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Tycho
05-03-2013, 01:33 AM
I have Han Luke Leia Chewie and some stormtroopers out.

Only six points of articulation and big chests And oversized weapons.

I was so excited to get these way back when.

I still love mine for the memories.

bigbarada
05-06-2013, 03:45 PM
I have to admit, there is some nostalgic value there, because this line is almost 18 years old now. In August, POTF2 will be old enough to vote.... and buy cigarettes. (I'm assuming it was released in August 1995, because Hasbro usually debuts their new lines in August).

That's not to say that I have any urge to collect them all again. Although, occasionally I find one or two on eBay that spur up some fond memories. I think POTF2 was my "golden age" of collecting, because I was out on my own and had enough disposable income to buy practically whatever I wanted. By 1998, I was starting to burn out and gravitate more towards N64 video games, but I still have some really fond memories of all the figures released between 1995 and 1998.

In fact, the Slackers store near me has an entire wall of carded POTF2 figures for sale and that's fun to look though and reminisce about the carefree 1990s.

El Chuxter
05-06-2013, 06:09 PM
As the Crowd Control Stormtrooper and Cruisemissile Trooper have not been updated, the line can never die in our hearts.

Mr. JabbaJohnL
05-07-2013, 02:54 PM
I used to look through Steve Sansweet's Action Figure Archive to compare how much better the POTF2 figures looked than the vintage ones. It's crazy to think how things have progressed since then - and to realize that the time difference between the end of the vintage line and the start of POTF2 is the same time between the blue-and-gold "saga" line look and now. :eek:

I became a fan and started buying the figures in 1997 when I was seven years old, so my earliest SW memories involve POTF2 (my first figure was the EU bounty hunter Chewie, but still). Almost all of the stores where I would get the figures back then are now gone, and the only store that still remains is a Target that was almost completely remodeled. I remember making the decision to get the single-carded Han even though I had the one from the Jabba beast pack, so I can actually pinpoint the moment my completism started. :p

JediTricks
05-07-2013, 03:12 PM
I find that the more I look at the POTF2 figures, the less I like them. There's something pleasing about the ability to do so much with so little that is found on the vintage Kenner line, and the sculpting quality kicked up considerably at POTJ. But the bulky 'roid-rage '95 figures with their giant oversized accessories feel like they're trapped in an era of crass commercialism, like they could have been better but instead tried to be something they weren't (look at what McFarlane did with the 2nd wave of Spawn figures, for example). Very few POTF2 figures remain in my good graces - just 2-1B, Jawas, 8D8 (I can't even say EV-9D9 because that's a retool of the Kenner vintage mold!), Bossk (there are better Bossks, but that POTF2 one is still pretty good), Death Star Droid, Pote Snitkin, and that's about it. And even there, only the Death Star Droid and Pote Snitkin really feel up to a quality level of deco and sculpt.

Tycho
05-08-2013, 10:11 PM
It's about the memories and the hopes for a new line:

1) since we only had 80's vintage to compare them to, with flat-line eye slits and skinny bodies to fit on coffin cards, the 1995's, looking somewhat more like the movie actors who portrayed our beloved characters, were something awesome to get all excited about. In fact, it's what started THIS WEBSITE, SSG, as we were all crazy about SW's return.

2) Not too long after, with Dagobah Luke and the Han Solo Stormtrooper mail-away, we began to wonder what this rebirth entailed for us that we'd never gotten before: Vader Removeable Helmet, Wedge, Tarkin, Slave Leia, Wuher, Piett, a Rebel Fleet Trooper, Garindan.

These were but a few I'd always dreamt I could've had in the 1980's.

Just to get those in 1996 - 1998 I was thrilled that SW was back.

Also, as some here pointed out - I had my own money, credit too, and could drive my own butt to the store to get these without my mom's help. Thus I could have as many stormtroopers as I'd ever had wanted and could start buying to accumulate the parts to dioramas I wanted to build, like I made "play bases" for my figures back in my childhood.

And as pretty darn psycho-wierd with a need for committment to psychiatric help as that was, I made friends - a lot of them - who were completely like-minded people. (Oh yeah - I'm talking to a lot of you right now, hehe).

Lord Malakite
05-08-2013, 11:59 PM
Very few POTF2 figures remain in my good graces - just 2-1B, Jawas, 8D8 (I can't even say EV-9D9 because that's a retool of the Kenner vintage mold!), Bossk (there are better Bossks, but that POTF2 one is still pretty good), Death Star Droid, Pote Snitkin, and that's about it. And even there, only the Death Star Droid and Pote Snitkin really feel up to a quality level of deco and sculpt.
What about the POTF2 B'Omarr Monk mail-in? Yeah the sculpt isn't movie accurate, and the paint job wasn't movie accurate (at least when compared to the "slightly more accurate" paint job of the B'Omarr Monk re-release from Saga's Jabba's Denizens multipack). Still, its probably one of the most unusual and unique figures to come from the modern SW toy line (POTF2-Present Day), or any toy line for that matter.

