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Sith Vicious
05-16-2002, 10:45 PM
What things in AOTC did you guys notice that will mess up the expanded universe stuff. Obviously, the origin of the Death Star has been significantly altered, as well as the lightsaber colors which I brought up in another thread. Anything else?

Beast
05-16-2002, 10:52 PM
It doesn't mess up any of the EU, as the movies are the only official canon. The movies and Holonet News...because it's written, controlled, and run 100% by Lucasfilm. If the EU does not fit in the official canon, then no big deal. They are only expanded stories, and not part of the true official timeline. :)

MTFBWY and HH!!

Jar Jar Binks

Sith Vicious
05-16-2002, 11:00 PM
Guess what? I know that. If you don't like the EU thats fine. Some of us enjoy trying to fit it in with the movies whether it's canon or not. Lucas can do whatever he wants since its his baby, but that doesn't change the fact that the EU exists. If you have such a dismissive attitude about it, why would you waste your time viewing an EU thread anyway? :confused:

El Chuxter
05-17-2002, 03:33 PM
Lightsabers--they seem to be pretty commonly destroyed. Folks just built better ones.

Death Star--Raith had the idea initial, who gave it to Tarkin, who gave it to Palpatine, who gave it to Dooku and the Geonosians to design. The Battle of Geonosis delayed plans significantly. Tarkin took what was developed by the Geonosians, had Bevel Lemelisk perfect them and draw up detailed schematics, and it was built in the Maw Installation.

See--no problems at all. :)

QLD
05-17-2002, 04:52 PM
I agree. It works for me!

Bel-Cam Jos
05-17-2002, 07:21 PM
Palpatine to Anakin quote: "So, they finally gave you a mission." Kinda ruins the entire Jedi Quest series, doesn't it? :eek:

Obviously all the Owen Lars/Obi-Wan Kenobi relationships.

Mandalorian armor? Was there ever such a thing, now?

Eternal Padawan
05-20-2002, 12:55 AM
The Jango Fett comic totally redoes the Mandalorian storyline and even reworks the Jaster Mereel conflict (supposedly Boba's real name, now possibly an alias he uses when he goes to Concorde Dawn) into the new storyline. Pretty cool.

Palaptine is referring to Anakin getting a SOLO mission. All his others were with Obi Wan (so far). Even the mission in the novel The Approaching Storm is referenced in the movie when Mace says "Obi Wan has just returned from a border dispute on Ansion."

I think the DS continuity is going to get tossed out the window and Naboo will suffer in Episode III just as Alderaan did in IV.

chaerulez
05-20-2002, 01:15 AM
Isn't Owen suppose to be the half brother or brother of Obi-Wan?

Bel-Cam Jos
05-20-2002, 12:05 PM
Originally posted by chaerulez
Isn't Owen suppose to be the half brother or brother of Obi-Wan?
That was the established story, chaerulez, but if you haven't seen AOTC yet, I'll refrain from telling you what that film clarifies. Well, this IS a spoiler thread, so I can say it: Owen Lars in Anakin's step-brother.

EP, after I saw AOTC a second time, I realized that his "first solo mission" was mentioned.

Remember one of the "Tales of the Jedi" stories where Mandalore was an actual character with a face or helmet that looked like Fett's helmet? Wonder if that's dead now.

The burns on Obi-Wan after fighting Dooku seemed to have blood; this lightsabers-caturize-wounds thing is not consistent.

El Chuxter
05-20-2002, 01:24 PM
Tuskens. . . oh boy.

Do different tribes have different social standings for women and children?

Is the "indistinguishable gender" thing a sort of defense the Tuskens come up with after AOTC to prevent another massacre?

Or--my theory--could it be possible that Hoole only travelled with a Tusken war party in TISWU, never seeing the settlements in which women live?

Eternal Padawan
05-21-2002, 09:43 AM
Hoole never left the cantina. He just got buzzed on Juri Juice and watched the pretty dancers and listened to the Modal nodes than wrote a bunch of crap since he knew no one would ever feel the need to go to Tatooine and verify his "findings" by hanging out with Tuskens... problem solved.

Where's my No-prize? ;)

Bel-Cam Jos
05-21-2002, 04:32 PM
Originally posted by Eternal Padawan
Where's my No-prize? ;)
Wow, there's a blast from the past. I remember when people didn't propose corrections but simply criticized the writers/artists for their prize. EP, did you get ever request or receive one? I recall someone who mentioned a misspelling of "the spice mines of Kessel" as the "SPINE mines." The letter writer said "Does See-Threepio drink INED tea?" Sad... :(

Sidiously Darth
05-21-2002, 11:44 PM
Originally posted by Sith Vicious
as well as the lightsaber colors which I brought up in another thread. Anything else?

