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stillakid
08-27-2001, 10:29 PM
I'm kind of hoping to see a new Death Star playset at some point.

If you're familiar with the vintage one, I've got something in mind that is essentially four of those that link together in the middle, like a pie, and have rounded exterior panels. The idea being that when you put it all together, it looks like a ball from the outside.

Sure, it might run on the pricey side, but couldn't possibly be more than $80. The AT AT's did fairly well at that price and from what I can tell, just about everybody who wanted the Queen's ship bought it. The sheer "coolness" of this new Death Star would attract kids and collectors alike. It could even integrate the different rooms from ANH and ROTJ in the same toy to maximize it's playability.

Imagine the top with the Emperor's chair out of the Cinema scene (see, pieces of it are already molded so that reduces some cost right there!). The middle has the classic retracting bridge.

In there somewhere is the tractor beam control.

Don't forget the garbage chute coming off the second floor detention block hallway leading to the compactor at the bottom.

I'm all giddy just thinkin' about it. Who wouldn't buy this?! You'd have to be nuts.

What do you say Hasbro? I'll even help draw up the plans to get it going...

bigbarada
08-27-2001, 10:33 PM
I would definitely buy this! I used to have the big vintage Death Star Playset and it was the coolest toy I ever remember owning!

I like the idea of Star Wars sections and ROTJ sections, that would definitely add booku play value.

Obi-Don
08-28-2001, 08:17 AM
Never had one ,but would buy one if the price wasn't to high.

Rollo Tomassi
08-28-2001, 08:37 AM
I was thinking about this one for a lloooong time when I was on my "Sectional Playsets" Kick.

My Idea was a Docking Bay "frame" playset big enough to hold a Falcon and the smaller sets would inter-connect around the outside of it. The price point got so high, I had to leave it alone.

JEDIpartner
08-28-2001, 09:04 AM
I still have my vintage DS and it's in mint condition! I was a careful little kid... MAN! I'm glad I was, too!

I still love that thing!

I used it for my ROTJ adventures, too... I just removed the cannon and used the Cannon's chair as the Emperor's throne... it was good enough for me! :D

JediCole
08-28-2001, 10:45 AM
As long as Hasbro does not include exclusive figures to force us to buy the Death Star, I am all for a new DS playset (or sets). Kenner/Hasbro has already illustrated a penchant for making multiple use playsets as seen with the oft-recycled Batman Wayne Manor playset used for Batman, Batman Returns, and possibly even Batman Forever, as well as (if I am not mistaken) Gargoyles. I like the idea of the Emperor's throne being included, but would rather see a deluxe Emperor with throne that is not permanantly attached to a Cinema Scenes base. The throne should never have had the base permanantly attached as it were, it should have been a stand alone with a peg hole in the bottom so it could be displayed independant of the floor panel.

Like many others here I have a vintage Death Star (it is one of the hallmarks of my vintage collection) and it would be nice for contemporary collectors to have such a well thought out piece. I even have a pair of trash monsters swimming in my foam garbage.

stillakid
08-28-2001, 04:38 PM
Originally posted by JEDIpartnr
I still have my vintage DS and it's in mint condition! I was a careful little kid... MAN! I'm glad I was, too!

I still love that thing!

I used it for my ROTJ adventures, too... I just removed the cannon and used the Cannon's chair as the Emperor's throne... it was good enough for me! :D


I tried to do that but couldn't figure out how to remove the chair from the flat thing without breaking both? How to please?

The top floor isn't flat when you take off the gun. Is that right? How do you get around that?

Jargo
08-28-2001, 07:57 PM
stillakid, I just took the throne off the base by using a saw blade for my exacto knife which cuts through the plastic a treat.

Start with a hacksaw. A fine blade will take off most of the baseplate in one chunk and then with patience, using the smaller exacto saw blade, carefully saw around the seat base in little increments.
Actually I cheated first and snapped one of the retaining lugs off the the underneath of the seat base, so that I could prise out the seat and concentrate, without damaging the shiney surface.

Once you've cut a rough circle a couple of millimeters all round the base, stop and begin filing the remaining plastic scruffy edges with a fine flat metal file you can probably find in a hobby store or a good hardware store. The fineness of the file and the size means that it will take a while to smooth off the edges but the result looks something like this....

stillakid
08-28-2001, 10:39 PM
Cool thanks. What about the third floor underneath the gun?

evenflow
08-29-2001, 08:50 AM
I would buy this in a heart beat, but I just want it more detailed than the 70's version. The must for me would have to be :

A complete Trash Compactor. It would have to be filled with all parts, and trash, wires, tubes, pipes, and everything else. Another important part, vital part, is the Trash Compactor Monster. It should have some detail and color to it, just not a peice of plastic. I would also like to see the wall being able to close in as well. Still, the monster is the MUST!!!!