El Chuxter
05-09-2013, 08:00 AM
Ree Yees is a really nice figure.

Bel-Cam Jos
05-11-2013, 08:09 AM
Okay, time for a list (LISTS... :drool: ) then.

TOP TEN POTF2 FIGURES WHO CAN STAND UP TO TODAY'S STANDARDS:
10.Capt. Piett
9. 2-1B
8. Adm. Motti
7. Death Star Droid
6. Aunt Beru
5. Darth Vader: Removable Helmet (to reveal... Old Man Jenkins?!?)
4. Bossk
3. Pote Snitkin
2. Ree-Yees
1. R5-D4 (kidding...)
1. B'Omarr Monk

El Chuxter
05-11-2013, 09:20 AM
You guys think I'm kidding about the Cruisemissile Trooper. And, to an extent, I am. But I still think the basic design and function of the ship, as well as the color scheme of the pilot, are quite good, no matter how the execution of the toy turned out. It's hard to believe that they've never appeared anywhere, even as a throwaway line in a book ("Pull hard to starboard, Chewie! Cruisemissiles!"

Tycho
05-11-2013, 09:25 AM
In a Dr Frankenstein sort of way the cruise missile trooper is kind of cool. Using biologic minds like clones to make these things is a sick and twisted idea by the Empire

El Chuxter
05-11-2013, 10:14 AM
I don't believe, though, that it was ever stated that the pilots were hard-wired in, aside from the construction of the toy. Luke's not hard-wired into his X-Wing.

(On the other hand, the Geonosians are supposedly hard-wired into their fighters, but I seem to recall the pilot figure being removable.)

Bel-Cam Jos
05-11-2013, 10:14 AM
You guys think I'm kidding about the Cruisemissile Trooper. And, to an extent, I am. But I still think the basic design and function of the ship, as well as the color scheme of the pilot, are quite good, no matter how the execution of the toy turned out. It's hard to believe that they've never appeared anywhere, even as a throwaway line in a book ("Pull hard to starboard, Chewie! Cruisemissiles!"I thought there was an EU story that had them attacking some planet (Coruscant, perhaps?).

El Chuxter
05-11-2013, 10:27 AM
Nope, unless Wookieepedia is uncharacteristically silent about it. Just the toy, and, apparently, a mention in the Insider that they do exist and are canon (despite apparently never being used).

They would've made excellent baddies in the Rogue Squadron games.

JediTricks
05-13-2013, 03:32 PM
What about the POTF2 B'Omarr Monk mail-in? Yeah the sculpt isn't movie accurate, and the paint job wasn't movie accurate (at least when compared to the "slightly more accurate" paint job of the B'Omarr Monk re-release from Saga's Jabba's Denizens multipack). Still, its probably one of the most unusual and unique figures to come from the modern SW toy line (POTF2-Present Day), or any toy line for that matter.I rarely think about that figure right now at all, but when I was packing up a couple years ago I did come across it and think about it for a second. That figure's not terrible, but the sculpt is simple, the paint is hardly a home run, and it's not that posable. I'd say it's an "on the fence" figure from that era because not much is required of it.



Ree Yees is a really nice figure.That was a figure I was originally going to claim on my list, then I remembered that when I came across him during packing the sculpt was soft in some ways and the whole look was very POTF2 with a wide stance and preposed arm and minimal articulation and it just looks kinda boxy overall. Also, the deco isn't that accurate. It's closer than most figures of that era, but it's not in my good graces.

Aunt Beru definitely isn't on my list, if you look at that figure with a modern eye it fails every test IMO.

Motti I wanted to include, but it really has a cartoonish sculpt and the outfit sculpt is very simple, the left arm articulation looks really bad, and the body is very funky in its proportions.

I have a LOT of Pietts from the big clearance sale, he was the only officer for a while, and I can't look at that figure anymore, the boxy body, the simplistic sculpt, that's a figure that is... is... just look at this: http://www.rebelscum.com/photo.asp?image=/potf2/POTF2captainpiettfr.jpg
compared to Needa, one of the newest officers, Piett falls way short:
http://www.rebelscum.com/photo.asp?image=/TLC/Basic/40Needa/TLC-2563.jpg



You guys think I'm kidding about the Cruisemissile Trooper. And, to an extent, I am. But I still think the basic design and function of the ship, as well as the color scheme of the pilot, are quite good, no matter how the execution of the toy turned out. It's hard to believe that they've never appeared anywhere, even as a throwaway line in a book ("Pull hard to starboard, Chewie! Cruisemissiles!"It's a limited concept, how do you have the Cruisemissile Trooper be anything other than a kamikaze pilot? The ship design doesn't really fit SW that well, it's just 2 giant engines and then a pair small guns with the tiniest knife-shaped cockpit. There's no window, the pilot is exposed to the elements, it's a fun toy but a dumb idea in practical terms. The idea that they could punch into the hull of a large ship is ridiculous, and even if they did the pilot would be killed on impact. How do you put that into a story?

