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Eternal Padawan
09-15-2001, 04:16 AM
A bunch of upcoming films are being resceduled and/or dumped altogether in the wake of the Tragedy.

Shwarzenegger's Collateral Damage has been pulled off release lists permanently as it deals with a terrorist bombing a building.

Sonnenfeld's Big Trouble with Tim Allen and Rene Russo is being pushed back until spring because it deals with a bomb threat on a plane.

All the Spiderman trailers and Posters are being destroyed because of the WTC references.

MIB2 is being redone because the ending had the WTC turning into giant spaceships or ships flying into them.

I haven't heard anything about the new Jack Ryan film with Ben Affleck Sum of All Fears but it deals with mid east terroists nuking the superbowl, so it reamins to be seen whether they will finish that one.

Episodes of Friends are being digitally altered to remove WTC from background shots.

Anybody heard anything else about the future of cinema in regards to this Tragedy?

Fulit
09-15-2001, 01:05 PM
I haven't heard anything else about cinema, but I heard about a rap group that was forced to change the cover of their CD because it showed them blowing up the WTC.

I tell you one thing though, the word "Attack" is being used so much lately, everytime I think of "Attack of the Clones" I think of "Attack on America". Think they'll change it now?

bigbarada
09-15-2001, 01:34 PM
That's a good point, Fulit. Just like Chrysler retiring the name "Challenger" in the wake of the shuttle disaster back in 1986.

Rollo Tomassi
09-15-2001, 03:31 PM
The Last Castle poster has an American Flag upside down at half mast. they are pulling all posters and releasing new ones.

The Fox Tv Show "24" is about a terrorist blowing up a plane in the pilot episode and each episode after dealing with one hour in th eaftermath. They are debating on changing EVERYTHING Including dialogue in following episodes. the incident is such an integral part of the shows plot, Fox doesn't know what to do.

Jackie Chan's Nosebleed about a WTC window washer thwarting a terrorist bomb threat will have to be completely revamped.

Phone Booth has been delayed until next year also.

Fulit
09-15-2001, 05:12 PM
I can understand taking WTC out of things that are yet to be released, but why go and erase it from episodes of Friends and other shows? What, are we going to pretend the place never existed? Next they'll be burning all the copies of the episode of the Simpsons where they go to New York.

master jedi
09-15-2001, 07:57 PM
I heard they're going to actually cut some scenes out of the Spiderman movie that involve the WTC twin towers like the one in the teaser trailer.

Rollo Tomassi
09-15-2001, 11:34 PM
I think they should leave them in so the towers can "live on" at least on film. I can understand the film makers not wanting to upset people but I think they(the people) realize Spiderman was made before the Tragedy and that we shouldn't shy away from everything concerning the towers...

bigbarada
09-15-2001, 11:37 PM
I think the studios are taking it too far. It's akin to having a death in the family, then burning all the photos of that person to keep from remembering them.

Rollo Tomassi
09-16-2001, 12:39 AM
They are all very jittery and the reactions seem knee jerk. I think by the time Spidey comes out, they may have reconsidered...Somebody should write to them and say "Look. We know the towers were in the movie. Leave them in so they can be immortalized in some way..."

GNT
09-16-2001, 05:51 AM
Originally posted by master jedi
I heard they're going to actually cut some scenes out of the Spiderman movie that involve the WTC twin towers like the one in the teaser trailer.

You've got it wrong from what I have heard :) Whats in the "Spiderman" trailer with the Twin Towers is NOT in the film at all! :)

Obi-Don
09-16-2001, 08:25 AM
I think is a hard call,but I don't think that the WTC should be erased from the flims.I know it brings out the pain and fear and all the anger.But this has happened and it should NEVER beforgotten.We need to hold our heads up,give the one finger salute to the ones who did this and show them that we go on with pride and honor!

GNT
09-16-2001, 08:46 AM
Originally posted by Obi-Don
give the one finger salute to the ones who did this

Don't you think they'll be dead by the time you do that???

