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  1. #11
    Quote Originally Posted by LTBasker
    Actually no it isn't. In TNG there was an episode creatures had taken over Starfleet Admirals and one officer had the head creature in it. To destroy the head creature, they concentrated phaser fire on it's head till it exploded. Very gruesome, and very cool.

    The sniper scene wasn't really exciting, if you've played any games from Half-Life to Jedi Outcast to Unreal, you've seen something like many times.
    I'd say the head-exploding scene didn't count since the head BLEW UP and the Admiral was not entirely human.
    I guess what I meant to say was I play as many if not more first-person shooters than the next man, and the sniper scene was still cool, because this was, IIRC, the first time in a straight-out FIREFIGHT in Trek where someone was shot in the head. Normally they're always shot in the middle of the chest and fall over.

  2. #12
    I loved this episode.

    I keep thinking about T'Pol naked. These are great thoughts!

    The space marines are too cool and it reminded me of Aliens. That's a plus in my book.

    There was another cool alien species besides the insect ones that reminded me of Battlestar Galactica. This was the banshee screaming aliens in the tank that sort of floated around in there! Those were cool and they didn't even have legs!

    The aliens that aren't 2-arms-2-legs are great. It makes it all more like real space exploration where we don't just find stuff distantly related to us, like Cardassians.

    The chic marine did some bad-*** martial arts moves and she really knocked the crap out of that one guy - another plus!

    Plot-wise, or lacking therein, I loved the episode because I was entertained without having to watch Star Wars and Aliens and Battlestar Galactica all over again. It might be like seeing those shows, but the story was slightly different and explored other possibilities.

    As to new plot choices and "what could they do differenty?" Choices for an action show are limited. Action episode, rather. On Voyager, Captain Proton and Tom Paris' space shuttle drag-race and his insurrection on that underwater planet allowed for some new plot variance. So did Hirogen bounty hunting. Still, this was just a season opener that was made to suggest they were going to up the effects, the aliens, the action, and this was an easy plot to showcase it in - as well as showcase our regular actors pulling it off. That way we know we're not missing anything by not having Bruce Willis not cast on the show.
    Scott Bakula can pull it off just as well.

    T'Pol getting topless was great though, wasn't it?

  3. #13
    First off, it seems like the weird Xindi species and this whole "alone in weird space saving Earth" overtone feels more like Farscape than Trek. I really hated that bug-head Xindi, didn't look like they tried to evolve 'em at all, just a "bug standing up", very CG looking to me. Not the only "very CG looking" element of this ep though, the containers in the cargo bay flying around was screaming CGI.

    Secondly, I hated the main plot, how many times have we done this one already in Trek? Felt an awful lot like a part of Ent's pilot, "Broken Bow", too so that just added to the feeling of recycling. And the B-plot really got tiresome, they've all but ruined my favorite character (Trip) with this whole "enraged as hell" thing, look at how Kirk dealt with his brother's death, should have gone more that way if they wanted "something different". I would have liked the villain to be slightly more layered, he was really the only character I found interesting in the slightest until he went totally down to the bare bones villain routine. And I totally agree with VT about the expanse looking like absolutely nothing interesting. This could have been Trek's big chance to get out of the old and into something a little more visually stimulating for a while, something like the look of the Mutara Nebula from ST2, but instead just "oh, something odd happened on the cargo deck". This ep felt so much like Voyager and TNG that I wanted to break free of the straightjacket it felt like I was wearing.

    Third, the redress of the show sucks IMO. The new music on the themesong makes the singing speed up slightly, the music itself is trying to sound a little more folksy/country and just comes off shallow to me. The original tune may not have been my top choice, but it envoked feelings with the right way of playing the tune, now it's been retooled corporate-style to feel empty and meaningnless. I also didn't like the outfits of the military assault force, the space-camo look just didn't come off photogenic I think, and the assault force themselves added nothing to my experience, though they could surprise me in the future. It was a little obvious that Daniel Dae Kim was added to be Hoshi's new love interest too (and sorry VT, didn't care one way or the other about bland ol' DDK there ). And the new room, that was a dud and a half, I think it's supposed to be like DS9's ops. Speaking of DS9, T'pol's new red outfit is awfully similar to Kira's on that show.

