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    Is it or is it not a figure? You decide.

    There are 96 carded figures (16 more if your a Droids and Ewoks collect) that I think we can all agree on as being Star Wars action figures. But what about the rest like Blue Snaggletooth or the Probot? What are they and where do they fit? Why ask this question? One, because I could find no thread like this and two we seem to discusses this in no organized manner, so I thought I'd give it a shot. I'm not looking for a definitive list, but just an open discussion. First a couple of formalities: If it's a figure, figure-like, or might be consisted a figure somebody we'll talk about it, but no prototypes or variations (depending on your option there may be an expiation here). Next your not voting on anything, just giving your opinion. If I forget or ignore something tell me and I'll add it. I'll go line by line (rather than wave by wave) and wait about a week between lines. And please excuse my poor spelling and grammar.
    So that's get started with the Star Wars line. The items are:

    Three Legged R2-D2

    (name your own droid)

    The R2 build-in the X-Wing

    Dianoga

    Dewback

    Blue Snaggletooth
    "I'm sick and tried of these motherfrakkking Sith on this motherfrakkker plane!"
    Mace Windu - Episode 2.5: Sith on a Plane

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    In my opinion, a figure is a carded action figure, or one that came in a playset like the Cantina, Cloud City, Hoth, etc. ones, or in a Kenner box or mail in offer. It must be a separate sculpt, so that includes Blue Snaggs. Variations are differences in color, accessories, or packaging (but this last aspect doesn't impact the figure itself, except for Death Squad Commander and Star Destroyer Commander). The "extras" aren't figures, but creatures, robots, or parts (dianoga, probot, "stuck-in" X-Wing R2-D2, etc.).

    Variations are:
    Jawa (vinyl/cloth)
    Han (small/big head)
    Bespin Luke (yellow/blond hair)
    Jedi Luke (blue/green saber)
    Bespin Leia (red/flesh neck)
    IG-88 (silver/gray)
    Etc.
    Etc.

    And Droids and Ewoks toys are separate lines of figures, IMHO.

    My $.02
    Last edited by Bel-Cam Jos; 11-23-2003 at 03:51 PM.
    CU Later. Contracted Universe? Later. :(

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    Three legged R2: I'm incline to say this not a figure. First the Droid Factory playset is really an EU playset in my opinion. Second this R2 comes in pierces and you can use the same to build many different droids. And third it just doesn't feel like a figure to me.

    (name your our droid): See the reasons above.

    The R2 built into the X-Wing: No this is not a figure in any way, shape or form. Its part of a vehicle and no more.

    Dianoga: I've thought of the Dianoga as more of an accessory rather than a figure. There's very little action about this one. But if someone were to ask me to describe it I'd said its a figure.

    Dewback: The Dewback is not a figure. Other figures are meant to ride the dewback there for its not a figure in my book.

    Blue Snaggletooth: Yes, this is a figure. In the past I've thought it was a variation, but now that I have one that's changed. Its a very different figure from the red Snaggletooth, so I don't think its a variation. Him came with a playset (of sorts) like many other figures and has arms and legs like a regular figure. The only thing is he didn't come on a card, so why should that be held a against him?
    "I'm sick and tried of these motherfrakkking Sith on this motherfrakkker plane!"
    Mace Windu - Episode 2.5: Sith on a Plane

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    I see Blue Snags as a variation. Running change just like Bespin Leia or Bespin Lando or even the Han Solo head variation.

    Bel-Cam, why do you classify Han as a variation when the whole head is a different sculpt?

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    The Probot is just as much of a figure as is Jabba the Hutt. I think that the Wampa, Taun Taun, Dianoga, Dewback, 3 legged R2, wind-up R2, Droids, and Ewoks are all part of the line. They are all figures. Blue Snaggletooth is a variation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Caesar
    I see Blue Snags as a variation. Running change just like Bespin Leia or Bespin Lando or even the Han Solo head variation.

    Bel-Cam, why do you classify Han as a variation when the whole head is a different sculpt?
    His body is the same, that's why. The reason why the head changed was to make him more in balance. Blue Snaggs was taller and in a different costume.
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  7. #7
    Quote Originally Posted by Bel-Cam Jos
    His body is the same, that's why. The reason why the head changed was to make him more in balance. Blue Snaggs was taller and in a different costume.
    I don't know, I see your point about Snags but then again his height was reduced to make him more in balance just like Huge Head Han.
    Different costume, that's debatable . . . aside from the foot sculpt I think the costume is the same (technically). Yeah the color changed but that's along the variation theme to me. He still has the same head as the Red Snags and to me that says alot, too.


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    A figure is a figure is a figure, no matter what kind of vessel it ships in. So whether it comes on a card, in a box (with a ship or playset), or in a plastic bag, it's still a figure.

    To that end, I count all sentient or semi-sentient creatures and people as action figures no matter the size. All non-sentient creatures are "beasts." Droids are just droids no matter the size and all are "action figures."

    So:


    Three Legged R2-D2: Definitely an action figure, subspecies: droid

    (name your own droid)

    The R2 build-in the X-Wing: A droid head is not a figure, particularly when it is built into the action features of the vehicle itself. I think that to be considered an action figure, it needs to have the potential for an autonomous life apart from its buddy. (the Gungan with Fambaa is another example of this.)

    Dianoga: Action figure/beast

    Dewback: Action figure/beast

    Blue Snaggletooth: Action figure

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    I dont count 3-legged R2 as a figure. I think hes an accessory as part of a playset.

    Dianoga, hes an accessory of a playset. A novelty.

    Dewback, hes a beast like the Wampa, Tauntaun, Rancor or the Jabba Playset.

    Blue Snaggletooth is a figure, still a variation I dont personally count him in the regular vintage line (which I'm currently collecting). Hes really more of an anomally but still a figure.

    The R2 in the X-Wing is part of the ship.
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    I'm sorry about abandoning this thread, but the timing of it was bad on my part. Any way here are the rest of the odd balls:

    The Probot from the Turret & Probot playset

    Han Solo in carbonite from Slave 1

    Wampa

    Tauntaun

    Jabba the Hutt from the Jabba the Hutt playset

    Salacious Crumb from the Jabba the Hutt playset

    Sy Snootles from Sy Snootles and the Rebo Band

    Max Rebo from Sy Snootles and the Rebo Band

    Droopy McCool from Sy Snootles and the Rebo Band

    The Rancor Monster

    Vlix
    "I'm sick and tried of these motherfrakkking Sith on this motherfrakkker plane!"
    Mace Windu - Episode 2.5: Sith on a Plane

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