I Must Obey My Master...

[Darkross]

When Vader is speaking to Luke in ROTJ and replies to Luke's becconing to come with him...

Vader says: "Obi-Wan once thought as you do...YOU DON'T KNOW the power of the DARKSIDE...I MUST OBEY my master!"

What exactly is Vader telling Luke? Does the Darkside command so much of Vader that he cannot go betray his Master? Does the Emperor have a stronghold on Vader? Can someone explain this????

[The Overlord Returns]

Clearly not, as Vader ends up tossing the emperor to his doom.

[El Chuxter]

The line serves mainly to illustrate the conflict within Vader. He clearly feels a connection to his son--having let him survive after Bespin and, around the time of this line, admiring his lightsaber. But he's been trained to obey Palpatine without question (possibly due to the trend for Sith Apprentices to betray their Masters).

I think Luke's response ("Then my father truly is dead") is what makes the conflict apparent to Vader. Before that line, it's there but he isn't aware of it. But Luke's somewhat callous reply hits Vader like a ton of bricks, making him aware that he is no longer the young Jedi Knight he once was, but an unquestioning agent of evil (a la Darth Maul).

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Right after Luke says that line, and is taken away by the Stormtroopers, Vader turns around obviously hurt by Luke's remark.

[Jayspawn]

El Chuxter said it all.

Thats true. "Then my Farth is truely dead." That line get Vader and the audience thinking. It also seems apparent to me that Vader is still thinking about that in the Emperor's thrown room. I think that scene is one of my favorite in 'Jedi'.

[Pendo]

I heard that Vader's "I must obey my master" line is being changed for the Archival Edition.
It will now say "I must obey the crab!"

hehehehe, a Monkey Maker.

PENDO!

[chewie]

Vader went to the dark side and killed lots of people in his rage. The Rebels would treat Vader as we treat war criminals.

I think the turn to the dark side happens once a murder is commited using the force. And as such, the law of man/aliens will still haunt a force user regardless of whether they use their power for good from there on out. Which is why Vader felt it was too late for him.

[Darkross]

Originally posted by chewie
Vader went to the dark side and killed lots of people in his rage. The Rebels would treat Vader as we treat war criminals.

I think the turn to the dark side happens once a murder is commited using the force. And as such, the law of man/aliens will still haunt a force user regardless of whether they use their power for good from there on out. Which is why Vader felt it was too late for him.

Interesting take on this quote...however...does that mean that Anakin turned to the darkside in EPISODE II when he slaughtered the Tusken Raiders? Or did he have to use the force to defeat them?

[The Overlord Returns]

I assume by murder you mean innocents?

Because if you don't....that would make every jedi at the battle of geonosis a murderer (save yoda), and Luke skywalker would also be a murderer.

[chewie]

Originally posted by Darkross


Interesting take on this quote...however...does that mean that Anakin turned to the darkside in EPISODE II when he slaughtered the Tusken Raiders? Or did he have to use the force to defeat them?

This wasn't quite the same as killing other sentient life forms. Cliegg and Anakin surmise them as animals. Apparently everybody else does as well. No real "crime" was committed in the slaughter. And on a near lawless planet governed by the Hutts, real sentient creature murder probably goes unnoticed by everyone.

Anakin definitely used the force to kill the Tuskens. He would never have been able to sneak into camp otherwise. And nobody would call him to justice for this infraction. If it wasn't his turn to the dark side, it definitely was a large beginning.