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NesteaFett
04-07-2002, 02:08 PM
Ok, you probably thought something to the effect that I found and watched a bootleg for AOTC. I didn't though. Just curious about something in the future. I remember a few weeks after Episode 1 I bought a bootleg of it. It was perfect quality and widescreen with subtitles in arabic at the bottom. What's a good place to go to, to maybe find an Episode II bootleg after its release. You can PM me if ya want. It's an illegal subject after all

Magnolia-Fan
04-07-2002, 02:47 PM
:Pirate: :Pirate: :Pirate: :Pirate: :Pirate: :Pirate:

You really should'nt admit to participating in illegal activities in a public forum such as this.

Plus, I hope you have since purchased a legitimate copy of Episode 1.

Lord Tenebrous
04-07-2002, 03:27 PM
Ah, the bootlegging question. Episode 1 saw its fair share of digitizing, and just for research, I tried to find it. Within an hour, I had a download secured, on what would be a TPM MPEG with Cambodian subtitles. But I also had a couple dozen other locations with other movies, pictures, and other downloads. It was a virtual playland, but one I didn't abuse.

There is a big difference between physical and digital bootlegging. The buying/selling of stolen product is quite criminal, and can be punished, usually with severe fines. But digital is more lucrative, and how can you destroy a file that's being leeched onto servers across the world. It's a difficult task, one that probably will never be fully realized, because of the lack of copyright laws in other countries who are the prime creators of these bootlegs.

But let's face it. Legitimate copies of the movies are clearer, with a better resolution and enhanced sound quality. There's really no replacement for either a theatre experience, at home or at the cinema.

So you can go a hunt through Chinatown looking for a copy, spend hours looking for a decent digital copy, but my advice is to just go to a matinee, and enjoy the suberb quality that our cinema systems have to offer.

Trust me, with the 2100-2200 CG-enhanced shots in AOTC, it's going to be a movie you don't want to watch at home.

jw_bryant
04-07-2002, 05:31 PM
pirating games and movies is dumb. software however....

JEDIpartner
04-07-2002, 05:53 PM
Yeah... that was the foreign markets Preview Screener VCD. I have a copy of it. I haven't seen anything like this circulating around the web yet. My friend downloaded the whole thing- he had roadrunner, so the download was rather quick.

NesteaFett
04-08-2002, 12:20 AM
It was something to hold me over. I still saw Episode I many times in theatres and yes I did buy the legit video and DVD. The screener like I said was just to keep me busy until they released it, what, twenty years later. Well, it seemed like it. I hear though that they plan to release both VHS and DVD by Christmas or at least the VHS. Anybody else hear this?

Rollo Tomassi
04-08-2002, 08:31 AM
Before Thanksgiving, actually. Although conflicting reports have it in either November or the end of October. Not bad, considering it won't be leaving theatres until July. 90 days from silver screen to TV screen!:D

VHS? Ugh. How quaint.:)

JEDIpartner
04-08-2002, 09:43 AM
Originally posted by Rollo Tomassi
VHS? Ugh. How quaint.:)

Yeah... but you know- some of these studios are going to do what they can to keep the format alive...

you're too funny.

Rollo Tomassi
04-08-2002, 02:40 PM
Originally posted by JEDIpartnr


Yeah... but you know- some of these studios are going to do what they can to keep the format alive...

you're too funny.

I would not put it past George and Rupert to come out with a VHS set that comes with exclusive footage or an exclusive figure or something just to get us to buy both the VHS and DVD versions.

NesteaFett
04-09-2002, 12:39 AM
Yeah, the main thing I hate about the video tapes is the fact that all of my trilogies are worn out. I actually have to buy new copies cuz I've watched them too much and there starting to deteriorate. Hopefully, this problem won't happen with DVD.

Co Jo-Da
04-09-2002, 09:33 PM
I'll wait till the THEATER RELEASE and than buy it in November...

Cubehead
04-11-2002, 07:40 PM
Oh man, every where I went in NYC I saw vedors selling TPM.
I caved in and bought one and you know what? It SUCKED!!

I have friends that are heavily in to this junk and I have to say that I have no patience for bootlegs. I just cannot stand inferior quality presentations.

Jango_in_Germany
05-01-2002, 07:17 AM
how long does anyone think it will take bootleg copies of Episode II to show up on one of the online P2P file swapping sites like winmx, morpheus etc? and would you download it if you could?

my guess...a few days if not hours after the premier, and yes i would.

i also posted this question on the offial site. i'm not advocating bootlegging, i just wanted to know what other fans thought about it and would they d/l the flick if they could.

NesteaFett
05-01-2002, 01:54 PM
I'll be mere moments before a telesynced, I think that's what they call filming from a video camera, version of Episode II is released. However, I think a month or so after will have the Screener copy available.

pthfnder89
05-01-2002, 02:26 PM
I've thought about that a lot since I just got my cable modem hooked up.

