View Full Version : Ben Afleck In Batman vs Superman

08-23-2013, 04:22 AM
Well how do you feel about the casting so far?

The movie is heavily skewed towards Superman's character.

Where is Alfred, Commissioner Gordon?

How about Catwoman?

They could recast the Joker now since this is not a Nolan universe movie.

08-23-2013, 01:36 PM
Should be "Ben Affleck vs talent" because that's the number one problem with Affleck, his talent isn't acting, it's playing Ben Affleck. This news was basically the death of Warner Bros/DC to me, this is a clear casting decision made on box office draw (chiefly overseas draw, no less) with no thought to the integrity of the project. "Ben Affleck Daredevil" was the character he played, it was Ben Affleck in a red costume, and he said he regretted the superhero costume severely. Henry Cavill's Superman was a poorly-realized character, but it wasn't due to his acting ability, it was due to a flawed script, he committed to what the script and the director asked of him entirely. How is that going to mesh with Ben Affleck Batman? Are they going to have Batman play a character in his 30s with a doofy grin on his face, or are they going to try to make him play an older, harder Batman... with a goofy grin on his face? This just bodes so poorly I want to go back to bed and wake back up and start my day over again without this news (which I got in email first from my own mother, whose email subject was "ben affleck is NOT batman").

Bottom line, go jump in a lake WB/DC, you've buried your brand under all the wrong choices and it's time for me to walk entirely, I grew up on DC over Marvel, Teen Titans and The Dark Knight Returns and CoIE and on and on, all that, but every choice the last few years has been a massive blunder and now you show your true colors, those of an ineffectual buffoon trying to scrape dollars out of the general audience's wallets with no thought to integrity whatsoever.

El Chuxter
08-23-2013, 02:34 PM


I'm scratching my head over this. It seems to be bad casting... but, then, whoever thought the goofy security guard from Jay & Silent Bob Strike Back could play such a good Batman? I'll withhold judgment (though, truth be told, even Batman probably won't get me to a theater to watch Murderer Superman II: Now With More Angst).

Darth Metalmute
08-23-2013, 07:25 PM
The good news is, I can still watch Kevin Conroy bring brilliance to the Batman role on Netflix.

Bel-Cam Jos
08-23-2013, 08:14 PM
But what if Jennifer Gardner plays Catwoman, Matt Damon is Tweedle Dee, and J-Lo is Poison Ivy?

Uh, not any different?

08-23-2013, 08:32 PM
And meanwhile..... everyone at Marvel is doing the happy dance as DC manages to screw up another film.

08-23-2013, 09:44 PM
Hold on. was the latest Wolverine movie good?

I haven't seen it yet.

El Chuxter
08-23-2013, 10:53 PM
Not sure, but it wasn't done in-house at Marvel. The bad Marvel movies have been by third-parties. DC/WB is doing a fine job of botching their own properties.

08-24-2013, 12:41 AM
I have always been a DC person. Superman, Batman and Robin, Green Lantern, the Flash, the Super Friends, Justice League. Marvel never registered with me, though I enjoyed the X-Men and first Spider-Man films, but ever since Iron Man, it has been astonishing to watch how badly DC has managed its properties in comparison to Marvel. DC has, in my opinion, the more recognized and valuable properties in Superman and Batman, and yet it is misfire after misfire. Superman Returns. Green Lantern. The Nolan films are a clear exception, but that is in part because Nolan tried to have a gritty realism separate and apart completely from the larger DC Universe. Bale's Batman simply can't exist with the other Justice League members. But now for the first time ever they were going to have Superman and Batman together in a live action film on the big screen, and they were even quoting lines from the Dark Knight Returns from Comic Con to set the tone for it. They are coming off of the highly successful profitable and acclaimed Nolan films, that repaired Batman's image in the public persona after the Kilmer-Clooney years. And so they cast Ben Affleck. Daredevil. A person that would have been miscast had he come right after George Clooney, let alone after Christian Bale.