JediTricks
09-16-2001, 09:02 AM
I can totally understand many of these changes, it's just too soon to make most of these references IMO, people are going to be feeling the pain for quite a while. This is the 2nd terrorist attack on the WTC that altered the promotions for a Schwarzenegger film, the first was in '93 when a car bomb was blown up there, the giant inflatable Ahnuld used to promote the film had the sticks of dynamite removed from his hand and replaced them with a badge. Almost nobody wants to be reminded of the pain of these real tragedies when they go to a movie or to watch a tv show, since those are there to escape real life.



Originally posted by Rollo Tomassi
Phone Booth has been delayed until next year also.

Yeah, there's a big loss! Joel Schumacher directs a realtime movie of people in a phone booth. It was slated to be the first big studio film to be released shot with digital cameras (yes, before Ep 2), but it looks like that honor is a goner.



Originally posted by Fulit
Next they'll be burning all the copies of the episode of the Simpsons where they go to New York.

Well, IMO they should have burned that ep before it first aired, I thought that was the first real sign of the show's demise, but I think it would be incredibly unwise to show this episode in reruns for at least 6 months, the US isn't ready to be reminded of the tragedies via their escapism entertainment.



Originally posted by master jedi
I heard they're going to actually cut some scenes out of the Spiderman movie that involve the WTC twin towers like the one in the teaser trailer.There never were any scenes with the WTC in Spider-Man, from what Sony and entertainment reporters are saying. The trailer was completely seperate from the actual film.



Originally posted by bigbarada
I think the studios are taking it too far. It's akin to having a death in the family, then burning all the photos of that person to keep from remembering them.

Here's the thing, these are pieces of entertainment, not lost loved ones. The studios don't want to be the first to cheese-off anybody who'll feel angry at seeing the WTC or terrorists in their products because it'll make the studios look bad and insensitive to America, and no business that depends largely on the American populus for their income wants to lose what little respect their customers may have for them.

master jedi
09-16-2001, 06:08 PM
Why the heck would the trailor be seperate from the movie? This makes no sense to me.

JediTricks
09-17-2001, 09:11 AM
It was a tease of the film, long before last week's tragedy there was a confirmation that the scene was never intended to appear in the film but instead just a little piece of what Spidey can do without giving away any real tidbits.


So yesterday, Fox 11 chose to air Mrs. Doubtfire instead of Fox News Channel's feed or ID4, and since Mrs. D is a movie shorter than ID4, they aired an ep of That 70s Show at 7pm... here's why I'm mentioning this: One of the characters, dopey Kelso, is interested in finding out what the main protagonist, Eric, is buying his girlfriend. He then asks if it's firecrackers, and says this line when it originally aired:
...'cause if it's something that blows up, I'll go halvsies.However, there was one change to that line... they blanked out the words "blows up" and they didn't clean it up at all, they left it blank. Very cheesy! In fact, it probably drew more attention to itself than if they had left it in place.

Brave Sir Robin
09-17-2001, 10:29 AM
A digital special effects company Kliezer Walczac, who worked on Stargate, Judge Dredd, Carrie 2 and X-Men were recently told to drop a project they were working on where Santa Claus flies around New York (near the WTC) and chucks presents out of his sleigh which explode toys everywhere. Even though they are only exploding with goodies, they were told to stop animating it because people could take it the wrong way and think it to be innapropriatley tasteless.

I do agree with stuff like removing the rap groups cover which shows destruction of the WTC, but it should stay there on Friends because then it would be like pretending it didn't happen.

El Chuxter
09-17-2001, 10:38 AM
Edits in the short run on upcoming releases are one thing. Going back and editing existing shows and movies is completely different. I know the NYC episode of Simpsons will probably never air again, but I'd like the opportunity to re-view it when the DVD set of that season is released. And, as painful as it would be to see the Twin Towers, I'd like the Spider-Man DVD (assuming the movie's good enough to make me want the DVD) to include this trailer--though probably as a hidden bonus. It was an excellent trailer, and reflects the time in which it was made--before the attacks. Burying it would be one thing, actually destroying it is another.

