, while I would have liked a knee it was actually mid-thigh swivel that I felt was crucial since the figure is on a V-crotch design that causes the leg to rotate up and out as it's raised (same problem found on 1990s Star Trek figures, for corn's sake!). So I guess 2 crucial missing leg joints.


The Battle Droid is certainly the figure I bought the most this year, or maybe any year - I got 28 of the bugger - and it does a lot of things really well, but I can't help but wish it could hold the blaster as seen in the film. (Having a more secure backpack or the ability to not topple over on a shelf would certainly help, too.)Wow, that's nearly $300 of Battle Droids!!! Holding the blaster right really is the main thing that bugs me about the figure, we've ONLY seen BDs holding their rifles 2-handed and yet the only figure to really get that right is the POTJ Security Droid. This new BD uses ball-joints at the shoulders, so an alternate set of arms would have worked great for this.


Take away all of his junky accessories and Luke Skywalker (Lightsaber Construction) is an amazing version of the character as seen during the skiff battle (you can say the wind was blowing his hair that way, or something).He'd also have the wrong belt still, and the wrong lit lightsaber, and the hair would have to have blown his part to the opposite side of his head. :p


- Worst Realistic Figure
You mentioned TVC's Obi-Wan Kenobi and Qui-Gon Jinn, so I'll honor Hasbro's intent of having them everywhere all the time by mentioning them here as well.Ha! Good one.


- The Future of Star Wars
In a year where it seemed like the biggest Star Wars news would be the Angry Birds characters dressing up like Jedi, Uncle George surprised everyone by selling the whole kit and caboodle to Disney, who quickly announced plans to release Episode VII in 2015 and bring out at least an entire trilogy of new films. This one-two punch knocked us all out for a minute, and set off a flurry of anticipation and speculation. For the first time since 1983, we really have no idea how the story will end, and Star Wars can transform from a property reflecting on its past to one looking intrepidly into the future. Thanks to Disney's reach and power, for the first time in a long time, the possibilities are truly endless. With Kathleen Kennedy running Lucasfilm and producing the new films and Michael Arndt writing the script based on George Lucas' story notes, I couldn't be more excited to see what Episode VII brings to the saga.Well-said, great job.



Probably. But it didn't have to be that way. I tend to think that it wouldn't be if we were in a "90's or even the kind of 80's economy that saw the USS Flag come out for Joe." If a star destroyer could sell for our figures - and I'm saying "if" (people have the desire and disposable income for it - so that was really happening) where do you think Star Wars would be right now? And would there not be EU figure and vehicle offerings like NJO and the Twilight for Clone Wars?It took me 3 passes to understand the correlation you're trying to make. "If they had been able to make a Star Destroyer, Star Wars fans would have had something to talk about this year," that's what you're saying? The USS Flagg wasn't during an economic boon, it was during a recession, but Hasbro had much lower manufacturing and materials costs, the Flagg was mostly hollow, and the brand was enjoying big sales due to market exposure from the TV show and commercials, as well as strong market attention from buyers heavily into the brand's numerous affordable figures and vehicles which opened the door to an experiment like the Flagg. The Flagg was not a commercial success however and is better a cautionary tale against making a Star Destroyer rather than one promoting the idea.


The vintage collection should not end btw, but they should reduce the MSRP, or find a way to offer more on the card. For larger accessories like the bar sections seen in TAC, they should go back to the 2004 OTC scene cards, call those a different collection than the vintage, and run that line simultaneously.I think Vintage has outlived its usefulness. The very concept of Vintage demands the higher MSRP, its price went up originally because it was The Vintage Collection, not in spite of it. Vintage appeals to a smaller demographic than other main lines so they had to raise the price to offset the smaller sales. For me, Vintage has spent too much time looking backwards and that's no way to run a continuing line.


I love the MTT. JediTricks, you're not speaking for everyone when you said "it's the vehicle nobody wanted." That kind of poor attitude makes it harder to get the really obscure stuff at least "some" people want such as a Republic Cruiser or Gungan Bongo Submarine, let alone those class-1 sized Kamino patrol vehicles from the cloning facility. Now I want Jabba's sailbarge more than anything, as is the popular consensus, but I also want everything. Some ships like the Rebel Medical Frigate might never happen. But if enthusiasm for them is encouraged by a positive fan experience by people with strong voices saying, "You like Star Wars? You'd like that obscure vehicle like the Expanded Universe K-wing bomber? Well, that's cool! Instead of this "putting people's tastes down - or assuming 'no one wanted the MTT,' it creates a more positive feeling amongst the group here. Especially if a kid comes along, totally enthusiastic, and wants a Death Star playset with a hanger large enough for the BMF to fit in it. We can think "that's not going to happen," but find a nicer way to express ourselves about it that won't have negative impacts on the hobby - like Hasbro deciding "no one wants us to make the Invisible Hand playset / vehicle (and no - not before a sailbarge - but it might be more exciting than the Rebel Medical Frigate).I didn't insult anybody's tastes, at worst I spoke with a small amount of hyperbole by not using "nobody" to represent "a very minor and largely dispassionate portion of the consumer market for the item". My comment had nothing to do with whether or not someone liked it, only that it was something almost nobody was clamoring for, it seems like Hasbro only did it because TPM was getting a re-release and they thought they could ride the casual consumer interest wave off of the movie with a big holiday item themed to that. I was insulting Hasbro for making a bad call putting too many eggs into the TPM re-release basket while damaging the BMF-type vehicle market.

While the MTT did alright in our first round polls, coming in at #10 on the "BMF-sized vehicles" poll, in the final results it got just 2 votes. Don't blame the messenger, I am just writing editorial content based on what I see - the hardcore audience not showing great interest in the vehicle from the outset, the vehicle planned for its movie's re-release, then the movie not capturing great attention with the broader consumer base, and now the vehicle isn't selling that strongly during the crucial holiday season - and that they sacrificed the potential for broader appeal (through more play elements and such) by putting more budget into the thing's motorized gimmick.

This is a business for Hasbro and their retail partners, I'm sure if they could Hasbro would be thrilled to deliver every single thing you've ever dreamed about at pennies on the dollar, but that's not how it works. They use complicated metrics like market trend tracking to justify the expense of taking risks on the handful of vehicles they release each year, and they make hard managerial choices based on years of industry experience. Every tooling made is a risk in starting costs, but vehicles are larger and sell less so they are automatically bigger risks, Hasbro can't just take a stab in the dark at an item that could lose them a lot of money just because a very small subset of the already minority portion of their consumer base wants something. Wanting something isn't enough, my comments aren't going to change the K-wing's chances of getting made one bit, and if you're being honest nothing is going to change those chances because those chances are virtually nil - that's not about devaluing tastes, that's about the realities of this business. The facts say the SW buying audience is largely not going to be familiar with the K-wing, that vehicles have become very expensive for Hasbro to undertake so they're not likely to take more risks, and the K-wing has no exposure or even on-screen representation, so it's a big risk which means it's very unlikely to happen. You can stick your head in the sand and pretend that's not true, or you can face it and temper your expectations to reality even while still wanting something, but you certainly can't fool Hasbro and consumers into stuff that has little demand through the pretense that a positive attitude is all it'll take to get it to market.



And what year did we get Commander Gree? For another clone, I really like him even though he's so much more basic than say Cody or Bly.You got your Gree on Dec 17th, 2011. I wasn't impressed enough with him to warrant a call-out in my previous YIR, he's fine but didn't seem outstanding compared to Bly and Cody.



I'm not going to go too much in depth, but overall I can say that 2012 was a vast improvement over 2011.... but there was really no way that it couldn't have been without the line being cancelled altogether.I'm a little surprised that you feel THAT much more positively about 2012. Granted, you did get several ROTJ figures you were after, but your comments last year about having almost no figures and no vehicles to look forward to, you only have a handful of figures in 2012 that you really sounded excited about.


Sure the Ep1 glut was 100% avoidable on Hasbro's part; but I think even the most pessimistic of fans thought that Ep1 3D would make at least some impact in theaters and generate a little bit of excitement among kids.I did think - and say - that the converted Ep 1 3D release in February would have virtually no impact at all, even before 3D ticket sales started slumping across the board. If it had gotten a summer or Christmas release, it might have had light impact with kids, but it's a tough sell even then due to the backlash from the overhyping and shock of Jar Jar-type decisions of the '99 release - TPM and Jar Jar are essentially the '99 version of "New Coke".


Best Realistic Figure:
I'm going to be predictable here and vote for Kithaba. ...

So, I guess since it's my list, my choice for best figure is a purely, subjective, personal choice. Other figures that would have been in the running for best of the year, if Kithaba hadn't been released, would be Dr. Evazan, Aayla Secura (a surprise choice, but the quality of the figure can't really be ignored), Weequay (nearly perfect in every way), the Nikto Skiff Guard, and Lightsaber Construction Luke Skywalker.Heh, yeah you're predictable, that's ok considering your avatar and sig link. ;) I still haven't found a red-bandana version yet.

Huh, another positive note for Deleted-scene Luke. Kinda weird for a figure with mirror-flopped hair, old arms and legs, and the wrong cloak.



Worst Realistic Figure:
I didn't buy a whole lot this year and I'm tempted to give the worst rating to Grand Moff Tarkin, since I was looking forward to that figure for so long, but the use of soft-goods totally ruins the look for me. However, I don't feel that I really can list him as the worst because I still have never actually seen the figure in person. So worst, is going to go to Bespin Princess Leia for having the ugliest, most masculine, face-sculpt since the 1995 monkey-face Leia.Ouuuuuuuch (said in ET's voice).


I didn't actually buy any vehicles this year either, so I can't list a best vehicle. The Speeder Bike looks promising, but the nearest TRU is 50 miles away from my house and there were simply too many question marks (mostly surrounding that crappy looking Biker Scout figure) for me to waste the gas driving up there to look for it. Sure Hasbro claims that the Biker Scout is an all-new sculpt, but it's a step backwards in quality in almost every single way and it addresses none of the problems that plagued the 2006 figure. It's the half-hearted, lazy attempt at a Biker Scout update that has really curbed my enthusiasm for the new Speeder Bike. I would normally just write it off as a typical, crappy pack-in figure; but it seems that Hasbro considers this version to be the new standard going forward since they are releasing the figure single carded in 2013.

Eh... maybe I'll change my mind when/if I see the Speeder Bike in person.My store had several last time I was there, I could pick you one up if you like. Or you could get 2 right now on the Bogo 50% off, they're still on the website. Honestly, I think unless your chief complaint with the Biker Scout is the deco, your criticisms seem pretty hollow since you've never seen one in person and they don't jive at all with the experiences I've heard from others, not to mention my own. It is an all-new sculpt, and it's way better than the POTJ figure or the tiny-headed, big-shouldered '06 figure.

Darth Metalmute
01-03-2013, 12:13 AM
Quick question, is nobody interested anymore in the Star Wars 1313 video game that is a bounty hunter in Coruscant's deep levels version of Uncharted? I notice it has entirely lost its buzz the past few months, nothing major came out of C6 in terms of buzz and that's too bad. Or are we all kinda burned out on SW video games overhyping and then coming up short?

I am interested in that game, but I thought I heard somewhere that it will be delayed.

As for my review of Star Wars 2013, it can be summed up it this sentence: Was there another wave besides the TPM wave?
Because I never saw one, ever. Wether that is Hasbros fault for over supplying or my local retailers for over ordering, I'll never know. The figures I did purchase were on ebay or Amazon with a higher price tag. There were several figures that I really wanted this year that I never saw, and wasn't willing to pay over twice as much for. It was so bad, that the Star Wars Christmas displays at both of the Targets near me were empty, with the exception of Pods. The only saving grace in my opinion this year, was the release of the Speeder Bike. I bought this online because I feared I would never see it, and I was glad I did. This vehicle is amazing. Why it took so long for Hasbro to make this I will never understand, but thankfully they finally did.

Sideshow finally priced me out of 12" figures this year and I stopped collecting them. However, I did pick up the 12" Boba Fett, and he is a great figure. I might still pick up main characters in the future, but it will be on a case by case basis.

While I look forward to the future of Star Wars in general after the sale to Disney, I am mindful that Hasbro still runs the toy line and my local retailers still run their inventory. And with that in mind, I fear that 2013 will be another repeat like 2012 and 2011.

Mr. JabbaJohnL
01-03-2013, 02:41 PM
Quick question, is nobody interested anymore in the Star Wars 1313 video game that is a bounty hunter in Coruscant's deep levels version of Uncharted? I notice it has entirely lost its buzz the past few months, nothing major came out of C6 in terms of buzz and that's too bad. Or are we all kinda burned out on SW video games overhyping and then coming up short?
I've never been too huge a fan of video games in general (not just Star Wars ones), at least not on the level I'm a fan of the figures. I still play Battlefront II with some regularity, and have been known to break out the SNES trilogy games from time to time, though most other games are played through once or twice (especially the highly replayable LEGO series) and then not really touched much after that. 1313 looks interesting, but I'm not sure how much of that is just interest in the world itself, and we're already going to visit the Coruscant underworld in The Clone Wars this season so I may get my fill there.


Wow, that's nearly $300 of Battle Droids!!! Holding the blaster right really is the main thing that bugs me about the figure, we've ONLY seen BDs holding their rifles 2-handed and yet the only figure to really get that right is the POTJ Security Droid. This new BD uses ball-joints at the shoulders, so an alternate set of arms would have worked great for this.
Thankfully I only bought one or two at $10 and the rest were on some sort of sale, ranging from TRU's multiple buy-two-get-one-free sales to Brian's Toys' $4.99 sale, so it's not quite as nutty as it seems. (It's close, though.) Hasbro seems hung up on keeping his hands neutral and not giving him bulky wrist articulation, but you're right, an alternate set of arms - or even just an alternate left arm - would have been ideal. I've been a proponent of having a Battle Droid that can hold the blaster properly, but I ended up loving this one anyway since it's so damn cool in every other respect.


My store had several last time I was there, I could pick you one up if you like. Or you could get 2 right now on the Bogo 50% off, they're still on the website. Honestly, I think unless your chief complaint with the Biker Scout is the deco, your criticisms seem pretty hollow since you've never seen one in person and they don't jive at all with the experiences I've heard from others, not to mention my own. It is an all-new sculpt, and it's way better than the POTJ figure or the tiny-headed, big-shouldered '06 figure.
I agree. The Biker Scout is great, but even if it isn't to your 100% satisfaction, you're doing yourself a disservice by not getting the set since the Speeder Bike is amazing. Some photos online I've seen of the Biker Scout have been posed extremely poorly, but if you do it right he looks great on or off the bike.

JediTricks
01-03-2013, 02:49 PM
I am interested in that game, but I thought I heard somewhere that it will be delayed. I don't think it's possible that it's been delayed only because it never had a release date to begin with. Hopefully it comes out this year though, I'd like to see more Star Wars games, more variety again. There can be Jedi games and trooper games and RPG games and adventure games and Starfighter games all on the market if they're good games.



As for my review of Star Wars 2013, it can be summed up it this sentence: Was there another wave besides the TPM wave?
Because I never saw one, ever. Wether that is Hasbros fault for over supplying or my local retailers for over ordering, I'll never know. I have a blame-tree for why TPM ruined 2012:
- Lucasfilm - for overhyping the appeal the TPM 3D re-release would have.
- - Hasbro - for buying into the overhype so significantly.
- - - Retailers - for believing Lucasfilm and Hasbro and over-ordering.
- - - - Cinemas - for continuing to demand 3D content despite a market that is burning out on it.



The figures I did purchase were on ebay or Amazon with a higher price tag. There were several figures that I really wanted this year that I never saw, and wasn't willing to pay over twice as much for. It was so bad, that the Star Wars Christmas displays at both of the Targets near me were empty, with the exception of Pods. The only saving grace in my opinion this year, was the release of the Speeder Bike. I bought this online because I feared I would never see it, and I was glad I did. This vehicle is amazing. Why it took so long for Hasbro to make this I will never understand, but thankfully they finally did. Thumbs up to that.


Sideshow finally priced me out of 12" figures this year and I stopped collecting them. However, I did pick up the 12" Boba Fett, and he is a great figure. I might still pick up main characters in the future, but it will be on a case by case basis. I hear ya.


While I look forward to the future of Star Wars in general after the sale to Disney, I am mindful that Hasbro still runs the toy line and my local retailers still run their inventory. And with that in mind, I fear that 2013 will be another repeat like 2012 and 2011.I can only say I hope it'll be better than those 2 lameo years.

Tycho
01-03-2013, 08:32 PM
It took me 3 passes to understand the correlation you're trying to make. "If they had been able to make a Star Destroyer, Star Wars fans would have had something to talk about this year," that's what you're saying? The USS Flagg wasn't during an economic boon, it was during a recession, but Hasbro had much lower manufacturing and materials costs, the Flagg was mostly hollow, and the brand was enjoying big sales due to market exposure from the TV show and commercials, as well as strong market attention from buyers heavily into the brand's numerous affordable figures and vehicles which opened the door to an experiment like the Flagg. The Flagg was not a commercial success however and is better a cautionary tale against making a Star Destroyer rather than one promoting the idea.

All good points and it falls in line with why I built my own blockade runner for it to be the scale I wanted it to be. But you got what I was saying: if we're dreaming and people have the disposeably income and space for that star destroyer (I'm thinking 9 feet long as I'd build my own).

The points you made that I keyed into was that the figures and smaller ships - like a TIE Bomber that would accessorize the destroyer are no longer affordable, right?

Figures are $10 each practically - up from $5 for the modern line (when I started stockpiling Imperials for my eventual star destroyer, btw). But even I would not care to buy Imperials at $10 each to crew a star destroyer. I forgot what my figure-count requirement would be to "staff" that thing, but it was high. My blockade runner holds 40! (that's $400 if I were staffing it at todays' costs!)


I think Vintage has outlived its usefulness. The very concept of Vintage demands the higher MSRP, its price went up originally because it was The Vintage Collection, not in spite of it.

Why did it have to? (quetion's really for Hasbro). Other cards have SW pictures on them. Other cards carry a figure in a plastic blister. It's almost like saying, "well this is a Darth Vader with a smudge on his cape, so we have to charge $15 for him." Sounds like the crap you'd hear from a scalper-dealer. Thanks Hasbro. (on the other hand I'm a stockholder so uh...this R2D2 is more retarded than the last one, so he's going to be a $20 exclusive! Yeah.")


Vintage appeals to a smaller demographic than other main lines so they had to raise the price to offset the smaller sales.

It wouldn't if they offered new figures - which they did like Wooof - one of my favorites and Colonel Cracken - never offered in ANY line before. But I understand the appeal of Vader and that serious collectors wanted these, too.


For me, Vintage has spent too much time looking backwards and that's no way to run a continuing line.
Does that mean you'd want better pictures on the cardbacks? Different characters never made before - like Nyrat Agira? Or more PT characters never carded vintage-style before?



I didn't insult anybody's tastes, at worst I spoke with a small amount of hyperbole by not using "nobody" to represent "a very minor and largely dispassionate portion of the consumer market for the item".

Just letting you know it sounded dismissive (in a disrespectful kind of way) and that might not have been what you wanted to do.


My comment had nothing to do with whether or not someone liked it, only that it was something almost nobody was clamoring for, it seems like Hasbro only did it because TPM was getting a re-release and they thought they could ride the casual consumer interest wave off of the movie with a big holiday item themed to that.

You are on to something - but also Both Sides in a conflict have to have Big vehicles if we're to keep up the arms race and make it fun. Obviously the Republic has AT-TEs, Turbo Tanks, etc The Separatists need things too - even if the Clone gear (eventual Imperial gear) is more cool. The MTT is what there was to work with. Hailfires, Tank Droids, AATs, and even Octoparras are not super-size vehicles.




I was insulting Hasbro for making a bad call putting too many eggs into the TPM re-release basket while damaging the BMF-type vehicle market.


I get it now. But I hope Hasbro has not done just that. I'd like to know what they thought of the MTT's performance since its release? I know it's not the BMF's - but no ship can compete with that. The Falcon is SW most recognizeable vehicle.



While the MTT did alright in our first round polls, coming in at #10 on the "BMF-sized vehicles" poll, in the final results it got just 2 votes. Don't blame the messenger, I am just writing editorial content based on what I see - the hardcore audience not showing great interest in the vehicle from the outset, the vehicle planned for its movie's re-release, then the movie not capturing great attention with the broader consumer base, and now the vehicle isn't selling that strongly during the crucial holiday season - and that they sacrificed the potential for broader appeal (through more play elements and such) by putting more budget into the thing's motorized gimmick.


I agree with you but don't know or have access to Hasbro's sales success records with the MTT, nor a comparison with the BMF, etc.



You can stick your head in the sand and pretend that's not true, or you can face it and temper your expectations to reality even while still wanting something, but you certainly can't fool Hasbro and consumers into stuff that has little demand through the pretense that a positive attitude is all it'll take to get it to market.

You combined discussion about the K-wing and the MTT here which didn't work. The MTT is the subject, and Hasbro has already made and released it. So they got it to market. Now a positive attitude will help to SELL it since it's there already. You're exactly right about a K-wing, but I'm not even lobbying for it (Let's get the Sailbarge!!!) I'm only saying about the bomber - that I think it's cool - but not even on the same level and multi-purpose-use as the MTT - like as an enemy large vehicle like the BAT-AT since most of our large vehicles are "good guy:" TurboTank, AT-TE, BMF....


You got your Gree on Dec 17th, 2011. I wasn't impressed enough with him to warrant a call-out in my previous YIR, he's fine but didn't seem outstanding compared to Bly and Cody.

I own Bly and Cody as well. You've even seen my Bly on display. I just have no good reason for it, but I like Gree the best. I can't explain that one. I guess I think green camaou is cool. But if Bly and Cody wore green Camaou, you'd call them "Gree," wouldn't you :P ?

bigbarada
01-04-2013, 12:15 AM
I'm a little surprised that you feel THAT much more positively about 2012. Granted, you did get several ROTJ figures you were after, but your comments last year about having almost no figures and no vehicles to look forward to, you only have a handful of figures in 2012 that you really sounded excited about.

Way back in 1983, my brother and I owned the Return of the Jedi storybook. At that point in time we didn't own any action figures at all; but I started to fall in love with the Star Wars universe through that book and I read it from cover to cover almost every day. As I tried to memorize every photo, I would pick out characters that I liked and wanted action figures of. Many of them where made in the original vintage line, like the Gamorrean Guard, Chewbacca, R2-D2, Ackbar, Wicket; but I had to wait until the modern line debuted to get four of my top choices: Darth Vader with a removable helmet, Ephant Mon, Weequay Skiffmaster, and Kithaba. Of course, the names "Weequay Skiffmaster" and "Kithaba" didn't exist back then. I actually thought that the Skiffmaster's name was "Queeqay" and I simply called Kithaba the "bulldog Skiff Guard", but I digress. As you might have guessed, Kithaba was the last character from my very first Star Wars wish list to be made into an action figure. It took 29 years, but that list has finally been completed. I think I underestimated just what an impact that milestone would have on me.

I started to notice a few years back that as I was able to scratch names off my wish list, there weren't necessarily other names moving in to take their place. Now that wishlist has emptied out completely of never-before-made figures. All that's left is Barada, but since we've had 3 versions of his character made, it's just not the same as one who has never been immortalized in plastic before.

Sure there are other characters that I think would be neat to see made into figures, but nothing else has a direct link to a childhood memory. Every single character that I pointed to, when I was between the ages of 10-13 years old, and said "I want to see a toy of that guy!" has been made in one form or another. So 2012 saw a very significant chapter come to a close in my Star Wars collecting life.

If Kithaba had been the only figure released this year, the impact would still have been the same for me; but right now I'm kind of struggling to find anything to look forward to. As a result, my interest in Star Wars seems to be fading exponentially from month to month.


I did think - and say - that the converted Ep 1 3D release in February would have virtually no impact at all, even before 3D ticket sales started slumping across the board. If it had gotten a summer or Christmas release, it might have had light impact with kids, but it's a tough sell even then due to the backlash from the overhyping and shock of Jar Jar-type decisions of the '99 release - TPM and Jar Jar are essentially the '99 version of "New Coke".

