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2-1B
08-31-2001, 03:51 AM
Hehehehehehehehehehehehhehehehehe,

I'm quoting the box of my Battle for Endor tape,


Daily Variety pronounces that Ewoks: The Battle for Endor "triumphs as a worthy entrant into the hallowed Star Wars canon."

AmanaMatt
08-31-2001, 05:30 AM
What's an Ewok??!???







almost blocked the little buggers out of my memory!

JediTricks
08-31-2001, 10:51 AM
Riiiight, nice try Variety. :p

JEDIpartner
08-31-2001, 11:02 AM
Wha...?

Shooting Ewoks out of a cannon? Sounds good to me!

BOOM! "Aaaaaaiiieeeeeeeeeee!!!!" *SPLAT*:rolleyes:

El Chuxter
08-31-2001, 11:58 AM
Taking a serious stand on Teek for once, I must say he is one of the most ridiculous things ever created for the saga. But he's still cool. :D

I wouldn't say the Ewok films are canon, but they're definitely accepted EU. Teeks, Marauders, Goraxes (Goraxii?), Charal, Blurrgs, and the Towanis have shown up in other books (notably The Illustrated Star Wars Universe, The Essential Guide to Planets and Moons, and the Black Fleet Crisis (where we see a grown-up Cindel).

What I wanna know: Endor is a small moon, so why is it so danged crowded? Counting only sentient and semisentient beings native to Endor, there are Ewoks, Duloks, Teeks, Yuzzum, Goraxes, those little firefly people, and probably five or six I missed.

Starfig873
08-31-2001, 12:10 PM
*sings to himself* Yub! Yub! BOOM!

2-1B
08-31-2001, 02:07 PM
Originally posted by El Chuxter
I wouldn't say the Ewok films are canon, but they're definitely accepted EU.


So what's the explanation behind Charal and her ability to turn into a crow ? When I was a kid that magical ring bothered me because it didn't jive with the Star Wars universe. Of course, now we might rationalize that she was a Sith Witch or something but uh . . .


El Chuxter - 2 things more absurd than Teek: midichlorians and cloned emperor !

Bel-Cam Jos
08-31-2001, 08:08 PM
Any movies that give us the immortal insult "Lerdo!" deserves to be canon! They're "canon" in so far as they don't really contradict anything in the Classic Trilogy. Except maybe the broken English of Wicket he seemed to forget by ROJ. Or are the Ewok films post-ROJ?

Darth Cruel
08-31-2001, 10:11 PM
Some pretty good agruments on both sides have been brought up. I need some help on this one. Who wrote and who directed the Ewok movies.

JediTricks
09-01-2001, 12:23 AM
The Ewok Adventure (aka Caravan of Courage) was directed by John Korty and credits Bob Carrau and George Lucas as the writers, according to the IMDB. Ewoks: The Battle For Endor was directed Jim Wheat and Ken Wheat, and credits George Lucas and the 2 directors as the writers. IMDB has "(story)" next to Lucas' name, so it's possible that Lucas didn't really write a bit of either tv-movie.

2-1B
09-01-2001, 02:14 AM
JediTricks, I have both of these movies and your speculation about the story credit is correct. Lucas is given a "story by" credit, while the screenplay credits you found are accurate.

2-1B
09-01-2001, 02:17 AM
Originally posted by JediTricks
Riiiight, nice try Variety. :p

There's more! Apparently Daily Variety is also a fan of The Ewok Adventure, for it praises the film as

"imaginative and startingly original . . . a perennial."

GNT
09-01-2001, 02:47 AM
I think it counts as "Star Wars" and not EU but just on a lower leverl!