Lobito
08-29-2001, 07:01 PM
Lets see, ANH Death star accesories made:

Cinema scene 3 Pack (Han, Luke and Chewie), Death Star Chasm, Death star Escape, FX Obi wan and Darth.


ROTJ: Cinema scene 3 pack (Luke, Darth and the emperor), FX Luke and FX Emperor.

Now all we need is a place to fit together all these things.

Im thinking of a resculpt of the vintage Death star, with a diorama ala Jabba's Palace or Cantina. The diorama would be huge, so that we can put the Falcon and in a not so distant future the Imperial shuttle.

Now if a Toy company has reputation of making cool playsets thats hasbro. Remember the USS Carrier from the G.I. Joe line??

Come on hasbro we would buy it!!!! Even if its made in parts.

stillakid
08-29-2001, 07:17 PM
Definitely, a separate hangar bay that could connect to the main Death Star playset would be extremely cool. It would be too much to ask for a neon lighted opening, but some kind of glow would be necessary. Removable star backdrop to put in the opening. Polished-look floor, maybe even with pegs everywhere to stand the guys up. Working blast door with corridor for Vader and Ben's fight. Little control room overlooking the whole thing for 3PO and R2. Make it connectable to the other Cinema Scenes and the DS playset to come.

Darth Cruel
08-30-2001, 01:00 AM
Lobito got my thought out. Make it sectional. And make lots of sections.

stillakid
08-30-2001, 10:15 AM
Well, there are 4 wedge shaped sections that go together to make a "ball." If you want a bunch of rooms put together apartment style, that's a whole other thing. As I said in the Star Destroyer post, kids and parents are more likely to buy pricey toys if they look more like what they saw in the movies rather than generic plastic walls.

JEDIpartner
08-30-2001, 11:02 AM
Hold on guys!

You are getting WAY out of hand with these designs! I mean, yeah, while it would be cool to have all of this stuff you are looking at a playset that would have to measure about 3.5' high and 3' x 3' just for the landing bay! That's a huge box! Now add all of that stuff in that you are asking for and you've got another piece that will eventually measure at least 2' wide and 3' long with a 3.5' height to match the landing bay.

This kinda thing exists more on a "build-it-yourself" scale. I'm sure it can be done... but keeping it simple would make this a more likely piece for Hasbro to produce.

Yeah... I'd LOVE to see something on this scale, but I don't think it will ever happen.

stillakid
08-30-2001, 11:16 AM
Yeah, the landing bay thing won't work in the ball design and the playability of an independent hangar bay really isn't there, so that's why I think that the wedge concept would be within production and financial parameters.

Rollo Tomassi
08-31-2001, 10:03 AM
Originally posted by JEDIpartnr
You are getting WAY out of hand with these designs! I mean, yeah, while it would be cool to have all of this stuff you are looking at a playset that would have to measure about 3.5' high and 3' x 3' just for the landing bay! That's a huge box! Now add all of that stuff in that you are asking for and you've got another piece that will eventually measure at least 2' wide and 3' long with a 3.5' height to match the landing bay.





The way I imagined it would be the floor area (possibly broken up into sections because of that huge pit in the middle and the hangar bay door on one side (which is mostly empty space.) This would keep the size of the packaging down. The other three sides of the hangar play set are "empty" Just columns at the two corners to conect the smaller playsets to. Then, when you buy the smaller playsets, they form the "walls" of the hangar on the three sides without the hangar bay doors. The columns and hangar bay door frames at the four corners of the dockng bay would be large enough to have two levels or "floors" connect to them, so on one side you could have the detention block on the "upper" floor and the trash compactor on the "lower" floor. On the other side you could have the hangar bay control room (the red room) on the "upper" level and a generic control room on the "lower" level. Across from the hangar doors, you could have the Obi Wan/Vader duel area with sliding doors, and on the "upper" level you could have Han dive the "blast doors" playset or Luke and leia swing across the chasm. Other sets could include Tractor Beam shutdown and Death Star Gunner Station plus generic hallways and elevator shafts at the corners to connect it all. It would be pretty big when you put it all together and the price point would kill a normal man ($50 minimum for the initial hangar set and $20-30 to have decent subsets that we wouldn't groan at how cheaply they were made.) After awhile you are getting up in the $300 range for a playset and Hasbro would never go for that, so I set it aside...

JEDIpartner
08-31-2001, 10:11 AM
When I said "box" I meant the overall size of the landing bay would be a huge box.

The cost for a completed set would be enormous and so would the piece itself. I don't know anyone who has that much room to house all of that!

