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Battle Droid
05-05-2002, 07:51 PM
I understand how they can't sense Yoda on Dagobah because of the " Cave " but why can't they sense Obi-Wan on Tatooine?

Dryanta
05-05-2002, 08:14 PM
I always thought that because of"masive lifeform readings" they wouldn't get a blip on Yoda.the cave is interesting though.
As far as Obi wan goes maybe he was projecting a shield or a block of some kind over both himself and Luke to keep vader from sensing them both.Some one may have been with Leia as well.I really have no idea

Beast
05-05-2002, 08:22 PM
Anakin may have let his former master go as the last act of kidness possible after he became Vader. Vader also probably figured that Obi-Wan was no longer a threat to the Emporer or himself, so let him go to think on the fact that it's all his fault that the Jedi's were killed. Sometimes letting someone live with their guilt, is a much crueler punishment then killing them. :evil: After all, in ANH Vader tells Ben, "You should not have come back." :D

MTFBWY and HH!!

Jar Jar Binks

Battle Droid
05-05-2002, 09:46 PM
That makes sense Jar Jar. :D

bigbarada
05-06-2002, 01:41 AM
I'm beginning to think that Yoda's job was to watch over Leia, while Obi-Wan was to watch over Luke. Yoda is powerful enough to protect her and shield her from dark side detection from a distant planet, Obi-Wan is not. This would also help explain why Yoda was so reluctant to train Luke. If he believed Luke could do it why would he have to be convinced to train him?

Arrogant Arse
05-06-2002, 12:40 PM
This is the Difinitive reason the Emperor and Vader could not find Kenobi!!!!

They called directory assistance looking for "Obi-Wan Kenobi," but the operator could not find him. He was listed under "Ben Kenobi" at that time, and the operator couldn't find his number, so he slipped by Vader and the Emperor's wide ranging search.

And that's canon from G.Lu himself!!!








-ok. maybe not

icatch9
05-06-2002, 01:17 PM
How about this? A trimmer in the force can only be detected if someone is using the force (even if that person doesnít know they are using it). If Yoda and Obi Wan stopped using their powers then they would just blend in with the rest of the life forms.

More over one may not be able to detect a trimmer in the force so far away. Remember Qui Gon didn't sense Anakin until they landed on the planet. Luke didn't know Vader was on the Star Destroyer until the shuttle he was on with Han and Chewy passed right by it. Vader didn't sense Ben Kenobi until they were on the Death Star together.

So, if Vader thought Yoda and Obi Wan to be dead then he would not bother looking for them. Especially on unimportant systems like Tatooine and Degobah.

Finally there is so much that we do not understand about the force. It is not explained to well. We do not know itís limits or if it is unlimited. We will probably never know. That is what makes Star Wars so great. Itís the myths and the unexplained that keep us wanting more.

JediTricks
05-06-2002, 09:52 PM
1) It's my belief that Force-users cannot detect other Force-users unless they have had fairly recent and close contact with each other.

2) It's my belief that the Emperor and Vader detected Luke's entry into the Force was due to someone becoming a new Force-user.

I don't think there's any reason to believe that the Emp and Vader *should* be able to sense Obi-Wan or Vader during "the Dark Times".

Taichi
05-07-2002, 10:26 AM
Well, Anakin isn't FROM Tatooine, but he grew up there.....

so, the place Obi Wan went (With Luke), was the place Vader would NEVER expect........

his home planet.....

C'mon......it makes perfect sense!

preacher
05-09-2002, 02:11 PM
Adding to Taichi's thoughts Tatooine is a place that Vader wants to forget because it was their that Anakin really ceased to be. There is too much pain at the planet for Vader to even want to step foot on it. Since this is the Classic Trilogy section and not the EPII spoiler section I'm not going to say why Tatooine triggers painful memories. Even though everyone in the forums probably already knows why...

The emperor leaves the dirty work to Vader and does not dirty his hands with hunting down the Jedi. Plus maybe he thinks that since there are so few left they really don't pose much of a threat. I think it would be beneath a sith in his eyes to try to hunt down every single jedi, he is much more allusive than that.

saladin
05-09-2002, 05:34 PM
i like icatch9 reson

atomicmaniac
05-15-2002, 02:57 PM
Vader and the Emperor become aware of Luke for the first time at the battle of Yavin 4, when Vader comes up behind Luke he says "the force is strong with this one". He did not, however sense hos presence on the Death Star. Maybe Luke was overshadowed by Obi-Wan who was of course very strong. But it was after Yavin 4 that Darth Vader made a effort to find him.

Bel-Cam Jos
05-17-2002, 06:08 PM
I've always thought the reason why Yoda became "sick" was that he was Force-exhausted. I believe Yoda had been using his strength to keep himself and Dagobah hidden, and knowing Luke had been trained by Kenobi, the Emperor used his powersw to search for others. This meant Yoda'd have to exert more energy to keep himself undetected, wearing him down physically.

As to Obi-Wan, he could be doing to same on Tattooine. I like the "can't sense me if I don't use the Force" theory, too.

MikeAndTheBots
05-17-2002, 08:36 PM
Originally posted by bigbarada
I'm beginning to think that Yoda's job was to watch over Leia, while Obi-Wan was to watch over Luke. Yoda is powerful enough to protect her and shield her from dark side detection from a distant planet, Obi-Wan is not. This would also help explain why Yoda was so reluctant to train Luke. If he believed Luke could do it why would he have to be convinced to train him?
That's why he says "No there is another" when Kenobi says "That boy was our last hope". Makes sense really.

darthvyn
05-20-2002, 12:22 PM
okay, ben is hiding on darth vader's home planet?

the reason why they aren't hunted down by the emperor and vader is that they aren't hiding. this has to do with my theory on the "balance of the force." as i have posted earlier, yoda says "only two there are, a master and an apprentice. no more, no less," about the sith. and in a new hope, and empire, we know that there are tow jedi still alive. this is the balance, two jedi, two sith. they aren't hiding, they are allowed to live, so that there is balance.