Over on Rebelscum, people were seriously expecting to see the same level of excitement and anticipation over Ep1 3D as we saw over Ep1 back in 1999 (before anyone actually saw the movie).

However, when I envision store shelves clogged with unsold Episode 1 merchandise, then I realize that those people who wanted 2012 to be a repeat of 1999 actually got their wish.


Honestly, I think unless your chief complaint with the Biker Scout is the deco, your criticisms seem pretty hollow since you've never seen one in person and they don't jive at all with the experiences I've heard from others, not to mention my own. It is an all-new sculpt, and it's way better than the POTJ figure or the tiny-headed, big-shouldered '06 figure.

I'm kind of giving the toy the benefit of the doubt for being the best vehicle of the year. I told myself that I wanted to wait until I heard some actual in-hand reviews to decide if I was going to seek it out. I don't know, maybe I'm being so critical of it because I actually do want it, but I'm trying to convince myself that I don't. I'll consider taking a trip down to TRU and looking for one this weekend.

El Chuxter
01-04-2013, 12:41 AM
Comparing Jar Jar to new Coke isn't fair. Jar Jar would've been tolerable with a toned-down role, and some character development in the sequels. New Coke was just ****.

Still, isn't it kinda funny that Coke is still "Coca-Cola Classic," when the debacle that led to the "Classic" is so long gone that it's only remembered when someone compares it to Jar Jar?

JediTricks
01-04-2013, 03:25 PM
I will respond to the rest here later, but firstly I have 2 things on my mind...

- "New Coke" is just Pepsi, they simply aped Pepsi's sweeter taste trying to appeal to a younger audience.

- It's being reported that Build-A-Droid is officially canceled. To be honest, this changes my outlook on 2013 considerably for the worse - no Clone Wars figures worth interest, no Realistic figures worth interest, no Vehicles worth interest, what the hell is the point of having the Star Wars license if you don't put out Star Wars licensed product?!? Coming off 2 of the worst years in collecting since 1996, where we've lost more collectors in our community than ever before, only to put the brakes on every expression worth a damn is a disaster. How does Hasbro really expecting this brand to stay alive on life support for yet another 8 months or so after this much trauma?!? I dunno, this feels like a major defeat, I wanted to give Hasbro every chance to turn it around, but instead they have walked the brand in front of a train.

bigbarada
01-04-2013, 07:28 PM
Well, I bought the Speeder Bike today. They were pretty plentiful at the TRU in Springfield. I didn't take advantage of the "buy one, get one 50% off" special because I thought it would be better to only risk $24 on a toy I wasn't sure about rather than $36 on two toys I wasn't sure about (if they had had the Ewoks pack in stock, I probably would have bought that). The way the toy was presented in the packaging was not blowing me away at all and the "weathering" paint is the worst I've ever seen and is probably the best argument for why Hasbro should just stop attempting to apply "weathering" to their toys with paint. The Biker Scout himself just looks like Cheapsville from head to toe.

I took the toy home and told myself that if it didn't totally blow me away once I got it out of the packaging, then I was packing it back up and returning it next week. So, I got the Bike and the Scout out of the box and put them on the stand and the first thought that ran through my head was, "Why did I NOT take advantage of the 'buy one, get one 50% off' sale? This thing is amazing!" This is definitely one of those instances where the overall coolness factor of the toy completely overshadows any individual shortcomings. So, I think this thing has definitely earned a "best vehicle of 2012" vote from me.

JediTricks
01-04-2013, 11:42 PM
I've never been too huge a fan of video games in general (not just Star Wars ones), at least not on the level I'm a fan of the figures. I still play Battlefront II with some regularity, and have been known to break out the SNES trilogy games from time to time, though most other games are played through once or twice (especially the highly replayable LEGO series) and then not really touched much after that. 1313 looks interesting, but I'm not sure how much of that is just interest in the world itself, and we're already going to visit the Coruscant underworld in The Clone Wars this season so I may get my fill there.I see. I was playing Battlefront II for a long while, but slowly it faded away as the PS3 got enough good games to steal my attention. I still love the concept and can't imagine why Lucasarts has made it into such a massive problem with all the foot-dragging and company-shifting on the probably-vaporware SW:BF3.

I just finished playing Uncharted 2 for PS3 and that game is amazing, it's a stunningly beautiful world but also an immersive adventure gameplay style, certainly not just "there because it's Coruscant" for me, in fact I wouldn't care if it world-hopped a la TFU, it's the Star Wars type of adventure I crave.



Thankfully I only bought one or two at $10 and the rest were on some sort of sale, ranging from TRU's multiple buy-two-get-one-free sales to Brian's Toys' $4.99 sale, so it's not quite as nutty as it seems. (It's close, though.) Hasbro seems hung up on keeping his hands neutral and not giving him bulky wrist articulation, but you're right, an alternate set of arms - or even just an alternate left arm - would have been ideal. I've been a proponent of having a Battle Droid that can hold the blaster properly, but I ended up loving this one anyway since it's so damn cool in every other respect.Still a lot of coin, but I am glad you got most on sale.

I think they told me at Comic-Con the thin wall design of the arms makes mass-produced articulation that meets Hasbro quality and safety standards impossible, and we discussed the idea of alternate arms but it was a casual conversation so I don't remember what came of that. I know they're gunshy about doing more alternate body parts, that it takes away from the toy-ness, but in this case I really can't think of a better, easier, or even cheaper way of achieving a screen-accurate Battle Droid ready for battle.


I agree. The Biker Scout is great, but even if it isn't to your 100% satisfaction, you're doing yourself a disservice by not getting the set since the Speeder Bike is amazing. Some photos online I've seen of the Biker Scout have been posed extremely poorly, but if you do it right he looks great on or off the bike.IMO, this is easily the best Biker Scout sculpt, but having googled the set, I do see what you mean about horrible poses ruling the day, why does nobody just stand the guy up and start from there??? They generally seem to have him posed like he just took a dump in his armor. Everything is sculpted more accurately and more to human proportions, yet a diagonal hip hinge seems to make people think it's hard to pose.


Does that mean you'd want better pictures on the cardbacks? Different characters never made before - like Nyrat Agira? Or more PT characters never carded vintage-style before?The whole packaged experience is looking backwards, that is not a new product, it's not bright, it's not dynamic, it's terrible at showing off the product, there's no room for pack-ins or better accessories, it's difficult to put on pegs and sift through, the card back has no character details and even after the redesign doesn't look all that good, the giant picture is selling characters that haven't been on the big screen in at least 7 years - focusing on the character alone isn't enough right now - so the whole look is only there to appeal via nostalgia. And putting new characters on old-style cards really doesn't help, it's still a line trying to sell to people in the 1970s, not the 2010s.


You are on to something - but also Both Sides in a conflict have to have Big vehicles if we're to keep up the arms race and make it fun. Obviously the Republic has AT-TEs, Turbo Tanks, etc The Separatists need things too - even if the Clone gear (eventual Imperial gear) is more cool. The MTT is what there was to work with. Hailfires, Tank Droids, AATs, and even Octoparras are not super-size vehicles.The MTT isn't a ship-to-ship battle vehicle, and in its big screen battle it didn't shoot a single shot and didn't face off against another large vehicle (unless you want to count the Fambaa, which I don't). The clones have vehicles, the droids have sheer numbers AND variety.


You combined discussion about the K-wing and the MTT here which didn't work. The MTT is the subject, and Hasbro has already made and released it. So they got it to market. Now a positive attitude will help to SELL it since it's there already. You're exactly right about a K-wing, but I'm not even lobbying for it (Let's get the Sailbarge!!!) I'm only saying about the bomber - that I think it's cool - but not even on the same level and multi-purpose-use as the MTT - like as an enemy large vehicle like the BAT-AT since most of our large vehicles are "good guy:" TurboTank, AT-TE, BMF....I didn't combine anything, you had the MTT and K-wing in the same paragraph. Your YIR comments involved a Gungan Sub, Republic Cruiser, Kaminoan clone facility craft, Medical Frigate, and K-wing all as a response to my claim that "nobody wanted the MTT", read your own comments again.



Way back in 1983, my brother and I owned the Return of the Jedi storybook. At that point in time we didn't own any action figures at all; but I started to fall in love with the Star Wars universe through that book and I read it from cover to cover almost every day. As I tried to memorize every photo, I would pick out characters that I liked and wanted action figures of. Many of them where made in the original vintage line, like the Gamorrean Guard, Chewbacca, R2-D2, Ackbar, Wicket; but I had to wait until the modern line debuted to get four of my top choices: Darth Vader with a removable helmet, Ephant Mon, Weequay Skiffmaster, and Kithaba. Of course, the names "Weequay Skiffmaster" and "Kithaba" didn't exist back then. I actually thought that the Skiffmaster's name was "Queeqay" and I simply called Kithaba the "bulldog Skiff Guard", but I digress. As you might have guessed, Kithaba was the last character from my very first Star Wars wish list to be made into an action figure. It took 29 years, but that list has finally been completed. I think I underestimated just what an impact that milestone would have on me.

I started to notice a few years back that as I was able to scratch names off my wish list, there weren't necessarily other names moving in to take their place. Now that wishlist has emptied out completely of never-before-made figures. All that's left is Barada, but since we've had 3 versions of his character made, it's just not the same as one who has never been immortalized in plastic before.

Sure there are other characters that I think would be neat to see made into figures, but nothing else has a direct link to a childhood memory. Every single character that I pointed to, when I was between the ages of 10-13 years old, and said "I want to see a toy of that guy!" has been made in one form or another. So 2012 saw a very significant chapter come to a close in my Star Wars collecting life.

If Kithaba had been the only figure released this year, the impact would still have been the same for me; but right now I'm kind of struggling to find anything to look forward to. As a result, my interest in Star Wars seems to be fading exponentially from month to month.Without engaging on a personal level with SW anymore - either through watching the movies again, or playing with the figures - perhaps it's just time to put it in an emotional drawer and prepare yourself for closing it. That's ok, not everything can be forever. I sometimes feel that way about SW after the last few years of collecting have taken the wind out of my sails - I remember noticing Derryl's muted reaction when I told him vehicles were a large part of why I was still in the brand, not realizing he knew that the line was going to ween off of those and I'd be left with less attachment as a result, maybe that's where it is for you too and you can see it coming clearer.

And yet we still don't have a Leia or Han ANH worth a crap. :p




Over on Rebelscum, people were seriously expecting to see the same level of excitement and anticipation over Ep1 3D as we saw over Ep1 back in 1999 (before anyone actually saw the movie). Talk about their self delusion! No way in hell a February release could ever get any attention at all, especially a 13-year-old post-converted 3D re-release of a film widely derided as damaging a well-loved brand.


However, when I envision store shelves clogged with unsold Episode 1 merchandise, then I realize that those people who wanted 2012 to be a repeat of 1999 actually got their wish.OOOOOOOOOH! Good burn! Oh, but it also burned us, sad. :(


I'm kind of giving the toy the benefit of the doubt for being the best vehicle of the year. I told myself that I wanted to wait until I heard some actual in-hand reviews to decide if I was going to seek it out. I don't know, maybe I'm being so critical of it because I actually do want it, but I'm trying to convince myself that I don't. I'll consider taking a trip down to TRU and looking for one this weekend.And then you said...


Well, I bought the Speeder Bike today. They were pretty plentiful at the TRU in Springfield. I didn't take advantage of the "buy one, get one 50% off" special because I thought it would be better to only risk $24 on a toy I wasn't sure about rather than $36 on two toys I wasn't sure about (if they had had the Ewoks pack in stock, I probably would have bought that). The way the toy was presented in the packaging was not blowing me away at all and the "weathering" paint is the worst I've ever seen and is probably the best argument for why Hasbro should just stop attempting to apply "weathering" to their toys with paint. The Biker Scout himself just looks like Cheapsville from head to toe.

I took the toy home and told myself that if it didn't totally blow me away once I got it out of the packaging, then I was packing it back up and returning it next week. So, I got the Bike and the Scout out of the box and put them on the stand and the first thought that ran through my head was, "Why did I NOT take advantage of the 'buy one, get one 50% off' sale? This thing is amazing!" This is definitely one of those instances where the overall coolness factor of the toy completely overshadows any individual shortcomings. So, I think this thing has definitely earned a "best vehicle of 2012" vote from me.Heh heh, awesome. You can return with the receipt if the sale's still in effect and get that BOGO action (if your store is cool, the register lady will just do it on the spot for you if you bring her another one, if not buy 2 on the sale and then return one using the original receipt). Glad you enjoyed it, but I do look forward to hearing more detail about why you feel the Scout figure looks cheap (aside from the paint, which, yeah).

Hasbro weathering has sucked on vehicles FOR YEARS NOW, even their better efforts like the Landspeeder still have these same goofy blobs of silver paint that look either like someone got into the silver Sharpies and went to town, or like a robot sneezed on the vehicle. I am considering tracking down some ultra-fine-grit paper and taking the solid silver down on mine.

Tycho
01-05-2013, 02:36 AM
And the V19 Torrent never got any weathering

JediTricks
01-06-2013, 10:46 PM
No it didn't, and that mold suffered for it terribly.


So, nobody else have any opinions about 2012 in collecting?

RendarStillLives
01-13-2013, 06:06 AM
Hey all. Been so long I couldn't remember my login or old email.

I don't think it's fair to say JT is being negative. His review seemed kind of harsh but he has always criticised toy releases in incredible detail, even stuff he loves. Almost like a fine wine connoisseur.

It's no secret I have been frustrated with distribution, retcons and what seems to be every market cutting corners by delivering inferior product at higher prices. I used to buy stuff I really didn't feel I had to have just to support the line in hopes that things would improve but you gotta draw the line somewhere.

I hate change even though it's inevitable. Bringing Darth Maul back on TCW just didn't shock me with how the Star Wars franchise is handled by different media. I do enjoy watching TCW with my kids and the stories have come a long way since season 1. I would hope they don't continue to milk it though. I'd like to see them move on to Luke and Han's adventures during the rebellion or something. It certainly seems a great many things these days are either prototype by design or a remake of a formula that worked before. I grew up reading comics and for 30 some years there was continuity. Now days though they throw that out the window. I didn't start reading Spider-Man from his first appearance. I was born in '81. But I grew to love the characters so much that I had to pick up reprints and trades. Like with Star Wars that is what keeps something alive for decades. With all the fresh starts and relaunches you won't have that. Not one overwhelming fan base but several niche groups. That's where I see Star Wars heading. A divided fan base.

I was happy to hear Disney bought Lucasfilm. I like their pirate movies and they own Marvel and have done a decent job of letting Marvel do their thing. George seems to ***** as much as the fanboys do these days. His heart just isn't in it anymore. I am glad we will be able to see new movies even if they don't flow with the expanded universe stuff I have grown to love over the last ten years or so.

I don't understand why 2011 was such a bad year. Snowspeeders, Tauntauns, a really cool Jango, Dagobah Landing Luke, Zam Wessel and a brand new Wicket really had me excited for what could be done with the line if Hasbro could keep it up. Was the new AT-AT released too or was that 2010? Either way that thing is an amazing playset/vehicle. 2012 on the other hand has made me all but give up on the toys. I collect Transformers too and I have seen costs go up and quality drop like a rock. I was excited for the new Darth Maul figure. Looked every bit as promising as TVC Jango. It had an amazing sculpt and accessories but do I dare say articulation has become a gimmick or that often times it seems pointless? I love dynamically posing my figures but sometimes I feel that there is so much poseability that a toy no longer becomes fun to play with or even on display looks odd with all the joints. My chief grief with Maul is that the plastic used seemed so flimsy and rubbery like a Battle Droid. It just feels inferior to other figures. I bought Hoth Luke and Nom Anor online. Two each at twice the MSRP. After opening Luke I felt so disappointed I didn't even bother opening one of my Nom Anors. It didn't even have an plorin boll eye. Just two regular ones. I don't know what to say. I loved the NJO books. They spanned some of the best years of my life and whenever I hear a character like Corran Horn, Jaina, Jacen or Anakin Solo is coming out as a figure I jump at them no matter how lame they might be.

I passed on Qui-Gon. Love the character and would have loved one on vintage card. But it's a figure I already have and in spite of there being a more modern and uniform version of his lightsaber they still refuse to release him with it instead of the version we have been getting with every release since TPM was first put on the big screen. The head is a bit goofy too.

I was really looking forward to the new Naboo Fighter. Especially since many of the features suggested in the Hasbro Q&A were put into it. Sadly all I saw were shelves crammed with re-releases. I couldn't afford to buy a whole case of vehicles I already have online just for one new ship. I am sorry but it really takes the wind out of my sails to see new and exciting product (vehicles and figures) short packed or unavailable because a company is trying to save a buck and cut corners by wrapping old tooling up in a new package. That on top of the rising costs and poor quality plain ****es me off. Then we as consumers get blamed for not drinking the cool-aid and buying the crap.

For me the highlight was the Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon with light up sabers. If I remember correctly they were due out in March/April. I found a couple just before Christmas. The LEDs are blindingly bright! They have articulation, not the greatest but I am enjoying them so much more than any other Star Wars figures I own at this point. Since online orders for them seemed non-existant unless you ordered a case I was afraid I would never see them. Well worth the $20 I paid. I certainly hope Hasbro plans to release Luke, Ben Kenobi, and Vader in with light up sabers. They are far better than the old light up figures from POTF however I hope they don't go too crazy and release every Jedi and Sith because the novelty would wear off quick.

In a nutshell I would rather see less articulation and more accessories like the Destroyer Droid with blast effect and shield bubble or build a droid even though I never felt compelled to buy a whole wave to complete a droid.

As far as games go I loved Battlefront 2. I bought a new PS2 last spring because I knew my current one was about to burn out, just so I could play certain games like BF2, Rogue Galaxy, MGS and Resident Evil. With the Metal Gear HD collection and RE6 Anthology I have 2 games total that keep my PS2 from becoming obsolete.

The new speeder bike looked great. I couldn't tell if the Bikerscout was new at all. Adding a new joint to a Stormtrooper every year just never justified me purchasing each new version. The speederbike is even on a clear stand and positioned in a window box that I could proudly display it without even opening it. I still passed it up though in favor of some other things that are more of a priority for me at this point.

I don't play games online. I like having a friend, my cousin, wife or kids in the room with me and playing. The whole online thing is lost on me. Kind of like facebook. Most of my friends message me on there than text or call my phone. Wtf? I thought it was bad when people started texting instead of calling. Guess I just value human interaction more. Lol. Look at me, 31 going on 60.

Going forward? I am looking forward to the new Mara Jade and Anakin figures. I am hoping the Naboo Fighter will get a re-release (thanks for informing me it does indeed have landing gear). The new trilogy of books focusing on Jaina might be cool and explain how the imperial knights are established (I would still love to see some Legacy characters made into figures), the new movies though down the road are something I look forward to. Other than that? I don't know. Maybe it's time to start putting all the money I used to spend on Star Wars and Transformers into a hobby car.

We also got Star Wars Kinect in 2012. My daughters love the Jedi Danc stuff and I find the parody lyrics amusing. My sons enjoy being Rancors and the exclusive R2 360 is pretty neat. My first X-Box so it wasn't like I went out of my way to get it.

I forgot to mention we got a really cool Slave-1 last year. I passed it up because the extra $25 in a Jedi Starfighter and another $25 at least in figures bumped the cost way too high for me to justify the purchase. This is why Hasbro likely decided it didn't sell well enough and is giving us a single figure scale version for 2013 instead of re-releasing TCW version individually and/or repainting it in ESB colors.

It's just a shame and I'm sorry there isn't anything more I can do about it. As a fan base we have told Hasbro our complaints until we are blue in the face and I know from the administrators interviews with the Star Wars team that they think a lot like us but their hands are tied by retailers and Hasbro corporate. The only thing I know left to do is speak with my wallet and not buy anymore until things get better. Maybe when there is enough lack of sales Hasbro execs and retailers will start listening again. It's just like politics, the people have the power, they just don't know it anymore.

Sorry for the multiple posts. Mobile isn't the best media for commenting on forums.

JediTricks
01-13-2013, 06:26 PM
Hey all. Been so long I couldn't remember my login or old email.Wow, long time no see! I just checked, it's been almost a year to the day since you last posted! I'm not allowed to tell you the username on the email, but does knowing it's at comcast.net help? Or we could just stick with this new one, that's fine too.


I don't think it's fair to say JT is being negative. His review seemed kind of harsh but he has always criticised toy releases in incredible detail, even stuff he loves. Almost like a fine wine connoisseur. Thanks, that's very kind of you.


It's no secret I have been frustrated with distribution, retcons and what seems to be every market cutting corners by delivering inferior product at higher prices. I used to buy stuff I really didn't feel I had to have just to support the line in hopes that things would improve but you gotta draw the line somewhere.Seems like every collector right now is feeling that way, to lesser or greater degree. Just a bad last few years, although it is nice to find the bright spots as we do in these YIRs.


I hate change even though it's inevitable. Bringing Darth Maul back on TCW just didn't shock me with how the Star Wars franchise is handled by different media. I do enjoy watching TCW with my kids and the stories have come a long way since season 1. I would hope they don't continue to milk it though. I'd like to see them move on to Luke and Han's adventures during the rebellion or something. It certainly seems a great many things these days are either prototype by design or a remake of a formula that worked before. I grew up reading comics and for 30 some years there was continuity. Now days though they throw that out the window. I didn't start reading Spider-Man from his first appearance. I was born in '81. But I grew to love the characters so much that I had to pick up reprints and trades. Like with Star Wars that is what keeps something alive for decades. With all the fresh starts and relaunches you won't have that. Not one overwhelming fan base but several niche groups. That's where I see Star Wars heading. A divided fan base.Maul is coming back again next week, I believe.

What a good idea, having a show about Luke & Han's adventures during the rebellion would be awesome, there's 3 years between ANH and ESB that would make a great animated series - it's the same amount of time between AOTC and ROTS, and they fit Clone Wars in there... twice! There's a lot of ideas from the very oldest EU - novels and Marvel comics - that could help spur ideas for a show like that without stepping on too many toes. It seems like the current animation studio Lucasfilm has going now would be perfect for it.

As for throwing out old EU, keep in mind that before the '90s these stories would just step all over each other since, as you said, there was no continuity - so while Marvel would be saying and doing something for a while, a novel might come by and say the polar opposite. The "just off screen" stuff used to be looser when there wasn't an industry behind it. I don't mind a continuity doing the same thing, stepping on those toes, but it'd be nice if it was loose enough to allow more stories from the OT, it seems like the OT has been deadlocked for too long - then again, I dunno what the brand new Star Wars #1 from Dark Horse is about, maybe it's covering that area again.



I don't understand why 2011 was such a bad year. Snowspeeders, Tauntauns, a really cool Jango, Dagobah Landing Luke, Zam Wessel and a brand new Wicket really had me excited for what could be done with the line if Hasbro could keep it up. Was the new AT-AT released too or was that 2010? Either way that thing is an amazing playset/vehicle. 2012 on the other hand has made me all but give up on the toys. I collect Transformers too and I have seen costs go up and quality drop like a rock. I was excited for the new Darth Maul figure. Looked every bit as promising as TVC Jango. It had an amazing sculpt and accessories but do I dare say articulation has become a gimmick or that often times it seems pointless? I love dynamically posing my figures but sometimes I feel that there is so much poseability that a toy no longer becomes fun to play with or even on display looks odd with all the joints. My chief grief with Maul is that the plastic used seemed so flimsy and rubbery like a Battle Droid. It just feels inferior to other figures. I bought Hoth Luke and Nom Anor online. Two each at twice the MSRP. After opening Luke I felt so disappointed I didn't even bother opening one of my Nom Anors. It didn't even have an plorin boll eye. Just two regular ones. I don't know what to say. I loved the NJO books. They spanned some of the best years of my life and whenever I hear a character like Corran Horn, Jaina, Jacen or Anakin Solo is coming out as a figure I jump at them no matter how lame they might be.