Honestly I think that even if I could download a bootleg copy right now, I wouldnt do it. I might want to AFTER I have seen it several times, but I definitely wouldn't want my first screening of it to be a crappy bootleg copy.

I'll be front and center in the nearest Dobly EX enhanced theatre on May 16th!:)

Jargo
05-01-2002, 02:31 PM
Originally posted by JEDIpartnr
Vee Haych Ess
Haych? Surely you mean 'aitch' :rolleyes: Honestly, you silly Americans.... tut tut tut ......... :happy:

JEDIpartner
05-02-2002, 02:37 PM
Don't get me started with your little "ZED" thing across the pond! ;)

DeadEye
05-02-2002, 03:13 PM
A guy at my school can burn bootleg movies onto DVDs before they're even out in theaters, for ten bucks a pop. :Pirate:

He was just selling Minority Report with Tom Cruise, which isn't even out until June. And I saw most of the movie too, it was there.

I'm not approving of this or anything.

And Emperor Jargo, do you change your avatar like 3 times a day???

Jason B
05-03-2002, 07:55 AM
yeah, but a DVD burner costs you $5-$600, but you can get a copy of Nero for free, and burn a VCD. the only problem is, a CD will hold 650-750 megs, but a DVD will hold 4.7-9.4 Gigs. result? much, more can be put on a DVD.

Darth Ovori
05-03-2002, 08:37 AM
In a way I'm against bootleg...
But I admit it that I'm guilty of it...

After watching EI 5 times at the thearters I founded out that it was gonna take 4 months for the video to be released a over a year for the DVD...

Well I downloaded it, burnt it on VCD, and watched it from that untill the video came which I brought... And I also brought the DVD...

Also a year ago I was in South Africa and alot of movies were released after 4 to 8 months from the US release date... And to wait 8 months for movies like Blade, Spawn etc is stupid... cause they'll be available on Amazon.com in Video and DVD formatb at that time...

So if the production studies can't get thier acts togther and promote this attitude in English speaking countries like South Africa and Australia then I can't blame Bottleggers....

BanthaPoodoo
05-03-2002, 09:50 AM
Actually if you own the video already its not illegal. According to the Digital Millennium Copyright act, you are allowed to make 1 copy of whatever it is you own for backup purposes (video games, software, music, movies, etc). Most EULA's say this anyway.......

I own around 4 versions of the original trilogy on VHS. (& I see they just released another one this month :)) I know my VHS isnt going to last forever, so I downloaded ANH & ANH:SE laserdisc rips so that I can have a copy for backup of my VHS.

So, if you dont already own said product in some form, buying or downloading it is a felony. But getting it if you already have it is not.

Bootlegging & getting stuff you dont own already or selling/buying products you dont own is piracy plain & simple. But you can not & will not get hauled off to jail if you own it already.

Jason B
05-03-2002, 01:24 PM
same thing with Emulators and ROM's. as long as you own the game, you can have a "back-up" of it on PC. if you don't, you can keep it for 24 hours. :-|

BanthaPoodoo
05-03-2002, 02:30 PM
same thing with Emulators and ROM's. as long as you own the game, you can have a "back-up" of it on PC

according to the DMCA this is true. Any digital media produced the end user is allowed to have 1 copy for archival purposes as long as they own the original. Where you back it up & how you back it up is your own business :):)

However,


if you don't, you can keep it for 24 hours. :-|

That is hogwash, imho....

same thing for people that say you can keep a copy of mp3's for 12 or 24 hours but you must delete them. That's nonsense too. Nowhere in the DMCA or anywhere else on the net for that matter is is strictly pointed out that this is legal. I think someone started it & it became a fad to say keep em for so long but you have to delete em, & now everyone thinks it is acceptable.

I may be wrong, but I think that is complete bunk.......

Tonysmo
05-07-2002, 03:40 PM
I had the TPM on bootleg shortly after I saw it at the theater. It was a "hold me over" as well. Once the VHS came out, I had to get it. then the DVD. I agree with all of the points. I want to see EPII in all its glory in the theater.. almost willing to take the 5 hour drive to Kansas City to the closest DIGITAL theater.. dont think I will though, the celebration in Indy was enough to keep me good until the 16th... Will I download the bootleg after I see the movie. Most likely. Another hold over. I have the LOTR as well. They are kinda nice to have to pop in when you need that fix. Watching the Duel between Obi Wan and Mual, watching leoglas and his bow... kick *** stuff that has to be enjoyed somehow until they are released... and yeas, my trilogy tapes are about to turn to dust Ive watched them so many times..

got my tix, now I wait.... and wait.... and wait... is it the 16th yet?

pthfnder89
05-10-2002, 01:59 PM
Well we all knew it would happen. I honestly didn't think anyone would do it before the movie was released though. Impressive, most impressive...