The digital editing of Friends, if true, is ridiculous, though. Yes, it would be impossible to not address it this season. However, to erase all traces of the towers is akin to saying, "These towers never existed, and five thousand people didn't die in them." That really downplays what happened.

In short, the entertainment industry should use judgment as to what they release or air, but existing shows or movies shouldn't be changed. Should all future releases of AC-DC's Stiff Upper Lip have "I Feel Safe in New York City" removed? Should the opening lyrics to the film version of the Transformers theme ("Something evil's coming over you/Coming from the sky above, and there's nothing you can do") be bleeped out? No, because at what point do you stop? Today, we're denying the prior existence of the Twin Towers. Tomorrow, what if the entertainment industry decides that Bob Dylan's protesting of the Vietnam War is not conducive to the patriotic atmosphere in the country and burns his old recordings?

Fulit
09-17-2001, 11:10 AM
I thought of something else about that moronic rap group with the album cover depicting them blowing up the WTC. In an interview, the "leader" of the group or whatever, said the picture reffered to their disdain for capitalism. read carefully. A MUSICIAN DOESN'T LIKE CAPITALISM. Why, if it wasn't for capitalism, he wouldn't be able to even make a "career" writing his crappy songs and spewing his hypocritical rhetoric. I hate these people that live in this country and reap it's many benefits and then do nothing but put it down and complain about it. If Mr. Whiny Rapper (I don't know the groups name) desn't like capitalism, maybe he should move to China or Cuba. Oh, wait then he might have to get a REAL job.

JediCole
09-17-2001, 11:24 AM
I am pleased to hear that the Spidey scenes were just teaser fodder and not from the film proper. Had they been, that would truly be a knee-jerk reaction (my first thought before I heard the reality of the scene). Delay of terrorist plot films is a good move however. I was just concerned about films that had little more than the presence of the towers were being shelved or altered. I think that the American public realizes that there was a time when the towers still stood and their presence is not as hurtful as their deliberate absence.

master jedi
09-17-2001, 04:39 PM
Originally posted by JediTricks
It was a tease of the film, long before last week's tragedy there was a confirmation that the scene was never intended to appear in the film but instead just a little piece of what Spidey can do without giving away any real tidbits.



If this is true then I think it's pretty stupid, to me, that they did this. I wanted part of the actual movie in the teaser.

GNT
09-18-2001, 01:30 AM
Originally posted by master jedi
If this is true then I think it's pretty stupid, to me, that they did this. I wanted part of the actual movie in the teaser.

Not really,if we had parts from the movie in the trailer, it would have ruined the movie since you'd know parts of it but with WTC Spiderman trailer you'd be surprised when you go to see the movie :)

Rollo Tomassi
09-18-2001, 09:01 AM
I bagged two of the three posters that were supposed to be returned/destroyed at the request of the studios.

Collateral Damage: The entire poster is the color of fire. Orangish red. Arnolds face is on the left side of the poster. On the right side, superimposed over the flames is newspaper text including the headline "Veteran Firefighter's wife and child die in terrorist attack." then in smaller print it has an actual news story relating to the character's personal tragedy. Below that is another headline saying "Assassin still at large." Below that, made to look like another headline in the same paper is the tagline, "What would you do if you lost everything?" the standard titles run across the bottom of the poster.

This I can see pulling. Beside the obvious references to terrorism, the fact that the main character is a firefighter is a little eerie. Plus the story is about a man seeking personal revenge against the perpetrators because the govt doesn't seem interested in helping him track down the man responsible. Here in America right now, the govt. IS doing all it can. And the revenge factor is being discouraged nationwide, by both the media, and the politicians. "Justice" is the word of the day. So I applaud Warner Bros for decidng to wait a long time, if ever, before releasing this film. There are just to many reminders or negative messages, overt or otherwise being sent out if it was released.