    Finally, the pitiful attempt to further sexualize T'pol was really, really unstomachable here, between the blue catsuit and the "touch here" bit and the vulcan PJs which are all of a sudden ill-fitting and silk and especially the actual removal of her top, which showed the side of her breast possibly more than the FCC will allow (nipple = no-no on broadcast TV). BTW, note to the producers: Jolene Blalock's ugly implants (no, I don't mean Borg implants) on her skinny body are not anywhere near as appealing as you're hoping; if you want to capture original Trek's sense of sexuality, you need to go back to male heroes having a few deep - and many not-so-deep - quicky relationships at nearly every port of call, and exotic costumes that looked like they COULD fall off at any minute.

    Ultimately, thanks so much to Rick Berman and Brannon Braga for truly turning this show into disappointing, one-note flotsam.
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  4. #14
    Quote Originally Posted by Tycho
    I loved this episode.

    I keep thinking about T'Pol naked. These are great thoughts!

    The space marines are too cool and it reminded me of Aliens. That's a plus in my book.

    There was another cool alien species besides the insect ones that reminded me of Battlestar Galactica. This was the banshee screaming aliens in the tank that sort of floated around in there! Those were cool and they didn't even have legs!

    The aliens that aren't 2-arms-2-legs are great. It makes it all more like real space exploration where we don't just find stuff distantly related to us, like Cardassians.
    Well said, Tycho. I agree completely.
    And I also loved that there was a VARIETY of of aliens that actually looked alien! I always thought one of the weak points of Trek was that many of the "aliens" looked just like humans but with a few bumps on their foreheads.

    And JT, I thought the containers in the cargo bay were very well-done. The bugman screamed CGI, yes, but I thought the containers looked very real. More convincing than anything in the Star Wars prequels...aside from the battle droids in Episode I and the clonetroopers in Episode II, both of which I only recently learned were all CG.

  5. #15
    That's funny. I thought the BattleDroids were made by Hasbro.

    The aliens that had to float in the liquid tank were also seriously cool. I totally liked that idea of using characters that needed special assistance to exist in the same atmosphere as the regular 2-arm/2-leg aliens.

    I myself really appreciated all of T'Pol's scenes!

    I'd let Trek go in this direction: comic book "Laura Croft" ladies, space marines and combat scenes, aliens that can't be in humanoid atmospheres.

    I think almost everything's been done before, so let Trek build up a new audience with the "Schwarzeneggar-Bruce Willis type" fans.

    PLUS: It will attract a new audience.

    PLUS: It will be different from previous Treks.

    MINUS: It will dumb down the show for a cretan audience.

    MINUS: It won't be exactly like the way Gene Roddernberry made the shows TOS and TNG.

    PLUS: It could pick up an audeince and ratings from the cretans, then take steps to move back toward traditional Trek with deep pyschological and political stories.

    PLUS: It can push the envelope on what will pass TV ratings for sexuality, as Star Trek has always been a leader of programming revolution. We are still a long way from Europe's freedom to broadcast light pornography, so this could be progress.

    PLUS: It will interest more kids who will want Space Marine action figures and build up interest in ArtAsylum's stuff the more violent the show can get.

    PLUS: It might half-way compete with Smallville which Star Trek will now be up against. (When I can't be home, I'll be taping Smallville first I think, and have to wait for Sundays to catch up on Trek.)

    Anyway...comments?

  6. #16
    Quote Originally Posted by JediTricks
    Finally, the pitiful attempt to further sexualize T'pol was really, really unstomachable here, between the blue catsuit and the "touch here" bit and the vulcan PJs which are all of a sudden ill-fitting and silk and especially the actual removal of her top
    Thank YOU

    It's one thing if it was something like maybe 7 of 9 exploring her horny-guy's-vision-of-a-teen-girl setting, but a Vulcan?..

    Quote Originally Posted by JediTricks
    Ultimately, thanks so much to Rick Berman and Brannon Braga for truly turning this show into disappointing, one-note flotsam.
    Agreed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Anakin2121
    I'd say the head-exploding scene didn't count since the head BLEW UP and the Admiral was not entirely human.
    Yeah, the head blew up after the phasers were concentrated on him for a couple seconds. He was technically fully human though, he just had a really really big parasite in him.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tycho
    MINUS: It won't be exactly like the way Gene Roddernberry made the shows TOS and TNG.
    That's not a minus, that's a tragedy. Letting Star Trek turn into just another run of the mill sci-fi show, that's ludicrous! And for what? Because Berman and Braga stole the franchise. Hey how about we all make some prank calls to Majel in respect for Gene?