Pendo
05-10-2002, 02:01 PM
I'm currently downloading it off Morpheus but I won't be watching it untill I've seen it first at the cinema.
I hope it's good quality but it probably wont be.

PENDO!

pthfnder89
05-10-2002, 02:10 PM
Originally posted by Pendo
I'm currently downloading it off Morpheus but I won't be watching it untill I've seen it first at the cinema.
I hope it's good quality but it probably wont be.

PENDO!

Exactly. Like I said in another thread on bootlegging, I just don't want my first viewing to be a crappy quality MPEG version on my computer screen. It would ruin the experience inmy opinion. :)

But I will download it when I get home, so that I can watch it again RIGHT AFTER I get home from my first viewing :D

Jedikmg
05-10-2002, 02:39 PM
Well good luck with that... I've been trying to download in on kaaza/morph but it was going to take about 700 hours so it won't be done untill after next thursday anyways... lol

BanthaPoodoo
05-10-2002, 04:13 PM
You can also get it in the newsgroups at alt.binaries.vcd

culley1
05-10-2002, 04:50 PM
I am disturbed by news of "bootleg" copies of E2 hitting the internet before the film has even released in theaters! Don't support these idiots out there ripping off the people who bring us so much wonder and enjoyment! I, for one, refuse to acknowledge the efforts of these jerks and will be first in line to buy the Official Version of George's DVD Edition when it arrives in stores. I want my money and support to go directly to the people responsible for a large amount of real happiness in my life!

Darth Pen
05-10-2002, 04:58 PM
The ones that have been floating on Kaaza are bogus.
I tried d/l ing those for 2 weeks now and they are all panic room,showtime and corky romano.

Don't waste your time!!!!


How do you find alt.binaries.vcd??????

plo koon 200
05-10-2002, 08:17 PM
Can someone please give me a link to a place where I can actually download it? I can't find any of the above that have been mentioned.

BanthaPoodoo
05-11-2002, 10:53 AM
Here (http://xnews.newsguy.com/)

Probably the best newsreader out there. Outlook Express & Forte Agent suck.

Just download it, configure it for your news server (your ISP should have one) then tell it to retrieve all groups (there is something like 70000 all together) Then find the alt.binaries.vcd group (or just click here (news://news:alt.binaries.vcd) and whatever your default reader is comes up.

Honestly though, get Xnews, you wont regret it.

Then when you find SWEII just click the space bar for all parts, click F4 on the keyboard, tell it where you want to save it, then wait as it downloads. Once everything is downloaded double click the .rar file (you need WinRar (http://www.winrar.com) to do this) then tell it where you want to extract it. It will come out as like a 700 MB mpg movie, & you can watch it with Windows Media Player.

Jason B
05-11-2002, 11:29 AM
my friend is getting a bootleg of it now, off of KaZaA. im not going to see it though. why would i need to? im seeing it in theaters on the 16th. :D

BanthaPoodoo
05-11-2002, 01:49 PM
I will see it in the theater (more than once) & also will get the dvd, but being such a huge fan, I cant wait!!!! I have to see it now!!! I have to see it in the theater though cause that is truly the only way to see a movie (the sounds, sights, ambience......)

JediDan
05-11-2002, 04:30 PM
I honestly don't think that the bootleg is gonna hurt the film at all. From what I have heard they are pretty bad quality and who wants to sit for over 2 hours watching a movie on their computer? Not me...If I had the bootleg I would still buy the VHS video AND the DVD when they come out plus I would still see the movie at the theatre at least 3 times.

culley1
05-11-2002, 09:13 PM
Thank you, JediDan, for your reply to my post. I agree that bootlegs are a poor substitute for the "real thing." I hope others will follow your example and support Lucasfilm in the same way you propose. See the films..buy the videos and DVDs. Peace to you, JediDan!

Jedikmg
05-12-2002, 08:02 AM
Originally posted by BanthaPoodoo
Here (http://xnews.newsguy.com/)


configure it for your news server (your ISP should have one)

I can't figure out what to enter there. How do i find what my ISP news server is?

rosel_sampson
05-12-2002, 09:02 AM
Originally posted by pthfnder89
Well we all knew it would happen. I honestly didn't think anyone would do it before the movie was released though. Impressive, most impressive...

which file?

JediDan
05-12-2002, 12:07 PM
Back at ya.. :D

Jango_in_Germany
05-12-2002, 03:18 PM
this is the filename on kazaa FTF-SWEP2a.MPG
that is the 1st half the second is FTF-SWEP2b.MPG

the first file is a little over 718 megs, the second is a little over 649 megs and yes its the real deal cause i got it.

i thought it odd that in the other SW films after the opening "crawl" the camera pans DOWN, this time it panned UP opening the film with amidala's ship and the 2 naboo escorts approaching coruscant...............

