View Full Version : If Stormtroopers are clones, then what are the officers... ?
03-28-2002, 11:05 AM
The guys in black suits, the Deathstar troopers, Admiral Piet... etc...
I thought the officers were from promoted ranks from the stormtroopers squads... ???
GL is making things confusing now... :confused:
03-28-2002, 11:19 AM
perhaps they do NOT promote the troopers. Perhaps they recruit non-clones for their indiviuality to become officers. Other than this, I have no clue. Is the promoting Stormtroopers to Officers some EU thing? No one's ever said that in the films.
03-28-2002, 11:47 AM
It hasn't been said or at least proven that Stormtroopers ARE clones, just the Clone Troopers. Granted some clones could be left over which could become some of the earlier Stormtroopers but Stormtroopers are recruited at the Imperial Academy. For some reason no one's come up with a theory that TIE Pilots ALSO could be clones even though we never see them out of uniform but obviously there is evidence that they're not because that is where Rebel Pilots got alot of their training - at the Imperial Academy.
03-28-2002, 11:50 AM
yeah thats why i always joke around with my friends about how the academy must not be very good if they aim like that
03-28-2002, 12:42 PM
Originally posted by LTBasker
It hasn't been said or at least proven that Stormtroopers ARE clones, just the Clone Troopers. Granted some clones could be left over which could become some of the earlier Stormtroopers but Stormtroopers are recruited at the Imperial Academy.
Exactly, I'm not really convinced that the Stormtroopers are really all clones. Some may be, but I think most are recruits.
For example, Palpatine recieves the power to create a huge clone army to combat the seperatists, because apparently the Old Republic didn't have a centralized army, so they needed to create one quickly. They couldn't recruit and train the enormous number of soldiers needed in that amount of time, so they use clones.
When the full-fledged Empire is in power, they have had several decades to train and equip an Army of stormtroopers, so I don't see why they would still be needing to use clones anymore.
03-29-2002, 12:48 AM
Yeah, the newest question to plague fans. Who's under the mask?
03-29-2002, 12:58 AM
That would be my guess to. At first they need to clone the troopers to get thier or his army up but after the Empire is set up. There are a whole lot of systems to recruit from. And one of my guesses would be that you really don't have much of a say as to weither you serve or not. So I think that later the Empire's army is not clones but people forced into service or who join for a better life and a chance to get a head.Either way "Uncle Vader wants you"
I think the stormtroopers are clones. Leia is aware that they are all of the same height, and Ben refers to them as weak minded. Well, he refers to ONE of them that way. But I take it to mean that clones are weak minded because they are bred to serve. A programmed fighting force indoctrinated from birth is more lethal than an army of citizens, some reluctantly impressed into service.
I think the officers are the "smart" people, regular guys who can manage and lead. Guys who support the idea of a strong central government :)
03-29-2002, 02:30 AM
It's probably both. Mostly clones, but I'm sure Palpatine had "a draft."
I also think they had to change cloning templates and they are all not Jango Fett's clone.
Some are Han Solo's clone. :D
Maybe any clones of BOBA Fett would have a genetic variance different from Jango. A copy of a copy sort of thing...
Anyway, it's just a theory. I Too have been cloned. Are YOU a Clone?
Never can tell these days...:crazed:
03-29-2002, 07:55 AM
My guess at this point would be that the officers we see are former Republic security forces, or during the Empire, humans recruited for that purpose. They are the ones who attend the academy, and whose ranks Biggs would have joined had he not jumped ship. As for the Stormtroopers, they could be clones or a mix of clones and recruits or all recruits. Hopefully, Episode 3 will clarify this issue.
03-29-2002, 10:12 AM
You know what would be funny? in the next movie all the stormtroopers are refered to as "the fett boys". Sorry I just read what I wrote I'll shut up now.:frus:
03-29-2002, 11:21 AM
03-29-2002, 11:57 AM
Originally posted by Caesar
I think the stormtroopers are clones. Leia is aware that they are all of the same height, and Ben refers to them as weak minded.
Well they're not all the same height, you can definitely see that when a bunch are lined up. There is most likely a height limit to Stormtroopers though, because of maybe armor sizes or the intimidating heights and such.