Mr. JabbaJohnL
05-13-2013, 03:42 PM
You guys think I'm kidding about the Cruisemissile Trooper. And, to an extent, I am. But I still think the basic design and function of the ship, as well as the color scheme of the pilot, are quite good, no matter how the execution of the toy turned out. It's hard to believe that they've never appeared anywhere, even as a throwaway line in a book ("Pull hard to starboard, Chewie! Cruisemissiles!"

Hmm, I heard they might be making an appearance in a fan film shortly . . . whenever the visuals are tweaked and the audio is edited, that is . . .

El Chuxter
05-13-2013, 10:53 PM
It's a limited concept, how do you have the Cruisemissile Trooper be anything other than a kamikaze pilot? The ship design doesn't really fit SW that well, it's just 2 giant engines and then a pair small guns with the tiniest knife-shaped cockpit. There's no window, the pilot is exposed to the elements, it's a fun toy but a dumb idea in practical terms. The idea that they could punch into the hull of a large ship is ridiculous, and even if they did the pilot would be killed on impact. How do you put that into a story?
I always interpreted it as a semi-atmospheric vessel, roughly equivalent to a standard TIE Fighter. Unlike the TIE, which is restricted to vacuum, the shape and engine type of the Cruisemissile would allow to to be equally useful in atmosphere. Nothing states they ever make impact with a target; the little information that exists says they're mainly used to attack Rebel bases (which would usually be on a planet). Since nothing says one way or the other, I figured the opening cockpit was mostly a play feature and the Troopers would only actually open the cockpit at the slowest speeds.


Hmm, I heard they might be making an appearance in a fan film shortly . . . whenever the visuals are tweaked and the audio is edited, that is . . .
I heard someone was too lazy to do it. :p

Tycho
05-14-2013, 12:13 AM
The packaging Hasbro issued had something about the trooper pilot being just a disembodied head.

Now one could be kept alive long enough to fly a kamikazee mission.

I personally wouldn't like to see this in any further version of Star Wars lore unless they were writing some kind of scify horror episode - like some cruise missile trooper gaining consciousness of an actual identity and wanting to become someone more than who they were.

Clone Wars did that with one Clone Trooper deserter that Rex met up with. However, if would be harder for a disembodied head on life-support in a cruise missile to try and make a life for themselves.

The premise starts off ridiculous (in my opinion) and Chux and also Slicker like to utilize the toy for the punchline of a joke around here. And they make me laugh at their comments (a lot of the time - not always, as it can become too repetitive). However, the more ridiculous it might be, the more really creative story writing might turn the concept around into a really good narrative idea.

El Chuxter
05-14-2013, 07:49 AM
The packaging Hasbro issued had something about the trooper pilot being just a disembodied head.
No, it didn't. (http://www.attoycity.com/771-2591-thickbox/star-wars-cruisemissile-trooper-s-starfighter.jpg)

And, even if it did, that would make the toy inaccurate, since that figure had at least arms and a torso.

Tycho
05-15-2013, 03:09 AM
Hmmm. Good pic there Chuxter.

Maybe the Cruisemissile Trooper is not as ridiculous a concept as I'd previously thought.

It's almost built around the chasis basis for a V-wing.

There should have been a canopy over the pilot's head on the toy however. Or was there?

The vehicle should also have been just a little larger.

And they should have possibly renamed it since it wasn't exactly a cruise missile but the terminology was probably popular as this was made for the line 5 years after the Gulf War, thus designed as a toy even earlier to the date of Desert Storm.

Bel-Cam Jos
05-28-2013, 02:30 PM
You all inspired me to reinvest in my local community, specifically a relatively-new comics/toys shop... sorry the Kit is grinless. :D And none of them will remain MIMP; mainly because the packages aren't mint.

JediTricks
05-28-2013, 03:07 PM
I always interpreted it as a semi-atmospheric vessel, roughly equivalent to a standard TIE Fighter. Unlike the TIE, which is restricted to vacuum, the shape and engine type of the Cruisemissile would allow to to be equally useful in atmosphere. Nothing states they ever make impact with a target; the little information that exists says they're mainly used to attack Rebel bases (which would usually be on a planet). Since nothing says one way or the other, I figured the opening cockpit was mostly a play feature and the Troopers would only actually open the cockpit at the slowest speeds.The Cruisemissile would be a nightmare to take into atmosphere, even if we assume the underside plates seal fully (they don't on the toy), the pilot would be buffeted into jam if he wasn't cooked alive. As for making impact, that's what a cruisemissile does, it's a long-range, high-speed, guided impact weapon.


The only way the ship could operate at slow speeds would be to open its wings, and then the pilot has no information displays, and his chest is exposed to the enemy.



There should have been a canopy over the pilot's head on the toy however. Or was there?No, there's a bulkhead with an air ram on it that closes over him when it's closed, and his helmet is his only protection when it's open. The control surfaces and targeting systems are built into the insides of the wings which face the pilot when closed as a protective shell, which isn't a very good Star Wars concept: virtualized cockpits don't appear in the saga.