Difference between Digital and Film versions?

[bobafett07728]

Some guy at the showing I went to yesterday said that the digital movie was acually longer than the more common version. He said that there were many more scenes, and other nonsense I had a hard time beleiving. Does anyone know if this is actually valid, and that the Digital Movie is in fact longer. I doubt it is, but maybe someone else has a real answer for me. I don';t want to trek to a Digital theater for the same movie I can see down the raod.

[Jedi Clint]

I believe Rick M. mentioned an extra scene in the Digital version.

[pthfnder89]

Originally posted by bobafett07728
Some guy at the showing I went to yesterday said that the digital movie was acually longer than the more common version. He said that there were many more scenes, and other nonsense I had a hard time beleiving. Does anyone know if this is actually valid, and that the Digital Movie is in fact longer. I doubt it is, but maybe someone else has a real answer for me. I don';t want to trek to a Digital theater for the same movie I can see down the raod.

I can't say for sure because I won't have seen the digital version until this weekend. But I''m with you. I severly doubt there is any extra scene.

Besides, if there was, I'm sure someone here would have noticed it before now. Several people have seen it boths ways and no one has noticed any differences. :)

[juleswindu]

Did anybody see both the celluloid and the digital versions of the film? I heard there is 11 minutes more in digital projection theaters. And at Celebration II, Rick McCallum confirmed that the two versions would be different.

[Beast]

Welcome to the forums, but please check out the following thread: Please take time to read and search this forum before starting a new topic. (http://www.sirstevesguide.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=8381)

As for the topic of the Digital version of the film, there was rumors of an additional short scene added for the Digital showings of the film, but no confirmation as of yet. It's definatly not 11 minutes. Check this thread: http://www.sirstevesguide.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=8367

MTFBWY and HH!!

Jar Jar Binks

[Jedi Clint]

Thank you Representative Binks!!! :)

[Beast]

Originally posted by Jedi Clint
Thank you Representative Binks!!! :)
Youssa welcome. Just trying to do my part in keeping the forums neat and tidy.
As well as directing people to the information they seek. :)

MTFBWY and HH!!

Jar Jar Binks

[Magnolia-Fan]

Originally posted by Jedi Clint
I believe Rick M. mentioned an extra scene in the Digital version.

I thought he dodged that question. I could be wrong, but here's what I remember...

Somebody asked him if the digital version would have extra scenes, and he said something like, "You'll have to go see both versions (digital and film) to find out."

[Jedi Clint]

Originally posted by Magnolia-Fan


I thought he dodged that question. I could be wrong, but here's what I remember...

Somebody asked him if the digital version would have extra scenes, and he said something like, "You'll have to go see both versions (digital and film) to find out."

That could be MF. I thought he said there might be an extra scene.


Originally posted by JarJarBinks

Youssa welcome. Just trying to do my part in keeping the forums neat and tidy.
As well as directing people to the information they seek. :)

MTFBWY and HH!!

Jar Jar Binks

I appreciate it.

[Magnolia-Fan]

Originally posted by Jedi Clint


That could be MF.

Who are you calling "MF"?!?!?!? ;)

[Darth Pen]

Yeah there is one slight variation that I caught. At the end during the wedding.

In the reg. version his mechanical hand is seen but Padme holds his real hand.

In the digital version, the join hands both mecanical and real ones.

That was the only difference I caught but there could be more.

[Tycho]

Darth Pen is exactly right. I didn't catch any other difference, but the wedding.

I actually prefer that scene in non-digital. Anakin is ashamed to give her his artificial hand - a sign of his failure (in his mind). They marry holding their left hands (off to a bad start already).

In the digital (I've seen both versions twice now) Padme takes his artificial hand as well, accepting Anakin for who he is.

I did NOT notice any other differences between the two versions and YES I was looking and concentrating very hard.

I discovered sniffing the Mouse Droid, so you can rest assured that nothing gets past ME! :)


[oh, but please see the film in digital! It does make such a difference in picture and sound quality! It looks so REAL in digital! - Wow!]

[DeadEye]

Tycho, I saw the digital version--and I promise you, when I saw it, Anakin kept his robot hand down and they were wed only with their left hands! So maybe there are two different digital versions...? :confused:

[Tycho]

I couldn't answer that since we have one digital theater here and I saw the movie twice in that same theater (thus I was seeing the same copy of Clones).

