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  1. #31
    I was not all to pleased on who was on the list or what Hero/Villian diserved what number.I think 'Mommy Dearest' should have got a better number,along with 'Creature of the Black Lagoon'.Both are better films than most listed:happy:



    Vader #3?Should have switched Lector and Vader in the numbering
    Treat your stepmother with respect Pantera, or you'll be sleeping in the streets!!

  2. #32
    So how entertaining was the program? I didn't watch because I'm not into the "See how America ranks the top whatever" programs. Which includes American Idol and its clones...

    Vader will always be the #1 villian to me.
    "Smeeeeee....Heeeeeee...." -- Kryten 4000

  3. #33

    Post Here's the list, in case anyone didn't memorize it!

    Top 50 Heroes

    1. Atticus Finch (Gregory Peck), "To Kill a Mockingbird."

    2. Indiana Jones (Harrison Ford), "Raiders of the Lost Ark."

    3. James Bond (Sean Connery), "Dr. No."

    4. Rick Blaine (Humphrey Bogart), "Casablanca."

    5. Will Kane (Gary Cooper), "High Noon."

    6. Clarice Starling (Jodie Foster), "The Silence of the Lambs."

    7. Rocky Balboa (Sylvester Stallone), "Rocky."

    8. Ellen Ripley (Sigourney Weaver), "Aliens."

    9. George Bailey (James Stewart), "It's a Wonderful Life."

    10. T.E. Lawrence (Peter O'Toole), "Lawrence of Arabia."

    11. Jefferson Smith (James Stewart), "Mr. Smith Goes to Washington."

    12. Tom Joad (Henry Fonda), "The Grapes of Wrath."

    13. Oskar Schindler (Liam Neeson), "Schindler's List."

    14. Han Solo (Harrison Ford), "Star Wars."

    15. Norma Rae Webster (Sally Field), "Norma Rae."

    16. Shane (Alan Ladd), "Shane."

    17. Harry Callahan (Clint Eastwood), "Dirty Harry."

    18. Robin Hood (Errol Flynn), "The Adventures of Robin Hood."

    19. Virgil Tibbs (Sidney Poitier), "In the Heat of the Night."

    20. Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, (Paul Newman and Robert Redford), "Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid."

    21. Mahatma Gandhi (Ben Kingsley), "Gandhi."

    22. Spartacus (Kirk Douglas), "Spartacus."

    23. Terry Malloy (Marlon Brando), "On the Waterfront."

    24. Thelma Dickinson and Louise Sawyer (Geena Davis and Susan Sarandon), "Thelma and Louise."

    25. Lou Gehrig (Gary Cooper), "The Pride of the Yankees."

    26. Superman (Christopher Reeve), "Superman."

    27. Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein (Robert Redford and Dustin Hoffman), "All the President's Men."