NesteaFett
05-12-2002, 06:32 PM
Was the copy real good or anything? Also, might someone be able to make a hard copy? PM me of course.

BanthaPoodoo
05-12-2002, 09:47 PM
Quality not that good (what you can expect to see if someone brings a camcorder (VHS, Hi-8, etc) into a movie & records it..

The FTF version is the same thing on the news groups. It comes in two parts so that you can make two Video CD's to watch on a DVD player. Not like divx quality or anything, but watchable.

Still, I cant wait to see it in Hi-Fi Thursday.

Brett3xmvpfavre
05-13-2002, 08:54 AM
ok, after talking to jango in germany i can tell you he is not lieing as of i found it on Kazaa (look for "star wars" and its the file sizes 718 and 649) i have to go to school but i am down loading it and have watched the first10 mins. I was really hard to find a source but if any of you need it i will let you download it from me. my user name is Bretthhhfavre tell me your gonna do it before hand in a pm before you do it so i can enable you to do so. I wont have it ready till im home at about oh, 4 when i get home (pacific time)

Jango_in_Germany
05-13-2002, 09:06 AM
thanks brett !! im glad to know i'm not a liar.....LOL!!

last nite i put it up on winmx and within a few seconds i had about 20 or so people in que for it...........:eek:

like i said the quality isint the best and there are a few sound breaks here and there but it will have to do...........at least until thursday.



:crazed:

DarthChuckMc
05-13-2002, 03:59 PM
not true Darth Pen.....I JUST finished downloading part 2 and part one is a mere 13 hours away :)
you have to find the files that are the MPEG versions, those are REAL. So far, I've watch part one from the opening crawl to Yoda with the younglings. I've only watched about 5 minutes of part 2. Just Annie and Ami arriving on Tatooine and meeting the Lars'. Jarjar really isn't annoying this time. And Hayden and Obi-wan's squabbling back and forth is GREAT!

DarthChuckMc
05-13-2002, 05:21 PM
first off...sorry Darth Pen, I posted a response to something you wrote a while back so it seems out of context now.
second.....I JUST WATCHED AOTC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Holy Crap!!!!!
This has to be the BEST Star Wars movie yet! The Yoda/Dooku duel, the Clonetrooper Ground Battle, the Jedi Arena Battle, 98.9% less Jarjar, Jango vs. Mace...oh my god.....I almost cried when I saw Yoda fighting....ok...I DID cry...call me names, but you HAVE to see it to know how I feel. The only thing this is missing that TESB had is snow, a swamp, and a city in the clouds. The only reason I would say Empire is better, and not by much, is because I was only 8 when I saw Empire, and things kinda strike you a little differently at a young impressionable age.
Anywho, there's my review in a nutshell.......I still can't wait to see it on the BIG screen Wednesday night. Spiderman is gonna be bug squash.

Darth Pen
05-13-2002, 10:11 PM
you guys suck!!!! I have been tryin to d/l it since friday and get simpsons episodes, corky romano, atlantis, andpanic room. I tried d/ling several files today while i was at work and got zilch. I'm using kaaza, I tried to go on newsgroups and got completely lost. Can anyone point out what file I should go after or zip it up and email it. Any help is appreciated.
thanks,
Dan

jjreason
05-14-2002, 08:58 AM
I watched. Couldn't wait. A little dark, but fine nonetheless. Totally, totally awesome. Im thrilled after one viewing, much more settled than after epI. Wow.

BanthaPoodoo
05-14-2002, 12:06 PM
There are now 4 versions floating around. FTF is the worst, HAFVCD is the best.

As a poster said in the newsgroups, "it's really just about bragging rights being able to see it before it's released. And don't the guys in Seattle look silly now??!!!"

Just two more days & I will be in a state of nirvana, sittin in the theatre, surround sound, popcorn in hand watching Yoda kick some major Dooku boo-boo!!!!!!!!

pivo
05-14-2002, 07:36 PM
Someone please help me...I need the bootleg. I have tried Kazaa and the like with no luck (keep getting stuck in long queues). Can someone with a copy email me or PM me and maybe set up an ICQ or NetMeeting file transfer or something? I would really appreciate it. Ordinarily I wouldn't want an early copy, but unlike every SW release since the originial release of Empire, I will not get to see ATOC on opening day. Can't get a babysitter for our 5 month old until next weekend.

First person to respond becomes my new best friend!

starwars92590
05-17-2002, 05:16 PM
Im looking for Star Wars Episode 2 to download. The whole movie. I have already been on Morpheus looking but all failed. Can some give me a link to where I can download Attack of the Clones? (I have already seen it)

Battle Droid
05-17-2002, 05:18 PM
That's illegal.

Pendo
05-17-2002, 05:22 PM
YEAH THAT'S ILLEGAL...YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF *COUGH* alt.binaries.vcd *COUGH*

PENDO!

