I agree with your point. Alternatively, you would wonder who the heck was Anakin's father?
Originally Posted by Droid
The Darth Plageuis novel suggests that Hego Damask (a Muun CFO of a pharmaceutical company) was able to conduct Sith experiments because of his public position. It would be great if he used his apprentice (Palpatine's) DNA to create him.
I don't know if fantasy is to your taste, but it just isn't to mine. I like some kind of explainable reason.
True. But I like the way that Lucas did it Making Padme (the mother) part of the betrayal of everything once good in Luke's family (because they were both from Naboo and it helped with the set up of how Anakin meets Padme in the first place.
There HAD to be a blockade of Naboo to show how Palpatine became Supreme Chancellor, when he could have risen to power in a hundred ways assuming they didn't just have him already be "President" or something before he became Emperor. And there didn't even have to be a planet called Naboo.
Again, it didn't have to be done that way. But I liked it and I have a right to like it.
First, I think BigB made the point, it was perfect fan wank to get some of that crowd in to make sure it made money.
Wrath of Khan is the best thing Trek ever did and Trek has ruined itself repeatedly trying to capture that lightning in a bottle again,
Next, Star Trek 4 made the most money (until First Contact, I think - those two were the leaders, but 4 certainly for TOS. But in any event, I liked Star Trek 6 because in sci-fy land, it told the story of the fall of the Soviet Empire (and the Praxis disaster mirrored Cherynobl) and Gorkin was like Gorbachev. I personally love political intrigue stories. And there was more action in TUC.
As Enterprise went on to explain things about Noonian Soong's ancestor that created the Augments (the leader of which was Khan), we got to see (on TV) what a bunch of them could really do - as we did with Cumberlandingpatch's version of Khan - just not a whole ship full of them.
With more of them, it could have become an even larger political incident, but I like the current movie with Cumberlandingpatch the way it is now. (I've seen it twice now and am really loving it).
By the way, I went with my gunfighter gang after our big Western Days shows for Saturday and one of the girls in our acting group said she'd begun watching all TOS now because of the movie (and liking the first Abrams reboot) She has now watched all 1st and 2nd seasons of Shatner's and Nimoy's Trek and is loving them (big Spock fan). She's in her 20's and you'd never expect a girl like her to decide to buy the DVD sets. She's watching the original TOS re-mastered, so I'm finally getting to see those myself (I have the original Shatner ones).
So the plan to re-interest an audience that wasn't there before is working. She's seen Space Seed but not WOK yet, as she's going to watch the movies when she finishes with TOS and the Animated (another group of shows I've never seen and look forward to watching with her).
I loved those. Kirk is my favorite captain, but DS9 is my favorite Star Trek by miles!
rather than, for example, doing something totally different like Best of Both Worlds or the Dominion War.
I agree, however, I liked Nemesis because of the shoot-em up scenes and the scorpion fighter, plus the Argo. I'd have liked to see the Scorpion fighters in combat though. At least we saw the Argo dune buggy fight the aliens' dune buggies.
Nemesis failed for so many reasons, the main one being it wanted to be Wrath of Khan (and no one who watched Trek all those years could claim Picard's clone or Data's prototype were a Nemesis to either of them.)
I know what Star Trek stands for and I embrace that. But I also have a lot, lot, lot, lot, lot of bloodlust and dig action and violence. Though it's best when paired with great purpose - like when Spock beats the living -$%#! out of Khan at the end. Dang I love that scene. Vulcan vs. Human Augment. Perfect combat. It's hard to compare a physical fight like this since Worf cut off Duras' head on TNG. (Actually, Worf and Gowron went at it pretty good - and when he was a prisoner and fought the Jem Hadar - see DS9 winds up having the great fights and Gul Dukat, the best villain of all Star Trek IMO - but his fights weren't that awesome. He was more of a plotting conspiracy leader).
The exploring part would not necessarily sell to the mass audience. I don't think my friend would have gotten in Trek the way she has from "exploring movies." The only TRUE exploring Trek movies were TMP, TFF, Generations. None of which are anyone's favorites.
The STORY of this latest film did not have to be Wrath of Khan. Why not show this new crew exploring the universe,
The shows were great for Exploring. And as a matter of fact, so were (after TOS) Voyager and Enterprise. (DS9 did some beyond the wormhole before the war started, but most people remember the show for the war).
Now I think there are great uses for action, as we already discussed, but I really like the way you described why WOK works. And it is one of my favorite movies for sure. You're right about the tension, the cat and mouse game, and all that good stuff.
There was a lot of fan demand for Khan's return. As if Trek was rebooted - the crew might experience what TOS did in many ways.
Did you catch the reference to "THE MUDD INCIDENT." That's where they got that ship they flew to the Klingon Homeworld (Kronos). It had been Harry Mudd's! And McCoy said he delivered Gorn babies (Arena - episode).
I think the audience might want to see things like The Tholian Web for the fan wankers (Enterprise covered that pretty well actually). And stuff from other famous episodes like The Enterprise Incident (with the Romulans) could be expected to be -re-covered too. Finally, TNG did that - instead of Kirk being disguised as a Romulan, Deanna Troi was.
Oh - speaking of TNG - did anyone notice that the first body that the crew found frozen and moved from a torpedo was DATA?! Look again. It's not Data, but Data is made in the image of Soong - so they used a Data head (not Brent Spiner making an appearance of anything) and let it be viewed in the cryotube. Dr Soong' ancestor created the Augments before his descendent created the Data androids.
But they could retcon it to say that Khan's people could have had Lore or something like B4 along with them and it left the Augments to go off on its own.