What do you mean by the colors? I've read quite a bit of EU stuff and don't recall an issue over color. Heck, Corran Horn's first saber was silver.

Wolfwood319
05-22-2002, 12:12 AM
Originally posted by chaerulez
Isn't Owen suppose to be the half brother or brother of Obi-Wan?

I've read a few of the EU books, some comics, etc. but the first I heard of this was when people were talking about the "new" relationship set up in AOTC (i.e. Anakin/Owen stepbrothers.) Where was this first established?

Beast
05-22-2002, 12:34 AM
I think it appears in the Novelization for Return of the Jedi. It's more to the scene where Obi-Wan is talking with Luke on Dagobah after Yoda's death. It was also in the third draft of the shooting script. Here is what appears.

BEN
Hmm. To protect you both from the Emperor, you were hidden from your father when you were born. The Emperor knew, as I did, if Anakin were to have any offspring, they would be a threat to him. That is the reason why your sister remains safely anonymous.

LUKE
Leia! Leia's my sister.

BEN
Your insight serves you well. Bury your feelings deep down, Luke. They do you credit. But they could be made to serve the Emperor.

Luke looks into the distance, trying to comprehend all this.

BEN (continuing his narrative)
When your father left, he didn't know your mother was pregnant. Your mother and I knew he would find out eventually, but we wanted to keep you both as safe as possible, for as long as possible. So I took you to live with my brother Owen on Tatooine... and your mother took Leia to live as the daughter of Senator Organa, on Alderaan.

Luke turns, and settles near Ben to hear the tale.

BEN (attempting to give solace with his words)
The Organa household was high-born and politically quite powerful in that system. Leia became a princess by virtue of lineage... no one knew she'd been adopted, of course. But it was a title without real power, since Alderaan had long been a democracy. Even so, the family continued to be politically powerful, and Leia, following in her foster father's path, became a senator as well. That's not all she became, of course... she became the leader of her cell in the Alliance against the corrupt Empire. And because she had diplomatic immunity, she was a vital link for getting information to the Rebel cause. That's what she was doing when her path crossed yours... for her foster parents had always told her to contact me on Tatooine, if her troubles became desperate.

So Obi-Wan's relation to Owen was once quasi canon, but has been re-written. Proving that even the novels, since they are based on the early scripts for the movies can be considered non-canon in some regards. Rumors suggest that this scene may actually even been filmed. You can read more here (http://www.cinescape.com/starwars/Editorial.asp?aff_id=24&this_cat=Cut+Scenes+Archive&action=page&obj_id=24801). :)

MTFBWY and HH!!

Jar Jar Binks

Eternal Padawan
05-22-2002, 09:49 AM
Heh. Do you think Luke ever got bummed when he learned Leia got to live the high life in posh and privelege and he got stuck tending vaporators at the assend of space? I'd be mooey mooey upsettin.

Sith Vicious
05-22-2002, 10:54 PM
Originally posted by Sidiously Darth


What do you mean by the colors? I've read quite a bit of EU stuff and don't recall an issue over color. Heck, Corran Horn's first saber was silver.


Most of the Ep. 1 comics/figures have the council members with various colored lightsabers. Ki has purple, Adi Galia has red, Plo has yellow etc, etc. During the filming of Ep. 2, George apparently decided the good guys were only going to use blue/green (except for Mace) and the bad guys red. The Ep. 2 Plo and Sassee reflect this change. I was wondering how they would address it in the comics . I can't remember if Coran inherited his saber or built it. If he built it, it's not a problem since whatever reason the Jedi used certain colors has been lost during their extermination. If he inherited it, an explanation could be in order.

Eternal Padawan
05-22-2002, 11:24 PM
Corran built his own lightsaber. it has two settings, one is a regular length blade and the other is a double sized blade of a different color.

Sith Vicious
05-23-2002, 11:07 PM
Originally posted by Eternal Padawan
Heh. Do you think Luke ever got bummed when he learned Leia got to live the high life in posh and privelege and he got stuck tending vaporators at the assend of space? I'd be mooey mooey upsettin.

He was probably too busy puking after he found out she was his sister considering how he was in love with her in ANH. :eek: