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mabudonicus
03-12-2002, 12:36 PM
From the design in "clone war", I just don't get how it would occur to anyone that the vehicle would be better if only it were REAL tall and gangly and off balance? New mine technology? Were they designed to operate on planets with something 30ft deep covering them, or what? The almost alligator like design (or maybe toad like) seems SO much better than the newer models seem in the OT. Any theories? Woooooooo!!!
I'd like to see snowspeeders vs AT TEs, is all I'm saying.

Beast
03-12-2002, 12:54 PM
Originally posted by mabudon
From the design in "clone war", I just don't get how it would occur to anyone that the vehicle would be better if only it were REAL tall and gangly and off balance? New mine technology? Were they designed to operate on planets with something 30ft deep covering them, or what? The almost alligator like design (or maybe toad like) seems SO much better than the newer models seem in the OT. Any theories? Woooooooo!!! I'd like to see snowspeeders vs AT TEs, is all I'm saying.
I think that after Palpatine comes to power, he has everything designed in massive scale, just to strike fear in his enemies. He seems to be somthing of an ego-maniac, so it's no suprise that he wants everything to be the biggest and the baddest. Hell, look at Vader's Super Star Destroyer. I think it's an ego thing, most likely for both of them. Or, it coule be that both our Sith Lord friends are compinsating for a shortcoming? ;)

MTFBWY and HH!!

Jar Jar Binks

pthfnder89
03-12-2002, 12:55 PM
Originally posted by mabudon
From the design in "clone war", I just don't get how it would occur to anyone that the vehicle would be better if only it were REAL tall and gangly and off balance

Actually Mabudon, I was thinking the same thing.
I can think of a couple possibilities though:

1) With longer legs, the AT-ATs could probably climb over larger or rougher terrain.

2) (my favorite) The Empire ruled by fear, and seeing a 50FOOT TALL mechanical monster coming at me would scare me even more than the smaller AT-TEs, even though the AT-TEs look pretty formidable. It's all about intimidation I think.

chewbacca71
03-12-2002, 03:41 PM
if you are up higher you can see over trees, endor, and for a much further distance then if you were close to the ground.

LTBasker
03-12-2002, 04:01 PM
AT-AT: All Terrain Armored Transport
AT-ST: All Terrain Scout Transport
AT-TE: All Terrain Transport Escort/Tactical Enforcer :confused:

What I mean by that is the AT-AT is a giant armored troop transporter meant to go in alone and drop off a squadron of troops, the AT-ST does smaller areas with Scouts, it can't carry as many of course, but it seems mostly for just small outposts, and the AT-TE sounds like a little thing to get small squads in there plus to give cover fire while other ships and such drop troops off, not really a "loner" transport. Just a theory. :cool:

Beast
03-12-2002, 04:11 PM
Originally posted by LTBasker
AT-AT: All Terrain Armored Transport
AT-ST: All Terrain Scout Transport
AT-TE: All Terrain Transport Escort/Tactical Enforcer :confused:
What I mean by that is the AT-AT is a giant armored troop transporter meant to go in alone and drop off a squadron of troops, the AT-ST does smaller areas with Scouts, it can't carry as many of course, but it seems mostly for just small outposts, and the AT-TE sounds like a little thing to get small squads in there plus to give cover fire while other ships and such drop troops off, not really a "loner" transport. Just a theory. :cool:

Here's the lowdown from Episode-X about the AT-TE Walker from Episode II. Seems to be able to carry quite a few troops as well.

The All-Terrain Tactical Enforcer, unlike fast-flying aircraft and fighters, exerts a persistently formidable presence on the ground. For rapid deployment of troops, AT-TE walkers can ride a LAAT/c gunship to the battlefront and are excellent vehicles for penetrating force fields. AT-TE's are also well shielded against electromagnetic pulse weapons and ion cannon fire. Also known as the Clone Assault Walker, the AT-TE stands on six legs, has two squads of clones and a clone on top with a swivel gun. With the passengers unloaded, AT-TEs can run at a terrifying pace. The AT-TE contains a crew of 20 and one IM-6 medic droid.

Sounds cool to me, but who is coming up with the droid names, we have the waitress droid "FLO", which was the name of the waitress in Mel's Diner that used to say "Kiss My Grits" all the time. And we have IM-6, which sounds like "I am sick". :crazed:

MTFBWY and HH!!

Jar Jar Binks

Bosskman
03-12-2002, 04:57 PM
The AT-ATs from the OT were MASSIVE. My favorite scene in the whole of Star Wars will always be the one on Hoth with the AT-ATs firing on the fleeing rebels. There's something about everything in that scene, even the musical cues, that brings tears to my eyes and chills down my spine. It only lasts for a second or two but nothing will ever top that one for me. I read somewhere that they were designed to resemble some kind of giant beasts that some kind of aliens used to take to battle but that was probably just EU of some kind. Back before TPM first came out and the faambas were first described I thought maybe these could have been that beast but in TPM they weren't used as transports and they were nowhere near the size on an AT-AT. The AT-TEs, as ltbasker said, are vehicles that serve a different function than the AT-ATs and AT-STs so I don't think that technology regressed. If one was pitted aganst the other I'm sure the AT-AT would crush the AT-TE like a rebel snowspeeder. Also, while I've heard that many people don't like those spider walker things from that Geonosis battle, there's something VERY starwarsie about them that cannot be denied. They're so cheasy and 80's-like that I think they fit nicely into the movies.

Co Jo-Da
03-13-2002, 01:54 AM
The way I look at it, AT-TE's evolve into AT-AT's the same way Republic Cruisers evolve into Star Destroyers...

mabudonicus
03-13-2002, 04:43 PM
Especially that business about making up for shortcomings. I guess my problem lies in the fact that the ATATs (and yes, I gotta agree, as a kid they RULED, and that first cockpit-perspective scene, with the smoke and confusion is one of the most ominous in the OT, Bosskman) are kinda ridiculous, design wise. Sure, I understand the psychological effect of such a massive outline, but the horrible instability inherent in such a design kinda kills the menace for me, and doesn't seem in keeping with the sense of "harsh mechanical precision" that the Imperials were supposed to embody. I always imagined them to be following the "form follows function" maxim, and from what I saw in "clone war", the older form was way more suited to the function(especially after reading the excerpt Jar Jar posted about their great speed when empty(read retreating)).
Big machines are great, but if the first thing the ground troops are thinking is "They're HUGE, but it'll just take a few logs/snares and they'll fall over and get destroyed by their own bulk", one would think there could be a better design for striking abject terror into ground troops, IMO.
Of course, this never woulda come up if it weren't for the sequels.
Woooooooooo!! Thanks for the response!!
Oh yeah, and I think those spider thingies are cool too, despite this critical assesment of the ATTEs.

Casual George
03-14-2002, 05:12 PM
The whole issue of the Empire rising up and become so dependent on technology to maintain it's grip on the galaxy was one of the underlying themes George ran through all the films. He always wants to show how the spirit and drive of individual beings is much more powerful than just a big brute of machine force. To quote Darth Vader, "Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've created. The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force."

JEDIpartner
03-15-2002, 11:01 AM
I think that, had the Empire built something like a sandcrawler with a repulsorlift, that would have been even more forboding than the AT-ATs, which are still cool, even if they're not functionally sound.

pthfnder89
03-15-2002, 12:31 PM
Originally posted by JEDIpartnr
I think that, had the Empire built something like a sandcrawler with a repulsorlift, that would have been even more forboding than the AT-ATs, which are still cool, even if they're not functionally sound.

True, George has always put what looks cool ahead of functionality, and it usually works better that way on film. I mean look at Vader; they gave him a mask only because they assumed he needed to cross a vaccum in order to board Tantive V. But even though they didn't show that, Lucas kept the mask and breathing apparatus because it just looked so damned cool.

I can't even imagine how less menacing Vader would be if we had gotten to see his face throughout the OT.:(

preacher
03-15-2002, 12:51 PM
Have you ever noticed how the proportions of the Faamba and ATAT and very similar. Look at the profile of both.

Its a long shot, but maybe Palpatine even after obtaining control he still has sliver of sentimentality. As an ode to his homeland he models the ATAT after the Faamba. But just makes it much bigger to scare the heck out of his enemies.

pthfnder89
03-15-2002, 02:38 PM
LOL! That's actually an awesome thought Preacher!

Maybe he has a secret childhood fear of them or something; Perhaps his family was squashed by one on a picnic:D:D ;) ;)

Grif
04-30-2002, 04:55 PM
I heard that this was in Episode 2 but I have not been able to find confirmation or photos of it on the net. Can anyone find a pic or something for me?

Jedi Clint
04-30-2002, 05:59 PM
http://cgi.theforce.net/theforce/image.cgi?Image=episode2/newspics/clone_dropship.jpg

Jargo
04-30-2002, 08:30 PM
Something I've always felt about the AT-AT is that it doesn't really work for debarking troops. There's no way that thing could get low enough to allow troops to get off it. It would need some kind of staging platform like in ROTJ so how the snowtroopers got to the ground escapes me. The AT-TE was mooted to appear in ESB. It's first incarnation in the designs had wheels. But the overall design is very similar in AOTC to that first AT-AT design. The close proximity to the ground is what allows for speed and troop deployment at speed. Not having the underside visible cuts out one avenue for attack by the opponents. How would Luke have cut into the belly of the AT-TE? If the AT-AT resembles an elephantine creature then the AT-TE surely must resemble a Rhino or something very similar. I know Rhinos don't have six legs but if you look at the profile of the thing it looks way more fearsome and angry looking. I'm going to attach a pic so you can see what i mean.