The Last Castle: The poster is the somber gray of an overcast day. The titular military prison is at the bottom of the poster in the background, complete with barbed wire fence. In the foreground, dead center of the poster, is a flagpole with an Amaerican flag hanging on it upside down (but not at half mast as was speculated.) The tag line "No castle can have two kings." runs across the top of the poster and the standard titles are at the bottom.

Other than the poster, this film isn't really about terrorism or any other events associated with Tuesday's Tragedy. A flag flying upside down might seem a little cold considering the Tragedy, but it IS the American flag. While I can see the point of view of the studio being jittery about that kind of imagery all across America, I happen to like it. It feels symbolic to me somehow. Our whole world has been turned upside down by these events, so an upside down flag suggests sorrow and uncertainty. But IT IS STILL FLYING. It is still flying and we are still in this fight. I like this poster and am going to hang it on my wall

The third poster, the one I didn't snag, was Spiderman: An extreme close up of Spiderman's mask around his reflective eye piece, in the reflection the New York skyline, including the WTC can be seen. A simple "Coming May 2002" runs across the bottom.

This brings the whole "Are we going to pretend they didn't exist at all?" debate to bear and I have no strong inclinations one way or the other. I would rather they leave them alone, because the more images they have of the towers the better. These towers were an American Icon and just because they are gone doesn't mean we should forget they were ever there. But maybe it's a little soon. I don't know. Does this mean they will have to digitally remove the towers from the upcoming film as well? That's going to be a hard job for the CGI guy working on the film, emotionally, anyway.

Other Movie FYI's Both A.I. and Final Fantasy have the towers still standing in their futuristic environs, so now, technically, they have continuity errors...

master jedi
09-18-2001, 01:56 PM
Originally posted by GNT


Not really,if we had parts from the movie in the trailer, it would have ruined the movie since you'd know parts of it but with WTC Spiderman trailer you'd be surprised when you go to see the movie :)

It wouldn't have ruined the movie for me if they had some parts of the movie in the teaser. I like knowing a little bit about a movie before I see it.

If they did use parts from the movie they could put them togeather in a way so that it is like a 'teaser'.

Rollo Tomassi
09-18-2001, 06:26 PM
Both Ben Stiller's Zoolander and John Cusack's Serendipity are going back to the editing room to remove shots and scenes with the WTC in them. This is becoming an epidemic...:(

Starfig873
09-18-2001, 06:58 PM
I feel rather strongly that these changes...are just unnecessary. I understand completely how the images may bring up bad memories, but the WTC tragedy is apart of us all in one way or another. Theres no escaping it.
But I also realize that the changes are merely a reaction from what happened and maybe they should do it...I don't know. Personally I just don't like it.

derek
09-18-2001, 07:29 PM
right on! i keep wondering ,"where is my cut of "rage against the machine's" profits since they believe socialism is so great!":)

Fulit
09-18-2001, 07:55 PM
derek,
Yep, I know what you mean. Rage Against the "Machine" is one of the main ones guilty of this type of hypocracy. If they want to live in a socialist state, I can't understand why they don't move to China. If they're wanting the U.S. to suddenly turn socialist, that's like wishing the sun would stop setting. It isn't going to happen.
So they should play their little shows, release their little albums, take their money, and shut up like all the rest of the capitalists.

bigbarada
09-19-2001, 07:01 PM
I heard on the radio that a major radio conglomerate published a list of 150 songs that it advises shouldn't be played on the radio. On the list were songs like American Pie by Don McLean; Leavin' on a Jet Plane by Peter, Paul and Mary; pretty much AC/DC's entire catalogue of music; Ring of Fire by Johnny Cash; Imagine by John Lennon; any song with Tuesday in the title or Fire for that matter; etc.

I think we've officially hit 'stupid' mode.

GNT
09-20-2001, 02:18 AM
Originally posted by bigbarada
I think we've officially hit 'stupid' mode.