I passed on Qui-Gon. Love the character and would have loved one on vintage card. But it's a figure I already have and in spite of there being a more modern and uniform version of his lightsaber they still refuse to release him with it instead of the version we have been getting with every release since TPM was first put on the big screen. The head is a bit goofy too.2011 looks good compared to 2012, but at the end of 2011 we had very few new Clone Wars figures compared to the years prior, a price increase, a TVC wave of pure recards that dominated shelves, the live-action show had just been effectively canceled instead of being a year away from airing, Hasbro SW Q&A died, distribution disasters, and there were only 2 new vehicles - the Republic Attack Shuttle, and the AV-7 walking cannon - and the Target Vintage Tauntaun and Landspeeder sets came out $10 higher than they were designed to be. The Snowspeeder mold was actually from 2010, wasn't the vintage package version also from then? And that Jango, while cool, is only a slight change from the Evolutions one from 2008 (just the cloak, redesigned rocket and jetpack, and the forearm blades, IIRC). The new AT-AT was in summer 2010.

Transformers in 2012 was brutal with cost hikes coming at the same time as quality going down and product size dropping, if it weren't for a few bright spots like Masterpiece Optimus and Thundercracker, TFP Vehicon and Wheeljack, and the GDO releases I don't think that brand would have survived 2012 at all. Being a collector of both SW and TF in 2012 was so painful.

I thought about calling out TVC Darth Maul, but when I was looking at the figure the sculpt on the horns is so soft and too big, the hood doesn't fit correctly, he doesn't have a mid-torso universal joint despite being probably the most gymnastic character in the SW universe, and his wrist controller is permanently sculpted to his gauntlet. It's a good figure, but I was hoping after Hasbro talked about TVC being figures we collectors "would never have to buy again" from being so spot-on that this new Maul would be sharper and more dynamic than it turned out - especially with the Savage Opress having such a good execution not long before.

Your point about articulation is understandable, Hasbro has scaled back on the mid-torso articulation already for partly that reason I think. I've always preferred more expressive articuation, even as a kid I took GI Joe ARAH figures over Star Wars much of the time because they were more poseable, but sometimes articulation does get in the way of just enjoying a figure - either from tangling the experience, or uglying up the sculpt.

About the eye thing on Nom Anor, they are different, his right eye has a black pupil and his left is all blue in the iris area, but they should have made the right eye brown instead of blue. They did try to match the art they used, it just didn't execute well. I feel your pain on the disappointments though.

Where did they do a better Qui-Gon saber accessory? The one they use most often is the blobby oversized simple mess from 1999, I can't remember a usable one - they did the Saga one with the removable blade, but they had so much breakage that Hasbro stays away from them now. They do need to fix that, and get QGJ a better head sculpt and nicer arms.


I was really looking forward to the new Naboo Fighter. Especially since many of the features suggested in the Hasbro Q&A were put into it. Sadly all I saw were shelves crammed with re-releases. I couldn't afford to buy a whole case of vehicles I already have online just for one new ship. I am sorry but it really takes the wind out of my sails to see new and exciting product (vehicles and figures) short packed or unavailable because a company is trying to save a buck and cut corners by wrapping old tooling up in a new package. That on top of the rising costs and poor quality plain ****es me off. Then we as consumers get blamed for not drinking the cool-aid and buying the crap.Testify! Someone is deluded thinking the market could bear that many Jedi Starfighters for that long. You steal variety from the shelves and of course it's going to languish. And the choices of vehicles - super old podracer vehicles, more Jedi Starfighters, the tiny Sith Infiltrator, the green AT-AP, the V-19 Torrent - nobody was dying for any of this stuff, half of it was Hasbro buying into the TPM overhype, the other half is just laziness, picking prequel-era stuff to get more use out of a mold.


The new speeder bike looked great. I couldn't tell if the Bikerscout was new at all. Adding a new joint to a Stormtrooper every year just never justified me purchasing each new version. The speederbike is even on a clear stand and positioned in a window box that I could proudly display it without even opening it. I still passed it up though in favor of some other things that are more of a priority for me at this point.100% new Biker Scout, this has come up enough from collectors that I guess Hasbro should have put a comment about that on the box. In person, it looks much nicer IMO than the VOTC one from a few years ago - helmet is better to scale, shoulders aren't so big, sculpt is sharper. They were planning a single-carded release, who knows now.


I don't play games online. I like having a friend, my cousin, wife or kids in the room with me and playing. The whole online thing is lost on me. Kind of like facebook. Most of my friends message me on there than text or call my phone. Wtf? I thought it was bad when people started texting instead of calling. Guess I just value human interaction more. Lol. Look at me, 31 going on 60.Yeah, WTF grandpa, LOL? ;) If you don't play games online, does that mean you are only playing the single player version of Battlefront 2? That's tragic, the online experience was so good back in the day, I loved my crew.


Going forward? I am looking forward to the new Mara Jade and Anakin figures. I am hoping the Naboo Fighter will get a re-release (thanks for informing me it does indeed have landing gear). The new trilogy of books focusing on Jaina might be cool and explain how the imperial knights are established (I would still love to see some Legacy characters made into figures), the new movies though down the road are something I look forward to. Other than that? I don't know. Maybe it's time to start putting all the money I used to spend on Star Wars and Transformers into a hobby car.Last year it was Ralph McQuarrie art for me, this year I guess it'll be frames to put that art up on my walls.


We also got Star Wars Kinect in 2012. My daughters love the Jedi Danc stuff and I find the parody lyrics amusing. My sons enjoy being Rancors and the exclusive R2 360 is pretty neat. My first X-Box so it wasn't like I went out of my way to get it.

I forgot to mention we got a really cool Slave-1 last year. I passed it up because the extra $25 in a Jedi Starfighter and another $25 at least in figures bumped the cost way too high for me to justify the purchase. This is why Hasbro likely decided it didn't sell well enough and is giving us a single figure scale version for 2013 instead of re-releasing TCW version individually and/or repainting it in ESB colors.

It's just a shame and I'm sorry there isn't anything more I can do about it. As a fan base we have told Hasbro our complaints until we are blue in the face and I know from the administrators interviews with the Star Wars team that they think a lot like us but their hands are tied by retailers and Hasbro corporate. The only thing I know left to do is speak with my wallet and not buy anymore until things get better. Maybe when there is enough lack of sales Hasbro execs and retailers will start listening again. It's just like politics, the people have the power, they just don't know it anymore.

Sorry for the multiple posts. Mobile isn't the best media for commenting on forums.Glad to hear your family enjoys SW Kinect, it looked like fun but got a lot of harsh reviews. I don't have an xbox so I could only pay attention from the fan perspective.

Slave I was summer 2010, it IS planned to get an ESB re-release this year, who knows if it'll be cheaper when it does.

Don't worry about the multiple posts, I'll put them back together.

RendarStillLives
01-14-2013, 03:32 AM
Thanks. I appreciate the help but I will just stick with the new screen name. I remember the email address, just not the password for it so even if you sent my login info to it I couldn't retrieve it.

As far as TCW goes some of my favorite episodes were Obi-Wan going under cover. Alec Guines's portrayal of Ben seemed more like a mischievious old man while the prequels have him act like a by the book Jedi in TPM, kind of a hypocrite in AOTC and getting more care free by ROTS. I like seeing that character growth. Plo Koon is also a character I have never thought much of but has become a favorite because of the cartoon.

As for Transformers the TFP Vehicon was a engineering marvel! I passed on the MP-10 Optimus. There are things I like about it compared to the MP-01 version like the scale and trailer but there were just as many cons (pardon the pun). I am crossing my fingers for a white repaint and different trailer that becomes armor so I can finally have a masterpiece Ultra Magnus. TFP Ultra Magnus is pretty cool but he could use a lot of paint to bring out his sculpted details.

Sadly Hasbro's big sell for 2011 barely made it to stores with Bruticus. I saw 3 of the Combaticons once and never again. Some online places had the set going for more than $100. I received both the retail and G2 versions for Christmas (minus the retail brawl). I have mixed emotions about Bruticus but have already seen wave 3 hit stores and unless they refresh the Combaticons I have a feeling a lot of folks missed their chance on getting it.

My TVC Darth Maul's lightsaber hilt doesn't plug into his belt. The hole is too shallow. I wasn't sure if it was just mine but between the front of his cloak and his arm there doesn't seem to be a lot of room to hang it there anyways.

I only ever saw shirtless Opress. I never found the armored version which I wanted. I could have picked up the 3-pack I suppose but it just didn't appeal to me as a set.

Hm. Both the Nom Anors I have look like blue pupils and I guess I didn't notice if one eye was more black because I chalked it up to poor paint applications. Lol. I guess from reading the books I expected it to look a lot more different than Columbo's glass eye.

I was referring to the Saga Blue and Gold card for Qui-Gon's lightsaber. I know they have gone away from using the removable blades but they still use a lot of the hilts from those and have either made new sculpts or simply molded them as one piece. I figured they could do the same with Qui-Gon's saber. It was slimmer and had the burst effect as is standard on all lightsabers these days.

Was I the only one who was able to find the light up Saber Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon? They sculpts are superior to TVC versions and the brightness of the lightsabers you have to see to believe. The articulation isn't what we have come to expect from TVC. The right arm is straight, the left arm has universal elbows as do the knees and the hips and shoulders just go back and forth. No waist, ankle or wrist articulation. Heads are on ball joints and are the best representations of the characters so far imo. The joints are well hidden too except on Kenobi's right arm if you have it bent. I just threw on their Legacy counterparts robes to hide it and the straight right arms. They are also easy to spot on pegs thanks to the big arrows on the bubble pointing to their crotches saying "try me". If you don't have them you're missing out.

From the detail I saw on TVC AOTC Anakin's sabers I am disappointed they don't paint all the sabers so well. Almost every version of TPM Kenobi's saber in few years has been inaccurate. Just that little attention to detail and I would have picked the TVC version up.

I'm surprised the new Bikerscout didn't have a removable helmet or flip up visor since I've seen versions of it that do have that feature. Maybe it's worth another look after all. Would the feet of the new speederbike...

...peg into the slots in the back of the Republic Gunship?

Lol. I play BF2 with my kids on splitscreen. Wife gets on my case about going over gigs. Which is why I try using my phone for these posts which is unlimited. So if you can point me in the direction of someone who does unlimited gigs for a mobile hotspot at a reasonable price then you'd be making both of us happy.

Yeah. Because the last couple years have been so rough being a collector I have started to dabble in other areas like Kotobokay....whatevers artfx statues and legos. Pre-ordered my 10 year old the Jaina statue (her favorite character) but it keeps getting pushed back and I am afraid it won't be here by her birthday. I swear that thing was supposed to come out 3rd quarter 2011.

Star Wars Kinect we started the campaign but the sub games for it are more fun. It is a workout. PX90 eat your heart out. The Kinect also refuses to recognize my 4 year old for some reason much to his dismay cause we got him angry birds for it. I'm surprised you don't have an X-Box. Almost everyone I know prefers it to PS3 but me. I got it last tax season so the kids wouldn't wanna play my PS3 all the time. Lol.

Ah. I thought the big Slave-1 was 2011 because I didn't see it hit shelves til the holidays at TRU and then so it on end caps forever spring of 2012. I don't think it ever dropped below $90 on clearance. I was hoping it would. I wouldn't mind AOTC or ESB paint job. I liked it. I just wish it had been cheaper or packed with stuff I would want like a TVC Naboo Fighter. Hopefully it won't be that tiny Yoda Package one I have seen on Rebelscum. I still have my SOTE version to tide me over until we get a decent release.

I'm glad to see all the usual suspects here but I am a little surprised there aren't more responses with this thread being up for over a week.

Oh! Forgot to mention the light up Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon one more time. :-)

The bottom portion of their tunics is soft rubber and removable via tab/peg so they fit into vehicles just fine but the included instruction manual (telling you to push the belt buckle to make them light up. Wtf?) Doesn't show how to replace the batteries.

Again, sorry for all the multiple posts. You mods already do a ton of volunteer work here and I don't mean to make it any harder on you.

JediTricks
01-17-2013, 04:04 PM
Based on Aayla showing up on 2 separate "best figures of 2012" lists here, as well as JabbaJohn's "figure of the year" choice, when I found one yesterday at TRU I bought it, and to be honest... I'm not sure I understand why this figure is getting such high marks.

Let me preface by saying this is the first Aayla figure I've bought outside Clone Wars, I don't really have an attachment to the character and think her costume is a tad silly for Star Wars, but that's probably due to coming from the comics.

The claim that this looks just like actress Amy Allen is baffeling to me, there's a huge picture of the character portrayed by Ms Allen on the card and the figure looks nothing like that face. Don't get me wrong, the figure's face is attractive but the figure's eyes are smaller and smokier (Amy Allen's eyes are big and round and inquisitive, they pop out as the character because the rest of the face is colored blue), the nose is narrower, the upper face wider, and the horn/ear things are far too low compared to the actress as the character.

Then there's the skin color, which is simply too dark, and the blue has a bit of a hue difference as well. The deco on the figure is otherwise good, although the lip rouge paint is overboard.

My biggest problem with the figure though is the hips, as soon as I got this figure off the card and out of the robe, the hips were attrocious and got worse when I started using them. The figure is pear-shaped, there's no way around this, the articulation requires too much space (despite her myriad of other joints being very nicely proportioned) so she has thunder thighs at the top and her hips are significantly wider than her shoulders. I can't get past the width of those hips compared to her shoulders, the character is somewhat svelte and this figure loses that entirely. Then, to add insult to injury, the joint requires a sideways hinge that hinges from almost the middle of the thigh, so there's no spread-leg action pose this figure can take that won't look like someone snapped her femur in half - the design of that joint has no understanding of human anatomy, or more likely simply threw out that knowledge to shoehorn the joint onto a body which couldn't support it.

The final issue is her accessories, the lightsaber hilts are too big, and the shoulders on her robe are too wide.

It's not a bad figure, the face is pleasant, the articulation works well except for the hips, the sculpt is generally alright, the paint good, but I don't see it coming close to "top marks" territory and don't understand it. Is the love due to attachment to the character? I have none, so that doesn't affect me with this figure. Is it about being so much better than previous realistic Aayla figures? I've heard they are pretty mediocre, so I didn't bother there either, but as much an improvement as this might be, is that enough of a reason to elevate it to "best of 2012" territory over the quality of its own merits?


Also, I finally found a red-bandana Kithaba and picked it up, it looks way better than the brown version, but overall it doesn't help that figure, it's still too lanky compared to the character.



Thanks. I appreciate the help but I will just stick with the new screen name. I remember the email address, just not the password for it so even if you sent my login info to it I couldn't retrieve it.Ah, ok. There ya go then.


As far as TCW goes some of my favorite episodes were Obi-Wan going under cover. Alec Guines's portrayal of Ben seemed more like a mischievious old man while the prequels have him act like a by the book Jedi in TPM, kind of a hypocrite in AOTC and getting more care free by ROTS. I like seeing that character growth. Plo Koon is also a character I have never thought much of but has become a favorite because of the cartoon.I couldn't agree more than the majority of the time, Obi-Wan's AOTC and TCW personality is very stick in the mud, kind of a Jedi snob, and I find it grating because the problem is clearly the writing. He's constantly nagging and acting superior and humorless, it was good to see him break out of that mold.


As for Transformers the TFP Vehicon was a engineering marvel! I passed on the MP-10 Optimus. There are things I like about it compared to the MP-01 version like the scale and trailer but there were just as many cons (pardon the pun). I am crossing my fingers for a white repaint and different trailer that becomes armor so I can finally have a masterpiece Ultra Magnus. TFP Ultra Magnus is pretty cool but he could use a lot of paint to bring out his sculpted details.I spotted TFP Ultra Magnus for $13 at TJ Maxx the other day, but kids wanted him so bad that I couldn't help but hand it to them. I have the Cyberverse one anyway.


Sadly Hasbro's big sell for 2011 barely made it to stores with Bruticus. I saw 3 of the Combaticons once and never again. Some online places had the set going for more than $100. I received both the retail and G2 versions for Christmas (minus the retail brawl). I have mixed emotions about Bruticus but have already seen wave 3 hit stores and unless they refresh the Combaticons I have a feeling a lot of folks missed their chance on getting it.I've been seeing the Combaticons on shelves for the past few months and they sell very fast, so I guess it's working. I hear ya on mixed feelings for Bruticus, I like the Combaticon figures more than the combiner robot, and that's due largely to Onslaught being such a small figure and so compromised. Still, glad to hear you got 'em, I love that G2 set for the silly fun experience where I normally don't get into such things.


My TVC Darth Maul's lightsaber hilt doesn't plug into his belt. The hole is too shallow. I wasn't sure if it was just mine but between the front of his cloak and his arm there doesn't seem to be a lot of room to hang it there anyways.Mine juuuuust barely plugs into the belt, it's a very shallow peg hole, I think I have a tool that could drill it out a little, I should try that.


I only ever saw shirtless Opress. I never found the armored version which I wanted. I could have picked up the 3-pack I suppose but it just didn't appeal to me as a set.Same here. I did buy the 3pack partly for armored Savage and partly for the Sith Witch figure. Armored Savage is ok but not as impressive as I was expecting, and he doesn't have his lightsabers which is downright disappointing.


Hm. Both the Nom Anors I have look like blue pupils and I guess I didn't notice if one eye was more black because I chalked it up to poor paint applications. Lol. I guess from reading the books I expected it to look a lot more different than Columbo's glass eye.It should be at least a different color rather than blue with a black iris. I saw another yesterday, same thing, you could barely tell. Some apparently have an all-black iris area, that would have been better.


I was referring to the Saga Blue and Gold card for Qui-Gon's lightsaber. I know they have gone away from using the removable blades but they still use a lot of the hilts from those and have either made new sculpts or simply molded them as one piece. I figured they could do the same with Qui-Gon's saber. It was slimmer and had the burst effect as is standard on all lightsabers these days.Ah, yeah. I've been griping for years now about QGJ's crappy saber accessory and Luke ROTJ's crappy saber accessory - with Luke they just gave up and repainted the Obi-Wan prequel accessory instead, which is so annoying to me.


Was I the only one who was able to find the light up Saber Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon? They sculpts are superior to TVC versions and the brightness of the lightsabers you have to see to believe. The articulation isn't what we have come to expect from TVC. The right arm is straight, the left arm has universal elbows as do the knees and the hips and shoulders just go back and forth. No waist, ankle or wrist articulation. Heads are on ball joints and are the best representations of the characters so far imo. The joints are well hidden too except on Kenobi's right arm if you have it bent. I just threw on their Legacy counterparts robes to hide it and the straight right arms. They are also easy to spot on pegs thanks to the big arrows on the bubble pointing to their crotches saying "try me". If you don't have them you're missing out.I found them once, but the high price and the wide, boxy shoulders turned me off, not to mention the inability to remove the batteries meant that eventually the batteries might leak out the waist joint and render the figure trash. Haven't seen any light-up MH figures since.


From the detail I saw on TVC AOTC Anakin's sabers I am disappointed they don't paint all the sabers so well. Almost every version of TPM Kenobi's saber in few years has been inaccurate. Just that little attention to detail and I would have picked the TVC version up.Agreed.


I'm surprised the new Bikerscout didn't have a removable helmet or flip up visor since I've seen versions of it that do have that feature. Maybe it's worth another look after all. Would the feet of the new speederbike...

...peg into the slots in the back of the Republic Gunship?No, they'd be too short, but it wouldn't matter since the new Speederbike doesn't come apart, so there'd be no room for it in the Gunship (the one it works with comes apart at the middle).


Lol. I play BF2 with my kids on splitscreen. Wife gets on my case about going over gigs. Which is why I try using my phone for these posts which is unlimited. So if you can point me in the direction of someone who does unlimited gigs for a mobile hotspot at a reasonable price then you'd be making both of us happy.Splitscreeen with your kids? That is pretty awesome!

Virgin Mobile has an unlimited mobile broadband prepaid but it's got a huge catch, it's only unlimited while on the Sprint 4g WiMax network (the one they're phasing out), and if you go over 500mb a day or 10gb a month they throttle you to 2mbps (which is actually usable for online gaming, but mobile broadband I suspect has too much latency for online gaming). I currently have the Sprint 4g WiMax on my phone, it has occasional disconnects for no reason, and a very limited service area, but when it's connected at its best it's 10mbps download and 1mbps upload @ 146ms latency which is fair.


Yeah. Because the last couple years have been so rough being a collector I have started to dabble in other areas like Kotobokay....whatevers artfx statues and legos. Pre-ordered my 10 year old the Jaina statue (her favorite character) but it keeps getting pushed back and I am afraid it won't be here by her birthday. I swear that thing was supposed to come out 3rd quarter 2011."Kotobukiya", and yeah, I hear ya, they're great pieces when Hasbro disappoints. That's the second time you wrote "2011" when you meant 2012, I think. ;) I'm surprised that Jaina statue got pushed back, it's a pretty straightforward piece, when is your daughter's birthday?


Star Wars Kinect we started the campaign but the sub games for it are more fun. It is a workout. PX90 eat your heart out. The Kinect also refuses to recognize my 4 year old for some reason much to his dismay cause we got him angry birds for it. I'm surprised you don't have an X-Box. Almost everyone I know prefers it to PS3 but me. I got it last tax season so the kids wouldn't wanna play my PS3 all the time. Lol.What the heck with your 4 year old, have you called Microsoft for help? Maybe his clothes were too baggy or something? The Kinect too high to read his body proportions?

I don't have an xbox for 2 reasons: I won a PS3 back in the day, and I don't want to pay a monthly fee for online access. Plus, the whole red ring of death thing, the awfulness of the original xbox controller turned me off for a long time to the current one (yet I now own 2 of the corded current design for my PC), and just Microsoft in general kinda made me wonder if it was worth it. And there wasn't any exclusive content I really was dying to get, whereas the PS3 exclusive titles like God of War and Uncharted and Motorstorm are all very appealing to me.


Ah. I thought the big Slave-1 was 2011 because I didn't see it hit shelves til the holidays at TRU and then so it on end caps forever spring of 2012. I don't think it ever dropped below $90 on clearance. I was hoping it would. I wouldn't mind AOTC or ESB paint job. I liked it. I just wish it had been cheaper or packed with stuff I would want like a TVC Naboo Fighter. Hopefully it won't be that tiny Yoda Package one I have seen on Rebelscum. I still have my SOTE version to tide me over until we get a decent release.No, not the awful new Class II Fleet one, they were clearly talking about the big Slave I from the Clone Wars ultimate battle pack you're thinking of - hopefully we get news next month of its release. Like you, I have my SOTE one to tide me over, and I'm starting to think it may stay that way with the way things are getting so expensive and canceled, but I'm still hopeful.


I'm glad to see all the usual suspects here but I am a little surprised there aren't more responses with this thread being up for over a week.Totally agree!


Oh! Forgot to mention the light up Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon one more time. :-)

The bottom portion of their tunics is soft rubber and removable via tab/peg so they fit into vehicles just fine but the included instruction manual (telling you to push the belt buckle to make them light up. Wtf?) Doesn't show how to replace the batteries.

Again, sorry for all the multiple posts. You mods already do a ton of volunteer work here and I don't mean to make it any harder on you.Don't worry about the multiple posts, this is fine for now.

The batteries on the Movie Heroes light-up figures are not replaceable, that's why there's no mention of it in the instructions - it says on the front of the card for each in the tiniest lettering "nonreplaceable batteries included", not enough info IMO for the consumer to make an informed choice.

El Chuxter
01-17-2013, 04:23 PM
JT, you're saying you never bought any Aayla Secura figure at all, even back in 2002?

That's somewhat impressive.

JediTricks
01-17-2013, 04:41 PM
JT, you're saying you never bought any Aayla Secura figure at all, even back in 2002?

