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Beast
05-01-2002, 04:00 PM
This has some possible E3 spoilers in it as well, but it fits in better in the E2 section, due to the fact I'm discussing Anakin's AOTC's Lightsaber. Hope noone has a problem with that, and if so, please move this to the E3 section. Those avoiding E3 spoilers, go ahead and skip this topic. Thanks for your input. :)

This may have been discussed a few times before, but It's been bothering me for a while. I was looking at some pictures of both Anakin's Saber from AOTC's, and Vader's saber from ANH and noticed quite a simularity. I think I remember reading somewhere here that Dooku destroys Anakin's saber when he takes him hostage, is that in the book? Or does Dooku keep it as a prize? I know that during the battle with Yoda, when Dooku is defeated his curved hilted saber is destroyed or lost, and he escapes with the blue saber that Anakin was using in the Hanger Duel. I'm not sure if the image from the Visual Dictionary is Ani's original, or Hanger Duel lightsaber. If it's the HD one, that gives the theroy more weight.

Looking at Anakin's Saber from the movie, in the visual dictionary, and a picture of Vader's ANH saber, they are pretty much the same saber, though Vader's emmitter is painted black. Does Dooku possibly repaint and replace the crystal in Anakin's saber and use that as his sith saber in Episode III? And then once Anakin defeats Dooku, and reclaims his saber from the Hanger Duel, use that and then the new one that he would have built in between AOTC's and EIII become the one that Obi-Wan passes on to Luke? Here are some pictures. :)

MTFBWY and HH!!

Jar Jar Binks

Anakin's AOTC's Lightsaber:

Beast
05-01-2002, 04:01 PM
Vader's ANH Lightsaber:

Jedi Clint
05-01-2002, 04:07 PM
Anakin's AOTC saber is destroyed in the droid factory on Geonosis. It is cut in half by the machinery. This is according to the novel.

Beast
05-01-2002, 04:31 PM
Originally posted by Jedi Clint
Anakin's AOTC saber is destroyed in the droid factory on Geonosis. It is cut in half by the machinery. This is according to the novel.
Perhaps the lightsaber that is pictured in the visual dictionary is the one that he recieves from the Jedis when they arrive at Geonosis then? Since the blue one Anakin was using, I think is the one that Dooku makes off with when he escapes. If so it's an intresting possibility that Vader's Lightsaber is the same one that he used in the Hanger Duel and was refitted by Count Dooku. :)

MTFBWY and HH!!

Jar Jar Binks

derek
05-01-2002, 05:32 PM
jar jar,

the anakin saber you referenced in the photo never makes it to the arena or hanger duel. as jedi clint pointed out, it is destroyed, before he is captured, in a droid making machine.

vader's saber from the original trilogy was made from a 1940's era camera flash called a "heiland 3 cell flashgun".

i'm sure lucas wanted anakin's saber to have a connection to the OT so he had anakin construct a saber similar to the one he'll use as vader.

if you're wondering about the blue saber the "hanger duel" anakin comes with, it is the wrong saber. the extra one dooku comes with is probably closer to the correct one.

DeadEye
05-01-2002, 09:18 PM
Obi-Wan's saber was lost on Naboo in the pit. He constructed a new one that's almost exactly the same.

Anakin did the same after his first saber was destroyed on Geonosis. His second saber, similar to the first one, is the one Luke uses in ANH and ESB.

Vader's saber is the same as his first two, but it's black and has a synthetic Sith crystal for a red blade.

Luke's green-bladed saber from ROTJ is based on Obi-Wan's from ANH.

Dak Powers
05-02-2002, 12:08 AM
Wait! I could have swore that Obi-Wan told Luke that his new lightsaber (in ANH) belonged to his father... If it weren't 11:15, I'd confirm that.

I might be wrong, though.

2-1B
05-02-2002, 12:26 AM
In the novel, didn't Obi-Wan toss his saber to Anakin during the duel? So he must be using a random green one, plus Kenobi's blue blade. He must construct a new one before Episode III.

derek
05-02-2002, 01:08 AM
Dak Powers,

you are correct. that is why i believe the saber given to luke in episode 4 will be used by anakin in episode 3.

jblodgett
05-02-2002, 10:37 AM
Here's the deal...... this is FULL of spoilers-- so make sure you want to read ahead.

Anakin's lightsaber- prior to going to Genosis- is the blue-bladed lightsaber that looks almost identical to Darth Vader's lightsaber. It is the one you have pictured above as Anakin's AOTC saber.

When Anakin goes to Genosis to rescue Obiwan, that blue lightsaber is destroyed. It gets caught in a piece of machinery as Anakin is fighting some Genosian warriors. That blue lightsaber is destroyed.

Obiwan's lightsaber is similar, but not exactly the same, as the blue-bladed lightsaber he used in The Phantom Menace. The Phantom Menace lightsaber was kicked down the shaft, and supposedly has never been recovered. (neat toy for some non-jedi kid) Obiwan constructed a new lightsaber which was very similar.

When Obiwan goes to Genosis, he is captured, and his blue bladed lightsaber is taken away/confiscated.

Obiwan and Anakin and Padme are tied onto the big pillar things, where they are to be eaten by the Reek, Nexu, and other critter. As they fight those mean critters, the Jedi appear at the scene. This begins the whole jedi v. droid army scene.

During this battle- Anakin and Obiwan are given "spare" lightsabers. Obiwan is given a blue-bladed lightsaber. Anakin is given a green-bladed lightsaber. They fight the droid army with these lightsabers.

Eventually- Obiwan (with blue-bladed lightsaber) and Anakin (with green-bladed lightsaber) go off to fight Dooku. Anakin rushes in to attack Dooku, and Dooku uses force lightning on him- flinging him across the room. Obiwan moves in and begins to fight Dooku. During the course of their fight, Dooku wounds Obiwan. Obiwan falls to the floor. As Dooku is about to strike Obiwan down, Anakin blocks Dooku's blade.