    I think it's safe to say that Enterprise never crawled out of one hole to fall into another- they just dug right into the abyss and kept on shovelin it.
    "Hokey packaging and ancient gimmicks are no match for good detail on your figure, kid."
    "I am a Klingot from Oklahoma in human boy form."
    "We came, we saw, we conquered... We, woke up!"

  7. #17
    I want the series to be different from each other. DS9 was the best.

    TOS commented on 1960's political society in dealing with things like:

    What if the Nazi's had won?

    Enterprise should do "What if communism had won the Cold War?" We see that with the Borg already. Aren't they the ultimate command economy?

    How about what if Al Gore had won?

    Or is the War on Terrorism wrong? Would another time travel story be good?

    How about one where Archer has to save Saddam Hussein? TOS would have done something like that.

    Trek also explored sexuality. To keep up with modern times, we must see how in an alternate timeline the crew would deal with Archer getting a sex change. This would be simlilar to "Turnabout Intruder." But it would explore modern geneder-change surgery.

    How about war protests? We could have people picketing Starfleet Headquarters accusing SF of waging war with the Xindi only to secure mineral rights in their asteroid field.

    There could be a recall election and aliens could be protesting registrering with immigration when they visit earth or being forced to speak earth-languages while on-planet.

    Let's see...what other social commentary could make great episodes? We could learn that the crew is asked to do a popular talk show and we discover that Trip is so obsessed with his sister because he had an incestuous relationship with her years ago, and now Jerry Springer, released from Cryogenic Deep Freeze, wants to know how people in Appalachia feel about this.

    Next episode: Wal-Mart wants to expand its first store on Vulcan, but the Vulcans are insulted by the happy-face symbol because Vulcans don't get happy and think it is logical to protect their own businesses. SF and the High Command square off on the NAFTA Treaty (Non-Alien Franchise Tax Assesment) while meanwhile, SF's C.inC. is accused of having an affair with his Vulcan intern and doing something obscene with her and his cigar.

    Of course, TOS and TNG had their 'what qualifies as sentient life?' episodes, and in an exciting update of this, Archer trains his dog to command the ship for a day.

    What other modern society commentary could Trek be doing?

    I think Enterprise will continue to do just fine. One thing's for sure: unless I see some better ideas, they don't need our help!

  8. #18
    Theres been several better ideas out there, I'm not tootin my own horn here either. On a Star Trek message board I am on called Subspace Comms Network several of the people there have given some very nice ideas on what Enterprise could be like. Trust me, they need all the help they could get if Berman and Braga want Enterprise to survive.

    See theres one major problem with the stories you're depicting.. alot of them just aren't true. I know alot of the stuff in TOS isn't true, but that's by accident. Gene thought that up so things could have a back story, he didn't know we'd be able to not go into WW3 in the 90's. Star Trek was mostly to sticking to life facts until Berman and Braga became into full control on Voyager. Now they just make anything up as they go along.

    Yeah it's sci-fi, yeah it's entertainment, I know all this stuff. But just making things up as they go along is not Star Trek. Star Trek is supposed to unique, not just a run of the mill sci-fi franchise. Gene made Star Trek as a possible future for humanity, some sort of hope for this miserable species. All Berman and Braga see are the dollar signs as they do every exploit they can with a franchise they didn't even create. Now they act like they have created it by recreating everything they possibly can. All the while saying they respect what Star Trek is.

    The only thing they look at when they see Star Trek is the nearest female chest, it's more like everything is based around how much they can exploit the fact theres a female on board. I'm not saying they're doing it against their will or any of that stuff, I'm saying I'm tired of these half-baked story lines just to show off every little flashy new toy. I'm tired of these scripts that call for the actors to be dramaqueens when they're just having a basic talk. I'm tired of this.

    Now they have the potential to do a very great series, but all they do is they look at the basic sex-action-special effects guidelines and build the story around that. That is all it is anymore. Theres no real heart in this franchise left, it's all just a shell. A hollow shell, no heart whatsoever. There was once a heart when this franchise had a meaning besides just ratings.

    Why do I still watch Enterprise? Because even though I'm disgusted with it, I'm not losing hope that someday, someone will step in and make a good Star Trek episode that will be a Star Trek episode. I hope there can be some good that comes out of Enterprise, not from a bunch of glorified too-much-budget action sequences, not from sexual tease, and not from one liner quip response. I mean a good episode from the heart of the actors, from the heart of the crew, and from the heart of the meaning of Star Trek.