Battle Droid
05-17-2002, 05:26 PM
Hey you're going to get the board closed down!

starwars92590
05-17-2002, 05:29 PM
sorry! forget it!

Pendo
05-18-2002, 06:59 AM
Yeah, sorry :(.

PENDO!

Jason B
05-18-2002, 08:37 PM
nah. i think the mods just stay away from it. they know it goes on, but they dont put a stop to it. like someone posted the key for Quicktime 5 Pro, and then i needed to find it again, and that same person posted it again, and it got left alone both times.

master jedi
05-19-2002, 08:53 PM
I'm watching a bootlegged version of AotC right now on my computer. A friend of mine downloaded it and gave me it for my birthday yesterday. He also gave me a bootleg of Spiderman and he might give me a bootleg of Lord of the Rings and maybe some other movies.

I don't know if it's true or accurate but I heard that in the US (in some states or all) that it's only illeagal to distribute bootlegs and not illegal to recieve or buy.

Oh well.:)

plo koon 200
05-19-2002, 11:31 PM
SirSteve is well aware about this bootleg thing. And he does not choose to ignore what we are writing. On the main page they posted a link so we could listen to the soundtrack.

BanthaPoodoo
05-20-2002, 12:16 AM
Bootlegging is a felony plain & simple. Anytime that you do not have a "legal" copy (i.e. one that is officially made by the people that put it out, Columbia Pictures, Lucasfilm, etc) then it's a crime. Not only does it drive up prices for tickets & other things, but also it makes people less likely to distribute items such as DVD's because of said piracy.

That is why I choose not to participate in such activities. I can share info on where to get items (as I have done in the past) but I do not condone downloading them & will not be a participant in such acts. (plus I kinda dont have money to pay the fines, & dont really feel like going to jail :)) It's theft plain & simple.

Jason B
05-20-2002, 06:35 PM
yeah, the music industry is going to have a major problem as more and more people dump dial-up, mainly because of KaZaA (http://www.kazaalite.com/lite/). ;)

darthvyn
05-21-2002, 07:47 PM
Originally posted by JediDan
and who wants to sit for over 2 hours watching a movie on their computer?

the only dvd player i own is my computer, and i watch all sorts of movies on it...

mrcamaro63
05-22-2002, 01:41 PM
I heard on a radio talk show that there is a dvd quality copy of attack of the clones available on the internet does anyone know if that is true??

JediDan
05-22-2002, 04:47 PM
How does a person get to alt.binaries?? Whats the web address??

AT-AT Man
05-22-2002, 05:33 PM
hey i admit to watching bootlegs, i bought a vcd of spider man and AOTC for three dollars, they actually look pretty cool.

JediDan
05-22-2002, 06:06 PM
How and where do u guys get these??? I'd love to get ahold of one.

NesteaFett
05-22-2002, 06:54 PM
Any sign of a screener. PM me with info.

AT-AT Man
05-22-2002, 08:59 PM
my friend burns them he can get any movie as soon as it comes out

Eternal Padawan
05-22-2002, 11:41 PM
Bootlegs are invariably flickering, poorly lit, horrible audio, interrupted by audience laughter and crying babies, headache inducing video tapes that completely RUIN the movie. Especially a Star Wars film. Feel free to waste your money on that sort of Duff. i can wait until November and get crisp, clean digital audio and picture and a whole slew of supplemental material for a pittance more than what you bought your crappy bootleg for.

AT-AT Man
05-23-2002, 07:27 AM
mine does not have laughter crying ba sound or anything, the worst part about mine is it is to smal on my desktop, when i maximize it, it becomes ditorted, but it's fine when it's small.

jblodgett
05-23-2002, 08:58 AM
Dude for $3 I could put up with crying babies and the small screen, etc. Where do I send my check?

culley1
05-23-2002, 02:05 PM
I AGREE WITH YOUR NON-SUPPORT STATEMENT, BUT WOULD LIKE TO ADD...THE BEST WAY TO NOT SUPPORT BOOTLEGS IS TO NOT PROVIDE LINKS AND DIRECTIONS FOR OTHERS TO FIND THEM! DO NOTHING WHATSOEVER THAT HELPS OR ENCOURAGES OTHERS TO ABUSE ARTISTS LIKE LUCAS, ETC...IF NOBODY CAN FIND THEM, NOBODY CAN SUPPORT THEM...:)

Jason B
05-23-2002, 02:45 PM
drop caps please.

aikman
05-23-2002, 02:57 PM
Sure Bootlegs are invariably flickering, poorly lit, with horrible audio.
Ive seen the movie 2 times in theaters and will certainly buy the dvd when it comes out, this is just a neat to have until then.
Bootleging will not effect dvd sales, the quality is just too poor.
My friend has boots of lotr and ep 2. If they were selling the dvds now bootlegers wouldnt exist would they?
Whats the point in waiting 6 months to sell it on dvd?
Oh, because the theater wants your money first, so you can get charged multiple times to see the same movie.
Charge me $20 from the get go and hand me the dvd on the way out, sounds good to me...