I'm sure someone would, but the majority would not. I think I'll leave this one up to the guy building the Tantive!!!

stillakid
08-31-2001, 10:37 AM
I suggested the "playset in a ship" design because it was cool and also because Hasbro has no precedent of producing multiple sections of a playset that really fit together in the way everyone is talking about. It just isn't ever going to happen that way. I don't think that they trust that releasing that many pieces of a bigger whole would ever attract enough consumers to make it worthwhile. People do buy ships and figures. That's the bottom line. Scale is something collectors have to work on in their garage.

Rollo Tomassi
09-02-2001, 04:24 PM
"There is never a precedent for anything until it happens. And then there is a precedent for it...."

Just because Hasbro has never made sectional playsets doesn't mean they won't in the future. There was never a precedent for 2 figures in a pack, either, but we've since gotten Ugnaughts, Jawas, Ewoks, podracer/Pit droids, and Pit Droids, not to mention The band members and Leia Collections and the 25th anniversary editions on the way. there was never a precedent for exclusive figures with vehicles, but now it's standard. I think the idea of breaking a playset/shipset into parts is more cost effective and safer for Hasbro than putting a $150 Death Star playset out there and hopeing parents will spring for it for their kids. Any cheaper than that and you risk having a crappy playset that everyone will be dissappointed in. If it's in sections people can buy the sections they really like and die hard collectors can purchase all of the sets and get rewarded with a nifty all-emcompassing diorama/playset that doesn't reek of being cheaply made.

"You get what you pay for..."

stillakid
09-02-2001, 05:14 PM
I'll buy that, so to speak. Either way I'd be happy.

The look of the individual pieces is cause for concern though. I'm not sure how you could design a multi-use playset that also doubles as a puzzle piece that doesn't look absolutely goofy as a stand alone. Little kids will look at it and have no idea what it is supposed to be unless they can read the little description on the box. Seeing a fully armed and operational :) round Death Star that opens up to be a full on playset is nearly guaranteed to catch everyone's eye.

The same goes for the preposed Star Destroyer. I can't even imagine what those pieces would look like in individual boxes. Strange little four walled rooms with a slanted roof. Certainly nothing that a parent would be willing to spend $20+ dollars for.

There is also the issue of pricing. Just like a hacked up car, you know that Hasbro would price the total cost of individual pieces to be much more than pricing the thing out as a whole. Parents can be very savvy when seeing the big picture and might feel a rip-off scheme coming on. Toss in the possiblity that availablity of all the pieces might not be there and a large percentage of potential buyers will just pass on the whole thing.

Yeah, high prices on any toy keep people away. I just saw a legion of 12" Dewback/Stormtroopers at the local Toys R Us. Is that because of the $80 price tag? Hell yes. Why? Look what you're getting for $80 bucks. Not much really. However, toys that look like spaceships, that open up into hours of fun playsets have much more built in value than a big dinosaur with it's $20 rider.

After all is said and done, one piece ships are the way to go for everyone.

Obi-Dan Kenobi
09-03-2001, 01:58 PM
Actually, there is sort of a precedent.....

Back in the last year or so of the ESB line, Kenner introduced the Micro Collection, years before Micro Machines came out. The playsets connected to form a larger world. Many of these sets were superior to the later MM versions. I'm sure most of you remember them. If not, head over to the Action Figure Archive (URL anyone?), where there are lots of pictures of the existing sets as well as unproduced prototypes (Bespin Torture Chamber, Bacta Tank). Anyway, the recent POTJ Bespin Freezing Chamber is very similar to the old Micro Collection set. I'm thinking it wouldn't be too tough to make a Control Room/Gantry Playset that connects to it. Why not a couple of DEath Star Playsets like to old Micro Collection ones? Two or three sets that contain blast doors, a Detention Blocck, Trash Compactor, Gunner Station, etc.... Even if they didn't form a huge round whole, it would still be cool.

Rollo Tomassi
09-05-2001, 03:59 PM
Exactly Obi Dan!!! Back when I originally started my sectional kick, that was what made me think of it. Micro playsets reimagined for the 4" line...of course, the Micro playsets weren't a huge hit...




(oh boy.)

stillakid
09-05-2001, 04:13 PM
While cool in it's own right, I don't think that connecting playsets are all that practical for the 3" line of figures. Theoretically, once you had all, what, like 10 sections or something, you'd need a designated area in your home to set it all up -- something akin to the train set at Christmas time. Most people have trouble storing their stuff, much less finding a place for a huge play area.