    I have said all that I can from this now, this is what Star Trek means to me, and I'll be damned if I let them trash Gene's creation to the point of just an hour of sex and action exploits. Those get old- REAL Star Trek doesn't.
    "Hokey packaging and ancient gimmicks are no match for good detail on your figure, kid."
    "I am a Klingot from Oklahoma in human boy form."
    "We came, we saw, we conquered... We, woke up!"

  9. #19

    Wink so the commandos' blue-black camoflage is so badguys can't see them. . . in Space??

    i suppose this unprecedented injection of blatant "now it's payback time" gung-ho-ism into trek could work if handled with a certain daring and finesse, and not mere heavy-handed bruce willis republican smirkiness with Ent premiering shortly after 9-11, bakula's often struck me as the dubya of trek, seeing as how both ladle their aw-shucks folksiness on a little unconvincingly thick at times. but as the second season progressed bak branched out of that some, and now it looks like he'll be sharing the Dubya Resonance with trip, since the xindi tried to kill trip's daddy, i mean sister

    tych: "How about one where Archer has to save Saddam Hussein?"
    -hmm, if archer is dubya, is kirk saddam? "klingmerican bastards you killed my Sons!"

    "The chic marine"
    -there was a chick marine? either i didn't look closely enough or, like hudson's quip to vasquez in Aliens, i mistook her for a dooode

    jt: "attempt to further sexualize T'pol was really, really unstomachable"
    -actually it had me laughin my azz off, cuz i couldn't decide if it was unbelievably obvious & desperate pandering or the show's winking acknowledgement of the economic climate in which they compete. so i salute them for making me wonder- and for the laugh

    "Kim was added to be Hoshi's new love"
    -the obviousness of that, if it turns out to be the case, would similarly make me laugh maybe it's meant to be consolation for linda park after "the crossing" ep had malcolm explicitly declare t'pol "the most attractive female on this ship"

    "Blalock's ugly implants"
    -i suppose as a professional you would know as with jeri ryan i find them distracting and not in a good way. both these chicks are the result of generations of fortunate breeding. both women have more than enough inherent physical charm without having to resort to surgical attempts to appeal to the maximum number tasteless american males. when i see their chests, first and foremost i see compromise, unrealistic insecurity or excessive ambition- none of which i find erotic. give me a well-bred babe who's sufficiently aware of & confident in her eugenic advantage to never consider such unseemly, l-c-d pandering

    "if you want to capture original Trek's sense of sexuality"
    -personally i favor the sexuality of individual trek dames rather than that of any one show. tos is overrated in that sense; odona from tos ("mark of gideon"), ro from tng, melanie smith's ziyal from ds9, and susanna thompson from voy and ds9 are where the Real loci of trek sex lie hell, even janeway with the sleek, boyish, parted 'do she briefly donned after shedding her season 1 patrician schoolmarm bun

    "just 'oh, something odd happened on the cargo deck"
    -yeah that was Dullsville; a part of space in which people survive being anatomically inverted, and all We see is a strong wind blowing the neighbor's trash cans across the street?

    ltb: "REAL Star Trek doesn't (get old)"
    -actually if tos is the "real" gold standard, for me it long since has. i watched it lots when i was 8, and reimmersed myself from ~'85-87. after all that it's long felt like i've gotten what i can from it, & have felt little impulse to revisit. though i still dig my fave old ep "mirror mirror" now & again
    originality or lack thereof's never been a true issue for me re trek. trek fans say they want originality but they have little actual appetite for it, as it requires more rigor and background from an audience than a desire for mere "entertainment". but that's ok cuz originality is not the only virtue to which trek or other art can aspire. scifi is genre, and by definition genre offers the opposite of originality. i don't watch scifi for originality, i watch it for fun
    vt

  10. #20
    GARGGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!


    THEM STUPID IDIOTS
    AT MY WB AFFILIATE
    THAT CARRIES ENTERPRISE CHANGED ITS TIME AT THE LAST MINUTE!!!!!!!!! MY REPLAY WAS SET TO GO!!!!!!!! AND RECORDED THAT 70s SHOW I MISSED IT ALL!!!!!!!!!!!ARGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    No matter how I die, even if there is a suicide note; it was murder. Cheers!
    MWHAHAHAHA!

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