We'll need other people to comment. However, the same theater had Star Wars playing on 4 other screens and all those were NOT digital. So it's possible to see the movie in San Diego's Mission Valley AMC 20 and NOT see it digital since only 1 of their theaters is upgraded. (uh - that's the one with the longest line, hint-hint)

If you are seeing it digital, after the movie previews, they will make a point of broadcasting some kind of digital sound demonstration with a neon colored tornado and some sort of CGI color effects flying around before the movie actually starts. It will stop and say it's a digital theater at the end of this "commercial."

Dead-Eye, since they filmed the whole movie digitally, it's still very possible that you DID see it digital and it was a different cut than mine, BUT I wanted to point out to everyone that just because you go to a digital theater, it doesn't mean that every screen they have SW showing on will be digital. When you buy your tickets, you have to ask.

[DeadEye]

The entire AMC 30 I went to wasn't digital, but the screen for AOTC that I saw was. I could tell the difference in video and sound, and there were various ads in the beginning saying, "Thank you for choosing North Barry AMC Digital. The way movies were meant to be seen," and stuff like that. :D

[Jargo]

What's digital?

[JediIan]

I saw both versions of the film, i saw the digital version at a midnight madness show and i saw the film roll version at 1PM the same day, anyway, i DID notice 1 difference in the film, in the last sequence (the wedding) in the film version there is not a clear shot of Padme holding Anakin's robo-hand, however in the digital version, as they embrace with the first set of hands, they also embrace the second set with the robot hand, a very minor difference but i picked it up.

[skyywalkerr]

There were a couple little tweaks in the Coruscant chase scene, and I believe an added shot of Obi Wan landing the speeder. I have to see it again I think to make sure

[AmanaMatt]

Keep in mind I realize non digital is a print and digital is not, and I'm not trying to make this up or cause any unnecessary controversy, but when I saw AOTC for the first time at the Chinese (digital), the shot at the wedding where you see Anakin's mechanical hand - I could have sworn he reached up and held Amidala's left hand with his, then you see the camera pan up towards the last shot.

The second time I saw the movie was at the Pacific Paseo is Pasadena, Ca (Nondigital - and horrible quality in comparison), well, we see the mechanical hand this time kind of glimmer in the light, but it remains at his side, then the camera pans up.

I could have been asleep at the wheel, but this seemed to jump out at me. I thought I was really paying attention to the hand the first time I saw the movie 'cause I thought the hand itself was kind odd looking, and not the way I would have pictured it. When I was at the Pacific, the glimmer of the hand was the first thing that seemed to jump out at me....cause I hadn't noticed it before.

I thought it was woth mentioning 'cause when I compared notes with my buddy - who was at both screenings as well with me, I asked him if anything seemed different, and he acknowledged that he felt that it had possible changed...I dunno.

Anyone?

[CrunchyNug]

I too have seen both versions - celluloid & digital. Other than a difference in color and clarity, I couldn't notice anything...until that last scene.

I saw the film version first and definitely noticed that mechanical hand at the end. But during the digital version, Padme GRABBING his mechanical hand really stood out!!! And I thought I was seeing things. Now I know that I'm not alone. :D

[stillakid]

In today's LA Times (Monday May 27, 2002 page F8: Are Days of Film Numbered?), Rick McCallum is quoted as saying, "A week (before the release), he was still re-shooting a couple of shots that were too late for the film but will make it into the digital version."

I plan on seeing the digital version sometime this week, but haven't yet. Anybody know which shots these were and where to look for them?

[Beast]

The only shot I know for sure, is the fact that Padme takes Anakin's mechanical hand and holds it after they wed. Instead of Anakin just leaving it down at his side. You can read more about it here:

http://www.sirstevesguide.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=8367

As for any others, no clue as of yet. Though I am sure there are more minor differences if McCallum said scenes. :)

MTFBWY and HH!!

Jar Jar Binks

[JEDIpartner]

I just saw the movie again on Sunday and I noticed a difference in dialogue in the DIGITAL VERSION! I had seen it at the same digital theatre two other times and suddenly, the dialogue in the arena had been changed!!! What is up with that??? The versions I had seen on the 16th and on the 23rd (at the same theatre, as I stated before), had Obi-Wan saying... "I'll take the one on the right and you take the one on the left" (or something like that). When I saw it on Sunday (same screen at the theatre) and Obi-Wan said, "Relax... and concentrate". Has anyone else noticed this??

[Croaker]

The non digital one has the line 'relax and concentrate.'

[JEDIpartner]

They BOTH have it now! I saw the digital presentation on two Thursdays- the 16th and the 23rd (the original "You take..." line was still there) and on Sunday the 26th (the line was replaced). That completely floored me! I know it was the DLP version because they ran the DLP bit at the start and it was followed by the "Technicolour Digital" bit... then the film started. It was also in the DIGITAL ONLY room at the CINEMA.