The positive benefit of an all-in-one playset is the multi-use function of it in a nice convenient and recognizable format. If you're looking to build a diorama, then I'll understand the dissension that I've heard toward this and the Star Destroyer. But Hasbro's theory, I suppose, has been to create a market for kids who play with their toys. If you want pretty diorama displays, your best hope will be arts and crafts at home. I truly believe that the collective energy is better spent toward goals which have a (remote) possibility of being achieved.

Obi-Dan Kenobi
09-06-2001, 02:00 AM
I don't know, I don't see too many $100-and-up action figure playsets in the toy aisles. I'll admit, I don't collect much outside of Star Wars. I do think, however, that if Hasbro is willing to do things like the Theed playsets, Endor playset, and Hoth playset, not to mention the recent Freezing Chamber, then a couple of twenty-to-thirty dollar playsets have a much better chance of making it to store shelves than a huge, expensive, all-in-one playset. And it really would only take two or three playsets to represent the Death Star, or Bespin, or Jabba's Palace. It wouldn't take up much more room than an all-in-one playset would. If you look at the old Micro Collection Playsets as an example, I don't see how you could think that kids wouldn't know what they're getting, provided they've seen the movie. Regarding ship-playsets, Millenium Falcons and Royal Starships ("playsets-in-ships") sat or continue to sit on shelves, even at clearence. (Of course, so did the Theed sets, but that hangar set really sucked.) As for the idea of a huge Death Star hangar, I personally don't even want it, and it seems even more unlikely than four huge sections of a ball-shaped Death Star. I think a smaller scale of playsets that can connect is the way to go. I'd also be fine with a Star Destroyer Bridge and Meditation Chamber set that made no attempt to resemble the outside of the craft. They'd have to make it ten times better than the old one, of course.

stillakid
09-06-2001, 10:38 AM
Originally posted by Obi-Dan Kenobi
They'd have to make it ten times better than the old one, of course.

I'm thinking that maybe this is what I see as the bigger problem. I don't have a lot of faith in a highly detailed, high quality playset like you're talking about. Hasbro doesn't have the track record to prove that it would happen. If a separate Meditation Chamber, Bridge, Garbage Compactor, or Hangar Bay ever did come out, I forsee hours of whining about how it fell short of expectations, etc. The Carbon Freeze Chamber has really been the best effort in years, at least since the old days.

In terms of the stuff sitting on shelves, I'll go back to "value." Any of the Episode I stuff suffered from a less than great film backing it up. Without the groundswell of parental support, kids won't have the funds to pay for much. Our parents were willing to buy the Falcon, Death Star Playset, and AT AT despite the high cost because they liked the movies too. Unfortunately, TPM didn't get this kind of help. Having said that, if parents were to go to the store and see a Death Star or a Star Destroyer on the shelf, they would recognize them and be much more likely to buy them because they come from movies that they know and enjoy. The Queen's Ship doesn't have that recognition quality and so it sits on the shelf.

The Endor set was small and gets the "playset" name by default. There's not much there. The Theed Hangar sets are sparse and it doesn't appear that you're getting your money's worth. Add that to the lack of TPM support and again, you get a shelf warmer. The Detention Block Rescue and Death Star Escape are both interesting but again, there's not much that you can do with them alone. The Rescue is cooler when you can combine it with the vintage Garbage Compactor and the Death Star Escape makes more sense when connected to a bigger Death Star set. Point being, a) they get boring when alone, and b) Hasbro didn't make any of this stuff to connect to a bigger whole and there are no plans on the distant horizon to do so. One big playset is the only practical answer to address the problems of quality, value, and playability.

I had a couple of those old micro collection things and from experience I'll say that nobody bought them because there was absolutely no play value. It really was the first Star Wars Diorama attempt that I can remember. Nice to look at, but just something else to dust.

But, oh well, I guess I'm the only one that wants more and cooler ships and playsets. I'll just be over here playing with my vintage stuff.

bigbarada
09-06-2001, 12:54 PM
While I stand my ground on Ep1, I will agree that the movie just didn't lend itself to high quality inexpensive toys the way the OT did. Plus, I saw many parents refusing to buy their kids Ep1 toys based on their dislike of the movie.

Hasbro needs to realize OT stuff is different in the eyes of the SW fan. You present us with a $100 Queen's Royal Starship and we respond with, "Eh, maybe, if I can afford it." You present us with a $100 Star Destroyer and we say, "Crap, how much blood am I going to have to sell for this one?" or "I'll just hide my car at a friend's house so the repo man can't find it, but I MUST have that toy!"

Personally I would be happy with a re-released vintage DS playset if the alternative is nothing at all.

Rollo Tomassi
03-21-2002, 02:39 PM
Hey Hasbro! remember this one? Anything happening over there at Hasbro HQ? huh?