Darth Cruel
09-01-2001, 05:22 AM
I say what the heck!! Let's allow into our Star Wars world! You all know my viewpoint...the more the merrier!!:)

JediTricks
09-01-2001, 10:31 AM
Hmmm... "imaginative and original", I'm guessing those are two words that could describe that review. ;) I swear, hand me $100 million and I'll make a 2-hour tv-movie of a trip to the dentist office... in realtime... and as long as I save $10 million for advertising in Variety, I'll get a good review from them. :D

Bel-Cam Jos
09-01-2001, 12:25 PM
I'd posted a similar thread in the OF (Old Forums), of movie critics' views: http://209.197.112.151/thread.html?dom=ss&TID=8&PID=4447 And they call themselves "experts." Bah! :p

p.s. Deckard Smith is still logged on there! "Surely he must be dead by now." ;)

Rollo Tomassi
09-03-2001, 01:14 AM
Originally posted by JediTricks
Hmmm... "imaginative and original", I'm guessing those are two words that could describe that review. ;) I swear, hand me $100 million and I'll make a 2-hour tv-movie of a trip to the dentist office... in realtime... and as long as I save $10 million for advertising in Variety, I'll get a good review from them. :D


I saw that one!!...Variety called it "breathless and spine-tingling! A true masterpiece about the world of dentistry. JT does some of his most sincere work in this breathtaking adaptation of his pocket organizer's to do list...1. Go to dentist. 2. Stop by bank. 3. Pick up latest SW action figures. 4. Go see new Michael Bay flick. 5. Put together new LEGO set...as haunting as Apocalypse Now and as hilarious as Monty Python!!"

JediTricks
09-03-2001, 07:50 AM
"'Dental Voyage', the imaginative, original blockbuster film from the visionary director of the oscar-nominated short flm, 'Toenails Be Gone' - a 15-minute journey into one man's epic struggle against an unstoppable force. He cuts and cuts as he sends the enemy flying, yet he knows he's can never truly win the war. Who would have thought that a man could sit in a chair for one-quarter of an hour clipping, buffing, and ultimately biting his toenails while the cameras rolled - catching every stark, honest moment. J.T. DeMille truly has recaptured the raw, gritty spirit of Hollywood, and this director doesn't stop here, next he covers drama, comedy, and action in 'Video Store Saturday'."

El Chuxter
09-03-2001, 05:36 PM
Originally posted by Caesar

So what's the explanation behind Charal and her ability to turn into a crow ? When I was a kid that magical ring bothered me because it didn't jive with the Star Wars universe. Of course, now we might rationalize that she was a Sith Witch or something but uh . . .

The fictitious author of the Imperial scouting report (from The Illustrated Star Wars Universe) says she appears to be a Nightsister who somehow escaped from Dathomir. Now that just raises the problem of how a lowly Imp knew about Dathomir and the Nightsisters. . . .

I meant they were accepted EU in that Teeks, Marauders, and Goraxes have variously been mentioned in TISWU, The Essential Guide to Alien Species, The Essential Guide to Planets and Moons, and the Jedi Apprentice trilogy.

JEDIpartner
09-04-2001, 05:07 PM
What was the name of that little "Shirley Temple" kid with the Olivia Newton-John "Physical" headband...?

-Cylinder?
-Cinders?
-Sandal?
-Sandbox?

Ehhhh... whatever. Maybe Hasbro will make her into a figure!! Wheee!!!

I suppose the films weren't that bad for a Sunday evening diversion. There wasn't much on TV back in those days... That was before "X-Files"!!!

Bel-Cam Jos
09-04-2001, 07:41 PM
Not sure how to spell it, JEDIpartnr, but I believe her name was Cindel (sin-dell). Amazingly, she WAS played by Olivia Newton-John! ;)

2-1B
09-05-2001, 02:37 AM
Cindell was played by Aubree Miller - I looked her up in IMDb right after checking out Teek's career, and there was not anything listed after the Ewoks flicks.

Bel-Cam Jos
09-05-2001, 12:38 PM
So... where is Aubree Miller now? Investing her huge profits from the success of the two Ewoks films, she is now the owner of several lemonade stands in western Oklahoma. With her two boys, Mace and Windu, she is enjoying the life of a retired movie star. :D :p ;) :D

Obi-Don
09-08-2001, 05:02 AM
I'm not that crazy about Ewoks ether but the Star Wars universe as it seems to me can be and have just about anything you can want.Maybe that is why we all love it so.Besides I think it adds to the defeat of the Empire,that a low tech.race can over whem the stormtroopers.But that might not have happened if the stormtroopers could shoot or anything else that a military super force could do.

Lobito
10-02-2001, 04:49 PM
How many Ewok movies were released?? I only saw the first one, but wasnt aware that there were others...i know these movies are No canon, but still, they are part of SW, but i dont think they are on DVD...are they??

El Chuxter
10-02-2001, 06:16 PM
There were two: The Ewok Adventure (Ewoks: Caravan of Courage outside the US) and Ewoks: The Battle for Endor. Neither has been released on DVD, nor have they been available on VHS for some time, as far as I know.

JimJamBonds
03-26-2006, 02:08 AM
Cindell was played by Aubree Miller - I looked her up in IMDb right after checking out Teek's career, and there was not anything listed after the Ewoks flicks.

Might as well go out on top.

2-1B
03-26-2006, 02:10 AM
She looks kinda hot now.

I'm sure JT would find something about her appearance to be picky toward, though. :p

JimJamBonds
03-26-2006, 02:13 AM
She looks kinda hot now.

I'm sure JT would find something about her appearance to be picky toward, though. :p

Did you get her autograph at a convention or something? Didn't you get THE orginal Mace's sig. a few years ago?

2-1B
03-26-2006, 02:19 AM
Yes, Eric Walker aka "Star Wars 1st Mace" and he has certainly seen better days.

no Aubree, I'm afraid. EDubs said she's rather skittish about hitting the convention circuit and I can't say I blame her at all. Hell, even I am skittish about it. lol

But I saw a pic a few years back, not a bad lookin' gal. :)

JimJamBonds
03-26-2006, 02:22 AM
Not bad. :thumbsup:

2-1B
03-26-2006, 02:25 AM
We should all talk about how hot she is and how she's the cutest girl ever, then wait for JT to come in here and complain that her face is too wide and squishy.

I'm sure he'll be even more creative than that, though. lol

JimJamBonds
03-26-2006, 02:27 AM
Looks like the cute little girl is all growns up! :love:

Slicker
03-26-2006, 07:56 AM
I'm gonna pick cannon. Maybe a civil war era one too, not sure about that part though.

stillakid
03-26-2006, 07:59 AM
her face is too wide and squishy.

It's all pink inside.

Rocketboy
03-26-2006, 10:32 AM
There were two: The Ewok Adventure (Ewoks: Caravan of Courage outside the US) and Ewoks: The Battle for Endor. Neither has been released on DVD, nor have they been available on VHS for some time, as far as I know.Liar - both are on DVD - and on one disc!

2-1B
03-26-2006, 10:55 AM
It's already out on VHS? Good, my Beta copy is wearing out and I've been waiting for an upgrade to a more technological format.

stillakid
03-26-2006, 11:00 AM
It's already out on VHS? Good, my Beta copy is wearing out and I've been waiting for an upgrade to a more technological format.

You had a Beta? I was lucky to have the slide show! :mad:

Rocketboy
03-26-2006, 11:02 AM
I used to have a flip book.

Slicker
03-26-2006, 11:05 AM
I only had pictures drawn on napkins.:cry:

Rocketboy
03-26-2006, 11:06 AM
No Slick, that was poo on toilet paper. It was coincidence that it looked lile Wilford Brimley.

Slicker
03-26-2006, 11:15 AM
No Slick, that was poo on toilet paper. It was coincidence that it looked lile Wilford Brimley.Makes sense now. I was wonderin' why Jabba was on Endor.

El Chuxter
03-26-2006, 12:15 PM
Man, we need to convince her to go to conventions. Being constantly hit on by a bunch of dorks would do wonders for her self-esteem.

Thanks for the pic, Caesar JimJam.