I thought we were already there!;)

Rollo Tomassi
09-20-2001, 06:09 AM
There is an advocacy group who is also urging video rental places and cable stations to take movies like Die Hard, Armageddon, Deep Impact, Etc out of circulation permanently....nnnngggggg....must...fight...back.. .tidal wave...of ........stupidity..........

Jedi Clint
09-20-2001, 02:29 PM
Agreed. It now appears this tragedy is being used as justification for censorship.

Obi-Dan Kenobi
09-20-2001, 02:30 PM
If you haven't seen the list of songs that were "suggested" to be taken off the playlists of Clear Channel's station, it's good for a laugh. "Killer Queen?" Who's going to associate that with this incident? "St. Elmo's Fire?" Just because it has the word "fire" in the title? "Ruby Tuesday" because these events happened on a Tuesday? "Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da" by the Beatles? I don't even know what to think of that one. Basically, they don't want their stations to play anything aggressive, anything that mentions planes, falling, jumping, death, arabs, the middle east, the sky, travelling, or sorrow. And some of them make no sense at all. To see the site, go to www.####edcompany.com/extras/clearchannel_email.cfm, but replace the #'s with a word that's not appropriate here.

Another funny thing is that they reccomend not playing ANY of Rage Against the Machine's catalog. I understand what they're getting at, but I still think it's kind of funny.
:)

El Chuxter
09-20-2001, 03:02 PM
Originally posted by Obi-Dan Kenobi
"Killer Queen?" Who's going to associate that with this incident?

Well, I've heard from disreputable sources that terrorists keep Moet et Chandon in a pretty cabinet and say, "Let them eat cake," just like Marie Antoinette. :D

Fulit
09-20-2001, 03:12 PM
didn't she get her head chopped off eventually? Or am I thinking of some other French notable?

bigbarada
09-20-2001, 04:32 PM
Hmmm, I wonder if The Cure's song, "Killing an Arab" is on the list. I hear that one was pretty popular during Desert Storm.

Obi-Dan Kenobi
09-23-2001, 11:50 PM
Originally posted by bigbarada
Hmmm, I wonder if The Cure's song, "Killing an Arab" is on the list. I hear that one was pretty popular during Desert Storm.

Yeah, I've thought of that too. That's one song I could really understand taking off of playlists.

bigbarada
09-24-2001, 08:29 AM
I think I remember hearing a story of how The Cure was afraid to come out of their hotel room, just after the release of that song, because there was an Arabian man just standing outside staring at them.

JediTricks
09-24-2001, 08:51 AM
Well, I caught the first few minutes of a syndicated rerun of Friends this weekend, and IIRC, the opening shot of the titles shows the NY skyline from the ground and the WTC was in the background... only it's not now. It was a weird thing to see, I went back on the tape over and over because it FELT unnatural to have a different scene in that place, though if they digitally removed the buildings, they did a fine job of it from a technical aspect.

El Chuxter
09-24-2001, 10:36 AM
I caught a few minutes of Back to the Future on Saturday. I didn't see the beginning or end, so I don't know how they addressed it, but the references to Iranian terrorists in the letter Marty writes were removed (silenced out and airbrushed when we see the letter). I hope it's only something NBC did for this airing, and not something that'll be deleted on next year's DVD.

Are we supposed to deny that we as a nation were a tad afraid of Iranian terrorists in 1985? That Iranian terrorists hijacked planes 20 years ago? This is going way too far.

GNT
09-25-2001, 01:25 AM
Originally posted by El Chuxter
I caught a few minutes of Back to the Future on Saturday. I didn't see the beginning or end, so I don't know how they addressed it, but the references to Iranian terrorists in the letter Marty writes were removed (silenced out and airbrushed when we see the letter). I hope it's only something NBC did for this airing, and not something that'll be deleted on next year's DVD.

Are we supposed to deny that we as a nation were a tad afraid of Iranian terrorists in 1985? That Iranian terrorists hijacked planes 20 years ago? This is going way too far.

Would that be the first movie or the 3rd???

Plus I think they have gone to far with removing it from everything!