Will Obi-Wan betray Anakin?

**Pendo** · 06-07-2003

I was watching ANH on ITV1 before, and when Obi's "He betrayed and murdered your father" line came on, it got me thinking, could Obi-Wan be telling Luke what he did to Anakin, but telling Luke it was really Vader. Will Obi-Wan betray Anakin???

When the audience watch the films in order they will automoatically know of old Ben's lies, and will think he is twisting it for his own good, trying to steer Luke away from the truth. This will make the audience start to dislike Obi and begin wonder if he is really as good as once thought. It would only be when Vader utters the "I am your father" line that the audience will begin to realise why Obi-Wan lied.

So will Obi-Wan somehow betray Anakin, and if so what will he do? Will Obi-Wan's betrayal be Anakin's final push towards the dark side?

PENDO!

**I am Jabba the Hutt** · 06-07-2003

Personally, I think that Obi-Wan could very well betray Anakin cause at the end of the day, he thinks of the big picture and he will do anything to ensure that Anakin won't find Padme, Luke, Leia and Yoda.
I think if anyone will betray Anakin, it will be Palpatine, he'll turn Anakin against the only people that love and care for him

**dr_evazan22** · 06-07-2003

Will Obi betray Ani? No.

Will Ani FEEL betryayed? Yes.

**scruffziller** · 06-09-2003

Like Obi revealed in ROTJ, a certain point of view.

**Exhaust Port** · 06-09-2003

I always got the impression in the final duel between Obi-wan and Darth Vader that Vader was out for some payback. Then there was also that line about the "student is now the master" or something like that. Perhaps there is a duel between Obi and Anakin in Ep. 3 where Obi puts the hurt on Anakin.

From what we saw in ANH, there has to be a reason that Vader has some issues with Obi-wan.

**stillakid** · 06-09-2003

Originally posted by Pendo
When the audience watch the films in order they will automoatically know of old Ben's lies [/B]

What "old lies"? What "lies" period actually? Obi Wan has never lied in the Prequels and he didn't really in the OT either.

**Pendo** · 06-09-2003

Originally posted by stillakid
What "old lies"? What "lies" period actually? Obi Wan has never lied in the Prequels and he didn't really in the OT either.

I know Obi-Wan has never lied in the Prequels, but his "certain point of view" could be classed as a lie, especially to someone viewing the trilogy in order having never seen his explination of his POV in ROTJ.

PENDO!

**stillakid** · 06-09-2003

Originally posted by Pendo
I know Obi-Wan has never lied in the Prequels, but his "certain point of view" could be classed as a lie, especially to someone viewing the trilogy in order having never seen his explination of his POV in ROTJ.

PENDO!

Well, once again, it plays as usual in that case...Obi Wan's explanation holds that it wasn't a "lie" at all...it was just his point of view about the current state of the Anakin personality being dead and gone.

But, if we are to continue with this mindset that Obi Wan is a ratfink manipulating liar, then do we also include his outright lies about him finding Anakin, recognizing how strongly the Force was with him and taking it upon himself to train him as a Jedi Knight? Afterall, it was Qui Gon who did all of that stuff while Obi Wan was left on the starship to twiddle his thumbs and play Yahtzee with Panaka.

**mini-rock** · 06-09-2003

Originally posted by Pendo
I know Obi-Wan has never lied in the Prequels, but his "certain point of view" could be classed as a lie, especially to someone viewing the trilogy in order having never seen his explination of his POV in ROTJ.

PENDO!

I agre. His POV can be classified as a lie. Not until ROTJ do we hear Obi-Wan's "certain POV" rationalization for what could be considered lies, and most likely still will be considered lies for anyone viewing these films as GL intended. Or perhaps they'll think "WOW, Uncle Owen was right. Obi-Wan is just a crazy old wizard." I guess living alone for all those years between EPS 3&4 took a toll on him.

Either way Old Obi-Wan obviously knows he is neck deep in his own bull**** when Luke confronts him in ROTJ, and uses the old "POV" bit as a shovel to dig himself out.

**Darkross** · 06-10-2003

Originally posted by stillakid
But, if we are to continue with this mindset that Obi Wan is a ratfink manipulating liar, then do we also include his outright lies about him finding Anakin, recognizing how strongly the Force was with him and taking it upon himself to train him as a Jedi Knight? Afterall, it was Qui Gon who did all of that stuff while Obi Wan was left on the starship to twiddle his thumbs and play Yahtzee with Panaka.

Personally...I like to see Obi-Wan's (so called) lie about Anakin this way...

Obi-Wan: "When I first knew him (Anakin and Obi-Wan first meet on the Royal Starship)...your father was already a great pilot (winning the Pod Race)...but I was amazed at how strongly the Force was with him (Whatever Qui-Gon relayed to Obi-Wan about Anakin while debating about the long-shot of the Pod-Race and Anakin's Midichlorian Count)...I took it upon myself (to fullfil Qui-Gon's dying plea to Obi-Wan) to train him as a Jedi."

As others have stated...A CERTAIN POINT OF VIEW...in this case...Obi-Wan never stated that he "found" Anakin...just that he knew him. Since Qui-Gon's name would have meant nothing to Luke...why bother bringing it up anyway...since Obi-Wan was the first person to really train Anakin. Anakin wasn't Qui-Gon's Padawan...so anything that Qui-Gon told Anakin about the Force...was merely background information about the Force and how to possible tap it...but everthing else (all other knowledge and skill) came from Obi-Wan's teaching. Therefore with that said...Obi-Wan had the most influence on Anakin...so his statement about training him (Anakin) as a Jedi is mostly true.