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    How to spot a fake

    I figured it'd be a good idea to have a thread where vintage collectors could share knowledge and experience to prevent other vintage collectors from getting ripped off.

    I only have two bits of experience to relate for now:

    Original weapons vs. repro weapons--I've only actually seen guns and spears and the like, I've never actually seen a repro lightsaber or cape. When comparing repro to original, the most obvious sign I've notice is the repro are sometimes larger and shinier; but if you're in a store and don't have a basis for comparison then ask to see the figure and weapon. If the weapon is made of really hard plastic, which would seem to snap easily, then it is probably a repro. These are the repro weapons you can buy from places like Brian's Toys in bulk and some unscrupulous collectors might try to pass off as the real thing. The vintage weapon are made of a softer material (though not nearly as soft as the new toys) and have some give to them when you bend them.

    Check the manufacturer date on the figure/vehicle before purchase--I was at a comic book store a few years back and saw a vintage Chewie for $15, not thinking I bought it and when I got it home I noticed "LFL 1995 Kenner" on the bottom of his foot! It was the Classic TRU 4-pack version! Vintage figures usually have the manufacture date along the leg somewhere (except for small figures like Wickett who has his on his back). However the only vintage figures that have been rereleased recently in large numbers have been the 4-pack: Luke, Vader, Han Solo (small head) and Chewie. The differences are obvious when you compare these new ones to their vintage counterparts side-by-side, but when you see one alone in a store you really should check the manufacturer's date.

    Well, that's all I can relate for now. If anyone out there has some advise for your fellow vintage collectors then please post it here.
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    Well, I have seen many repro sabers. For the most part they are usually blue Jedi Luke sabers. From what I have seen the are a different plastic. They are very flexible. The size is also different, usually thicker thatn the original.
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    Re: How to spot a fake

    Originally posted by bigbarada
    How to spot a fake
    If someone is selling something cheap it could be a repro,if the seller says it is a repro then its a fake, If it looks too good to be true I.E "C10+ Clear bubble unpunched ********" it could be a fake
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    Vintage weapons colours.

    Vintage weapons...

    From my personal collection, I noticed (many years ago) that the original ANH figures had black guns made of a softer plastic. The ESB figure came with weapons that were an odd bluish/black colour. The only one that seemed to escape this bluish/black thing were the one with new weapons sculpts (bounty hunters, Hoth soldiers and those which were new additions to the line). The ones that were re-used (Stormie rifles, DL-44 blasters) came in the bluish/black. This was also repeated for the ROTJ figures. If you want to check if you have an original weapon, use that as a starting point.
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    Another tip:

    Spotting a fake vinyl cape - the repro capes I've come accross are only smooth on one side - the other side was rough textured.
    The vintage ones were smooth on both sides. Also, the repro vinyl is a bit thicker and not as flexible. Finally, they just seem too new. 20-year old vinyl capes are typically soft and well molded to the figures they've been on for a few decades.

    Also, the Leia Bespin vinyl repro's printed design was blurry and not at all crisp like the original Kenner's.
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    I'm not sure on this fake/repro thread was dug up versus any of the others, but oh well.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fixer View Post
    Spotting a fake vinyl cape - the repro capes I've come accross are only smooth on one side - the other side was rough textured.
    The vintage ones were smooth on both sides.
    This is not correct. Original vintage capes are textured one side and smooth on the other. Run your fingernail lightly across a side, one should give a zipper like sound and one nothing.

    As for as weapons and the like go, The Jawa's Armory is the best site I've found for helping id repros. Man, this is a really old thread. One has yet to mention the drop test as a first step.
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    That's because there are about 5 other threads that are about 5 times better. Perhaps we could have them merged.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LusiferSam View Post
    Original vintage capes are textured one side and smooth on the other. Run your fingernail lightly across a side, one should give a zipper like sound and one nothing.
    This is ture. You can see a cross-hatching pattern on one side of real vintage vinyl capes.

    As for weapons, to spot a fake you must be very familiar with what an orginal looks like. You must know all the details because it is in the details that the fake can be spoted. Also color can be a good indicator. Especially if it is the absolute wrong color. Like a grey Leia blaster, or a blue jawa gun. Also, some fakes are painted. Like the wicket spears, if you take a fingernail and scratch at them, the brown pait comes right off.

    Then there is the brittleness of the fakes. You can feel the difference when you hold it. If you try to flex it a bit it will not bend easily and it will most likely break. I did this in a toy shop once. The guy asked if I thought the Lando Skiff pike was a fake. It was funny colored and was low on detail. So I told him I thought it was fake and showed him the bend test against a pike I felt to be orginal. THe orginal bent a bit the fake broke in half. "See, a fake!" At first the guy was real mad that I broke it, but it confirmed that it was a fake and he would never have knowing sold a fake anyway, so he was glad I disposed of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sjd9299 View Post
    As for weapons, to spot a fake you must be very familiar with what an orginal looks like. You must know all the details because it is in the details that the fake can be spoted.
    The devil is in the details. And the details can be a devil. I've run across some very, very high quality repros that look, feel and sound just like the real thing. sjd9299 if you haven't checked out the Jawa's Armory site you should. I've learned more about repros there than anywhere else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LusiferSam View Post
    The devil is in the details. And the details can be a devil. I've run across some very, very high quality repros that look, feel and sound just like the real thing. sjd9299 if you haven't checked out the Jawa's Armory site you should. I've learned more about repros there than anywhere else.
    Thanks for the reference. I did not learn anything new here and I was disapointed to not find many of the well known weapon variations such as the Rancor Keeper's staff, or Bib Fortuna's staff. They don't even list Romba and Wicket as having different weapons. It is a good picture reference though and shows some good repros.
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    I collect and play Star Wars Miniatures too. If you have some to trade check out my trade page
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