I admit that I thought Robert Downey Jr. was a miscast for Iron Man but was delighted, but I had never seen Iron Man anywhere except in a comic book. I had no expectations. Most people did not know who Iron Man was, had never seen anyone else play Iron Man, and could not have told you who his secret identity was. Marvel really was writing on a blank page. People have VERY clear expectations of what Batman is.

The studios cannot possibly be so stupid to be surprised by people hating this idea. What is clear is that they do not care. Someone involved in the production likes Ben Affleck personally or has their "vision' so shoved up their groupthink that they think they can either win over the public or think it will be a blockbuster no matter what so who cares what people think? And they're probably right. This movie will make the same amount of money no matter who plays Batman, but wouldn't it be nice if the people making it cared? If they wanted to make the best superhero movie they could?

This feels so post modern to me. To actually see one of Kevin Smith's gang step into the boots of one of the most well known super heroes will pull me out of the film completely. No matter what they do. What they film. Or even if Ben Affleck did a great job. Because it won't be Batman. It won't be Bruce Wayne. It will be Ben Affleck. And if he smiles, for any reason, in the film, will anyone see anything but Ben Affleck?

With a well known property of this magnitude the star should not outshine the property itself. Robert Downey, Jr. can thrust a lesser known property into the public consciousness. Marlon Brando or Anthony Hopkins can provide a level of class or seriousness to what other people might have at first dismissed as hokey. Their credibility can be lent to a project. But Batman is at one of his most popular times - he did not need Ben Affleck. Do they think Affleck is their Robert Downey, Jr.? Is that why he was cast?

I have passed on a lot of films, Star Trek reboots, Indy 4. I cannot see how I will see this movie. I cannot see how I could care about anything DC puts out with this having happened. I disliked Man of Steel, but was perfectly willing to see another movie with that cast and in that universe. But not with Ben Affleck.

08-24-2013, 10:36 AM
Wow, Ben Affleck as Batman? That flushing sound was all of my hopes for this movie going down the drain.

Bel-Cam Jos
08-24-2013, 10:48 AM
Batman was always two individuals to me: the Dark Knight and Bruce Wayne. Some actors can pull off the super hero. Some can pull off the billionaire. Not too many could handle both. Michael Keaton: Bruce was better. Val Kilmer: better Batman. George Clooney: Bruce. Christian Bale: both, IMHO. Adam West: gets a pass, stamped "campy" all over it. I think Afleck would be a decent Bruce Wayne only, but his portrayal of the Penguin, Howard the Duck, or Darkwing Duck would've been a stronger casting (at least with G. Godfried as voice-over talent).

El Chuxter
08-24-2013, 11:20 AM
Reading the latest news from DC, this is all clearly a smoke screen. They threw this out to distract all the nerds so that they wouldn't be lynched when the news about the new effeminate Lobo hit. I've never wished death upon someone in the entertainment industry, but, hey, I guess there are enough deranged Lobo fans who are really ****ed off to wish death upon the DC editorial staff themselves so I don't have to worry about it.

El Chuxter
02-20-2015, 09:59 PM
The first official picture of Jason Momoa as Aquaman was released today.

It looks really quite cool. Zack Snyder has created the most faithful film version of a superhero yet. Unfortunately, it looks absolutely nothing like Aquaman, but more like a Marvel character that I thought of when the casting was announced, thinking Momoa would've been better for him in the first place.

Because, really, you show that picture to any comic fan (without any context, and imagining this person knows nothing of the casting), and he or she is going to say, "Holy crap, they're making a Namor movie?"

I can't wait to hear the response from Marvel. I'm hoping it's appropriately snarky.

02-21-2015, 02:15 AM
I just looked at it, and really would have preferred I not bothered. First impression: it's awful. The armor tattoos, the grizzled black hair, the stupid "Jason Momoa only does one face and this is it" face, everything. This looks like a rejected costume from Snyder's wet-dream fanfic crossing 300 with Watchmen. And that opinion is from someone who doesn't have a dog in the fight, neither likes or dislikes Aquaman, he's alright but middle of the road in my book, take him or leave him.