    28. Juror No. 8 (Henry Fonda), "12 Angry Men."

    29. Gen. George Patton (George C. Scott), "Patton."

    30. Luke Jackson (Paul Newman), "Cool Hand Luke."

    31. Erin Brockovich (Julia Roberts), "Erin Brockovich."

    32. Philip Marlowe (Humphrey Bogart), "The Big Sleep."

    33. Marge Gunderson (Frances McDormand), "Fargo."

    34. Tarzan (Johnny Weissmuller), "Tarzan the Ape Man."

    35. Alvin York (Gary Cooper), "Sergeant York."

    36. Rooster Cogburn (John Wayne), "True Grit."

    37. Obi-Wan Kenobi (Alec Guinness), "Star Wars."

    38. The Tramp (Charles Chaplin), "City Lights."

    39. Lassie (Pal the dog), "Lassie Come Home."

    40. Frank Serpico (Al Pacino), "Serpico."

    41. Arthur Chipping (Robert Donat), "Goodbye, Mr. Chips."

    42. Father Edward Flanagan (Spencer Tracy), "Boys Town."

    43. Moses (Charlton Heston), "The Ten Commandments."

    44. Jimmy "Popeye" Doyle (Gene Hackman), "The French Connection."

    45. Zorro (Tyrone Power), "The Mark of Zorro."

    46. Batman (Michael Keaton), "Batman."

    47. Karen Silkwood (Meryl Streep), "Silkwood."

    48. The Terminator (Arnold Schwarzenegger), "Terminator 2: Judgment Day."

    49. Andrew Beckett (Tom Hanks), "Philadelphia."

    50. Maximus (Russell Crowe), "Gladiator."

    Top 50 Villains

    1. Hannibal Lecter (Anthony Hopkins), "The Silence of the Lambs."

    2. Norman Bates (Anthony Perkins), "Psycho."

    3. Darth Vader (David Prowse, voiced by James Earl Jones), "The Empire Strikes Back."

    4. The Wicked Witch of the West (Margaret Hamilton), "The Wizard of Oz."

    5. Nurse Ratched (Louise Fletcher), "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest."

    6. Mr. Potter (Lionel Barrymore), "It's a Wonderful Life."

    7. Alex Forrest (Glenn Close), "Fatal Attraction."

    8. Phyllis Dietrichson (Barbara Stanwyck), "Double Indemnity."

    9. Regan MacNeil (Linda Blair), "The Exorcist."

    10. The Queen (voiced by Lucille LaVerne), "Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs."

    11. Michael Corleone (Al Pacino), "The Godfather Part II."

    12. Alex DeLarge (Malcolm McDowell), "A Clockwork Orange."

    13. HAL 9000 (voiced by Douglas Rain), "2001: A Space Odyssey."

    14. The Alien (Bolaji Badejo), "Alien."

    15. Amon Goeth (Ralph Fiennes), "Schindler's List."

    16. Noah Cross (John Huston), "Chinatown."

    17. Annie Wilkes (Kathy Bates), "Misery."

    18. The Shark, "Jaws."

    19. Captain Bligh (Charles Laughton), "Mutiny on the Bounty."

    20. Man, "Bambi."

    21. Mrs. John Iselin (Angela Lansbury), "The Manchurian Candidate."

    22. The Terminator (Arnold Schwarzenegger), "The Terminator."

    23. Eve Harrington (Anne Baxter), "All About Eve."

    24. Gordon Gekko (Michael Douglas), "Wall Street."

    25. Jack Torrance (Jack Nicholson), "The Shining."

    26. Cody Jarrett (James Cagney), "White Heat."

    27. The Martians, "War of the Worlds."

    28. Max Cady (Robert Mitchum), "Cape Fear."

    29. Rev. Harry Powell (Robert Mitchum), "The Night of the Hunter."

    30. Travis Bickle (Robert De Niro), "Taxi Driver."

    31. Mrs. Danvers (Judith Anderson), "Rebecca."

    32. Clyde Barrow and Bonnie Parker (Warren Beatty and Faye Dunaway), "Bonnie and Clyde."

    33. Count Dracula (Bela Lugosi), "Dracula."

    34. Dr. Szell (Laurence Olivier), "Marathon Man."

    35. J.J. Hunsecker (Burt Lancaster), "Sweet Smell of Success."

    36. Frank Booth (Dennis Hopper), "Blue Velvet."

    37. Harry Lime (Orson Welles), "The Third Man."

    38. Rico Bandello (Edward G. Robinson), "Little Caesar."

    39. Cruella De Vil (voiced by Betty Lou Gerson), "101 Dalmatians."

    40. Freddy Krueger (Robert Englund), "A Nightmare on Elm Street."

    41. Joan Crawford (Faye Dunaway), "Mommie Dearest."

    42. Tom Powers (James Cagney), "The Public Enemy."

    43. Regina Giddens (Bette Davis), "The Little Foxes."

    44. Baby Jane Hudson (Bette Davis), "What Ever Happened to Baby Jane?"

    45. The Joker (Jack Nicholson), "Batman."

    46. Hans Gruber (Alan Rickman), "Die Hard."

    47. Tony Camonte (Paul Muni), "Scarface."

    48. Verbal Kint (Kevin Spacey), "The Usual Suspects."

    49. Auric Goldfinger (Gert Frobe), "Goldfinger."

    50. Alonzo Harris (Denzel Washington), "Training Day."
    "That's what Sheev said."

  4. #34

    Arrow

    For the heroes, I felt that Ben Hur (Heston) should've been on the list, perhaps in place of Moses. Rooster Cogburn (Wayne), and Superman (Reeves) should've been higher. As much as I like the character, I think Indiana Jones (Ford) and James Bond (et al) should have switched places; 20-some movies to 3 is a big difference.

    For villains, Alonzo Harris (Washington) was too new for me to make the list. Joan Crawford (Dunaway) should have been WAY higher. I hardly knew a lot of the villains, especially the 30s-60s females ones.
    "That's what Sheev said."

  5. #35
    Hmm. I actually missed the first three or four when I saw this air, and was sort of annoyed that Alonzo Harris didn't show up. (Of course, he had already, but I didn't know it. ) That guy was scary!
    Tommy, close your eyes.

  6. #36
    Cosidering this is a mainstream media list, I think the Star Wars characters did reasonable well.

    How Obi-Wan beat out Luke is beyond me, though. Ewan McGregor's protrayals were somewhat forgettable, and he's dead 2/3rds of the way through ANH. On top of that, I don't remember any kids clamoring for that new Ben Kenobi figure during the 80s. I would have put Luke somewhere within the top 10.
    "To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence… When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up." - C.S. Lewis

  7. #37
    I think the character of Obi-Wan Kenobi, specifically from ANH, had great impact on society. I remember as a kid, all the adults thought his wizardly ways and wisdom were so wonderous... ok, I'm running out of "w" words. But still, I remember my grandparents quoting Obi-Wan when I was 4; I think the heroism from his character comes from a place of philosophy, restraint, and a great sense of wear he carried on his shoulders -- and only Alec Guinness could accomplish this with a handful of lines. Ewan is a great actor, but I don't think his portrayal carries the same amount of weight as the original. When I talk with people about Obi-Wan, they bring up the cantina, the training sequence aboard the Falcon, and the sacrificing himself to save the others - folks remember these scenes with great fondness, when they talk about them, it's with excitement and awe and even a little reverence. Obi-Wan teaches Luke to be a Jedi in the face of so many obsticles, thus he's heroic in both deed and word - Luke doesn't even do that, he learns and becomes a Jedi, but isn't a teacher, so in that regard Obi-Wan is more of a hero IMO.
    Darth Vader is becoming the Mickey Mouse of Star Wars.

    "In Brooklyn, a castle, is where dwell I"
    The use of a lightsaber does not make one a Jedi, it is the ability to not use it.

  8. #38
    so Ahnuld made both lists? Is that wuhnduful?
    [FONT=comic sans ms]ok make me stop talking, it's not interesting anymore[/FONT]

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