Thanks for the fix.
Who invented the Bird of Prey - the Klingons or the Romulans?
In TOS, Lt. Styles says the Romulan ships "are painted like a giant bird of prey."
On Enterprise, the Klingons already had BOPs.
The Romulans used ships much like TOS Romulan ships. It was said they didn't have warp capability in Balance of Terror - but was that on the prototype ship with the plasma disruptor only? They had both warp drive and cloaking technology on Enterprise it would seem.
In TOS "The Enterprise Incident," the Romulans got their hands on 3 Klingon cruisers, seemingly in trade that gave the Klingons cloaking technology. By TOS movies, the Klingons had cloaks.
By TNG, the Romulans were using warbirds - and a new design showed up in Nemesis (Warbird design, in addition to whatever you'd classify the Scimitar as).
Do I have this right, or does anyone want to correct or add anything?
Yeah, there was some design confusion on ST3 with this, some fans claim it's a "lid" covering the tube, but in ST3 you can see a photon torpedo coming from the "lid" like it was a plasma cannon.Quote:
The outie launcher doesn't look like a photon tube can fit through there.
Understandable, Probert has made it clear that Roddenberry's idea was the warp engines work in tandem so there always had to be an even number of them, Probert's contribution to that was to ensure the engines could also "see" each other. Also, Probert feels the huge cannon under the future D's saucer is anti-Roddenberry and I've always felt similarly.Quote:
The guy who owns Ex Astris doesn't like the tri-nacelled 1701-D either.
Nemesis had their own Warbirds, ugly little halfling things, but the Scimitar was not a Warbird.
As for Enterprise, they screwed all that up by making the dumb Klingon 22nd century BOP, it's lame and should be ignored.
I forgot about that spinning aspect! That's true, it does spin, and I wouldn't be surprised if it spun the other way in ST5 momentarily, that film's effects were very sloppy since they went with a cheaper f/x house.
The "outie" lid has no hole, just some coil details - one could argue it's an energy weapon, but I don't see how they thought a photon torpedo was supposed to come out of there since ST2 had just established that photorps are physical casings, not just energy. Maybe they thought they could say it was a plasma torpedo like the Romulan BOP used in TOS, I don't believe those have been established as anything solid - that'd go with the spinning outie, though it wouldn't be consistent with later confirmations of photorps used on the KBOP.
In the Star Trek Generations pc game I boarded the Duras Sisters' old BOP and in the Torp room were casings and a launcher. One of the casings was Soran's Solar Probe. In ST3 they actually mentioned the emergency tube so there is no denying they are casings. If you look closely when the BOP lands on Vulcan in the movie one of the searchlights brushes over the launcher itself revealing it to be an "innie". I think it's been an innie all along they just added the spinner thing to wow movie goers.
"Emergency tube", I don't remember that, could you clarify?
Yeah, I don't think it wows anybody. :p
Hmm, that's a weird one, I cued it up, it's there, but you can clearly see there's no possible location for such a thing. Also, in the script, the Klingons are talking about emergency power when they mention the line, so it could be a reference to power rather than the tube (which, BTW, in the long shots doesn't have the lid, but the tube is more outie than the Corgi version - my guess is they made the lid on only 1 size of fx model rather than all of 'em). As for the tube, I'd chalk that up to a script mistake or the modelmaker didn't understand what needed to be there for that line to be accurate.