As for it looking like Namor? Not even remotely. He's not a cross of lithe and lanky, he's not pointy-eared, he's not anything like Namor except he has dark hair.

02-21-2015, 10:35 AM
I, too, saw the photo of Aqua-Drogo. Jason Momoa was an intriguing casting choice, when I first read that he'd be Aquaman. I was pretty certain that he wouldn't be a Baywatchy blonde fish whisperer. He looks really barbaric, which I suppose fits in with the ultra-destructive nature of this DC film universe. I can't really imagine that a green and gold costume would translate very well to film or to practicality, so I figured there would be a dramatic change to his visualization. Maybe he's playing Orm, the Ocean Master, and not his half brother Arthur Curry. Also, as I read somewhere else, how can anyone actually swim with that trident?

El Chuxter
02-21-2015, 11:50 AM
JT, you don't think he's more like Jae Lee's take on Namor than any Aquaman ever?

02-21-2015, 12:38 PM
I remember Jae Lee's run. It came right after Byrne revamped the character, if I remember correctly.

02-21-2015, 12:51 PM
JT, you don't think he's more like Jae Lee's take on Namor than any Aquaman ever?
28555Eh, I guess because of the crazy hair and the physique, but not the likeness or armor, and that likeness is only a few years in the '90s, right?

El Chuxter
02-21-2015, 05:18 PM
True. But the closest Aquaman has ever had to that look was even shorter-lived.

Bel-Cam Jos
02-22-2015, 09:58 AM
The first official picture of Jason Momoa as Aquaman was released today.

I can't wait to hear the response from Marvel. I'm hoping it's appropriately snarky.I saw a zombie. Rob Zombie, in that pic. :burnthroughtheseawitches:

If it's sea-based, how about a Snorky response?

As for Namor, first time I heard a Brazilian soccer match a couple World Cups back, this is who was there:

El Chuxter
04-17-2015, 12:20 PM


This looks like a steaming pile of angst.

I'm keeping my hopes for Star Wars low. But this "Batman" vs "Superman" film seriously looks like crap.

04-17-2015, 04:29 PM
Yikes. It's like they were trying too hard to avoid matching the tone of the Marvel films and ended up going too dark and depressing.

04-19-2015, 10:32 AM
Yikes. It's like they were trying too hard to avoid matching the tone of the Marvel films and ended up going too dark and depressing.

I agree with this analysis and I'll add that, while I understand the concept wanting to be different from a competitor, Marvel's aesthetic formula is a thoroughly proven winner - using less well-known characters than DC possesses. Why not embrace a lighter tone and go forward with characters, not characters. As much as I love Frank Miller's Dark Knight Returns comic from nearly 30 years ago, its misplaced influence where the studio feels inextricably beholden to that tone has ruined most DC movies since then.

El Chuxter
04-19-2015, 06:51 PM
The best non-comic stuff from DC in the last decade have been The Brave and the Bold and Teen Titans Go. (Batman Begins was over ten years ago, right?) How they can't see that everything doesn't have to be Watchmen's darker brother is beyond me. I'd be first in line to see an Aquaman movie akin to his B&TB characterization.

05-07-2015, 01:57 PM
Because Warner Bros. doesn't have a clear understanding of the DC material, and DC is no longer DC Comics but now this Los Angeles firm meant to sell toys and tv shows and merch and movies who also makes comic books, so they just go with whatever seems trendy to get them to make the same kind of money that Marvel is making.

05-08-2015, 03:33 AM
DC TV is the best there is!

I cancelled and deleted the Marvel Agents of SHIELD on my DVR. The shows would collect until I was 7 episodes behind sometimes.

(Agent Carter was good, but then I love historical fiction.)

But I watch Gotham, Flash, and my personal favorite: Arrow almost immediately after it records, or while it is recording if I can't wait.

Marvel's X-men, Spider-Man, Ironman, and Hulk movies have been better than DC's until Nolan's Batman and Man of Steel came along.