That's somewhat impressive.Yup, and I wouldn't have bought any ever were it not for such strong recommendations here. I've also not bought any Eeth Koths, Luminara Undulis, or Barriss Offees - to me, the prequels have made Jedi characters into a ton of overhyped alien nobodies and I just don't feel any need to have everything when it has no impact for me. Like "oh, you stood there and did nothing for 3 movies, or you appeared for 3 seconds and got shot? Well, have a bunch of expensive action figures then!"

bigbarada
01-17-2013, 04:45 PM
It's not a bad figure, the face is pleasant, the articulation works well except for the hips, the sculpt is generally alright, the paint good, but I don't see it coming close to "top marks" territory and don't understand it. Is the love due to attachment to the character? I have none, so that doesn't affect me with this figure. Is it about being so much better than previous realistic Aayla figures? I've heard they are pretty mediocre, so I didn't bother there either, but as much an improvement as this might be, is that enough of a reason to elevate it to "best of 2012" territory over the quality of its own merits?

I don't have any real attachment to the character at all, since I've kind of sworn off of Prequel figures for the most part.

I actually bought the figure loose off of eBay with the rest of that wave, so I never got to see her cardback until several weeks later when the wave started showing up in stores.

So I started with absolutely zero expectations and the figure totally blew me away. However, I've never taken the time to compare her to any photos of the actress. To me the figure stands on its own enough that its accuracy to the onscreen character is somewhat irrelevant. I've never really been an Aayla Secura fan anyway.

And I actually like the wider hips because it makes her look more feminine, IMO. Again, not really sure if that's accurate to the actress' figure, but I haven't bothered to check.


Also, I finally found a red-bandana Kithaba and picked it up, it looks way better than the brown version, but overall it doesn't help that figure, it's still too lanky compared to the character.


That's cool that you found one. I'm kind of torn on which version I like better, because they are both accurate from a certain point of view and both are inaccurate from a certain point of view.

The red bandana is closer to the proper hue, but the brown bandana is closer to the proper tone. However neither one is the correct color.

JediTricks
01-17-2013, 05:23 PM
I don't have any real attachment to the character at all, since I've kind of sworn off of Prequel figures for the most part.

I actually bought the figure loose off of eBay with the rest of that wave, so I never actually got to see her cardback until several weeks later when the wave started showing up in stores.

So I started with absolutely zero expectations and the figure totally blew me away. However, I've never actually taken the time to compare her to any photos of the actress. To me the figure stands on its own enough that its accuracy to the onscreen character is somewhat irrelevant. I've never really been an Aayla Secura fan anyway.

And I actually like the wider hips because it makes her look more feminine, IMO. Again, not really sure if that's accurate to the actress' figure, but I haven't bothered to check.The stuff about the accuracy of the likeness is more about JabbaJohn's take on the figure, as well as other reviews I've seen.

Surprised that, of all people, you - the studier of organic shapes - would find this figure's proportions to be a positive. I mean, it is a female body shape - pear shaped, aka triangle - but it struck me as a bit dumpy with the extremely wide hips and behind, it just looks out of proportion to my eye, the character is presented in this sculpt alone as being fit and lithe yet the hips and thighs are from a different figure.


That's cool that you found one. I'm kind of torn on which version I like better, because they are both accurate from a certain point of view and both are inaccurate from a certain point of view.

The red bandana is closer to the proper hue, but the brown bandana is closer to the proper tone. However neither one is the correct color.The red bandana matches the tone when he's being pulled into the Sarlacc, while the brown just doesn't have any correspondence to anything on screen for me - yeah, the bandana seems to have been wetted down to suggest sweat in some shots, but it's still red, it's not as dark as even the images on your own site and those are pulled from compressed video sources (red and green lose vibrance more than other colors in image compression). And even still, had they used a brown with more red in it, it would have been acceptable, but this is just dark brown like his holster and bandolier which no shot in the movie says to me is accurate. Of course, had they not gotten the pants' tone wrong too, it'd probably not feel like the red bandana variant was overboard.

bigbarada
01-17-2013, 06:11 PM
The red bandana matches the tone when he's being pulled into the Sarlacc, while the brown just doesn't have any correspondence to anything on screen for me - yeah, the bandana seems to have been wetted down to suggest sweat in some shots, but it's still red, it's not as dark as even the images on your own site and those are pulled from compressed video sources (red and green lose vibrance more than other colors in image compression). And even still, had they used a brown with more red in it, it would have been acceptable, but this is just dark brown like his holster and bandolier which no shot in the movie says to me is accurate. Of course, had they not gotten the pants' tone wrong too, it'd probably not feel like the red bandana variant was overboard.

I used the wrong term, I should have said "value" not "tone" even though the concepts are related. Value is sometimes referred to as "brightness." According to some understandings of color theory, there are three properties to every color: hue, saturation and value (brightness).

Hue is the actual color, be it red, blue, green, etc.

Saturation is how pale or strong the color is and is dependent on the amount and type of light present. Which is why one color can appear to be two different colors under multiple lighting conditions.

Value or brightness refers to the relative lightness or darkness of the color. If you add more black, then the color gets a lower value, if you add more white, then the color is brighter and has a higher value. Value is also dependent on the amount of light present. So it's easy to mistake for saturation, but they are different concepts. Value measures the brightness of the color, saturation measures the strength of the color.

So, you can have a red and a green that have the same saturation or value, but they are still two completely different hues.

Also, using the HSV (Photoshop refers to it as HSB) color sliders, then you will see that red and brown are actually related. Brown is just a desaturated version of red or orange with a low value; but that wasn't really my point.

When I said that the brown bandana is a more accurate value, I was talking about the relative brightness of the bandana in contrast to his skin tone.

This is best illustrated when you compare the figures to the onscreen costume in black & white:
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As you can see, the darker value of the brown bandana is closer to the actual value of the onscreen bandana as it contrasts with the mask's skin tone. The red bandana blends in with the skin tone too much in comparison. This is why the brown bandana just "feels" more accurate to some people.

However, color itself is a very subjective thing, since no two people perceive colors in the same way. So what feels right to one person, is not necessarily going to feel right to someone else. This is why it's called "color theory" and there is no "color law."

RendarStillLives
01-17-2013, 08:52 PM
Based on Aayla showing up on 2 separate "best figures of 2012" lists here, as well as JabbaJohn's "figure of the year" choice, when I found one yesterday at TRU I bought it, and to be honest... I'm not sure I understand why this figure is getting such high marks.

It's not a bad figure, the face is pleasant, the articulation works well except for the hips, the sculpt is generally alright, the paint good, but I don't see it coming close to "top marks" territory and don't understand it. Is the love due to attachment to the character? I have none, so that doesn't affect me with this figure. Is it about being so much better than previous realistic Aayla figures? I've heard they are pretty mediocre, so I didn't bother there either, but as much an improvement as this might be, is that enough of a reason to elevate it to "best of 2012" territory over the quality of its own merits?


Also, I finally found a red-bandana Kithaba and picked it up, it looks way better than the brown version, but overall it doesn't help that figure, it's still too lanky compared to the character.

I have an Aayla and a Barriss I felt I needed but haven't bothered to open since my disappointments with Maul and Hoth Luke so I can't really comment on them. I was pretty happy with the ROTS Aayla but felt the updated figure would be the ONE Aayla and never need another. This is why I loved the VTC Jango so much. As you pointed it he is largely just a retool of a figure we have plenty of but as far as my needs go he has everything to re-enact all his major scenes in AOTC and he isn't purple. I also love that they made the peg of the rocket in translucent flame rather than just a pole. In the movies and even literature Jango didn't do much. Still, he seemed more honor bound than Boba ever was and the whole Mandolorian way of life matches up with a lot of my beliefs and a society I fantasize about living in with the exception of whatever they are trying to turn it into on TCW. The cartoon seems very different than the novels.

I agree with what you are saying about wall characters being over hyped but look at half the screen names on here. Or that many of us would rather see a Zora (Siri Tachi), cantina alien, Jabba's palace character than another Luke figure. Even characters without EU bios are great just because a fan's imagination can create an infinite number of stories for such characters while Luke and Han are tied down fighting the greater fight. Aayla appeals to women as a strong character in EU stories and as far as chicks in Star Wars go she is pretty. In the OT we basically had Leia and Ooola, a couple elderly gals and what I can't decide is an overweight man or women with three sets of breasts.

From the current discussion on Aayla it seems like parts of characters are being made more generic to save tooling costs and use on multiple characters. Sounds the same with paint too on the Kithaba bandana. Where perhaps the costs only justify using so many colors per character, especially such a fan specific one.


I spotted TFP Ultra Magnus for $13 at TJ Maxx the other day, but kids wanted him so bad that I couldn't help but hand it to them. I have the Cyberverse one anyway.


That's a good deal! And a good deed. Though the Cyberverse figures are quite expensive for their size I can't help but marvel at how they squeeze in all the small parts and details when compared to figures three times as large or more that have less engineering and crapy paint apps. My thoughts were the same with the late Thundercats 3.75" figures vs. the 6" ones. I do enjoy my Cyberverse Magnus more than the voyager figure but there are more sculpted details than at first glance and some extra steps transforming the arms and legs (which are cool) on the bigger version. A little paint would improve the voyager figure a ton and I can't stand the mechtech weapons they come with.


I've been seeing the Combaticons on shelves for the past few months and they sell very fast, so I guess it's working. I hear ya on mixed feelings for Bruticus, I like the Combaticon figures more than the combiner robot, and that's due largely to Onslaught being such a small figure and so compromised. Still, glad to hear you got 'em, I love that G2 set for the silly fun experience where I normally don't get into such things.

The original Onslaught was just a Deluxe so that really doesn't bother me and the combined Bruticus is pretty large standing next to FOC Starscream and WFC Megatron and Soundwave. Onslaught looks great but the lack of shoulder movement, tiny elbows and the kibble hanging off his rear really knock it down. I won't review each character unless there is a big desire for me to do so. Combined they don't look like vehicles at all and barely so individually. Bruticus largely looks like a humanoid junkheap. I have knits to pick about elbow and knee joints looking so fragile on the robot modes but I do like them for the most part and that each character can be either arm or legs so you can combine them any way you want even though the instructions don't show it.


It should be at least a different color rather than blue with a black iris. I saw another yesterday, same thing, you could barely tell. Some apparently have an all-black iris area, that would have been better.

It probably is. I haven't looked that closely. I assumed it would be more like a brown sack in his eye socket with a black center representing where the poison spits from. the way it is done on the figure makes more sense if he is trying to be incognito though.


No, they'd be too short, but it wouldn't matter since the new Speederbike doesn't come apart, so there'd be no room for it in the Gunship (the one it works with comes apart at the middle).


That's disappointing. I know the original POTF version doesn't. Would the speederbike from the Blizzard Troopers pack work or do I have to hunt down the original Clone Wars Deluxe?


Virgin Mobile has an unlimited mobile broadband prepaid but it's got a huge catch, it's only unlimited while on the Sprint 4g WiMax network (the one they're phasing out), and if you go over 500mb a day or 10gb a month they throttle you to 2mbps (which is actually usable for online gaming, but mobile broadband I suspect has too much latency for online gaming). I currently have the Sprint 4g WiMax on my phone, it has occasional disconnects for no reason, and a very limited service area, but when it's connected at its best it's 10mbps download and 1mbps upload @ 146ms latency which is fair.


My friend, all I understood of that was Virgin Mobile and Sprint. The rest is Japanese. :distant: Luckily my better half knows what you are talking about and she doesn't seem convinced that it's better than the Sprint hotspot we already have. I like the unlimited part but she says it's about the speed and doesn't know too much about video games to quantify what the needs are. I have Virgin for my phone cause I get the same stuff she does for half the cost and no contract. :smug: I asked about going through the cable company and she said it would be about $30 a month for the first 6 months but then would go up to $50 after that. Not sure what to do.


"Kotobukiya", and yeah, I hear ya, they're great pieces when Hasbro disappoints. That's the second time you wrote "2011" when you meant 2012, I think. ;) I'm surprised that Jaina statue got pushed back, it's a pretty straightforward piece, when is your daughter's birthday?

Yeah. I'm the guy still writing 2012 on his checks too. Sigh.


What the heck with your 4 year old, have you called Microsoft for help? Maybe his clothes were too baggy or something? The Kinect too high to read his body proportions?

No. I can see him in the little green box as it tries to recognize him but my best guess is it thinks he's a dog or something. Like there must be a height limit or the couch behind him is obscuring what the sensor reads but even in bright colors it doesn't register him as a player. He isn't short either.


I don't have an xbox for 2 reasons: I won a PS3 back in the day, and I don't want to pay a monthly fee for online access. Plus, the whole red ring of death thing, the awfulness of the original xbox controller turned me off for a long time to the current one (yet I now own 2 of the corded current design for my PC), and just Microsoft in general kinda made me wonder if it was worth it. And there wasn't any exclusive content I really was dying to get, whereas the PS3 exclusive titles like God of War and Uncharted and Motorstorm are all very appealing to me.


I hear you. I went with PS3 originally because the hardware just seemed superior to me. Plus within a year of launch microsoft had released a handful of variants. My friend bought an Elite model and after all the upgrades spent $1,000 to match the features I paid $350 for that already came in a PS3. Iroically people were putting down the PS3 because of it's price over an Xbox 360 not considering what you get between the two systems other than they both play video games. Even today I can walk into Best Buy and justify a PS3 over an 360 based on the hardrive space alone. Is a Corvette just a Chevy? Metal Gear is another reason I stuck with Sony. Playstation seems to be letting a lot of exclusives go lately though. I also prefer the ergonomics of the Playstation controller to the Xbox ones but I just chalked that up to being use to a PS2 over the original Xbox.


No, not the awful new Class II Fleet one, they were clearly talking about the big Slave I from the Clone Wars ultimate battle pack you're thinking of - hopefully we get news next month of its release. Like you, I have my SOTE one to tide me over, and I'm starting to think it may stay that way with the way things are getting so expensive and canceled, but I'm still hopeful.

Thank God! Makes me wonder why they even bothered to spend the money on tooling the new mold then? They could have put that cost elsewhere. Yeah, I won't buy it individually it's going to be $100. lol. If they can keep it around $40 maybe $50 then I'm sold.


The batteries on the Movie Heroes light-up figures are not replaceable, that's why there's no mention of it in the instructions - it says on the front of the card for each in the tiniest lettering "nonreplaceable batteries included", not enough info IMO for the consumer to make an informed choice.

They're still the highlight of 2012 for me. :biggrin: As I said before I don't want Hasbro to go crazy and make every Jedi in the same fashion but Ben, Vader and Jedi/Bespin Luke would be too awesome to pass up. Maybe a Threepio with light up eyes like came with Chewy once upon a time but actually having his body together.

JediTricks
01-21-2013, 04:18 PM
I'm really surprised nobody else wants to rap up the year, last year the concept was pretty popular, lots of differences of opinion.


I used the wrong term, I should have said "value" not "tone" even though the concepts are related. Value is sometimes referred to as "brightness." According to some understandings of color theory, there are three properties to every color: hue, saturation and value (brightness).

Hue is the actual color, be it red, blue, green, etc.

Saturation is how pale or strong the color is and is dependent on the amount and type of light present. Which is why one color can appear to be two different colors under multiple lighting conditions.

Value or brightness refers to the relative lightness or darkness of the color. If you add more black, then the color gets a lower value, if you add more white, then the color is brighter and has a higher value. Value is also dependent on the amount of light present. So it's easy to mistake for saturation, but they are different concepts. Value measures the brightness of the color, saturation measures the strength of the color.

So, you can have a red and a green that have the same saturation or value, but they are still two completely different hues.

Also, using the HSV (Photoshop refers to it as HSB) color sliders, then you will see that red and brown are actually related. Brown is just a desaturated version of red or orange with a low value; but that wasn't really my point.

When I said that the brown bandana is a more accurate value, I was talking about the relative brightness of the bandana in contrast to his skin tone.

This is best illustrated when you compare the figures to the onscreen costume in black & white:
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As you can see, the darker value of the brown bandana is closer to the actual value of the onscreen bandana as it contrasts with the mask's skin tone. The red bandana blends in with the skin tone too much in comparison. This is why the brown bandana just "feels" more accurate to some people.

However, color itself is a very subjective thing, since no two people perceive colors in the same way. So what feels right to one person, is not necessarily going to feel right to someone else. This is why it's called "color theory" and there is no "color law."I understand all that (although photoshop calls it "lightness", not "brightness"), but you're not taking into account the original source image's variables - lens, aperture, lighting, film quality - not to mention the limited color depth found on VHS and even standard-definition DVD. Even using your own site has images that start to tell a different story:
http://www.skiffguards.com/images/skiff1guards/kithaba/kithabadeath.jpg
http://www.skiffguards.com/images/skiff1guards/kithaba/kithaba-BTC2.jpg

In any case though, even if we accepted the value as accurate, the brown figure's hue is entirely wrong for the bandana and its saturation is a few stops off as well, and those both mean more to color IMO than lightness/value. I took the photo of 'em both from RS and jammed Saturation to the top, then the Hue to 180. In the Saturation shift, Red's bandana got very vibrant while Brown's bandana stayed nearly the same because of how little color there actually is, just a hint of purple came out. In the Hue shift to the exact opposite side of the color wheel, notice how much Red's bandana changes while Brown's bandana changes almost not at all:
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I'll do the same with your image, off-the-charts Saturation and then 180 Hue:
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In your shot, the only color in the bandana is coming off your warm lighting, and when the hue is shifted it still looks the same because there's no color in Brown's bandana, it's not even really "brown" but more "off-black" because of the lack of any color.



This is why I loved the VTC Jango so much. As you pointed it he is largely just a retool of a figure we have plenty of but as far as my needs go he has everything to re-enact all his major scenes in AOTC and he isn't purple.I'm not sure I understand your point about the color, the TVC figure is the same purple as the Evolutions original it's based on.


From the current discussion on Aayla it seems like parts of characters are being made more generic to save tooling costs and use on multiple characters. Sounds the same with paint too on the Kithaba bandana. Where perhaps the costs only justify using so many colors per character, especially such a fan specific one. I am pretty sure they said Kithaba's bandana was a mistake at the factory level and Lucasfilm requested a fix for accuracy.


That's a good deal! And a good deed. Though the Cyberverse figures are quite expensive for their size I can't help but marvel at how they squeeze in all the small parts and details when compared to figures three times as large or more that have less engineering and crapy paint apps. My thoughts were the same with the late Thundercats 3.75" figures vs. the 6" ones. I do enjoy my Cyberverse Magnus more than the voyager figure but there are more sculpted details than at first glance and some extra steps transforming the arms and legs (which are cool) on the bigger version. A little paint would improve the voyager figure a ton and I can't stand the mechtech weapons they come with.The other night at a different TJ Maxx closer to my house, more Voyager UMs and no kids so I bought it and TFP Rumble ($7!). While I like the paint work and weapon more on the Cyberverse, the Voyager is a more satisfying figure in terms of transformation and range of motion - the shoulders on the Cyberverse are very frustrating for some reason despite being very similar in concept.

The Thundercats figure thing was really bad, Bandai for some reason just wanted cheap-looking big figures with low detail.


The original Onslaught was just a Deluxe so that really doesn't bother me and the combined Bruticus is pretty large standing next to FOC Starscream and WFC Megatron and Soundwave.The original was a deluxe when the limb-bots were basics though. The FOC figure isn't even that impressive next to the G1, I think: http://www.flickr.com/photos/mdverde/8091712070/

Bruticus with WFC/FOC figures he's only about twice as big, in the game he's probably 5 times as big, even with the smallest FOC figure I had a hard time making it feel like an impressive scale here:
http://tfviews.com/Bruticus/midsize/Bruticus%20Optimus%2003.jpg


Bruticus largely looks like a humanoid junkheap.Not even that humanoid, the long arms are more gorilla-like.


It probably is. I haven't looked that closely. I assumed it would be more like a brown sack in his eye socket with a black center representing where the poison spits from. the way it is done on the figure makes more sense if he is trying to be incognito though.Hasbro goes on the visual art they have, mostly comics, sometimes book covers, and it seems to match the general look of the art supplied except blue instead of brown.


That's disappointing. I know the original POTF version doesn't. Would the speederbike from the Blizzard Troopers pack work or do I have to hunt down the original Clone Wars Deluxe?The Blizzard Bike battle pack uses the original 1983 mold with the T-bar and exploding gimmick. I don't know that the exploding gimmick speeder bikes wouldn't fit in it as I've never tried to fit them in the Gunship, but I doubt it as the Gunship's pegs were designed especially for the Clone Wars dlx you mentioned, and the only re-use of that is the speeder bike that came with the AT-AT.


My friend, all I understood of that was Virgin Mobile and Sprint. The rest is Japanese. :distant: Luckily my better half knows what you are talking about and she doesn't seem convinced that it's better than the Sprint hotspot we already have. I like the unlimited part but she says it's about the speed and doesn't know too much about video games to quantify what the needs are. I have Virgin for my phone cause I get the same stuff she does for half the cost and no contract. :smug: I asked about going through the cable company and she said it would be about $30 a month for the first 6 months but then would go up to $50 after that. Not sure what to do.Ah, I hear ya, not everybody is technologically-inclined for mobile. If you guys have a Sprint 4G WIMAX Hotspot already, you may be able to get the Virgin Mobile unlimited service, she should contact them first to see if they'd do that. It's definitely worth looking into if your Sprint bill is high - and it likely is.

Cable internet does go around $50 a month, I'm using Earthlink service who goes through my regular cable internet, so I'm paying $41 a month instead of that $50. I like the cable internet way more than my old DSL phone line internet, but the speed with cable is pretty much maxed out already.


No. I can see him in the little green box as it tries to recognize him but my best guess is it thinks he's a dog or something. Like there must be a height limit or the couch behind him is obscuring what the sensor reads but even in bright colors it doesn't register him as a player. He isn't short either.It works by identifying his body proportions - torso to head, legs, and arms - so if he's wearing baggy clothes and he's little then it wouldn't be able to identify his arms and legs. I suggest you contact their support though, it's worth checking out, it may be that the camera is too high or something easy to fix.


Thank God! Makes me wonder why they even bothered to spend the money on tooling the new mold then? They could have put that cost elsewhere. Yeah, I won't buy it individually it's going to be $100. lol. If they can keep it around $40 maybe $50 then I'm sold.I highly doubt it'll go for under $70, they couldn't sell the Y-wing Bomber under $70 at mass retail. Frustrating, no?


They're still the highlight of 2012 for me. :biggrin: As I said before I don't want Hasbro to go crazy and make every Jedi in the same fashion but Ben, Vader and Jedi/Bespin Luke would be too awesome to pass up. Maybe a Threepio with light up eyes like came with Chewy once upon a time but actually having his body together.If it comes up at Comic-Con, I'll mention those ideas. Had Hasbro gotten product out in greater numbers it'd be easier to judge the success of them.

El Chuxter
01-21-2013, 04:56 PM
It's not that I don't want to. Last year was pretty slim pickings for Joes and Transformers, and SW was a virtual wasteland. :(

Mr. JabbaJohnL
01-21-2013, 06:57 PM
Based on Aayla showing up on 2 separate "best figures of 2012" lists here, as well as JabbaJohn's "figure of the year" choice, when I found one yesterday at TRU I bought it, and to be honest... I'm not sure I understand why this figure is getting such high marks.

Let me preface by saying this is the first Aayla figure I've bought outside Clone Wars, I don't really have an attachment to the character and think her costume is a tad silly for Star Wars, but that's probably due to coming from the comics.

The claim that this looks just like actress Amy Allen is baffeling to me, there's a huge picture of the character portrayed by Ms Allen on the card and the figure looks nothing like that face. Don't get me wrong, the figure's face is attractive but the figure's eyes are smaller and smokier (Amy Allen's eyes are big and round and inquisitive, they pop out as the character because the rest of the face is colored blue), the nose is narrower, the upper face wider, and the horn/ear things are far too low compared to the actress as the character.

Then there's the skin color, which is simply too dark, and the blue has a bit of a hue difference as well. The deco on the figure is otherwise good, although the lip rouge paint is overboard.