[pthfnder89]

Originally posted by JEDIpartnr
They BOTH have it now! I saw the digital presentation on two Thursdays- the 16th and the 23rd (the original "You take..." line was still there) and on Sunday the 26th (the line was replaced). That completely floored me! I know it was the DLP version because they ran the DLP bit at the start and it was followed by the "Technicolour Digital" bit... then the film started. It was also in the DIGITAL ONLY room at the CINEMA.

That's interesting. Personally I much prefer the second "Relax..." line, as it makes more sense considering that they simply wind up pairing off with whichever animal attacks them. Plus it gives a little nod to the fact that Anakin is still a student and lets Obi Wan stay in line with his cool-headed image. :)

I plan on seeing the Digital version this weekend, but I know that the "Relax..." line has been in both of the film viewings I've seen.

[Tycho]

JediPartnr: I think you're seeing these films on prints sent to England, right?

I've see the non-digital twice and the digital 3 times now.

They all have the lines "Relax, concentrate..."

This is San Diego, California.

I've NEVER heard him say "I'll take the one on the right...or whatever."

I believe you. But I think we're seeing different copies. Thanks for bringing that up.

By the way, in my version, there's always this big guy in the audience that has to start coughing :rolleyes:

[JEDIpartner]

No... actually... I've seen the film in Cleveland, OH...

[JediTricks]

The digital version I saw on opening day at the Chinese had the Acklay escaping its "trainers" and killing the poor beasty that brought Anakin and Padme out to the arena, as well as knocking that beast's cart over and causing trouble for the trainers.

However, in the non-digital version of the film I saw at the Los Feliz Vista theater last Saturday, this scene was missing.

As for image quality differences, the digital had an artificial feeling in the camera motion (a "fish eye" feeling) and more artificial when CG characters moved quickly. The film version was brighter in most places and looked just as good in most respects except in scenes that were filmed dark like the "fireplace" scene, then it looked like a digital camera couldn't decide what it was looking at and interpolated pixels that didn't quite match (giving the look a granular feeling).

[JEDIpartner]

Curious... my mum felt the other way about it. She had seen it with me on the 16th and then on the 17th with her friend. She said the film version looked "terrible" and she wanted to see it on the digital projection again.

Very odd.

[OC47150]

The closest digital theatre in my area is 2 hours away, and some friends are thinking about going in the next couple of weeks.

During the conversation/invitation to see AOTC digitally, my friend told me there is 10 minutes of extra footage added to digital prints only.

Has anyone else heard or read about this? My friend telling me was the first I'd heard about it.

[JEDIpartner]

Read this first... (http://www.sirstevesguide.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=8381)

Then go here... (http://www.sirstevesguide.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=8367)

That should help you here at SSG, my very young Padawan... :happy:

[OC47150]

My mistake, Master. And thanks!

[OC47150]

My mistake, Master. Thanks!

[darthvyn]

Originally posted by Tycho
By the way, in my version, there's always this big guy in the audience that has to start coughing :rolleyes:

dude, in digital, the guy coughing sounds sooooo real. i also heard that there's an extra 11 minutes of the guy coughing. that should be really cool.

actually, i haven't seen the digital yet, but can't wait.

[Exhaust Port]

I didn't notice any different scenes in the Digital vs. Analog movies. I didn't notices that the Analog movie had blurry edges in certain scenes. In fact it seemed to fade in and out as the scenes played through. Anyone else notice this? Maybe it was the film guy screwing around upstairs. The digital image was crisp from corner to corner. My popcorn even tasted better! :)

[darthvyn]

finally saw the dig, and it was incredible. the darks were a lot less grainy, and the colors were great.

as for extra footage, well, padme holding the machine hand was definately in it, and i feel that there was extra stuff in the speeder chase.

[plo koon 200]

Several lines of dialogue and other minor changes have already happened to the digital already. There is not a digital priont and the digital is not on film and everysingle version is the same and can be changed at the same time through some sort of a connection and has been.

Rick M said they were filming more scenes and they would add up to be about 11 more minutes from what I know these scenes are still not completed and therefore not in the digital.

The reason why these scenes will not appear in the Analog is because they would actually have to replace the actual print and make a new one which would just cost to much money.