Anakin and Dooku now fight- and Dooku is whipping Anakin's butt. Obiwan calls out to Anakin and throws Anakin his lightsaber. Anakin now fights with his newly acquired green lightsaber (the one he was thrown in the arena) in his right hand and Obiwan's blue lightsaber (the one he was thrown in the arena) in his left hand. Now Anakin begins kicking Dooku's butt.

But Anakin is impetuous and inexperienced, and in his anger his right arm (the one holding the green lightsaber) is chopped off by Dooku.

Enter Yoda... Eventually, Dooku apparently picks up the green lightsaber Anakin was using.


I hope this clears up some confusion....


The lightsaber Luke uses in ANH and ESB is supposed to be the lightsaber Anakin makes next. It is not the blue-bladed lightsaber Anakin uses in AOTC. Anakin makes another lightsaber which is very similar- which is what Luke gets in ANH.

The lightsaber Obiwan uses in ANH is somewhat of an anomoly. There has not been a lightsaber used by Obiwan yet which really resembles it. Perhaps that lightsaber is not made by Obiwan until he goes into isolation on Tatooine.

The lightsaber Luke uses in ROTJ is supposed to be similar to the one Obiwan used in ANH.

Dak Powers
05-02-2002, 11:43 AM
Ben has the materials in his hovel that are required to make a lightsaber, as said in Shadows of the Empire... So perhaps he makes it there. But then again, I rely too much on EU stuff :)

pthfnder89
05-02-2002, 03:16 PM
jblodgett - Thanks a bunch for posting all of that. I basically knew all of it before, but it's much easier to have a timeline like that to figure things out :) Plus, I've been staying away from the Novel and the comic because I don't want to know everything yet, so this helps me a bunch trying to figure out some of this lightsaber stuff. :)

RooJay
05-02-2002, 10:29 PM
Thanks jblodgett, but to continue my argument from a similar thread, what leads you to believe that Obi Wan's blue lightsaber from Ep. was never recovered, and what leads you to believe that his blue lightsaber in AOTC is not the same one? Show us your proof man!;)

jblodgett
05-03-2002, 09:44 AM
LOL... well the proof is that the lightsabers look different.

If you look at the visual dictionary for Obiwan's lightsaber in episode I, and then look at the visual dictionary for Obiwan's lightsaber in Episode II- you'll see they are two differently crafted lightsabers.

RooJay
05-03-2002, 04:41 PM
...but if you look at Luke's lightsaber from ANH and compare it to what has been established to be the SAME lightsaber in ESB you will see that there is about the same amount of difference as there is in Obi's two lightsabers. They tweaked the design for AOTC is all. At least in my opinion.

bigbarada
05-04-2002, 01:07 AM
jblodgett, your comment about Obi-Wan's lost lightsaber in Ep1 making a great toy for some non-Jedi kid would probably be what the Jedi Council would think too. Thus I think they would make it a point that Obi-Wan not leave Naboo until the saber was recovered, even if it is in pieces. Same with Darth Maul's. If nothing else they would at least try to salvage the crystals. Seems pretty irresponsible of them to just leave lightsabers laying around for anyone to pick up.

2-1B
05-04-2002, 01:48 AM
"for anyone to pick up" ? ? ?
Do the Naboo send kids down into reactor cores for routine maintenance / garbage collecting? :p

Okay, serious question now: How deep is that shaft supposed to be? I just assumed it was super deep, impossible to journey down, so lightsabers and hacked up Sith Lords would be unattainable. Maybe there's energy or something that makes it impassible . . . ?

derek
05-04-2002, 11:12 AM
caeser,

i doubt the shaft would be impossible to journey down, since it was most likely built by someone who had to travel down there, unless it eventually opens up into the core of the planet...;)

by the way, did anyone notice that when obi-wan sliced maul's saber in two that both blades were still working? until i recently watched the scene in super slo-motion, i thought only one blade was useable, but if you look closely, the blade in maul's right hand goes flying ,and while still activated, burns into the wall behind him.

RooJay
05-05-2002, 06:14 PM
COOL! I never noticed that. I'll have to check it out later.

Darth Pen
05-08-2002, 02:56 AM
Perhaps Obi-Wan doesn 't recover his AOTC lightsaber and builds a new one that resembles his ANH one. Or he could build the ANH one during his time on Tattoine while waiting for Luke to grow up. The reason I heard why he built an identical lightsaber was partially because Ewan really loved his one from TPM. They let him use it and just changed the story to say he built an exact copy of it. I think Ewan even got to keep it. Now some possible spoiler material:





I had always heard when Anakin turned, him and Obi-Wan had a huge lightsaber battle. I always assumed Obi-Wan was responsible for the cybernetic arm first seen in ROTJ. Now we know what really happened with the arm. It probabliy will happen that Anakin and Obi-wan will duel in E3 and when Anakin falls in the lava pit(also what I heard happens too) the lightsaber will be left on the ground and Obi-Wan either takes it for sentimental memories of his lost padawn or because at this point he knows of the offspring. He probably thinks Anakin wouldn 't survive. But when Anakin comes out of the lava pit and gains his life support system and is reborn into Darth Vader he probably constructs the red blade model off the basis of his E3 and AOTC models. Also some possible speculation is that Anakin has a rematch with Dooku over the arm and when he strikes him down he becomes Sidious's new apprentice because like after TPM he won't have time to train a new one. And he follows him because I don't know what the Palpatine/Sidous connection is yet but if you read the novel, Anakin has more respect for Palpatine than he does the Jedi Council. Just my 80cents thrown in.