LusiferSam
03-26-2006, 12:41 PM
Here's my opinion, if the Ewok movies are canon then so is the Holiday Special. And we all know what a load of crap the Holiday Special was.

I'm big fan of the Ewoks. I really liked them in ROTJ, but only in ROTJ. I remember being really excited about the Battle of Endor when it was on TV for the first. But it was terrible. I kept watching hoping it would get better, but it never did. A year later I saw Caravan of Courage for the first and thought that was worst. These "movies" stained the Ewoks forever and should be forgotten.

JimJamBonds
03-26-2006, 02:49 PM
Thanks for the pic, Caesar JimJam.

It was my pleasure Sir!

stillakid
03-26-2006, 04:13 PM
Here's my opinion, if the Prequels are considered canon, then so should the Ewok movies and the Holiday Special. None followed established continuity and were all crap in their own special ways.

Rocketboy
03-26-2006, 08:44 PM
Here's my opinion, if the Ewok movies are canon then so is the Holiday Special. And we all know what a load of crap the Holiday Special was. It was still better than that New Jedi Order garbage.

LusiferSam
03-27-2006, 02:12 AM
It was still better than that New Jedi Order garbage.
Very, very true. That was more an exploded septic tank, a geyser of **** raining down up on the neighborhood. The Holiday Special and Ewoks movies were more dirty diaper bad.

2-1B
03-27-2006, 02:23 AM
I better read some love for Teek pretty damn soon here. :mad:

El Chuxter
03-27-2006, 09:35 AM
No kidding! How many pages with nary a mention of our fast furry friend?

I voted for Teek in the preliminary voting for the current Hasbro poll. No ****.

jjreason
03-27-2006, 10:57 AM
Mmmmm no. Not canon no. That porno flick with the dude dressed up like Dengar however - pure SW magic.

Carl - that wasn't you by chance.... nahhhh, couldn't have been. :yes:

2-1B
03-27-2006, 12:10 PM
Just imagine the delights that exist beneath those bandages.

El Chuxter
03-27-2006, 01:08 PM
It wasn't really the original actor who played Dengar. Rather, it was Slicker's mom.

CaptainSolo1138
03-27-2006, 01:10 PM
It wasn't really the original actor who played Dengar. Rather, it was Slicker's mom.
This "Slicker's mom" shtuff is killin' me!lol


Too bad she's my mom, too.:cry:

Anyway, back to this Dengar porno role for a moment? WTF?!

Mr. JabbaJohnL
03-27-2006, 01:57 PM
This "Slicker's mom" shtuff is killin' me!lol


Too bad she's my mom, too.:cry:

Anyway, back to this Dengar porno role for a moment? WTF?!
It was actually me. I put on quite a bit of weight, and it wasn't techinically legal, but it was a great time. Bossk and I had a gay old time. But not like that.

stillakid
03-27-2006, 02:28 PM
It was actually me. I put on quite a bit of weight, and it wasn't techinically legal, but it was a great time. Bossk and I had a gay old time. But not like that.

Sorry, you'll have to prove it by smoochin' then throwing up afterwards.

JimJamBonds
03-27-2006, 03:00 PM
This "Slicker's mom" shtuff is killin' me!lol


Too bad she's my mom, too.:cry:

In my mind they are two different people.... hope that helps you out some Cap. :D

Rocketboy
03-27-2006, 06:37 PM
In my mind they are two different people.... hope that helps you out some Cap. :DAnd you haven't lived until you've had 'em both at the same time.

scruffziller
05-23-2006, 02:34 PM
I would say, why not. Because they have nothing to do with the SW stories themselves. The only thing that I had a problem with was introducing horses. But when CW had Obi and Ani riding on them, you know they referred back to the Ewok movies about horses existing in the SW universe.

JON9000
05-24-2006, 11:38 AM
wow, come to think of it, SW has had a pretty lousy made for television record. I sincerely hope the new show doesn't suck.

2-1B
05-24-2006, 12:37 PM
I'm not holding my breath for it, Jon. Clone Wars was okay but it was nothing great.