My biggest problem with the figure though is the hips, as soon as I got this figure off the card and out of the robe, the hips were attrocious and got worse when I started using them. The figure is pear-shaped, there's no way around this, the articulation requires too much space (despite her myriad of other joints being very nicely proportioned) so she has thunder thighs at the top and her hips are significantly wider than her shoulders. I can't get past the width of those hips compared to her shoulders, the character is somewhat svelte and this figure loses that entirely. Then, to add insult to injury, the joint requires a sideways hinge that hinges from almost the middle of the thigh, so there's no spread-leg action pose this figure can take that won't look like someone snapped her femur in half - the design of that joint has no understanding of human anatomy, or more likely simply threw out that knowledge to shoehorn the joint onto a body which couldn't support it.

The final issue is her accessories, the lightsaber hilts are too big, and the shoulders on her robe are too wide.

It's not a bad figure, the face is pleasant, the articulation works well except for the hips, the sculpt is generally alright, the paint good, but I don't see it coming close to "top marks" territory and don't understand it. Is the love due to attachment to the character? I have none, so that doesn't affect me with this figure. Is it about being so much better than previous realistic Aayla figures? I've heard they are pretty mediocre, so I didn't bother there either, but as much an improvement as this might be, is that enough of a reason to elevate it to "best of 2012" territory over the quality of its own merits?
It's not attachment to the character - I didn't read her origin comics and she doesn't do anything that noteworthy in the films or TV show. I do like the prequel Jedi overall more than you do, I know, so there's that. Part of it could be that she's more visually striking than many of the figures released this year, which matters to me - I mean, Colonel Cracken's not going to get top honors. It could also partly be that it's so much better than previous Aayla figures - not that those were bad, but as a sign of progression showing what Hasbro is now capable of compared to previously in the line, Aayla is a fantastic example.

I only singled out her and Vader's "gorgeous sculpts," and I was referring to the figures overall, not meaning to imply that Aayla was the spitting image of Amy Allen. I don't think it's the greatest likeness they've ever done, but it looks like her enough in my book. In this scale, features have to be changed now and then to maintain the overall look of the character, so I don't think any of the liberties taken with this figure are that egregious or out of the norm for this line.

On the hip issue, again, I'm willing to let accuracy slide from time to time if it means it benefits the figure overall. The 2005 Aayla actually has skinny thighs similar to VOTC Han, which is a solution that I dislike. The TVC version obscures the hips with the objects hanging from her belt (which are well sculpted and textured, a first for the character and an interesting detail that shows what Hasbro is now capable of), so I really didn't even notice it as an issue before you mentioned it.

But a big part of what I love about the figure is her articulation, and the ball-joint hips allow her to be posed in some really cool ways. She's significantly more expressive than most other figures in the line because of this, and I think giving her slightly wider hips is completely fine for this reason. (She's not as bad as diaper-wearing Bespin Luke, at least.)

Would you have been as harsh on this figure if people hadn't rated it so highly? (Conversely, I don't know if I would have rated it so high if I hadn't had such low expectations for it, since I didn't think we needed a new Aayla that badly, so that could be a factor for both of us.)

bigbarada
01-21-2013, 07:16 PM
(although photoshop calls it "lightness", not "brightness"),

It depends on where you looking inside of Photoshop. If you are talking about Hue/Saturation adjustments, then it does refer to Value as Lightness. However if you are using the HSB color sliders in the color menu, then it's called Brightness. I use HSB as my default color sliders in Photoshop, instead of RGB or CMYK, so that's what I was referring to.

In general, I try not to use internet JPG images to discuss colors, but it's pretty tough to discuss colors on the internet without using images. JPG is a lossy compression format by its very nature and, furthermore, computer monitors simply can't display all of the colors that are visible to the human eye - the technology is just not there yet. Plus, since I don't know what your computer monitor settings are, it's hard for me to guess which colors you might be seeing and which ones your monitor is simply not capable of displaying. I'm using AdobeRGB on my monitor here, FYI, so if you are using sRGB, then you are missing out on a few colors.

So what feels right to my eyes in the real world is going to be pretty difficult to illustrate accurately using internet JPGs. I can just say that when I display the figures and look at them from across the room, the brown bandana just feels more correct.

I did come up with this comparison image and tried to match to colors up as close as I could. I sampled multiple photos for each color and came up with an average, then adjusted that average until it looked right on my monitor:
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When I sample the colors using the HSB sliders, I get:

Brown: H = 34, S= 45, B = 24

Red: H = 12, S = 89, B = 54

Actual: H = 1, S = 68, B = 40

So, using these colors, the red clearly is closer to the proper color than the brown. Even though both red and brown bandanas are too far over to the red/orange side of the spectrum and the actual bandana is more a pure, middle-red.

But again it's about how it looks to my eyes in reality. Even knowing what I know about the numbers, the brown just feels closer to the correct color than the red.

Most likely it's because I've spent over 20 years drawing stuff primarily in pencil, so my mind has been conditioned to translate everything into a grayscale image and decipher every color based on it's value first, hue second and saturation level third.

sebillba
01-22-2013, 10:59 AM
I'm really surprised nobody else wants to rap up the year, last year the concept was pretty popular, lots of differences of opinion.


Yeah, sorry, I've been lurking around this thread, but never seemed to get around to getting my thoughts together and coming up with a reply.

I actually thought 2012 was a pretty good year. Sure, there might not have been the glut of product we've seen in previous years, but when I'm paying £10-£13 for each figure, I would much prefer quality over quantity. I still love this hobby, and want to continue collecting as long as possible, but it's becoming more of a struggle all the time. I haven't had a pay rise for 7 years, so with the rising costs of food, gas, petrol, and every other living expense (let alone SW figures!!), I effectively have a pay cut every year. So I actually prefer having less figures to buy - and yet it still seemed like I had a LOT to keep up with last year, especially in the last couple of months.

I didn't particularly notice the distribution problems.... distribution in the UK has always been unreliable to say the least, so I pre-order everything online, then just sit back and wait for it to show up. There are some great online dealers in the UK, who don't insist on selling by the case, so you can pick and choose what you want (some short-packed figures may be a bit dearer, but it works out a lot cheaper in the long run)... the seller I use regularly is even good enough to pick out good paint apps for me, so I don't even have to worry about getting poorly painted figures. And since I don't bother going to toy shops very often, I don't get to see what's pegwarming.... so, where many people have developed a dislike of TPM wave, because they still see them clogging the pegs everywhere, and holding up new product, I still look at them as some of my favourite figures from last year.

Ok, so highlights for me...

Some long overdue Vintage/POTF2 updates: Nien Nunb (much anticiptated, though I ended up being slightly underwhelmed by the weird paint job, and as a result, I don't think he looks as nice as other recent Sullustans), Snaggletooth (great figure!!), Lumat, Dr Evazan, Nikto, Weequay and Kithaba (too skinny, but I was really pleased to receive the red bandana variant - looks much better imho).

Podracers.... I'm not a huge fan of the podracers, and not bothered about getting them all made into plastic, but I was really impressed by the three released in 2012, and they ended up being three of my favourite figures of the year. I love getting new and unique alien figures, and they don't come much more unique looking than Ben Q! Sure, he was a particularly silly and cartoony character in the film, but I just love this figure!

Daultay Dofine.... I really like Neimoidians, and this is the best Neimoidian figure released so far... I would like to see Nute and Rune re-done to the same standard.

Ewok battle pack.... I've really grown to love these little furballs in recent years, and this is a fantastic set, with some great figures and tons of accessories.

Clone Wars.... I don't collect all the animated figures, only the occasional ones that seem like important characters, or are visually appealing, but I'm very impressed by the trio of realistic CW we got, and will probably collect these in future. I also bought the Darth Maul Returns BP - another three very good figures. Maul himself is the weak link, but still a fun and unique figure (I missed the comic pack realistic version). I like that the Nightsister is in realistic style - I display her with my other concept figures.

There were a few other very good figures.... Vader, Aurra Sing, Aayla, Orrimaarko, Sandstorm figures.... but I just can't muster up much excitement for these characters any more.

Lowpoints.... mostly because of terrible soft goods - Royal Guard and Tarkin spring to mind. Also, those vintage 2-packs were very bad value for money, especially the AT-ST crew.... basically £20 for two new heads. Love the ewoks though, but still overpriced.

Going forward, I'm quite happy Droid Factory has been cancelled.... boring selection of characters, and I hate feeling enticed into buying a full wave of figures (half of which I don't really want), just to get the "free" figure. My wallet will enjoy the break, and it will give me a chance to really appreciate what I already have.... I just hope there isn't suddenly a huge amount of stuff suddenly released in the Autumn.

JetsAndHeels
01-22-2013, 11:59 AM
This has been an interesting thread to read. I appreciate what everyone has posted.

Let me say that 2012 was not a year in which I purchased a lot of Star Wars merchandise. I focused mainly on Transformers.

What I did buy can be listed very briefly:

-TVC Obi Wan, Darth Maul, Sidious, Battle Droid, Hoth Luke, Aayla Secura, Nom Amor. Distribution was a big problem here, just like everywhere else. I saw pics of figures like Darth Malgus and Starkiller, but never pursued finding them.

I did buy some of the movie heroes figures, and I did get the Walmart "Discover the force" figures.

My brother-in-law gave me "Angry Birds Star Wars" Death Star Jenga for Christmas.

I got some Star Wars t-shirts for Christmas.

I bought the full version of "Angry Birds Star Wars" on my iphone.

I went back and read some things on here and now I want that TRU biker scout set. I think I remember seeing some last time I went, so that may warrant a trip back next week after I get paid, and hopefully they still have some.

My initial reaction to Lucas selling Star Wars to Disney was not a positive one. I have always kind of thought that since the 6 movies have been completed, Star Wars should be left alone. Now that I have had some time to think about it and have let the initial shock wear off, I think this could be a good thing. As JabbaJohnL said in his review, this is the first time since 1983 that we as a fandom can look forward and not really know where the story is going to take us. That is exciting to me!!

As far as the Clone Wars series is concerned, I have not watched too many episodes of if like I had earlier in the series. My DVR recorder had 11 unwatched episodes on it and I started to watch them last weekend. My interest in the series has been renewed. Saturday's episode was awesome, so I am now back in it for sure.

"Empire" has always been my favorite movie of all time...not just in the series, but out of ALL movies. I have found that I am falling in love with it all over again. It has everything in it..action, heroism, bravery, romance, betrayal, and the biggest surprise of them all.
The more I think about it, I am an OT guy right down to the core, but it doesn't mean I don't enjoy the prequels.

I want 2013 to be a good year for Star Wars. It has always been my first love as far as collecting goes, so I intend to spend more time
devoted to it this year.

JediTricks
01-27-2013, 04:18 AM
It's not attachment to the character - I didn't read her origin comics and she doesn't do anything that noteworthy in the films or TV show. I do like the prequel Jedi overall more than you do, I know, so there's that. Part of it could be that she's more visually striking than many of the figures released this year, which matters to me - I mean, Colonel Cracken's not going to get top honors. It could also partly be that it's so much better than previous Aayla figures - not that those were bad, but as a sign of progression showing what Hasbro is now capable of compared to previously in the line, Aayla is a fantastic example.

I only singled out her and Vader's "gorgeous sculpts," and I was referring to the figures overall, not meaning to imply that Aayla was the spitting image of Amy Allen. I don't think it's the greatest likeness they've ever done, but it looks like her enough in my book. In this scale, features have to be changed now and then to maintain the overall look of the character, so I don't think any of the liberties taken with this figure are that egregious or out of the norm for this line.There were a lot of drab figures in 2012, I can give you that she stands out. I'm not sure I see her sculpt as any way superior to, say, Kithaba or Weequay or Malgus or Mawhonic, she's not bad in any way but I'm not seeing "gorgeous" from a figure standpoint, so I applied character accuracy but that came up short too since she's attractive in the face but not super accurate.


On the hip issue, again, I'm willing to let accuracy slide from time to time if it means it benefits the figure overall. The 2005 Aayla actually has skinny thighs similar to VOTC Han, which is a solution that I dislike. The TVC version obscures the hips with the objects hanging from her belt (which are well sculpted and textured, a first for the character and an interesting detail that shows what Hasbro is now capable of), so I really didn't even notice it as an issue before you mentioned it.

But a big part of what I love about the figure is her articulation, and the ball-joint hips allow her to be posed in some really cool ways. She's significantly more expressive than most other figures in the line because of this, and I think giving her slightly wider hips is completely fine for this reason. (She's not as bad as diaper-wearing Bespin Luke, at least.)I could have accepted the thunder thighs/hips thing if the joint had at least worked correctly, but it's so low that it looks wrong in any use, and the behind is so big too because her legs have to be far apart (another thing I don't like that much about that design). Her hip tassels don't impress me, they're pretty thick compared to the design, they're not more special than Boba's wookiee braids - not terrible, but not super amazing to me either.


Would you have been as harsh on this figure if people hadn't rated it so highly? (Conversely, I don't know if I would have rated it so high if I hadn't had such low expectations for it, since I didn't think we needed a new Aayla that badly, so that could be a factor for both of us.)If it hadn't gotten such good press from a few folks, I wouldn't have bought her at all. She's not a bad figure by any stretch, but I don't see anything approaching a "figure of the year" entry out of her and I wouldn't have bought her, she didn't seem like a special figure to me in that respect. For sure I wouldn't have gotten her because I had the chance several times prior and passed then.




It depends on where you looking inside of Photoshop. If you are talking about Hue/Saturation adjustments, then it does refer to Value as Lightness. However if you are using the HSB color sliders in the color menu, then it's called Brightness. I use HSB as my default color sliders in Photoshop, instead of RGB or CMYK, so that's what I was referring to.

In general, I try not to use internet JPG images to discuss colors, but it's pretty tough to discuss colors on the internet without using images. JPG is a lossy compression format by its very nature and, furthermore, computer monitors simply can't display all of the colors that are visible to the human eye - the technology is just not there yet. Plus, since I don't know what your computer monitor settings are, it's hard for me to guess which colors you might be seeing and which ones your monitor is simply not capable of displaying. I'm using AdobeRGB on my monitor here, FYI, so if you are using sRGB, then you are missing out on a few colors.

So what feels right to my eyes in the real world is going to be pretty difficult to illustrate accurately using internet JPGs. I can just say that when I display the figures and look at them from across the room, the brown bandana just feels more correct.

I did come up with this comparison image and tried to match to colors up as close as I could. I sampled multiple photos for each color and came up with an average, then adjusted that average until it looked right on my monitor:
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When I sample the colors using the HSB sliders, I get:

Brown: H = 34, S= 45, B = 24

Red: H = 12, S = 89, B = 54

Actual: H = 1, S = 68, B = 40

So, using these colors, the red clearly is closer to the proper color than the brown. Even though both red and brown bandanas are too far over to the red/orange side of the spectrum and the actual bandana is more a pure, middle-red.

But again it's about how it looks to my eyes in reality. Even knowing what I know about the numbers, the brown just feels closer to the correct color than the red.

Most likely it's because I've spent over 20 years drawing stuff primarily in pencil, so my mind has been conditioned to translate everything into a grayscale image and decipher every color based on it's value first, hue second and saturation level third.The color picker's Lightness vs Brightness thing isn't the same in HSB because HSB and HLS aren't the same due to the way they work with light range, so as I understand it the value/brightness will get overreaching brightness results while HLS lightness is more susceptible to overreaching saturation issues. In this case, going black and white using the color picker's Brightness slider from the HSB will give you inaccurately contrasty information here - brights will be brighter and darks will be darker, within the color spectrum. (The CIE Lab Lightness on the other hand will give you much more accurate results from the picker throughout the range, but that's another matter altogether.) But that's of course only about the digital numbers, tell me what you - an analog artist who sees from the pencil - think of the examples on Wikipedia for this using the pics of the firebreather: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HSV_color_space#Disadvantages

As for Adobe RGB vs sRGB, Ken Rockwell says that only theoretically does Adobe RGB have more color range, in practice not so much due to the way it compresses the color space and then uncompresses it, converts it for use, etc., and that sRGB is designed to be extremely accurate and universal. http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/adobe-rgb.htm

Of course, since you did all that sexy color averaging and picked out the HSB values and still came up with the red as closer, but you see it as the brown, is it possible you might have colorblindness in that red region? To my eyes it's not even close, the brown has nowhere near enough red in it to even be called a color, its low saturation and brightness numbers say the same thing, while "red" and "actual" are much more in the red family with obvious colors to them.




Yeah, sorry, I've been lurking around this thread, but never seemed to get around to getting my thoughts together and coming up with a reply.

I actually thought 2012 was a pretty good year. Sure, there might not have been the glut of product we've seen in previous years, but when I'm paying £10-£13 for each figure, I would much prefer quality over quantity. I still love this hobby, and want to continue collecting as long as possible, but it's becoming more of a struggle all the time. I haven't had a pay rise for 7 years, so with the rising costs of food, gas, petrol, and every other living expense (let alone SW figures!!), I effectively have a pay cut every year. So I actually prefer having less figures to buy - and yet it still seemed like I had a LOT to keep up with last year, especially in the last couple of months.

I didn't particularly notice the distribution problems.... distribution in the UK has always been unreliable to say the least, so I pre-order everything online, then just sit back and wait for it to show up. There are some great online dealers in the UK, who don't insist on selling by the case, so you can pick and choose what you want (some short-packed figures may be a bit dearer, but it works out a lot cheaper in the long run)... the seller I use regularly is even good enough to pick out good paint apps for me, so I don't even have to worry about getting poorly painted figures. And since I don't bother going to toy shops very often, I don't get to see what's pegwarming.... so, where many people have developed a dislike of TPM wave, because they still see them clogging the pegs everywhere, and holding up new product, I still look at them as some of my favourite figures from last year.

Ok, so highlights for me...

Some long overdue Vintage/POTF2 updates: Nien Nunb (much anticiptated, though I ended up being slightly underwhelmed by the weird paint job, and as a result, I don't think he looks as nice as other recent Sullustans), Snaggletooth (great figure!!), Lumat, Dr Evazan, Nikto, Weequay and Kithaba (too skinny, but I was really pleased to receive the red bandana variant - looks much better imho).

Podracers.... I'm not a huge fan of the podracers, and not bothered about getting them all made into plastic, but I was really impressed by the three released in 2012, and they ended up being three of my favourite figures of the year. I love getting new and unique alien figures, and they don't come much more unique looking than Ben Q! Sure, he was a particularly silly and cartoony character in the film, but I just love this figure!

Daultay Dofine.... I really like Neimoidians, and this is the best Neimoidian figure released so far... I would like to see Nute and Rune re-done to the same standard.

Ewok battle pack.... I've really grown to love these little furballs in recent years, and this is a fantastic set, with some great figures and tons of accessories.

Clone Wars.... I don't collect all the animated figures, only the occasional ones that seem like important characters, or are visually appealing, but I'm very impressed by the trio of realistic CW we got, and will probably collect these in future. I also bought the Darth Maul Returns BP - another three very good figures. Maul himself is the weak link, but still a fun and unique figure (I missed the comic pack realistic version). I like that the Nightsister is in realistic style - I display her with my other concept figures.

There were a few other very good figures.... Vader, Aurra Sing, Aayla, Orrimaarko, Sandstorm figures.... but I just can't muster up much excitement for these characters any more.

Lowpoints.... mostly because of terrible soft goods - Royal Guard and Tarkin spring to mind. Also, those vintage 2-packs were very bad value for money, especially the AT-ST crew.... basically £20 for two new heads. Love the ewoks though, but still overpriced.

Going forward, I'm quite happy Droid Factory has been cancelled.... boring selection of characters, and I hate feeling enticed into buying a full wave of figures (half of which I don't really want), just to get the "free" figure. My wallet will enjoy the break, and it will give me a chance to really appreciate what I already have.... I just hope there isn't suddenly a huge amount of stuff suddenly released in the Autumn.I hear ya on "quality over quantity", I just didn't feel particularly blown away by the quality either, not that there were a lot of bad figures, but I didn't feel like there were a lot of very strong performers either, even without taking the crazy price increase into account. Of course, you have it worse, I didn't know they were going for so much in the UK!

Yeah, distribution in the UK has sucked for a really long time, like since the '90s.

I totally forgot about Snaggletooth and the Power Droid, I didn't get either of those 3-packs but did want to, they were just too much money each for 2 figures I already had and 1 I didn't. Glad to hear I'm not the only one out there who thinks Kithaba is too lanky.

Also glad to hear I'm not the only one who finds the Royal Guard underwhelming. I know everybody's down on Tarkin for his deco, but I like the sculpt enough to keep it off my "worst" list.

Thanks for a fresh perspective, a very different take on the line in some ways, in others like Droid Factory - I know a lot of collectors felt the same way back during the original line - so quite in line in others.

I don't think they're going to deluge in autumn, but I suspect we'll see 3 or 4 waves between September and the end of the year.




This has been an interesting thread to read. I appreciate what everyone has posted.

Let me say that 2012 was not a year in which I purchased a lot of Star Wars merchandise. I focused mainly on Transformers.

What I did buy can be listed very briefly:

-TVC Obi Wan, Darth Maul, Sidious, Battle Droid, Hoth Luke, Aayla Secura, Nom Amor. Distribution was a big problem here, just like everywhere else. I saw pics of figures like Darth Malgus and Starkiller, but never pursued finding them.

I did buy some of the movie heroes figures, and I did get the Walmart "Discover the force" figures.

My brother-in-law gave me "Angry Birds Star Wars" Death Star Jenga for Christmas.

I got some Star Wars t-shirts for Christmas.

I bought the full version of "Angry Birds Star Wars" on my iphone.

I went back and read some things on here and now I want that TRU biker scout set. I think I remember seeing some last time I went, so that may warrant a trip back next week after I get paid, and hopefully they still have some.

My initial reaction to Lucas selling Star Wars to Disney was not a positive one. I have always kind of thought that since the 6 movies have been completed, Star Wars should be left alone. Now that I have had some time to think about it and have let the initial shock wear off, I think this could be a good thing. As JabbaJohnL said in his review, this is the first time since 1983 that we as a fandom can look forward and not really know where the story is going to take us. That is exciting to me!!

As far as the Clone Wars series is concerned, I have not watched too many episodes of if like I had earlier in the series. My DVR recorder had 11 unwatched episodes on it and I started to watch them last weekend. My interest in the series has been renewed. Saturday's episode was awesome, so I am now back in it for sure.

"Empire" has always been my favorite movie of all time...not just in the series, but out of ALL movies. I have found that I am falling in love with it all over again. It has everything in it..action, heroism, bravery, romance, betrayal, and the biggest surprise of them all.
The more I think about it, I am an OT guy right down to the core, but it doesn't mean I don't enjoy the prequels.

I want 2013 to be a good year for Star Wars. It has always been my first love as far as collecting goes, so I intend to spend more time
devoted to it this year.If you thought my YIR for Star Wars was rough, you should see my Transformers YIR, that was friggin' brutal. What did you think of TF in 2012?

Sounds like distribution on SW was utterly devastating for you, worse than most even.

What do you think of that Angry Birds Death Star? My mom and my sister have pointed it out to me, one thinks it looks fun and the other thinks it looks hellastupid. ;)

The Speeder Bike set is not a letdown, worth getting.

Oof, that's a lot of Clone Wars catching up to do.

Thanks for adding more voices to the YIR before January was over, it's great to get more perspectives on 2012. In some ways, I feel like 2012 is behind me and I can just let it go, but looking at the year on paper again it's still quite frustrating to think about. Obviously my thoughts on 2013 have changed and changed again now.

JetsAndHeels
01-28-2013, 12:14 PM
Transformers in 2012 was a pretty good year overall IMO. To me the highlights of the year were in the Masterpiece line. Thundercracker is good since they used the MP-11 mold which improved on the MP-3. The TRU MP-10 is my favorite of the year. It is such a work of art. I feel it captures the essence of G1 Optimus perfectly.

The FOC toys have been hit or miss. I love Starscream and Voyager Soundwave, but the Bruticus set was a little bit of a letdown for me.

The FE toys coming back to stores was a good thing. I finally have the voyagers and they are all kinds of awesome. I am also glad certain Prime figures (like Vehicon) became easier to track down, thanks to places like Marshall's and Ross and TJ Maxx.