BanthaPoodoo
05-23-2002, 03:46 PM
MPG (screeners) wont hurt DVD sales, but DivX (DVD Rips) invariably will AND DO hurt DVD sales, as they are straight rips from DVD's with mp3 (CD quality) audio.

Jason B
05-29-2002, 04:16 PM
hey, i got a copy of it, the file names are [TMD]StarWars.Episode2.Attack.of.the.Clones.(1of2).avi, and [TMD]StarWars.Episode2.Attack.of.the.Clones.(2of2).avi. the first one is 184 megs, and the second one is 167 megs. the size is 352x240 pixels. it's all right, but nothing spectacular. the sound cuts out in the beginning, but is fine the rest of the way through.

AT-AT Man
05-29-2002, 06:13 PM
thats how mine is a bit

Kyo-Kasahara
06-01-2002, 06:11 PM
They were selling Spider-man and AOTC on DVD and VHS for $45 at the Knoxville toy convention today. I assume they were bootleg but he was playing spiderman on a TV and it looked good. I didn't buy it because it was way too expensive and i rather have an official copy for probably about $20 cheaper in November.

wedgeA
06-03-2002, 06:57 PM
With respect to films, how do bootlegs affect the market. I have never seen a bootleg that even comes close to an official video release, either DVD or VHS, and vs. the theatre, there is no comparison. No one I know would watch a bootleg of AOTC and either pass on it in theatres or not buy the DVD. If I did know someone whose only intention of seeing the film would be through a bootleg, I would be a jerk and not give them access to a bootleg.

NesteaFett
06-10-2002, 09:16 PM
Ok I got a quick question. I was checking ebay today and noticed that the rush of "Official" VCD's and DVD's are hitting like TPM. One guy is selling a DVD with chapter selections and supposedly THX and it is currently going for $100+. That's just crazy! First off isn't selling these straight illegal? Why hasn't ebay stopped it? Also, I was reading on this site about the people selling reels. Might there be a perfect copy out there somewhere? Is one in development. I'm not supporting bootlegs, but it's something to look into for some. Still, see it in the theatres first and buy the actual DVD that is sure to be 10x better.

pthfnder89
06-11-2002, 11:57 AM
Originally posted by NesteaFett
Ok I got a quick question. I was checking ebay today and noticed that the rush of "Official" VCD's and DVD's are hitting like TPM. One guy is selling a DVD with chapter selections and supposedly THX and it is currently going for $100+. That's just crazy! First off isn't selling these straight illegal? Why hasn't ebay stopped it? Also, I was reading on this site about the people selling reels. Might there be a perfect copy out there somewhere? Is one in development. I'm not supporting bootlegs, but it's something to look into for some. Still, see it in the theatres first and buy the actual DVD that is sure to be 10x better.

Yes, any Ebay member selling an "official" Aotc DVD or Vcd is LYING. There is no such thing as an official Ep2 DVD until Lucasfilm releases one.

They are also lying about any such dvd being "THX". There is no way that any bootleg would be correctly mastered in THX sound. THX is a high quality standard that only a professional can create and it is liscensed from Lucasfilm.

The DVDs that are being sold are probably the same bootllegs that are available on the Internet, which are simply taped by a camcorder in the actual movie theater. I haven't seen any evidence of a screener quality bootleg having been found, so that's mostly rumours or lies at this point.

I'm sure that someone will eventually get ahold of a screener DVD copy of Ep2 and then you will have higher quality bootlegs hitting the Internet, but there hasn't been one so far. And even when that happens, it still won't actually be VHS or Mpg quality, not true DVD quality.

starwars92570
06-11-2002, 07:15 PM
and who would buy a bootleg, usually the film is a bit fuzzy and the sound is not very good.

Jason B
06-11-2002, 07:32 PM
Originally posted by starwars92570
and who would buy a bootleg, usually the film is a bit fuzzy and the sound is not very good.


exactly, why would you not buy a bootleg? ;)

BanthaPoodoo
06-17-2002, 02:47 PM
Actually you can buy the DVD here (http://www.d9movie.com/dvd/55805025006.shtml)..........


And no, it is not a bootleg. It is the real deal.....

Beast
06-17-2002, 03:25 PM
BanthaPoodoo, it looks like a bootleg site to me. The movie hasn't been released on DVD anywhere in the world yet. They even have DVD copies of Scooby Doo, that just opened in theaters. As well as Spider-man and Lord of the Rings, and other movies that arn't out on DVD yet. :)

MTFBWY and HH!!

Jar Jar Binks

BanthaPoodoo
06-17-2002, 03:35 PM
I think I read somewhere that you can get legit DVD's in other parts of the world because they dont really care about piracy issues like the US.