[jedibear]

Saw the digital projection at the Metreon in SF. While the picture was stunning (the colors were richer, the detail much more pronounced...epecially evident right from the beginning with the air traffic in the fog to the crisp imagery of the chase scenes...and the sound mix was better & cleaner, there was one distraction at the showing I saw.....the sound went out of sync a few times during the movie and took more than a few moments to get back on track. It was VERY distracting...it wasn't just me who noticed it...lots of folks were murmering in the theatre when it happened...and always during a quiet scene...
I've experienced this at home a few times with DVD's....I usually just stopped the movie & started it up again and it was fine (I don't have an expensive top-of-the-line player, but it generally gets the job done)....but experiencing this at the theatre was really unfortunate. I'm going to check it out again at the AMC 1000's digital screen this week....hopefully it won't happen again. Has anyone else experienced this at a digitally projected showing?

Also, the only difference in the film I noticed was the hand-holding at the end of the wedding(she takes the mech-hand) and something seemed slightly different about the chase (but it was real minor...just right at the beginning...an angle of Obi-Wan being carried away seemed different...but that arena scene with the dialouge was the same in both versions...I think the confusion might be that the book, graphic novel & original screenplay contained the "You take the one on the left etc..." lines & people are projecting onto the movie...

[Starfig873]

When I saw the digital movie, I felt the CGI was much smoother and cleaner than that of the film version. I was quite impressed with the digital set up. Even more glad I was able to see it at all. :)

[Mandalorian Candidat]

It doesn't look like there are any threads discussing this topic (at least that I've seen) but if there are, my apologies.

I just got back from my vacation in SoCal and had the great opportunity of seeing EP2 on a digital projector (I went to the Irvine Spectrum). I have to say that it looks so much better than on film. I totally agree with Roger Ebert about the quality. It seemed to be a big improvement on the sharpness of the background CG effects, i.e., ships and buildings on Coruscant. However, after a while I just forgot that I was watching a digital reproduction and got into the movie.

I also noticed that there was at least one change with the actual movie content. At the end Ani's fake hand grabs Padme's at the wedding. I've heard on starwars.com that there were other changes made at the last minute after the film prints have been made, but they didn't reveal them. Anyone know what they are?

I hope the proliferation of digital projectors increases at a fast pace. The quality is soooo night and day. I'm glad I had a chance to see it in this format.

Anyone else noticed the difference as well?

[Jedi Clint]

There should be some answers in this thread MC. How was your vacation?

[FKA Broke Collector]

I saw the digital projection at the AMC in Time Square. I agree that the color saturation was better which made the colors more intense. The only problem I saw that continually distracted me through the movie was in high-contrast areas the resolution would break down and you could see pixels. It wasn't something that I was expecting. I am hoping that it was an isolated event that was specific to that projector.

Also, I am wondering if anyone caught this: I just saw the "film" version of the movie for the 3rd time the other day and something I noticed in the scene where Anakin and Obi-Wan are standing outside the doors to Padme's quarters on Coruscant, the background (a kinda shaded area on the wall) is EXTREEMELY grainy. It's in a camera shot where you see Obi-Wan. Anyway, was this grainyness in the digital version? I am inclined to think it wasn't since I didn't notice it at the time. Anybody notice?

[darthvyn]

yes, there definitely was a loss of clarity in the digital to film transfer, so the dark areas were very grainy. on the opposite side of the spectrum (literally and figuritively...) the whites in the dig were very washed out - i think what you were referring to as the high-contrast resolution break down. to me, the washed out whites were a LOT less distracting than the grainy darks.

the question is: did lucas intentionally make the darks grainy in order to get more people to say the digital was better? or was it really a result of the transfer?

[Master Goeweins]

I just saw the Digital print for the second time. I don't know if Digital projectors have come far enough. Yes the colors are phenominal, and it does indeed improve the CG characters on screen. However, there is a distinct problem with the image. When something is even the slightest bit out of focus on camera, you can easily see the pixels. I don't mean that if the projector is out of focus, but an image that is either in the foreground or background that is out of focus.
A clear representation of this is in the meadow with Anakin and Padme. Look around the two of them. The flowers that are naturally out of focus are unpolished. They have jagged edges. You can see the pixels. It is kind of distracting for me at least. It is obvious that this is the fault of the projector and not the original filming camera as it does not appear at the regular theatres. Anyways, I don't think the projectors have come far enough to be a standard yet for regular film. Yes it does great for Star Wars, but they also showed "I am Sam" at that theatre.

Also, I think there is an additional scene of Mace yelling for the Clone Trooper to set the ship down in the Digital print. I saw the regular print two days earlier than the Digital, but just couldn't remember everything.....