I think the best deal of the year though was the Amazon Jetwing Prime. It was as low as $55 at one point, which is an absolute steal.

As far as that Angry Birds death star game, I have not even opened it yet. I will soon though.

JediTricks
01-28-2013, 08:44 PM
Transformers in 2012 was a pretty good year overall IMO. To me the highlights of the year were in the Masterpiece line. Thundercracker is good since they used the MP-11 mold which improved on the MP-3. The TRU MP-10 is my favorite of the year. It is such a work of art. I feel it captures the essence of G1 Optimus perfectly.

The FOC toys have been hit or miss. I love Starscream and Voyager Soundwave, but the Bruticus set was a little bit of a letdown for me.

The FE toys coming back to stores was a good thing. I finally have the voyagers and they are all kinds of awesome. I am also glad certain Prime figures (like Vehicon) became easier to track down, thanks to places like Marshall's and Ross and TJ Maxx.

I think the best deal of the year though was the Amazon Jetwing Prime. It was as low as $55 at one point, which is an absolute steal.

As far as that Angry Birds death star game, I have not even opened it yet. I will soon though.I'm surprised to hear such positivity about 2012 for TF, I found it a brutal year due to a very limited product range, deep quality cuts coupled with price increases, and Bruticus being a bit of a letdown as you said. I did like both MPs, but I haven't found either of the FE Voyagers yet.

Jetwing Prime was actually $52 at its lowest, I had it on page tracking to see how low it'd go, within a day of that it was back to full price of $100.

MP range was 100% success.
Generations 2.0 has been very hit & miss, I'd argue 1 out of 3 works and even then is a bit overpriced for what it is.
GDO was a moderate success for what it was.
TFP has been I'd say maybe 25% successful, Wheeljack and the Vehicon and the Starhammer are the pieces I think of as working as well as they should.
TFP-FE worked moderately as well, just way late and leaving out some pieces arbitrarily.

JetsAndHeels
01-29-2013, 10:11 AM
I'm surprised to hear such positivity about 2012 for TF

Compared to the awful distribution that SW had, TF were good. :)

Tycho
01-29-2013, 02:29 PM
Rendar, personally I’ve always thought JT gets excited or critical about the exact opposite things that he “should be,” but that’s my subjective opinion just like his.

JT is excited by improvements made to items / characters we already have, whereas my own enthusiasm is for things we never got in the line like the Hem Dazon and Bom Vimdim figures. To me, they are forever more exciting than any version of Darth Vader (aside from funeral pyre perhaps) that I’d NEVER even look at – and I mean that very seriously.

On the other hand, Vader must sell to new people (kids just old enough) to enter the hobby. Just like it wouldn’t work if the Batman line stopped stocking Batman and put out waves geared to tooling individual cops and Joker thugs, or the prisoners where Bane was held in the Middle East. Now I’m not going to get excited for those, but as far as background characters, Tzzzvvzzt or Shasha Teil or Nyrat Agira are all more visually interesting because of their design than the next Middle Easterner sand pauper in Bane’s prison hole. Thing is, any figure is a different design from Batman or Darth Vader.

I think I made my point clear. And the fact that Vader is necessary to continue selling the line to newbies. I’m just not going to care or get excited about a figure of him.

New Luke? On Dagobah where his Bespin jacket is OPEN, unbelted, and his Dagobah training muscle shirt is visible underneath RIGHT BEFORE Yoda raises the X-wing. That’s never been done and it’s different and still available. The Luke / Leia Medical Frigate figures were wonderful for me! Gotta have Cliegg Lars as with his hoverchair and stump leg, he’s still different from any previous Star Wars figure.

But I don’t think JT is any conisseur in the sense that he could be happy for fans exited by figures of Wedge and Tarkin back in the day – and Han Stormtrooper – that drew a good many of us back into the hobby after we’d been out of collecting toys for a long time. Then it was the Bartender and Porkins, Slave Leia, Mon Mothma – it goes on until recently it was Colonel Cracken. That’s the very strong spirit that keeps me in the hobby. My post count has dropped off tremendously for lack of that sort of thing to talk about and my wish that new figures of the aliens and random senators etc. were made in a continuing Clone Wars line.

Rendar, I too love the Expanded Universe and actually know there are VERY easy ways they can respect the continuity it’s established and have plenty (dozens) of stories they can tell without crapping all over it. If Han and Leia have a daughter named Jaina in her very late 20’s or early 30’s in Ep.7, no one has to know she had a twin brother, and also a younger one. But those of us fans of Timothy Zahn will know.

I also want a Masterpiece Ultra Magnus btw. But I love the Titanium one and would like that remade on a huge scale. The Titanium is an actual TRANSFORMER. Everything is connected and transforms. I’ve thought the City Commander 3rd party looked the most like G1.5 Magnus, but it’s a Lego set (in a way).



Silbilba:

I too enjoy the financial burden being lessened with less product to buy, as I have a lot of other hobbies / sports / events / projects etc that I like to have money to spend on.

I actually AM a fan of Aayla Secura’s character (to a degree) but barely bought any figures of her beyond the Saga 1 (AOTC) figure. I think I needed one more Aayla and got the ROTS version. Now I don’t look at her figures either – save for buying one Clone Wars version.

I also liked SOME of TPM offerings – the final Post-Senate Queen Amidala, and the Podracers, Daultay Dofine. I think I ignored the rest of the main characters who actually did wind up pegwarming. I agree with you about Ben Quadrinaros being a unique figure. But my favorite is Dud Bolt (not a vintage but a great Podracing character that’s such a cartoon stereotype, he’s fun!

So what Snaggletooth are you referring to? The Target 3-pack one would be cool to get on its own without a Tusken and Boba Fett, both who I REALLY do NOT want more figures of.

I could care less about most of the rest except I bought Lumat.

As to Neimoidians? While Nute and Rune could be done with ROTS attire first, I want Tey How more than any of the others since she (?) has never been made before. I also want a CLONE WARS cartoon version of Nute Gunray before ROTS movie figures or anything else to do with the Niemoidians. These Niemoidian figures NEED to get done as a priority.

The Ewok battle pack (K-Mart and Toys R Us packs) were awesome! Yup. 2012 was a great year for fans of Ewoks and we got NEW Ewoks and not redos of Logray and Wicket again. I think Warok could be single vintage carded or a movie version of Keolkeech (pretty sure it’s him with the fearsome skull headpiece that guards Leia when she joins the heroes when they’re about to become BBQ). Warok and Keolkeech should be the priority Ewoks before Chirpa or Teebo get vintage cards or something like that. I love Ewoks but won’t buy another Chirpa, Teebo, Romba, Logray, Wicket or Paploo. Just got my Lumats and am very happy with them.

Ewok battle pack.... I've really grown to love these little furballs in recent years, and this is a fantastic set, with some great figures and tons of accessories.

The Nightsister can work with my CW figures without too much telling she’s of a different line, so I don’t usually acknowledge that she is and regularly like lying to myself to protect my fantasy that the CW line actually keeps getting good new figures.

I’m not collecting the CW versions of characters for a realistic line (don’t need more Ahsoka, Anakin, and Obi-Wan as it is). Hasbro could screw me only by offering Riff Tamsen, Wagtwo, Senator Tsutsi, and other figures from CW that I want ONLY in realistic style. I hope they don’t. Then I don’t need those Anakins and Obi-Wans.

As to Droid Factory? I want Dooku’s pilot droid released somehow.

JediTricks
01-29-2013, 03:49 PM
Compared to the awful distribution that SW had, TF were good. :)Sure, so long as your name is "Bumblebee". :p Distribution on TF in 2012 was pretty rough as well, IMO.


Tycho, spend less time speaking for me, and more time concentrating on your own point of view, okay?

El Chuxter
01-29-2013, 03:56 PM
Another fun thing to do with a time machine: Go back to 1985. Tell yourself that you will be completely sick of Bumblebee, Snake Eyes, and Darth Vader.

JediTricks
01-29-2013, 04:01 PM
Ouch, and all of those are Hasbro's fault, unlike Batman (thanks Mattel and Christopher "let's ruin the franchise with a dumb 3rd movie" Nolan). I'm not sick of Vader yet actually, just sick of mediocre versions of him - I liked the new ANH figure enough to buy a second.

In 2012, don't you think maybe there were just a tad too many TF Prime Bumblebees on shelves compared to, say, everyone else? And nobody even likes that version of the character or the mold that much!

El Chuxter
01-29-2013, 04:12 PM
The saddest thing about it is, done properly, Darth Vader and Snake Eyes are two of the strongest characters in pop culture. And Bumblebee can even be done so it's impossible to not like him (his role as acting Autobot commander in the IDW-verse has really evolved the character beyond anything he's ever been before).

It's just there are TOO. DAMN. MANY. TOYS.

JetsAndHeels
01-30-2013, 10:08 AM
Sure, so long as your name is "Bumblebee". :p Distribution on TF in 2012 was pretty rough as well, IMO

I can only speak from my own experience, but there wasn't a TF toy that I had too much trouble finding last year. Even the TRU MP-10 was an easy find for me. There were a few lulls where it was harder to track things down, but I always ended up finding what I wanted. If I had to choose the one that was most difficult to find, it was definately Vehicon. The funny thing is though, after I got my first one, I found several more.

Unfortunately SW was not like that. There were entire waves I never saw.

JediTricks
01-30-2013, 06:02 PM
The saddest thing about it is, done properly, Darth Vader and Snake Eyes are two of the strongest characters in pop culture. And Bumblebee can even be done so it's impossible to not like him (his role as acting Autobot commander in the IDW-verse has really evolved the character beyond anything he's ever been before).

It's just there are TOO. DAMN. MANY. TOYS.Too many crap toys, really. There is room for a number of expressions with Snake Eyes and Vader, just not crappy expressions as they often are.



I can only speak from my own experience, but there wasn't a TF toy that I had too much trouble finding last year. Even the TRU MP-10 was an easy find for me. There were a few lulls where it was harder to track things down, but I always ended up finding what I wanted. If I had to choose the one that was most difficult to find, it was definately Vehicon. The funny thing is though, after I got my first one, I found several more.

Unfortunately SW was not like that. There were entire waves I never saw.Vehicon was a nightmare until they finally addressed it, then they went and put another pressing of RID Bumblebee out and ruined it again. But there wasn't much product in 2012 to begin with, and to me it felt like getting a lot of it was very frustrating. Perhaps your collecting scope was super limited? I dunno, seems like a really rosy outlook considering GDO scarcity, and I've never seen the FE Voyagers (TRU canceled my online order) or the FE Vehicon, or RID Voyager Skyquake (and only once with Dreadwing when I was super broke), and then there's product we were simply not getting any word on like TFP Breakdown and Gaia Unicron, and MP Soundwave and Sideswipe. Anyway, that's why I find 2012 pretty frustrating on the distribution side. I'm glad you got what you were looking for though.

bigbarada
01-30-2013, 09:06 PM
The saddest thing about it is, done properly, Darth Vader and Snake Eyes are two of the strongest characters in pop culture. And Bumblebee can even be done so it's impossible to not like him (his role as acting Autobot commander in the IDW-verse has really evolved the character beyond anything he's ever been before).

It's just there are TOO. DAMN. MANY. TOYS.

Totally agree. When I was a kid, Darth Vader and Snake-Eyes were two of my all-time favorite fictional characters. However, over the years, that interest has become increasingly diluted with merchandise overload until it just no longer exists any more.

Bumblebee was also one of my favorites, but he'll always be a Volkwagon Beetle to me. So any incarnation where Bumblebee transforms into something other than a Volkswagon Beetle is not really Bumblebee as far as I'm concerned.

JetsAndHeels
01-31-2013, 12:07 PM
I dunno, seems like a really rosy outlook considering GDO scarcity, and I've never seen the FE Voyagers (TRU canceled my online order) or the FE Vehicon, or RID Voyager Skyquake (and only once with Dreadwing when I was super broke)

Once again, this is just my personal experience. I walked into TRU and got every GDO Voyager. I then went to another store and got the remaining 2 deluxes I needed (FE Vehicon and GDO Wheelie). I was able to also find the FE Voyagers at 2 different stores.

I guess I was just fortunate in those instances. As far as Voyager Skyquake, I would love to have him, but in all reality if I don't ever get him that is fine with me too.

sebillba
01-31-2013, 05:25 PM
I hear ya on "quality over quantity", I just didn't feel particularly blown away by the quality either, not that there were a lot of bad figures, but I didn't feel like there were a lot of very strong performers either, even without taking the crazy price increase into account.

I know what you mean, but I think we're at a stage now where it's going to be difficult to be blown away.... Hasbro have reached a pinnacle in terms of sculpt and articulation, and rather than being impressed by such things, we've come to expect it. And there's always some other flaw - mismatched joints, oversized soft goods, inaccurate decos, slight mis-proportions, etc. But even if they were to get all that right and create a perfect figure, the character choices are unlikely to really excite us. I mean some of my most wanted figures to be made now are minor background characters, like Sim Aloo and Sasha Tiel, but they would hardly blow me away if they did get made, and were totally perfect. And major characters, we've just seen them all too much over the years - like the recent Vader, it's a fantastic figure, but I find it hard to get excited over it, as it's yet another Vader (albeit probably the best one ever).



Of course, you have it worse, I didn't know they were going for so much in the UK!

Well, they're officially £8.99 if you're lucky enough to find them in TRU, etc. but apart from most of the TPM wave, I got all mine online, mostly at £9.99... though some of the short packed are around £12.99.


Yeah, distribution in the UK has sucked for a really long time, like since the '90s.

Tell me about it!! I remember searching for the POTF2 Bib fortuna wave, and being chuffed to find them as "low" as £9! That was 1997! And then a couple of years later, travelling halfway across London to get the cheapest Nute and Rune I could find anywhere for £10 each. Thankfully, prices did settle down a bit after this, as more online outlets started popping up, but in retrospect, current prices aren't so bad... though of course, I was financially better off back then.


Thanks for a fresh perspective, a very different take on the line in some ways, in others like Droid Factory - I know a lot of collectors felt the same way back during the original line - so quite in line in others.

Glad to contribute.... I'm still a regular loiterer round here, but don't seem to get around to posting as much as I should.


I totally forgot about Snaggletooth and the Power Droid, I didn't get either of those 3-packs but did want to, they were just too much money each for 2 figures I already had and 1 I didn't.


So what Snaggletooth are you referring to? The Target 3-pack one would be cool to get on its own without a Tusken and Boba Fett, both who I REALLY do NOT want more figures of.

Yeah, that's the one... I wasn't too thrilled about having to buy two old figures to get it, but the Cantina is a primary focus for me, so I had to have him, and I think he's a pretty sweet figure (apart from the mismatched knee joints). I was actually lucky enough to get both sets from a guy on RS for $14.99 each, and with loose shipping, they didn't work out bad at all. The extra Tusken is always useful too me, and the Fett was a variant I'd ignored before, so that was ok too. The Power Droid set was less useful, but at least R5-D4 had a much sharper paintjob than the old carded figure.


As to Neimoidians? While Nute and Rune could be done with ROTS attire first, I want Tey How more than any of the others since she (?) has never been made before. I also want a CLONE WARS cartoon version of Nute Gunray before ROTS movie figures or anything else to do with the Niemoidians. These Niemoidian figures NEED to get done as a priority.


I'd like Tey How as well, but the new standard makes the 1999 figures look very inferior, and as Nute and Rune are the two main Neimoidians, they should be remade to the same quality. That's why I was so looking forward to the new Nien Nunb.... I was always fine with the old POTF2 figure, but once I started putting the latest SA Sullustans next to him, he looked terrible in comparison.

bigbarada
02-08-2013, 02:11 PM
Of course, since you did all that sexy color averaging and picked out the HSB values and still came up with the red as closer, but you see it as the brown, is it possible you might have colorblindness in that red region? To my eyes it's not even close, the brown has nowhere near enough red in it to even be called a color, its low saturation and brightness numbers say the same thing, while "red" and "actual" are much more in the red family with obvious colors to them.

I've been thinking about this and I don't believe it is color blindness, but possibly my mind trying to outsmart my eyes.

I grew up building and painting plastic model kits and, as most everyone knows, the primary colors for paint are red, blue and yellow. The only way to get brown paint is to mix red, blue and yellow paint together in varying ratios to create all the different shades of brown. If you take the red paint out of brown, then it becomes green and will never get close to brown again unless you put the red paint back in.

With a painted action figure, the brown paint MUST have some red in it, or it wouldn't be brown. So, even if I can't see the red in the brown paint, I know that it has to be in there somewhere. But, I only "see" the red paint by estimating how far that shade of brown paint is from being pure green. The less green it appears the more red must be present.

So, I guess you could say that I "perceive" the red more than "see" the red.

Darth Metalmute
02-08-2013, 09:50 PM
I just saw the 12" hasbro figures... They should have stayed away. No elbow articulation, terrible facial features and modeling, it almost looks like it was made by the companies that make drug store toys.

bigbarada
02-08-2013, 10:40 PM
I just saw the 12" hasbro figures... They should have stayed away. No elbow articulation, terrible facial features and modeling, it almost looks like it was made by the companies that make drug store toys.

Yeah, those definitely have a "Mexican bootleg" quality about them.

JediTricks
02-09-2013, 01:57 PM
I've been thinking about this and I don't believe it is color blindness, but possibly my mind trying to outsmart my eyes.

I grew up building and painting plastic model kits and, as most everyone knows, the primary colors for paint are red, blue and yellow. The only way to get brown paint is to mix red, blue and yellow paint together in varying ratios to create all the different shades of brown. If you take the red paint out of brown, then it becomes green and will never get close to brown again unless you put the red paint back in.

With a painted action figure, the brown paint MUST have some red in it, or it wouldn't be brown. So, even if I can't see the red in the brown paint, I know that it has to be in there somewhere. But, I only "see" the red paint by estimating how far that shade of brown paint is from being pure green. The less green it appears the more red must be present.

So, I guess you could say that I "perceive" the red more than "see" the red.My point was that there's virtually no red in that "brown", I've been saying it's essentially gray this whole time, and the numbers are close to gray as well, so what you're assuming should be there from past experience isn't as much.




I just saw the 12" hasbro figures... They should have stayed away. No elbow articulation, terrible facial features and modeling, it almost looks like it was made by the companies that make drug store toys.


Yeah, those definitely have a "Mexican bootleg" quality about them.These aren't for collectors, they're for kids. This is something parents and kids told us they wanted, we even mentioned it in Q&A, that the kid set wants an affordable 12" figure again, we told Hasbro that a few years ago at Comic-Con and it was something they hadn't thought about before. Personally, I think at $13 these are what they should be, although I do think the blasters and lightsabers should probably be separate accessories rather than molded into hands. Anakin doesn't look great because of the gloppy, shiny flesh paint they used, but the sculpt is recognizable. The Phase 1 Clone Trooper looks pretty decent though for what it is supposed to be.

Also, "mexican bootleg" is a thing of the past, now it's china doing all the worst bootlegging.

bigbarada
02-09-2013, 10:48 PM
My point was that there's virtually no red in that "brown", I've been saying it's essentially gray this whole time, and the numbers are close to gray as well, so what you're assuming should be there from past experience isn't as much.

I don't want to harp on this too much more. I think I was just saying that my brain knows the red has to be in there somewhere even if I can't see it. Which I can't. It's just that Color Theory class I took in college making things more complex than they need to be. :)


These aren't for collectors, they're for kids. This is something parents and kids told us they wanted, we even mentioned it in Q&A, that the kid set wants an affordable 12" figure again, we told Hasbro that a few years ago at Comic-Con and it was something they hadn't thought about before. Personally, I think at $13 these are what they should be, although I do think the blasters and lightsabers should probably be separate accessories rather than molded into hands. Anakin doesn't look great because of the gloppy, shiny flesh paint they used, but the sculpt is recognizable. The Phase 1 Clone Trooper looks pretty decent though for what it is supposed to be.

Also, "mexican bootleg" is a thing of the past, now it's china doing all the worst bootlegging.

I was just kidding with the Mexican bootleg comment. I was going to say Polish bootleg, but these don't look THAT bad.

Anyways, I hope they do well for what they are and you're right, that Clonetrooper isn't half bad. I might actually buy a 12" Stormtrooper if they make one.

RendarStillLives
02-10-2013, 03:36 AM
I'm surprised that Jaina statue got pushed back, it's a pretty straightforward piece, when is your daughter's birthday?

The one in question is Ariel. She just turned 11 on January 19th. Not sure what you're getting at though cause I have 5 wee tots. The yougest Keiran is 4 and yes he is named after Corran Horn's Jedi ancestor Keiran Halcyon cause I am that much nerd.


I'm not sure I understand your point about the color, the TVC figure is the same purple as the Evolutions original it's based on.

My favorites are on my shelf and the rest in storage but going from memory (which may be faulty) the TVC version is more true to film. Regardless, for me it's a complete version of Jango. I don't see much room for improvement.


The original was a deluxe when the limb-bots were basics though. The FOC figure isn't even that impressive next to the G1, I think: http://www.flickr.com/photos/mdverde/8091712070/

Bruticus with WFC/FOC figures he's only about twice as big, in the game he's probably 5 times as big, even with the smallest FOC figure I had a hard time making it feel like an impressive scale here:
http://tfviews.com/Bruticus/midsize/Bruticus%20Optimus%2003.jpg

Not even that humanoid, the long arms are more gorilla-like.

I couldn't agree more. The originals even with smaller scale, the lack of integral hands, feet and head combined as well as lack of articulation were still superior IMO. I love a lot of the third party combiners but at the prices they demand I have a hard time justifying ordering them. I may crack on the new Fansproject Menasor though once I see the complete set. One of my all time favorite G1 episodes was where we got to see Bruticus, Devastator and Menasor throw down. With Transformers I see a lot of really great ideas that are poorly executed. Bruticus and the Voyager Soundwave/disc-cons are a good example of this. Seeing them at TRU yesterday, as much as I want to like them I just don't.


Ah, I hear ya, not everybody is technologically-inclined for mobile. If you guys have a Sprint 4G WIMAX Hotspot already, you may be able to get the Virgin Mobile unlimited service, she should contact them first to see if they'd do that. It's definitely worth looking into if your Sprint bill is high - and it likely is.

Cable internet does go around $50 a month, I'm using Earthlink service who goes through my regular cable internet, so I'm paying $41 a month instead of that $50. I like the cable internet way more than my old DSL phone line internet, but the speed with cable is pretty much maxed out already.

She at least understands what you are talking about. Her hotspot is a Sprint OverdrivePro? We've been talking about it. We just got our taxes back and after taking care of some other priorities we will discuss it further and maybe pop my online gaming cherry.


I highly doubt it'll go for under $70, they couldn't sell the Y-wing Bomber under $70 at mass retail. Frustrating, no?


You have a point there but I hope you're wrong anyways. I picked up the Clone Wars Y-Wing for $60. Decided it wasn't worth it and traded it to my cousin for some stuff he had that I missed out on years ago.


If it comes up at Comic-Con, I'll mention those ideas. Had Hasbro gotten product out in greater numbers it'd be easier to judge the success of them.

I appreciate that JT. I was pretty excited to see a Vader and Anakin are coming out with the new stuff then just last night I found Vader at a Walmart on the Darth Maul packaging. Didn't even realize him and Anakin were already released.


Yup, and I wouldn't have bought any ever were it not for such strong recommendations here. I've also not bought any Eeth Koths, Luminara Undulis, or Barriss Offees - to me, the prequels have made Jedi characters into a ton of overhyped alien nobodies and I just don't feel any need to have everything when it has no impact for me. Like "oh, you stood there and did nothing for 3 movies, or you appeared for 3 seconds and got shot? Well, have a bunch of expensive action figures then!"

I agree to a point. Wasn't that what Boba Fett was for years? Within the movies there is very little dialogue or character depth to anyone but the core cast of heroes and villans. Comics, video games and lierature have expanded a lot of the wall characters though. I never read Battle Surgeons but the Approaching Storm (if I remember correctly) Barriss really rubbed off on me as this innocent sweet girl. The original POTJ Eeth Koth figure just looked cool and dynamic to me and as stated Plo koon was a fart in the wind until I started watching Clone Wars with my kids and learning more about the Baran Do sages in Outcast. The characters will gain more depth as time goes on.