This combined with the fact that these poorer countries dont have the $$$ or technology to broadcast major flicks on the widescreen. So to bring in a little more cheddar, they sell em on DVD, VCD, SVCD, etc....

I could be wrong though........ I am looking for where I read that at right now......

NesteaFett
06-17-2002, 07:29 PM
I looked over the site and though I doubt they are the official DVD's there is a possibility that they are NEAR DVD quality. They said they were Mpeg's. They might have been ripped from a screener. Anyways, what's the safety in ordering from this site. I mean they are selling illegally, why wouldn't they just rip you off. Also, can someone explain PAL to me? Might a PS2 play PAL DVD's?

BanthaPoodoo
06-17-2002, 10:44 PM
From what I understand it is really safe to order from them. They go through an online broker, www.ccnow.com (internationally recognized), much like ebay is the middle man between deals at their service.


They said they were Mpeg's

All DVD's are MPEG's. They are compressed with MPEG2 compression (as are SVCD's) whereas VCD's are compress with MPEG1 compression. DVD's also have AC3 audio, whereas VCD/SVCD's have different audio (I believe either mp3 or wav (pcm) audio.

US PS2's can not play PAL DVD/VCD/SVCD. In fact they cant even play VCD/SVCD. All they can play is Region 1 NTSC DVD's. Now if you had a Japanese import PS2, then yes, theoretically it could play PAL DVD's (but still not VCD/SVCD)


How do I know all this stuff you may ask???

Well, I work at an ISP where I deal with this kind of stuff all day every day for almost 6 years. You learn to read a lot to pass the time (and you have to be able to answer questions when asked :))

pthfnder89
06-18-2002, 04:29 PM
Originally posted by BanthaPoodoo
I think I read somewhere that you can get legit DVD's in other parts of the world because they dont really care about piracy issues like the US.

This combined with the fact that these poorer countries dont have the $$$ or technology to broadcast major flicks on the widescreen. So to bring in a little more cheddar, they sell em on DVD, VCD, SVCD, etc....

I could be wrong though........ I am looking for where I read that at right now......

The thing is that the companies that own the movies (like Warner Brothers, Fox, or Lucasfilm) are the ones that actually have to create the DVDs. They either oversee the creation process themselves or they sell the DVD rights to another company if they think that will bring them more money. Whoever owns the rights to the movie is the only one who can make a legal DVD.

With something like Star Wars, George Lucas would NEVER sell the DVD or video rights to another company obviously which means that any DVD that does not come straight from them is a fake.

Websites like D9movie.com or vcdnow.com are Asian companies and Asia (and especially Hong Kong) is the single largest area for stolen and bootlegged movies, music, video games, software etc... in the world. Anytime they sell a DVD that is "All Region" it means one of two things :

-it is a fake copy taken from a screener cd that isn't supposed to be seen by the public
or
-it is a copy of an official DVD that they stole and "cracked" to make it work on any DVD player

I bought Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon from VCD Now while it was still in theaters in the US. Crouching Tiger had been released in Asia a long time before it came to the US, and so they already had a legal, official DVD of it.

The one I bought from VCD Now was an "All Region" DVD but it actually was a copy of the official DVD that had been cracked, so it had some neat features like a commentary and music videos, because it was simply copied from a legal DVD that had been released in Asia.

I hope this helps, but I know I'm not explaining it well. I drove 16 hours to Chicago and back this weekend and I'm still tired...:p

JediDan
06-19-2002, 03:05 PM
so has anyone actually ordered from that D9movie site?? Man it is tempting. I am going nuts waiting for the LOTR US release. I'd like to get one of their copies to tide me over till the US version is released.

JediDan
06-19-2002, 03:10 PM
NesteaFett.. Pal has to do with the TV (different signals or something in that order). Pal Tvs are in Asian and European markets and I believe almost everywhere else but the USA. We have NTSC. So if you buy a DVD and you live in USA make sure you buy the NTSC version.

Beast
06-19-2002, 03:18 PM
The US release is in August, just hold out until then. Don't support bootlegs. Besides, the August release of LOTR's will be all the sweeter, if you hold off. :)

MTFBWY and HH!!

Jar Jar Binks

JediDan
06-19-2002, 04:32 PM
I was checking more into the site and they say takes up to 20 days till you receive your order, plus they don't have any address or phone number as to where to reach them. Forget it. If I did buy their copy I would still buy the release coming this August PLUS the awesomely loaded version coming this November. Oh the wait is getting unbearable. :)

OneArmedJango
06-19-2002, 04:55 PM
Just asking. Has any one downloaded the movie off the net? I'm woundering if I should.

JediDan
06-20-2002, 03:27 PM
I would if I could find a website where I can download it from. i tried Kazaa and I downloaded a 50meg clip and it wasn't even LOTR (though the title said it was) I tried downloading the big 170meg clips but they never go through. :( Where else can I get me the movie, a site that is Gator (gain) free.

pthfnder89
06-20-2002, 05:00 PM
Originally posted by JarJarBinks
The US release is in August, just hold out until then. Don't support bootlegs. Besides, the August release of LOTR's will be all the sweeter, if you hold off. :)

MTFBWY and HH!!

Jar Jar Binks

I don't particularly like supporting bootlegs either but I'm afraid I broke down in this case. I got a copy of LOTR off the net that was taken from a screener cd, which basically means that it's a perfect picture on a computer monitor.

If I was going to buy the DVD in August I wouldn't have gotten it but I'm going to wait until the November Deluxe Edition since it is FAR superior. Which would mean another 5 months before I would get to own LOTR.

I don't feel too bad about this since I know that the studio is going to get $70 of my money when November comes.

Beast
06-20-2002, 05:08 PM
Originally posted by pthfnder89
If I was going to buy the DVD in August I wouldn't have gotten it but I'm going to wait until the November Deluxe Edition since it is FAR superior. Which would mean another 5 months before I would get to own LOTR.
You still should pick up the August release, since it's special features will not be included on the Novemeber release. Both releases will have totally unique special features. :)

MTFBWY and HH!!

Jar Jar Binks

OneArmedJango
06-21-2002, 03:38 PM
Originally posted by JediDan
I would if I could find a website where I can download it from. i tried Kazaa and I downloaded a 50meg clip and it wasn't even LOTR (though the title said it was) I tried downloading the big 170meg clips but they never go through. :( Where else can I get me the movie, a site that is Gator (gain) free.

Hey man a friend of mine downloaded it from iMesh. When you load it they come in two parts so look for ones that say 1of2 and 2of2, but we had to download about 6 different virsions to find one thay worked. So you have to have a lot of time on your hands.
-One

JediDan
06-21-2002, 04:13 PM
Hey thx OneArmedJango. I'll give it a try tonight. :D :D

DeadEye
06-21-2002, 10:11 PM
So...wait? The AOTC DVD is coming out in August and then November? :confused:

Beast
06-21-2002, 11:13 PM
Originally posted by DeadEye
So...wait? The AOTC DVD is coming out in August and then November? :confused:
No, Lord of the Rings is coming out in a theatrical cut in August, and then an extended cut in November. :)

MTFBWY and HH!!

Jar Jar Binks

NesteaFett
06-22-2002, 02:11 PM
I have the LOTR screener. I actually only downloaded it to see if I could get some codec to work. Haven't watched it all the way through, but what I saw was nice. Also, I have a bad computer right now that I'm a way from school and it' super fast connection. Still, I noticed on Kazaa there are Divx copies of AOTC. Has anyone downloaded one that was a super sweet quality? Also, spiderman is another I'm trying to get but I've only found one copy with near perfect sound and visuals, but it never downloads. The only copy I've downloaded fully has the perfect sound and a screwed up picture. It starts with the Hulk movie preview. If any one of you has it, PLEASE, PM me! We'll talk.

JediDan
06-22-2002, 04:56 PM
I got the 1st half of AOTC downloaded and the 1st part of LOTR. Both are very watchable with ok sound. Only thing is I only have 150megs left on my harddrive, so I have to delete alot of stuff to finish the rest of the downloads. :( I finally am getting it. :D :D

RAVAZ
06-22-2002, 11:12 PM
I downloaded AOTC and thought it was cool. As some of you may know I got the video now and its the same source used for the downloaded version. Its pretty cool. Can't wait for the dvd in November though.

OneArmedJango
06-23-2002, 12:08 AM
Originally posted by JediDan
I got the 1st half of AOTC downloaded and the 1st part of LOTR. Both are very watchable with ok sound. Only thing is I only have 150megs left on my harddrive, so I have to delete alot of stuff to finish the rest of the downloads. :( I finally am getting it. :D :D

Oh cool. I'm glad that you got it. Did you get them off of iMesh?

RAVAZ
06-23-2002, 12:05 PM
LOTR isn't on dvd yet?? I thought I saw it advertised somewhere.

OneArmedJango
06-23-2002, 10:13 PM
Yah they have adds to pre-order LOTR at all the Sun Coastes

RAVAZ
06-24-2002, 03:04 PM
Yeah I just saw it on a website I buy dvds at. They have some great prices. I've ordered from them several times. Great service. Check it out:

http://www.deepdiscountdvd.com/

JediDan
06-24-2002, 03:39 PM
Originally posted by OneArmedJango


Oh cool. I'm glad that you got it. Did you get them off of iMesh?

Actually no. I downloaded the new Xolox which is spyware free and got the movies from there. I can't believe I have it now. But I still can't wait for the actual DVDs to come out.

OneArmedJango
06-27-2002, 05:51 AM
Yah I know what you mean. Its always better to watch Star Wars on the T.V. screen.