I love darkness, and heroes forced to do immoral things by their circumstances (also why I like Optimus Prime as a killer).

But I have high hopes that Suicide Squad will also be really enjoyable.

From new trailer stuff I've seen, Ben Affleck, a long time Batman fan, is going to do just fine and dedicated himself to the character.

Michael Keaton was still my favorite Bruce / Batman, and Christian Bale did a great job (especially in Dark Knight Rises).

But I'd want Tom Welling (Smallville) as Superman in an ideal cast. Also Michael Rosenbaum as Lex Luthor, or Kevin Spacey. Once upon a time there were rumors that Bryan Cranston would be offered the role. Another good choice.

Lord Malakite
05-08-2015, 01:25 PM
Once upon a time there were rumors that Bryan Cranston would be offered the role. Another good choice.

Indeed. It also wouldn't be the first time he has played the villain role (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZSjwnX87YY) on a superhero show (https://youtu.be/4MQ0rDcZAtw?t=1m15s). :D

05-08-2015, 01:52 PM
DC is getting more tv in their shared universe next season, on CBS is Supergirl which will take place in the Arrow/Flash universe, and the CW just yesterday green-lit "DC's Legends of Tomorrow" with a ton of characters from Arrow and The Flash plus more. That's a lot of TV, too bad their movies are all gonna suck.

Meanwhile, Agents of SNORE and Agent Carter got renewed, while the Agents of SHIELD spinoff didn't get picked up.

El Chuxter
05-08-2015, 03:12 PM
Aren't the DC shows set in multiple universes, though? All of which are distinct from the DCCU, Shazam, and possibly Suicide Squad?

05-08-2015, 05:14 PM
Aren't the DC shows set in multiple universes, though? All of which are distinct from the DCCU, Shazam, and possibly Suicide Squad? The dc tv universe is a shared universe starting with Arrow, so you have Arrow, The Flash, Supergirl, and now DC's Legends of Tomorrow in a single universe. But Gotham isn't, Constantine isn't, and the movies are a separate shared universe from tv.

El Chuxter
05-08-2015, 07:00 PM
I thought I'd read somewhere that Supergirl was in a separate universe from Arrow/Flash/LoT, and that the greenlit-but-may-or-may-not-be-made Teen Titans live action was another, which are all separate from Gotham because it's icky and goofy and they don't want to be associated with it.

They should just make a live action Teen Titans Go.

05-08-2015, 11:36 PM
If I remember correctly, Supergirl is being show-run by the same team that does Arrow and Flash and will for Legends of Tomorrow. I really enjoy the Flash show, which is the best representation of Peter Parker I've seen. I can't watch Arrow and I've tried. Gotham has moments, but I've missed several episodes and not missed them. Teen Titans, I thought, was supposed to be in the same universe as the CW shows, but I haven't heard anymore about that in months.

05-15-2015, 01:41 PM
Supergirl trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lm46-envrHo
DC's Legends of Tomorrow trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MubNoWQiSc

Supergirl has been picked up and it looks horrendous from the trailer, it's got a The Devil Wears Prada vibe and romcom elements, a lot of folks are comparing it to that Black Widow parody trailer on SNL a couple weeks back and sadly that's a fair comparison.

Arrow renewed, Flash renewed, DC's Legends of Tomorrow officially picked up with == Sara Lance having been raised from the dead via the Lazarus pit and now going by "White Canary" (this is all in the trailer)==

Supergirl is supposed to be in the same universe as Arrow, Flash, and Legends of Tomorrow. She refers to her cousin, Superman, but I don't know if it's made clear that she's referring to the Man of Steel one or a TV-verse one.

"Titans" apparently may attempt to be connected to the TV-verse as well, but I won't be surprised if that ends up not happening given their referring to having a drug addict on the team and yet also true to the comic, where Speedy wasn't a girl. So nobody outside of WB knows yet.

Oh Constantine, get back on air and cross over with Arrow!