So I started with absolutely zero expectations and the figure totally blew me away. However, I've never taken the time to compare her to any photos of the actress. To me the figure stands on its own enough that its accuracy to the onscreen character is somewhat irrelevant. I've never really been an Aayla Secura fan anyway.

Those are always my favorite ones regardless of character. In contrast I sometimes get my hopes too high when a character I have longed for becomes immortalized in plastic and doesn't turn out very well.


It's not attachment to the character - I didn't read her origin comics and she doesn't do anything that noteworthy in the films or TV show. I do like the prequel Jedi overall more than you do, I know, so there's that. Part of it could be that she's more visually striking than many of the figures released this year, which matters to me - I mean, Colonel Cracken's not going to get top honors. It could also partly be that it's so much better than previous Aayla figures - not that those were bad, but as a sign of progression showing what Hasbro is now capable of compared to previously in the line, Aayla is a fantastic example.

On the hip issue, again, I'm willing to let accuracy slide from time to time if it means it benefits the figure overall. The 2005 Aayla actually has skinny thighs similar to VOTC Han, which is a solution that I dislike. The TVC version obscures the hips with the objects hanging from her belt (which are well sculpted and textured, a first for the character and an interesting detail that shows what Hasbro is now capable of), so I really didn't even notice it as an issue before you mentioned it.

But a big part of what I love about the figure is her articulation, and the ball-joint hips allow her to be posed in some really cool ways. She's significantly more expressive than most other figures in the line because of this, and I think giving her slightly wider hips is completely fine for this reason. (She's not as bad as diaper-wearing Bespin Luke, at least.)

There are a lot of characters I was looking forward to but passed up like Cracken and Nien Nunb because of the dissapointments with Darth Maul and Hoth Luke. I'd appreciate your personal view on those two particular figures. I just don't feel I am getting my moneys worth in the more obscure characters and hope I am not missing out on anything exceptional. As for Aayla I like my ROTS version enough for the 2nd tier character she is. I picked the TVC version up anyways and just stuck it in storage. As I have said already, articulation can be a good thing but more often it is becoming over rated imo. It's personal preference but I only see the need for super articulation in my favorite characters though I am glad this version was available for those that like the character that much.


I didn't particularly notice the distribution problems.... distribution in the UK has always been unreliable to say the least, so I pre-order everything online, then just sit back and wait for it to show up. There are some great online dealers in the UK, who don't insist on selling by the case, so you can pick and choose what you want (some short-packed figures may be a bit dearer, but it works out a lot cheaper in the long run)... the seller I use regularly is even good enough to pick out good paint apps for me, so I don't even have to worry about getting poorly painted figures. And since I don't bother going to toy shops very often, I don't get to see what's pegwarming.... so, where many people have developed a dislike of TPM wave, because they still see them clogging the pegs everywhere, and holding up new product, I still look at them as some of my favourite figures from last year.

You're fortunate. All I've seen online is cases and even those that do sell single figures sell them at a premium to make up costs for the non short packed figures that they have to sell cheaper just to move product. I still haven't come across Tarkin or Emperor's Guard. Just found the Ewok 5 pack recently and passed on it. For $40 it didn't seem like a terrible value but it looked like (I may be wrong) one new sculpt and the rest were repaints/retools. Kneesa is a gray and pink Wicket. I'd love Han and Luke in stormtrooper armor from the Legacy Collection but at the time I rationalized I could swap Han and Luke's heads with the Stormtroopers I already had and not pay a single penny. Granted Aayla is an all new sculpt but shelling out $10 for every minor upgrade of a character is getting too expensive.


If you thought my YIR for Star Wars was rough, you should see my Transformers YIR, that was friggin' brutal. What did you think of TF in 2012?

Link please?


The FE toys coming back to stores was a good thing. I finally have the voyagers and they are all kinds of awesome. I am also glad certain Prime figures (like Vehicon) became easier to track down, thanks to places like Marshall's and Ross and TJ Maxx.


I'm glad they released the FE figures but already having RID Voyager Optimus and Bulkhead I was on the fence. Missed out on Starscream the first time out and think he was well executed. The Transformation is fun. My only regret is they released the Zombie Cliffjumper instead of the regular one. Fans from SDCC must be ****ed their exclusive isn't so exclusive and I refuse to pay over $30 on the 2nd market for a figure that should only be $15. I just nabbed ZombieJumper last night and he is awesome! I love the engineering of his transformation. The legs seem to be the weakest part of the figure but overall I think He's one of the best TFs in recent years and quite a novelty. Hasbro could make a lot more money by releasing the normal CJ. When a figure really impresses me I tend to buy an extra to keep MISB so twenty years from now when I am feeling the nostalgia I will have a back up.


I'm surprised to hear such positivity about 2012 for TF, I found it a brutal year due to a very limited product range, deep quality cuts coupled with price increases, and Bruticus being a bit of a letdown as you said. I did like both MPs, but I haven't found either of the FE Voyagers yet.

Just like with Star Wars, distribution, rising costs and inferior product. Almost every Transformer is being made smaller and lacks lots of paint. I feel like they don't even try anymore for some characters where jets have legs and arms obviously folded underneath instead of being intigrated into the alt mode (Dreadwing) while some characters are just vehicle panels hiding a robot inside (Ratchet). Repro labels is almost a must now for some figures (Magnus).


Rendar, personally I’ve always thought JT gets excited or critical about the exact opposite things that he “should be,” but that’s my subjective opinion just like his.


Idk about opposite but that is exactly the reason I was defending him. We all bring something different to the table. I love that! We couldn't have half the discussions we do if we all liked and hated the same things. It's a shame the Q&A was cancelled because we had quite a brain trust going on there.


JT is excited by improvements made to items / characters we already have, whereas my own enthusiasm is for things we never got in the line like the Hem Dazon and Bom Vimdim figures. To me, they are forever more exciting than any version of Darth Vader (aside from funeral pyre perhaps) that I’d NEVER even look at – and I mean that very seriously.


I understand both sides of that. I'm always on the look out for the ultimate versions of classic/favorite characters but because there are so many figures that get the slightest of tweaks every year or two I get far more excited for EU characters and wall characters.


On the other hand, Vader must sell to new people (kids just old enough) to enter the hobby. Just like it wouldn’t work if the Batman line stopped stocking Batman and put out waves geared to tooling individual cops and Joker thugs, or the prisoners where Bane was held in the Middle East. Now I’m not going to get excited for those, but as far as background characters, Tzzzvvzzt or Shasha Teil or Nyrat Agira are all more visually interesting because of their design than the next Middle Easterner sand pauper in Bane’s prison hole. Thing is, any figure is a different design from Batman or Darth Vader.

I think I made my point clear. And the fact that Vader is necessary to continue selling the line to newbies. I’m just not going to care or get excited about a figure of him.


No argument there. Same reason they have to redesign Transformers constantly. The MOTUC sub line from Mattel is sort of suffering from that issue. It's difficult for new fans to jump on without those mainstays. If I just started collecting and didn't have a Luke or Vader and couldn't get them I probably wouldn't bother collecting Star Wars at all. Heroes like Batman or Spider-Man are so successful because of their rogues galleries. A Luke without stormtroopers to fight is pretty lame and useless which makes Cliegg Lars uninteresting to me. Give Cliegg a removable leg and swoop so kids can re-enact the deleted scene where he loses it and I believe it would have a stronger selling point. Add his chair and a Tusken Raider and that would be a cool battle pack. No matter if we are talking about Star wars or Care Bears there is always a need for protagonists and antagonists.


New Luke? On Dagobah where his Bespin jacket is OPEN, unbelted, and his Dagobah training muscle shirt is visible underneath RIGHT BEFORE Yoda raises the X-wing. That’s never been done and it’s different and still available. The Luke / Leia Medical Frigate figures were wonderful for me! Gotta have Cliegg Lars as with his hoverchair and stump leg, he’s still different from any previous Star Wars figure.

It could be called Majic Mike Luke. Lol. You wanting that particular figure I can understand because I know building those scenes as dioramas is your hobby but for me the Bespin fatigues, Dagobah Landing Luke or the awful version of Luke that came in the comic two pack with Mara Jade would be good enough for me to recreate that scene. Different strokes for different folks and more power to you. Though I don't see a need for that figure (if they pulled it off nicely I would buy it), it in no way means I hope they don't make it so you lose out on getting Magic Mike Luke at some point. Sometimes it seems if someone disagrees or criticizes a figure someone else is gushing about, others get defensive or try arguing their opinion. Just because I'm not begging for a new Aayla Secura doesn't mean I won't appreciate a new one. I may wish Siri Tachi or Anakin Solo had been made available instead considering there are quite a few characters like Aayla with multiple molds out there but I realize EU fans are more an exception, not the rule. Same point goes for Kithaba or Dr. Evazen over Artoo and Boba Fett redos.


But I don’t think JT is any conisseur in the sense that he could be happy for fans exited by figures of Wedge and Tarkin back in the day – and Han Stormtrooper – that drew a good many of us back into the hobby after we’d been out of collecting toys for a long time. Then it was the Bartender and Porkins, Slave Leia, Mon Mothma – it goes on until recently it was Colonel Cracken. That’s the very strong spirit that keeps me in the hobby. My post count has dropped off tremendously for lack of that sort of thing to talk about and my wish that new figures of the aliens and random senators etc. were made in a continuing Clone Wars line.


The guy gives kids his only chance to get a toy he isn't sure he'll ever come across again and edits posts for those of us (me) technilogically impaired. I think he has more heart than he gets credit for. Maybe too much heart. Frustration, anger, pain, all of those things stem from caring about something. If he didn't care why would he waste the time and energy?


Rendar, I too love the Expanded Universe and actually know there are VERY easy ways they can respect the continuity it’s established and have plenty (dozens) of stories they can tell without crapping all over it. If Han and Leia have a daughter named Jaina in her very late 20’s or early 30’s in Ep.7, no one has to know she had a twin brother, and also a younger one. But those of us fans of Timothy Zahn will know.

Reading the comics and the books I notice the writers like to overlap but are very careful not to step on each others toes. Some stuff is bound to be missed because there is so much now days that it may very well be impossible to make everything flow, so sith happens. Lucas himself with the prequels did some rearranging and even said cannon priority is movies, cartoon, games, books, something like that. I know there are people at Lucasfilm who specifically have the job of approving things so that all media can tie together. If CW goes on for 8 years it would screw the whole continuity, not just EU. 5 seasons in and the same characters every week are cruising back and forth through out the galaxy in 3 years? In the novel for AOTC it takes place over months. People who only saw the movie assumed Anakin and Padme' fell in love over night (slight exageration). I'm sure there are people who could care less about the continuity and would love for some infinite crisis of the Star Wars universe to rewrite the whole thing. You can't make everyone happy and I think George tried to do that with the prequels. TPM for kids, AOTC for teens and ROTS for adults. He shouldn't have caved to demographics and just told the story he wanted as with the originals. Again Tycho, just because it may not be what I want most doesn't mean I want you or anyone else to miss out or that I'm not happy for you. I'm fine with having a wave of EU once a year even if they do get cancelled or resigned to exclusives. I do appreciate and love my Corran and Whistler, Anya Kuro, A'Sharad Hett, Darth Talon, Ulic, Jaina, Nom Anor, etc.


I also want a Masterpiece Ultra Magnus btw. But I love the Titanium one and would like that remade on a huge scale. The Titanium is an actual TRANSFORMER. Everything is connected and transforms. I’ve thought the City Commander 3rd party looked the most like G1.5 Magnus, but it’s a Lego set (in a way).


Didn't Hasbro hire Don Frigua (hoe do you spell it?) to do some new designs like Magnus with a one piece transformation? I thought it was great. Even as a stand alone figure in the 6" scale. However the head sculpt looks cherub-ish to me and the upside down/reversed shoulder missiles are bothersome. On other characters I wouldn't have minded but Magnus is perhaps my favorite Transformer of them all so I am still looking for that ultimate version. I think a solid cab/trailer like the Titanium one would be great but I also think MP-10 with a white repaint and new trailer that combined with the cab would be just as good also pleasing fans of G1 and Dreamwave. Plus more play value and it would be cheaper to produce a new trailer than an entirely new figure I imagine.


Ouch, and all of those are Hasbro's fault, unlike Batman (thanks Mattel and Christopher "let's ruin the franchise with a dumb 3rd movie" Nolan). I'm not sick of Vader yet actually, just sick of mediocre versions of him - I liked the new ANH figure enough to buy a second.

Someone had to find an excuse to get Anne Hathaway in skin tight spandex.


In 2012, don't you think maybe there were just a tad too many TF Prime Bumblebees on shelves compared to, say, everyone else? And nobody even likes that version of the character or the mold that much!

Ariel likes the classic Bumblebee and Roanin likes the newer Prime look. Both are completely irritated that he doesn't speak in the movies or cartoon. He's one of their favorites and while not mine without a doubt it's hard to dismiss Bumblebee as one of the more memorable TFs from my childhood. 2013 is looking better with the Beast Hunter case assortments having 2 of each character. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that it stays that way.


The saddest thing about it is, done properly, Darth Vader and Snake Eyes are two of the strongest characters in pop culture. And Bumblebee can even be done so it's impossible to not like him (his role as acting Autobot commander in the IDW-verse has really evolved the character beyond anything he's ever been before).

It's just there are TOO. DAMN. MANY. TOYS.

I have to agree. The new IDW series are a breath of fresh air. It's a shame Megatron was brought back so soon.


Vehicon was a nightmare until they finally addressed it, then they went and put another pressing of RID Bumblebee out and ruined it again. But there wasn't much product in 2012 to begin with, and to me it felt like getting a lot of it was very frustrating. Perhaps your collecting scope was super limited? I dunno, seems like a really rosy outlook considering GDO scarcity, and I've never seen the FE Voyagers (TRU canceled my online order) or the FE Vehicon, or RID Voyager Skyquake (and only once with Dreadwing when I was super broke), and then there's product we were simply not getting any word on like TFP Breakdown and Gaia Unicron, and MP Soundwave and Sideswipe. Anyway, that's why I find 2012 pretty frustrating on the distribution side. I'm glad you got what you were looking for though.

All I can find at this point is Bumblebee and the Vehicon with new Generations and Beast Hunters trickling out. I still haven't found Skyquake. When I nabbed his brother I wanted both but at this point I think I would pass on it.


I know what you mean, but I think we're at a stage now where it's going to be difficult to be blown away.... Hasbro have reached a pinnacle in terms of sculpt and articulation, and rather than being impressed by such things, we've come to expect it. And there's always some other flaw - mismatched joints, oversized soft goods, inaccurate decos, slight mis-proportions, etc. But even if they were to get all that right and create a perfect figure, the character choices are unlikely to really excite us. I mean some of my most wanted figures to be made now are minor background characters, like Sim Aloo and Sasha Tiel, but they would hardly blow me away if they did get made, and were totally perfect. And major characters, we've just seen them all too much over the years - like the recent Vader, it's a fantastic figure, but I find it hard to get excited over it, as it's yet another Vader (albeit probably the best one ever).


I agree with this statement. We have come to expect such things and in a sense become spoiled and due to the economy prices are rising and corners are being cut to try preventing further price hikes. It's a lose lose situation.


These aren't for collectors, they're for kids. This is something parents and kids told us they wanted, we even mentioned it in Q&A, that the kid set wants an affordable 12" figure again, we told Hasbro that a few years ago at Comic-Con and it was something they hadn't thought about before. Personally, I think at $13 these are what they should be, although I do think the blasters and lightsabers should probably be separate accessories rather than molded into hands. Anakin doesn't look great because of the gloppy, shiny flesh paint they used, but the sculpt is recognizable. The Phase 1 Clone Trooper looks pretty decent though for what it is supposed to be.

Also, "mexican bootleg" is a thing of the past, now it's china doing all the worst bootlegging.

I'd think the 3.75" figures would be the sweet spot because of the playsets and vehicles. Chances of those for 12" figures is pretty slim so I don't understand how those are geared for kids unless they're plush.

Tycho
02-10-2013, 03:38 PM
Rendar, great responses! :)

My heart's not set on that Dagobah (open Bespin Jacket) Luke. I'd buy it if they did it well, but don't really care. I'm only suggesting it since it's a way to get Luke out there from an on-screen appearence that hasn't been done and actually offers something different.

As to Magnus, we agree. You're right, too. When everyone agrees, there's not much to talk about :)

I want Siri Tachi and Anakin Solo, and realistic and animated versions of Senator Farr (Rodian) etc. too! Nothing I saw at Toy Fair inspires me to purchase ANY Hasbro in 2013. I'm hoping Comic Con reveals more.

Mr. JabbaJohnL
02-10-2013, 07:22 PM
There are a lot of characters I was looking forward to but passed up like Cracken and Nien Nunb because of the dissapointments with Darth Maul and Hoth Luke. I'd appreciate your personal view on those two particular figures. I just don't feel I am getting my moneys worth in the more obscure characters and hope I am not missing out on anything exceptional. As for Aayla I like my ROTS version enough for the 2nd tier character she is. I picked the TVC version up anyways and just stuck it in storage. As I have said already, articulation can be a good thing but more often it is becoming over rated imo. It's personal preference but I only see the need for super articulation in my favorite characters though I am glad this version was available for those that like the character that much.
For some reason, the Cracken figure has a collar while the film version does not. The white variant of the 2006 Rebel Trooper figure is actually also based on Cracken, though that figure has its issues and inaccuracies as well (the bandolier, the wrong gloves). The two actually share the same legs. Neither Cracken figure is really worth writing home about - aside from the inaccuracies, they both get the job done without being exceptional.

Nien Nunb is full of personality and is great fun to pose in different ways. He and Lando look pretty cool together in the BMF cockpit (where, coincidentally, Cracken should go as well). His lower jaw should be painted a darker shade of brown, since the figure just has one shade for all of his exposed skin. The issue here, though, is that he's quite short - not Mawhonic short, but shorter than the POTF2 figure by a good margin and waaaay shorter than the Sullustan Rebel pilot figures. In the film, you can see Nien in his vest standing in the background while Han and Lando discuss the fate of the Falcon, and the full-height Sullustan in the B-wing pilot suit was retconned to be Nien Nunb a few years ago; the character as he appears in the cockpit is a puppet, though to me he still looks like he's normal size. There seems to have been some sort of discrepancy in the EU where Sullustans started to be portrayed as very short, even though there's nothing in the film itself to suggest they're supposed to be anything but normal height, and The Clone Wars recently introduced Mr. Borkus, a normal-height Sullustan. If the background character and/or B-wing pilot are indeed supposed to be Nien, then the figure is simply too short. If you don't care about that too much, then he's a very cool figure.

JediTricks
02-11-2013, 10:55 PM
I don't want to harp on this too much more. I think I was just saying that my brain knows the red has to be in there somewhere even if I can't see it. Which I can't. It's just that Color Theory class I took in college making things more complex than they need to be. :)Just an interesting tangent, I'm pretty much exhausted on it as well, glad to hear you're not colorblind though, that'd suck being an artist and all. Although challenge often makes art better.


I was just kidding with the Mexican bootleg comment. I was going to say Polish bootleg, but these don't look THAT bad.

Anyways, I hope they do well for what they are and you're right, that Clonetrooper isn't half bad. I might actually buy a 12" Stormtrooper if they make one.Hey, I'm part Polish! Do the Polish bootleg? The only toy manufacturing I know of from Poland these days is LEGO opened a factory there not too long ago. I know you were kidding on that whole thing, Mexico and Poland would be ashamed to release a figure as bad-looking as that Anakin. :p China? Not ashamed.

Wow, you'd actually buy one? I wasn't going THAT far. ;)


The one in question is Ariel. She just turned 11 on January 19th. Not sure what you're getting at though cause I have 5 wee tots. The yougest Keiran is 4 and yes he is named after Corran Horn's Jedi ancestor Keiran Halcyon cause I am that much nerd.Oh, sorry it missed her birthday then. I was going to say I'll ask Koto when I see them at Wondercon in April if it'll be out before her birthday, but not without a time machine. :p

At least you didn't just name your kid after an obvious reference like "Luke" or "Anakin" there, it's an unusual SW name.


My favorites are on my shelf and the rest in storage but going from memory (which may be faulty) the TVC version is more true to film. Regardless, for me it's a complete version of Jango. I don't see much room for improvement.That was the original hope I think before we actually got it, but in person it's very purple. The only product I see out there right now close to right is the Koto ARTFX+, Hasbro has a new Saga Legends figure coming this year that ALSO has that same purple.


I couldn't agree more. The originals even with smaller scale, the lack of integral hands, feet and head combined as well as lack of articulation were still superior IMO. I love a lot of the third party combiners but at the prices they demand I have a hard time justifying ordering them. I may crack on the new Fansproject Menasor though once I see the complete set. One of my all time favorite G1 episodes was where we got to see Bruticus, Devastator and Menasor throw down. With Transformers I see a lot of really great ideas that are poorly executed. Bruticus and the Voyager Soundwave/disc-cons are a good example of this. Seeing them at TRU yesterday, as much as I want to like them I just don't.I hear that. I still haven't bought Voyager Soundwave or the disk minions for just that reason, poor execution. Luckily '13 looks to be going a different direction from the failures of '12. Metroplex alone is a massive wow.


She at least understands what you are talking about. Her hotspot is a Sprint OverdrivePro? We've been talking about it. We just got our taxes back and after taking care of some other priorities we will discuss it further and maybe pop my online gaming cherry.Glad to hear she understands. The Overdrive Pro is a 4g mobile hotspot that will work on Virgin Mobile, I don't know what the process to move from Sprint to Virgin Mobile would be, but it's worth calling and finding out - same exact 4G service (same towers, same Sprint carrier) just a different price.

Online gaming is fun, but it can suck down a lot of time.


I appreciate that JT. I was pretty excited to see a Vader and Anakin are coming out with the new stuff then just last night I found Vader at a Walmart on the Darth Maul packaging. Didn't even realize him and Anakin were already released.Unfortunately, Movie Heroes is now canned, so if something were to come of this, it'd most likely be in the 6" line.


I agree to a point. Wasn't that what Boba Fett was for years? Within the movies there is very little dialogue or character depth to anyone but the core cast of heroes and villans. Comics, video games and lierature have expanded a lot of the wall characters though. I never read Battle Surgeons but the Approaching Storm (if I remember correctly) Barriss really rubbed off on me as this innocent sweet girl. The original POTJ Eeth Koth figure just looked cool and dynamic to me and as stated Plo koon was a fart in the wind until I started watching Clone Wars with my kids and learning more about the Baran Do sages in Outcast. The characters will gain more depth as time goes on.Boba Fett did something though in the films, in ESB he's a lot of attitude but he doesn't shrink from Vader, he acts cleverly tracking the Falcon, Vader talks about him like he's a disintegratin' son of a gun, he ensures Vader won't destroy his business through the carbonite experiment, Fett has character and personality in the small movements and even sound effects. By contrast, the prequel Jedi aliens largely don't do anything, and when they finally do they're doing generic prequel Jedi antics and dying.


There are a lot of characters I was looking forward to but passed up like Cracken and Nien Nunb because of the dissapointments with Darth Maul and Hoth Luke. I'd appreciate your personal view on those two particular figures. I just don't feel I am getting my moneys worth in the more obscure characters and hope I am not missing out on anything exceptional. That's somewhat how I felt about Col. Cracken, even if he hadn't been a kitbash I don't think he'd have been worth my money and didn't seem like he could be exceptional no matter what they did.