Banthaholic
05-25-2006, 01:08 PM
These films were allright in the 80s early 90s when we had nothing better existing. Cheesy yes, but still a bit of a connection to the universe we all love.

Now with the prequels out and CW cartoon, these could use a bit of a cleanup. Lucas how 'bout some Ewok movie SEs?

El Chuxter
05-25-2006, 01:22 PM
Only if they expand TEEEEEEK!'s role and work him into ROTS and ESB.

JEDIpartner
05-25-2006, 01:43 PM
Even on a lovely Thursday, I'd love to shoot some copies of the Ewok films out of a cannon.

JediTricks
05-25-2006, 04:37 PM
When I was a kid, these were not good, not reasonable substitutes for SW and not very entertaining on their own. I'm surprised Lucas hasn't borrowed the idea for these and made the Gungan Adventure tv movies though. :p

JEDIpartner
05-25-2006, 05:01 PM
LOL!!! You, know-- that is SO lucas-minded. :p

I think the "replacement" eyeballs on the Ewoks creeped me out a bit.

JimJamBonds
05-26-2006, 12:25 AM
When I was a kid, these were not good, not reasonable substitutes for SW and not very entertaining on their own. I'm surprised Lucas hasn't borrowed the idea for these and made the Gungan Adventure tv movies though. :p

HEY HEY NOW YOU'RE FINALLY MAKING SOME SENSE JT!!!


;)

JediTricks
05-28-2006, 03:20 AM
Don't give Lucas ideas!!! :p

JimJamBonds
05-30-2006, 01:40 PM
Don't give Lucas ideas!!! :p

How do you 'unsend' an email?!?!

Banthaholic
05-30-2006, 07:51 PM
When I was a kid, these were not good, not reasonable substitutes for SW and not very entertaining on their own. I'm surprised Lucas hasn't borrowed the idea for these and made the Gungan Adventure tv movies though. :p
Only if the first movie tells the Story of Jar Jars family being standed on Endor, then at the start of the second movie Jar Jars whole family gets murdered except for Jar Jar's brother (in this case) and they meat up with Teek and Wilform Brimley for some oatmeal in his treehouse.

JediTricks
05-30-2006, 11:10 PM
Only if the first movie tells the Story of Jar Jars family being standed on Endor, then at the start of the second movie Jar Jars whole family gets murdered except for Jar Jar's brother (in this case) and they meat up with Teek and Wilform Brimley for some oatmeal in his treehouse. "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!" - Darth Vader


Friggin' Wilford Brimley and his diabetic oatmeal commercials. Maybe Jar Jar will get diabetes and Wilford Brimley can get him affordable access to all the supplies he'll need.

Rocketboy
05-31-2006, 12:53 AM
Only if the first movie tells the Story of Jar Jars family being standed on Endor, then at the start of the second movie Jar Jars whole family gets murdered except for Jar Jar's brother (in this case) and they meat up with Teek and Wilform Brimley for some oatmeal in his treehouse.

Friggin' Wilford Brimley and his diabetic oatmeal commercials. Maybe Jar Jar will get diabetes and Wilford Brimley can get him affordable access to all the supplies he'll need.You know, I kinda want to see this movie happen now.

JediTricks
05-31-2006, 01:15 AM
I want to see Brimely go all "The Firm" on Jar Jar's digital ***! Nothing like an old, fat henchman to really bring the threat level to the top.

plasticfetish
05-31-2006, 12:55 PM
When I was a kid, these were not good, not reasonable substitutes for SW and not very entertaining on their own.Oh, Come on! How old were you in '84 when the Ewok Adventure came out? Are you trying to tell me that you were that cynical when you were nine years old? :ermm: I'm sure little JT was allowed to stay up late (wearing his footie pajamas) to watch the Ewok show, and I'm sure he loved it. :silly:

These shows were dumb... even at the time, but they were never supposed to be anything but silly kid fun. (Not that I want him to make more of them though...)