Of course Stormtroopers are weak minded, they follow Palpy. :rolleyes: :p
03-29-2002, 10:13 PM
Newest Star Wars curse word to keep it PG:
"Clone of a Fett!"
Ok, I got nothing.
04-14-2002, 12:06 AM
If the clones from EP2 become Strormtroopers in ANH that would make them roughly 60 years old!!!
But seriously, the EU stuff touched on this a bit. The general idea was that cloning becomes banned and all Stormtroopers are in fact regular Joe's!
They are trained at an academy, and are sometimes promoted up to the officer ranks, but mostly seem to be grunts!
Clones do make their way into EU novels later, around the time of "Specter of the Past". But they seem to disappear again during the NJO series.
04-14-2002, 12:59 AM
Y'know,if the Stormtroopers are clones left over from Episode Two,that would explain how they got beat by the Ewoks.
04-14-2002, 09:27 AM
And why they are such bad shots!
04-14-2002, 12:25 PM
correct me of im wrong, but isn't there a height limit for police officers? i know there is for Jet Pilots and such. but thats the exact opposite, you can't be too tall.
04-14-2002, 01:18 PM
I can't say for Police Officers, but I am in the Army and we do have Min. AND Max. height requirements (as well as weight requirements).
It is a pretty broad range though I work with someone that is 5 foot even and another who is 6 feet 8 inches!!!
04-14-2002, 05:06 PM
Here are a few points I'm interested in receiving responses to:
1. The SW Encyclopaedia mentions that Palpatine's Royal Guards are chosen from an elite group of stormtroopers. If stormtroopers are clones, which I have little doubt they are, who or what guard the new Chancellor-elect? A test batch from Kamino? hmmm.
2. If the technology developed by the Kaminoans to create troop body armour to withstand every conceivable form of attack, then why do we witness in Eps 4-6 the failing of such armour to the least damaging forms of assault, namely sticks, stones and small blaster fire? I'm baffled.
Sith Lord 0498
04-14-2002, 05:14 PM
Maybe the stormtroopers are a mix of recruits and clones. The clones could be used for major operations where the casuality rate is high, and the recruits are better trained (perhaps Palpatine's "entire legion of my best troops" from ROTJ...although they did get beat up by a bunch of teddy bears).
I highly doubt they're the same clones from Episode II. Palpatine probably used another genetic signature to have them created. Keep in mind that the Empire is very vast. Who's to say he hasn't taken Kamino either by force or the Kaminoans gave themselves willingly?
04-14-2002, 06:49 PM
Every shred of EU has stated and or implied that Stormtroopers are NOT clones.
From what I could gather, cloning becomes illegal after the clone wars. Though Palpatine has a few secret projects that involve cloning, it is not widely used later on.
Royal Guards are hand picked from elite Stormtroopers. The graphic novels "Crimson Empire" and "Crimson Empire II: Council of Blood" cover this.
04-14-2002, 07:29 PM
Yes, Palpatine can outlaw Cloning - remember he IS the law after the Clone Wars. But as Emperor, and in secret, you know he will do whatever he pleases. That's why he wanted to become Emperor isn't it?
(that little flower shop back home on Naboo just wasn't enough).
Meanwhile, once there is an Empire, stormtroopers can be drafted, conscripted, enlisted, etc.
Those that were Clones aged naturally or not, or they were eventually all killed in combat. But I'm sure the Cloning factories were secretly operating somewhere.
- and different templates were being used. All the more reason why Han Solo could be a surviving Clone (actually still a 7-9 year old child during the wars).
- and Lando could be a Clone too.
I'm not joking, though yes I do take the heat a lot for my "everybody's a Clone theory." But I do really think that way about Han, and even how to reconcile that with the EU history we know of him (Garis Shrike's slave ship, etc.) It can mesh. You can wind your way through some creative writing exercises and even explain Thrackan Sal-Solo, too.
That's for another thread and I think is in the E2 or E3 spoiler discussions if you're interested.
04-14-2002, 09:29 PM
Tycho, if "everybody's a Clone" then...
oh nevermind. My head hurts!
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