Link please?I thought I swore in it since it's on my personal TF site, but it turns out I curbed my language so here ya go: http://www.tfviews.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1253&start=20#p35401


My only regret is they released the Zombie Cliffjumper instead of the regular one. Fans from SDCC must be ****ed their exclusive isn't so exclusive and I refuse to pay over $30 on the 2nd market for a figure that should only be $15. I just nabbed ZombieJumper last night and he is awesome! I love the engineering of his transformation. The legs seem to be the weakest part of the figure but overall I think He's one of the best TFs in recent years and quite a novelty. Hasbro could make a lot more money by releasing the normal CJ. When a figure really impresses me I tend to buy an extra to keep MISB so twenty years from now when I am feeling the nostalgia I will have a back up. They did some stupid little game at the Comic-Con slideshow reveal of the FE re-releases for Zombie Cliff and when they finally showed him off, the room audibly groaned and I think even booed, and Hasbro actually seemed surprised and took note of this. The SDCC one has a different, more detailed paint job, the 2 extra exclusive accessories, and the sweet hand-painted packaging so it's not too much a defeat, but it was a real groaner in the moment and just a waste of a slot.

I ended up buying the non-zombie Cliffjumper GDO Chinese exclusive when it hit TRU and it's good enough for my CJ needs, definitely not good enough to warrant any extra money in any iteration.

I used to buy backups like you're describing but it got expensive and took up too much space, and a lot of it ended up not being worth keeping backups on when I finally got there (or rotted).


Idk about opposite but that is exactly the reason I was defending him. We all bring something different to the table. I love that! We couldn't have half the discussions we do if we all liked and hated the same things. It's a shame the Q&A was cancelled because we had quite a brain trust going on there.Thanks! Yeah, we really got into the Q&A rhthym going, but at least it gives us an edge now in these interviews.


No argument there. Same reason they have to redesign Transformers constantly. The MOTUC sub line from Mattel is sort of suffering from that issue. It's difficult for new fans to jump on without those mainstays.That's how MOTU was when I was a kid too, basically it's what killed it back in the '80s. Kids who came in on year 2 wanted regular He-Man and Skeletor to go with their Moss Man and Triclops, but could only get battle armor versions and such of those main guys.


The guy gives kids his only chance to get a toy he isn't sure he'll ever come across again and edits posts for those of us (me) technilogically impaired. I think he has more heart than he gets credit for. Maybe too much heart. Frustration, anger, pain, all of those things stem from caring about something. If he didn't care why would he waste the time and energy?Thanks again, very astute. Also, I see protecting kid interests as protecting our interests as well, Hasbro's told us if the kid market dries up the brand is pretty much doomed, so it's a symbiosis... as well as satisfying to see kids on the toy aisle still excited about a brand I grew up with for the last 36 years.


Didn't Hasbro hire Don Frigua (hoe do you spell it?) to do some new designs like Magnus with a one piece transformation? I thought it was great. Even as a stand alone figure in the 6" scale. However the head sculpt looks cherub-ish to me and the upside down/reversed shoulder missiles are bothersome. On other characters I wouldn't have minded but Magnus is perhaps my favorite Transformer of them all so I am still looking for that ultimate version. I think a solid cab/trailer like the Titanium one would be great but I also think MP-10 with a white repaint and new trailer that combined with the cab would be just as good also pleasing fans of G1 and Dreamwave. Plus more play value and it would be cheaper to produce a new trailer than an entirely new figure I imagine.Don Figueroa, and the Titanium Series that Tycho is talking about is that very same Ultra Magnus. Not sure I udnerstand what you mean about the shoulder missiles though.


Someone had to find an excuse to get Anne Hathaway in skin tight spandex.Eh, after Havoc there's really not much she could do on film that's more provactive. :p


2013 is looking better with the Beast Hunter case assortments having 2 of each character. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that it stays that way.Never, that's what Hasbro does only in the first wave of each new line because there isn't past product to carry forward. In nearly every subsequent wave, they try to predict which characters will be in demand from previous waves and carry them forward. That's done to fill space from not being able to produce enough volume to meet demand - first in the previous wave, and then also in the new figures who ramp up production levels.


I'd think the 3.75" figures would be the sweet spot because of the playsets and vehicles. Chances of those for 12" figures is pretty slim so I don't understand how those are geared for kids unless they're plush.I agree, but parents actually asked us about inexpensive 12" figures their kids wanted, so I guess there is still a market for bigger figures out there to dominate over the rest of a kid's toys. It's probably a kid who has different play patterns from 3.75", no playsets or vehicles, doesn't want a ton of characters - of course that suggests to me that the kid will age out of that larger format quickly, but the price makes that easy enough.



For some reason, the Cracken figure has a collar while the film version does not. The white variant of the 2006 Rebel Trooper figure is actually also based on Cracken, though that figure has its issues and inaccuracies as well (the bandolier, the wrong gloves). The two actually share the same legs. Neither Cracken figure is really worth writing home about - aside from the inaccuracies, they both get the job done without being exceptional.

Nien Nunb is full of personality and is great fun to pose in different ways. He and Lando look pretty cool together in the BMF cockpit (where, coincidentally, Cracken should go as well). His lower jaw should be painted a darker shade of brown, since the figure just has one shade for all of his exposed skin. The issue here, though, is that he's quite short - not Mawhonic short, but shorter than the POTF2 figure by a good margin and waaaay shorter than the Sullustan Rebel pilot figures. In the film, you can see Nien in his vest standing in the background while Han and Lando discuss the fate of the Falcon, and the full-height Sullustan in the B-wing pilot suit was retconned to be Nien Nunb a few years ago; the character as he appears in the cockpit is a puppet, though to me he still looks like he's normal size. There seems to have been some sort of discrepancy in the EU where Sullustans started to be portrayed as very short, even though there's nothing in the film itself to suggest they're supposed to be anything but normal height, and The Clone Wars recently introduced Mr. Borkus, a normal-height Sullustan. If the background character and/or B-wing pilot are indeed supposed to be Nien, then the figure is simply too short. If you don't care about that too much, then he's a very cool figure.The collar on the '06 is also dead wrong for a different reason, it's supposed to clasp just off-center, instead it's a mock turtleneck with no clasp at all. The collar on the '12 figure is new and yet clearly wrong, it doesn't match any TVC collared character - not Lando General, not the Rebel Fleet Trooper, not Nien Nunb, they're all different designs in film and - so it's not like they pulled it from another look, it's like they pulled it from the ether.

Nien Nunb the puppet has a lower shoulders and collar than Lando, probably that's why he's percieved as smaller.

RendarStillLives
03-11-2013, 01:22 AM
Rendar, great responses! :)

My heart's not set on that Dagobah (open Bespin Jacket) Luke. I'd buy it if they did it well, but don't really care. I'm only suggesting it since it's a way to get Luke out there from an on-screen appearence that hasn't been done and actually offers something different.

As to Magnus, we agree. You're right, too. When everyone agrees, there's not much to talk about :)

I want Siri Tachi and Anakin Solo, and realistic and animated versions of Senator Farr (Rodian) etc. too! Nothing I saw at Toy Fair inspires me to purchase ANY Hasbro in 2013. I'm hoping Comic Con reveals more.

Thanks Tycho. I appreciate that and whole heartedly agree. If nothing else I'm looking forward to the new Mara and the 6" Luke. Maybe Hasbro will re-release the new Naboo Fighter while they are at it.


For some reason, the Cracken figure has a collar while the film version does not. The white variant of the 2006 Rebel Trooper figure is actually also based on Cracken, though that figure has its issues and inaccuracies as well (the bandolier, the wrong gloves). The two actually share the same legs. Neither Cracken figure is really worth writing home about - aside from the inaccuracies, they both get the job done without being exceptional.

Nien Nunb is full of personality and is great fun to pose in different ways. He and Lando look pretty cool together in the BMF cockpit (where, coincidentally, Cracken should go as well). His lower jaw should be painted a darker shade of brown, since the figure just has one shade for all of his exposed skin. The issue here, though, is that he's quite short - not Mawhonic short, but shorter than the POTF2 figure by a good margin and waaaay shorter than the Sullustan Rebel pilot figures. In the film, you can see Nien in his vest standing in the background while Han and Lando discuss the fate of the Falcon, and the full-height Sullustan in the B-wing pilot suit was retconned to be Nien Nunb a few years ago; the character as he appears in the cockpit is a puppet, though to me he still looks like he's normal size. There seems to have been some sort of discrepancy in the EU where Sullustans started to be portrayed as very short, even though there's nothing in the film itself to suggest they're supposed to be anything but normal height, and The Clone Wars recently introduced Mr. Borkus, a normal-height Sullustan. If the background character and/or B-wing pilot are indeed supposed to be Nien, then the figure is simply too short. If you don't care about that too much, then he's a very cool figure.

I appreciate how in depth that was but as far as those background characters go I am not all that picky. I only knew of Cracken from the novels. Nien nunb holds a special place for me because he is one of the originals I once had as a kid my grandfather had bought me. So there is a lot of sentimental value there. Which is actually what got me started collecting toys at all again back in '96. I was pleased with the Legacy version enough especially using that awesome Tycho body but would love to get a true Nien Nunb figure.


At least you didn't just name your kid after an obvious reference like "Luke" or "Anakin" there, it's an unusual SW name.

Yeah. I like to keep things somewhat obscure. I have a mythosaur skull tattoo on my arm and everyone asks if the artist messed up trying to do a bull or deer skull. I get a kick out of it.


I hear that. I still haven't bought Voyager Soundwave or the disk minions for just that reason, poor execution. Luckily '13 looks to be going a different direction from the failures of '12. Metroplex alone is a massive wow.


I recently found Rewind & Sunder and Ramhorn & Eject and picked them up. They looked a bit better than the Decepticon cassettes. They are actually pretty neat and have a spring loaded transformation not entirely like Bakugon (which uses magnets). I think the switch is supposed to be triggered when they are ejected from Soundwave or Blaster so they automatically transform. They are growing on me and I am tempted to buy the others. Sunder is sweet. Ramhorn tends to stick and doesn't auto transform very good. Looks great though. The bots feet need to be folded out manually and only stand when the feet are half folded out. The arms if not rotated a certain way while posing tend to try and fold the figure back up into a disk. Same scale as Legends and Cyberverse. Also snagged the new Grimlock and Smokescreen. If anyone is curious on my thoughts I am happy to share otherwise I don't wanna derail the thread that much.

Yes! Metroplex is a must have for me and fortunately he is scheduled to be released right around my birthday. Those triple changers have me excited as well. I'm hoping a new Astrotrain will round out the set.


Unfortunately, Movie Heroes is now canned, so if something were to come of this, it'd most likely be in the 6" line.

I'm still seeing them. On the card backs Vader is 20 and Anakin is 19. I forget the numbers for Kenobi and Jinn but the Anakin must be out there and just getting picked up quickly. I didn't intend to get Anakin but if those are the only four figures being offered with that feature I might as well complete the set.


Boba Fett did something though in the films, in ESB he's a lot of attitude but he doesn't shrink from Vader, he acts cleverly tracking the Falcon, Vader talks about him like he's a disintegratin' son of a gun, he ensures Vader won't destroy his business through the carbonite experiment, Fett has character and personality in the small movements and even sound effects. By contrast, the prequel Jedi aliens largely don't do anything, and when they finally do they're doing generic prequel Jedi antics and dying.


Lol. I was going to argue Kit Fisto and Boba Fett weren't all too different in respect to how they are portrayed in the movies but the argument seemed ridiculous so I conceed to your point.


I thought I swore in it since it's on my personal TF site, but it turns out I curbed my language so here ya go: http://www.tfviews.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1253&start=20#p35401

Thanks. As I have said, I like hearing the different takes everyone has on figures so I can better judge my investments. No worries about language. I've been told I could make a sailor blush.


I ended up buying the non-zombie Cliffjumper GDO Chinese exclusive when it hit TRU and it's good enough for my CJ needs, definitely not good enough to warrant any extra money in any iteration.

I used to buy backups like you're describing but it got expensive and took up too much space, and a lot of it ended up not being worth keeping backups on when I finally got there (or rotted).

I still have not seen the Deluxe GDOs. Only the Voyager ones. Understandable on the back up figures. With new versions of popular characters coming out every year it can make a previous version obsolete. Not every character. My favorite Jedi Luke is probably the Legacy Sandstorm one. Favorites that I feel do get improved I will ebay after buying their replacements or let the kids open. What really makes me roll my eyes is when I grab triplets because I don't always remember what I have if it isn't currently on my shelf.


Thanks! Yeah, we really got into the Q&A rhthym going, but at least it gives us an edge now in these interviews.


Exactly! I look forward to those interviews every year because it's our only window into seeing what exactly the thought process is over there at Hasbro because at the retail level you'd hardly know they cared at all about the product that comes out or us collectors. Because of those interviews I know they try and too often their hands are tied by corporate beuracracy.


Don Figueroa, and the Titanium Series that Tycho is talking about is that very same Ultra Magnus. Not sure I udnerstand what you mean about the shoulder missiles though.

Mine is in storage right now but if memory serves me the missile launchers peg in upside down on the shoulders in robot mode. They can't be flipped or reversed to correct it because of the way they connect in vehicle mode where they are right side up.


Eh, after Havoc there's really not much she could do on film that's more provactive. :p

I love and bought that movie for that very reason. :joyous:


Never, that's what Hasbro does only in the first wave of each new line because there isn't past product to carry forward. In nearly every subsequent wave, they try to predict which characters will be in demand from previous waves and carry them forward. That's done to fill space from not being able to produce enough volume to meet demand - first in the previous wave, and then also in the new figures who ramp up production levels.

Quit trying to burst my bubble man! Lol. Sad but true. Sometimes though it feels like they intentionally short pack a character they know will sell and do not carry it forward to create demand. I'm still unsure how that generates any sales though. Seems more like shooting themselves in the foot.

By the way, I snagged an AOTC Slave-1 up for $20 at a local comic shop. Had some scuffs on the canopy and some stressing on the tail guns but was 100% complete and in great condition otherwise. It appears slightly smaller than my SOTF version but I think it's still an improvement with all the missiles, mines and the cockpit seating (standing) 3 figures. I'm hoping the Amazon exclusive won't be insanely over priced but if it is I will be happy with the two versions I now have.

JediTricks
03-11-2013, 04:15 PM
Yeah. I like to keep things somewhat obscure. I have a mythosaur skull tattoo on my arm and everyone asks if the artist messed up trying to do a bull or deer skull. I get a kick out of it.To be honest, I thought that would be more recognizable, I am too much a geek. :p


I recently found Rewind & Sunder and Ramhorn & Eject and picked them up. They looked a bit better than the Decepticon cassettes. They are actually pretty neat and have a spring loaded transformation not entirely like Bakugon (which uses magnets). I think the switch is supposed to be triggered when they are ejected from Soundwave or Blaster so they automatically transform. They are growing on me and I am tempted to buy the others. Sunder is sweet. Ramhorn tends to stick and doesn't auto transform very good. Looks great though. The bots feet need to be folded out manually and only stand when the feet are half folded out. The arms if not rotated a certain way while posing tend to try and fold the figure back up into a disk. Same scale as Legends and Cyberverse. Also snagged the new Grimlock and Smokescreen. If anyone is curious on my thoughts I am happy to share otherwise I don't wanna derail the thread that much.

Yes! Metroplex is a must have for me and fortunately he is scheduled to be released right around my birthday. Those triple changers have me excited as well. I'm hoping a new Astrotrain will round out the set.
I ended up getting Soundblaster, Ravage and Frumble, and Blaster, and a buddy picked me up Ramhorn & Eject which we're waiting to swap. The Bakugan magnets only release a trigger, the rest of the gimmick there is spring-loaded, but it's more clever and cheaper than these - I have a ton of Bakugan from a clearance last year. I think the springs on the TF disk minions can't trigger from the plunger because the cavity holds the figure closed until after it's all the way out of the cavity and by then the trigger is no longer being pushed by the plunger. Sometimes Buzzsaw will transform that way though, but mostly he transforms hitting the table. Ravage and Steeljaw are awful product and should be avoided. I think Eject is the best use of the bot design, and he's got a different sculpt from them as well, but I haven't seen in person yet to compare.

Generations already has an existing Astrotrain, so it's unlikely they'd redo him despite the original retailer listing for Blitzwing mistakenly showing "Astrotrain". They're doing Sandstorm reusing the Springer mold though, exchanging rotors for hoverjet wings, that's pretty cool.


I'm still seeing them. On the card backs Vader is 20 and Anakin is 19. I forget the numbers for Kenobi and Jinn but the Anakin must be out there and just getting picked up quickly. I didn't intend to get Anakin but if those are the only four figures being offered with that feature I might as well complete the set.Non-US release now.


Lol. I was going to argue Kit Fisto and Boba Fett weren't all too different in respect to how they are portrayed in the movies but the argument seemed ridiculous so I conceed to your point.To paraphrase Yoda, "grins not make one great." :D


I still have not seen the Deluxe GDOs. Only the Voyager ones. Understandable on the back up figures. With new versions of popular characters coming out every year it can make a previous version obsolete. Not every character. My favorite Jedi Luke is probably the Legacy Sandstorm one. Favorites that I feel do get improved I will ebay after buying their replacements or let the kids open. What really makes me roll my eyes is when I grab triplets because I don't always remember what I have if it isn't currently on my shelf.Ironically, my situation is the opposite, I've never seen the Voyagers, and occasionally have seen the Deluxes.

Yeah, getting redoubles is the worst, I've been there.


Exactly! I look forward to those interviews every year because it's our only window into seeing what exactly the thought process is over there at Hasbro because at the retail level you'd hardly know they cared at all about the product that comes out or us collectors. Because of those interviews I know they try and too often their hands are tied by corporate beuracracy.:thumbsup:


Mine is in storage right now but if memory serves me the missile launchers peg in upside down on the shoulders in robot mode. They can't be flipped or reversed to correct it because of the way they connect in vehicle mode where they are right side up.Judging on pics, it looks like they can, they're simple pegs.


Quit trying to burst my bubble man! Lol. Sad but true. Sometimes though it feels like they intentionally short pack a character they know will sell and do not carry it forward to create demand. I'm still unsure how that generates any sales though. Seems more like shooting themselves in the foot.That's the collectors' fear, that Hasbro somehow doesn't want us to have product, that they're artificially inflating rarity for some reason, but as you said, how does that gain them anything? They're just trying the best they can, and the best they can is not always that great at picking winners. My TRU still has Yarnas. :p


By the way, I snagged an AOTC Slave-1 up for $20 at a local comic shop. Had some scuffs on the canopy and some stressing on the tail guns but was 100% complete and in great condition otherwise. It appears slightly smaller than my SOTF version but I think it's still an improvement with all the missiles, mines and the cockpit seating (standing) 3 figures. I'm hoping the Amazon exclusive won't be insanely over priced but if it is I will be happy with the two versions I now have.Yeah, I like the AOTC release, it's a nice vehicle and the gimmicks are fun. If you like interiors though, it's almost as pointless as the vintage, which is what this new one has going for it, but the price can make or break this release.

Mr. JabbaJohnL
03-11-2013, 04:19 PM
I'm still seeing them. On the card backs Vader is 20 and Anakin is 19. I forget the numbers for Kenobi and Jinn but the Anakin must be out there and just getting picked up quickly. I didn't intend to get Anakin but if those are the only four figures being offered with that feature I might as well complete the set.
Light-up Darth Vader was released, but light-up Anakin is a more complicated story. He appears on the back of the USA packaging, but was never released stateside - despite what Hasbro initially said, for whatever reason, Movie Heroes wave 3 ended up consisting solely of light-up Vader and rappel-line snowspeeder Luke. Samples exist of Anakin on European Darth Maul cards, but it seems like this version is very rare. He's currently available on the Yoda card outside of the USA, though how plentiful he is, I'm not sure.

EDIT: JT posted as I was typing, but there ya go.

RendarStillLives
03-11-2013, 09:20 PM
I ended up getting Soundblaster, Ravage and Frumble, and Blaster, and a buddy picked me up Ramhorn & Eject which we're waiting to swap. The Bakugan magnets only release a trigger, the rest of the gimmick there is spring-loaded, but it's more clever and cheaper than these - I have a ton of Bakugan from a clearance last year. I think the springs on the TF disk minions can't trigger from the plunger because the cavity holds the figure closed until after it's all the way out of the cavity and by then the trigger is no longer being pushed by the plunger. Sometimes Buzzsaw will transform that way though, but mostly he transforms hitting the table. Ravage and Steeljaw are awful product and should be avoided. I think Eject is the best use of the bot design, and he's got a different sculpt from them as well, but I haven't seen in person yet to compare.

That's a shame. After seeing how cool the disks were I was strongly considering getting Blaster.


Generations already has an existing Astrotrain, so it's unlikely they'd redo him despite the original retailer listing for Blitzwing mistakenly showing "Astrotrain". They're doing Sandstorm reusing the Springer mold though, exchanging rotors for hoverjet wings, that's pretty cool.

I'm still hoping.


Judging on pics, it looks like they can, they're simple pegs.


The launchers as well as the shoulders have male and female pegs so when in truck mode it all fits snug together. In Robot mode the pegs can't be reversed or flipped so they look upside down. The sloped/raised area must face down in robot mode. I don't believe mine is an error because every version I have seen is like this.



That's the collectors' fear, that Hasbro somehow doesn't want us to have product, that they're artificially inflating rarity for some reason, but as you said, how does that gain them anything? They're just trying the best they can, and the best they can is not always that great at picking winners. My TRU still has Yarnas. :p

Mine still have Bespin Security Guards.


Yeah, I like the AOTC release, it's a nice vehicle and the gimmicks are fun. If you like interiors though, it's almost as pointless as the vintage, which is what this new one has going for it, but the price can make or break this release.

Agreed. Thought it was something I should jump on just in case the Big Slave-1 is out of my budget.


Light-up Darth Vader was released, but light-up Anakin is a more complicated story. He appears on the back of the USA packaging, but was never released stateside - despite what Hasbro initially said, for whatever reason, Movie Heroes wave 3 ended up consisting solely of light-up Vader and rappel-line snowspeeder Luke. Samples exist of Anakin on European Darth Maul cards, but it seems like this version is very rare. He's currently available on the Yoda card outside of the USA, though how plentiful he is, I'm not sure.


Weird how they release the figures with collection numbers around it but not that particular figure. I thought there was a law that they had to release what was advertised on the back of the package or something. Like when Wedge was originally released in Vintage but they wanted to re-work the figure so they did a small production run to avoid false advertising then released it in full production the next year or something like that.

JediTricks
03-12-2013, 03:20 AM
The launchers as well as the shoulders have male and female pegs so when in truck mode it all fits snug together. In Robot mode the pegs can't be reversed or flipped so they look upside down. The sloped/raised area must face down in robot mode. I don't believe mine is an error because every version I have seen is like this.Oh man, what a stupid mistake they made! This is why you can't let a non-TF team design Transformers.


Mine still have Bespin Security Guards.WTF? That's a weird one, I don't remember it pegwarming anywhere. It's been a while though.


Weird how they release the figures with collection numbers around it but not that particular figure. I thought there was a law that they had to release what was advertised on the back of the package or something. Like when Wedge was originally released in Vintage but they wanted to re-work the figure so they did a small production run to avoid false advertising then released it in full production the next year or something like that.Nope, and in fact "false advertising" isn't a real legal thing unless it's "unfair or deceptive" and "deceptive" really means INTENTIONALLY deceptive which this wouldn't cover. Not being able to bring an intended product out isn't intentionally deceptive or unfair. They held back Wedge because the head they sculpted for the Luke body didn't fit correctly, and the initial run when they finally did release it was simply a small revision assortment at a time when retailers weren't refreshing product, so it didn't make a splash initially.

Mr. JabbaJohnL
03-12-2013, 12:04 PM
Weird how they release the figures with collection numbers around it but not that particular figure. I thought there was a law that they had to release what was advertised on the back of the package or something.

Nope, and in fact "false advertising" isn't a real legal thing unless it's "unfair or deceptive" and "deceptive" really means INTENTIONALLY deceptive which this wouldn't cover. Not being able to bring an intended product out isn't intentionally deceptive or unfair.
This has happened a couple times before as well - there was supposed to be a Grievous re-release that didn't happen and left a gap in the Legacy Collection numbering a few years back. It seems like they get around any possible legal issues with warnings like "Product and colors may vary."