2-1B
05-31-2006, 01:00 PM
"Check your blood sugar. Check it OFTEN. There's just no reason not to."

JediTricks
05-31-2006, 06:15 PM
Oh, Come on! How old were you in '84 when the Ewok Adventure came out? Are you trying to tell me that you were that cynical when you were nine years old? :ermm: I'm sure little JT was allowed to stay up late (wearing his footie pajamas) to watch the Ewok show, and I'm sure he loved it. :silly:At 9 years old, I was anti-cynical, for god's sake I was still way jazzed about ROTJ, (but the Ewoks were never the reason) yet the Ewok Adventure was boring, both tv-movies flat-out SUCKED even then.


These shows were dumb... even at the time, but they were never supposed to be anything but silly kid fun. (Not that I want him to make more of them though...)They weren't silly kid fun, I suppose the Ewoks cartoons fit that bill though I didn't watch 'em, but the TV adventures were boring and plodding, not fun for imaginative kids.

El Chuxter
05-31-2006, 06:19 PM
But, dude, TEEEEEEEEEEEK!!!!

JediTricks
05-31-2006, 07:38 PM
weeeeeeeeeaaaaak!!!!

plasticfetish
05-31-2006, 08:00 PM
weeeeeeeeeaaaaak!!!!
Hahahahahahaha!

Banthaholic
05-31-2006, 09:32 PM
I was looking for a movie to watch last night while in bed, our dvd players our in other rooms and we only have a vcr hooked up in the bedroom. I couldn't find my OT vcr tapes, but I did locate the Ewok movies. So last night I saw a bit of Jace, Wicket, and Cindel.

Still not the best of ovies, but still better than some of the garbage I tend to leave on while channel surfing and alot better than the shos that are on tv if my wife is manning the remote :)

El Chuxter
05-31-2006, 10:13 PM
weeeeeeeeeaaaaak!!!!

Dude, you are going to hell for that.

JediTricks
05-31-2006, 10:21 PM
I've already spent my time in hell by watching the Ewok movies, the holiday special, and the prequels. :p (I saw TPM 11 times, that's nearly a solid day!!!)

2-1B
06-01-2006, 04:26 AM
JT, I will never understand why you watched (paid to see, no less) such a bad movie that many times. :crazed:

JimJamBonds
06-01-2006, 09:20 AM
JT, I will never understand why you watched (paid to see, no less) such a bad movie that many times. :crazed:

Yeah for somebody that hates on TPM (along with AOTC and ROTS) that much why did you go that many times??????????

2-1B
06-01-2006, 12:09 PM
You're one to talk, Mr. Bonds, considering you've seen The Da Vinci Code eight times already.

JediTricks
06-01-2006, 05:02 PM
JT, I will never understand why you watched (paid to see, no less) such a bad movie that many times. :crazed:
Because I wanted so much to get what others were getting out of it, plus the first 4 were obligatory (we bought the tix in advance, 3 for opening day, 1 for the day after), 3 were for viewing the digital versions (I saw the DLP version twice), 1 or 2 were because I wanted to support my local independent theater which got shafted when Lucas did that "1 theater per area" contract then put the movie in the Mann Chinese after saying he wouldn't.

El Chuxter
06-01-2006, 05:50 PM
Yeah for somebody that hates on TPM (along with AOTC and ROTS) that much why did you go that many times??????????

Simple. JT is a Doombot, and Doombots do such crazy things.

http://forums.sirstevesguide.com/showpost.php?p=332654&postcount=13

2-1B
06-01-2006, 11:59 PM
1 or 2 were because I wanted to support my local independent theater which got shafted when Lucas did that "1 theater per area" contract then put the movie in the Mann Chinese after saying he wouldn't.

I respect that, JT. :)

JimJamBonds
06-02-2006, 01:01 AM
You're one to talk, Mr. Bonds, considering you've seen The Da Vinci Code eight times already.

That isn't quite right, facturing in Thursdays viewings the grand total is now 11.