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  1. #1

    darth sidious was a jedi once

    my speculation is as follows.

    darth sidious used to be a jedi named sifa-dyas (or the earlier sido-dyas) in fact he was the head of the jedi council untill he presumably died about 10 years before AOTC. sifa-dyas was of course one of darth sidiouses many alter egos. this explains who deleted the kamino sysyet from the jedi archives. (yoda>"only a jedi could have ereased those" it also explains who crreated the army and why. darth sidious/senator palpatine-supreme chamsalor plapatine/sifa-dyas must have been a busy man.

    i hope ep. 3 flashes back and shows what palps looked like when he was the head of the jedi order. i presume he looked super old like in ROTJ , after all he can make himself look younger than he really is (hence how the jedi didnt know that sifa-dyas and palps was the same dude).

    comments???????????

  2. #2
    Quote Originally Posted by r3pohh yeah
    after all he can make himself look younger than he really is.

    comments???????????
    er how does he do this, exactly. and if he can, why does he look so old and decrepid in rotj. i think the jedi might just recognise him when this senator from naboo turns up suddenly looking suspiciously like a former member of the council. older or younger, that's an awfully distinctive nose that darth sideous/chancellor palpatine posesses.

  3. #3
    I used to think that if he would somehow be able to look different. Doesn't Palps have some kind of traceable history and known by people on Naboo?
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  4. #4
    THIS thread touches on this theme, sorta...

    My idea is still strong in me mind, that Syfo dyas was the head of the jedi(AND mace's master, I think) and left the council after performing a huge mind-trick on them (no need to change his appearance, also explains why no-one seems to care to even try to recall what exactly happened to the guy when the question comes up)

    I'm pretty sure this is right... and 2005 is getting closer by the day... WOOOOO!!!!!

    Not exactly sure about my prediction for the "final fight" now, I don't think GL has as good an imagination as I do.
    Something about him reminds me of my older brother, Rex.

  5. #5
    Unless E3 tells me differently, I assume that it was Dooku who erased Kamino.

  6. #6
    I've always associated Sidious with Sifo-Dyas from early Episode II spoilers. Sifo-Dyas was originally called Sido-Dyas and was used when the Kaminoians spoke of Darth Sidious. The name was changed because his name too closely resembled Sidious.

    IMO it makes more sense that Sifo-Dyas errased Kamino rather than Dooku as it was Sifo-Dyas who ordered the clone army.

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    Okay, I'm going to bring up this old "argument" again, because some of what's been said here plays well into the theory:

    Palpatine is a clone of Sidious.

    Early on Sidous clones himself (not with the Kaminoans as that would complicate things). We know presumably that there are other cloners out there from Dexster's comments in his diner.

    Okay so he clones himself. The clone is put on the path of becoming a politician so that eventually Sidious can take his place.

    Menawhile Sidious, who at this time is assuming his alter-ego as Sifo-Dyas (or Sido Dyas if you prefer) is running the council or is high in the order.

    We know from EU books that Luke has used the force to alter his appearance so why not Sidious?

    Sidious is so strong in the Force that he indeed blocks the Jedi from his real visage OR his real visage is known (he's old but not as he looks in ROTJ). The reason he looks so bad in ROTJ is the years of the Darkside eating away at him. Getting back to his being in charge of the Jedi or high in the order. At some point he decides to leave, being one of the 20 lost.

    Now you may say hold on what about the clone and it's looking like Sidious, well for one the Jedi have either been tricked (his use of the force at changing his appearance or he looks much older because the darkside has in part started to eat at him). This could also be why he leaves the order or better yet is EXPELLED from the order. (That is to say, certain Jedi-most likely council members feel him using the darkside and try to bring him back but it's to late)(What better reason for taking over and killing them all...but I digress)

    His clone doesn't look so old because he doesn't use the force, especially the darkside and in fact Sidious could have strip him of his force ability. This explains why the Jedi cannot sense Palpatine in the force like they would a Sith lord, because he doesn't have the ability or the (sudders to say it) midichlorians.

    Now move along to EPIII! Once things are almost in place and the clones turn on the Jedi (from a HUGE mind swipe by Sidious), Sidious assumes power. Mace goes to confront/question Palpatine, but finds that Palpatine is not who he thought he was but is a Sith lord and figures out that he's been switched. He then realizes that this Sith Lord was once Sifo-Dyas and they go at it. Anakin plays a role in Mace's demise and the secret is kept safe.

    At this point Sifo-Dyas looks much older than the clone Palpatine (again Darkside usage) but close enough that the general population do not question who he is. (Especially because they are now under Marshall law!) And the Republic becomes the EMPIRE.

    Whew. Long explanation, but is has some plausability.

    Even if you take the clone Palpy out of the equation, much of this theory could still be "true".


    [EDIT] additional thoughts here!

    Dooku is brought into the picture by Sidious. Sidious reveals himself and possibly he and Dooku were friends before he (Sidious) left or was expelled from the order. Now with Dooku being rich (He is a Count and we know that he has quite an inheritance) and charismatic, he (Sidious) see this as the perfect opportunity to start his funding of ordering the clones. It could be even true that right after Maul was killed Sidious-then Sifo-Dyas approched Dooku with his plan. Dooku was already disgusted with what the Jedi had become (you just need look at Qui-gon's feelings to get this too), so he goes along with the plan. Knowing that he will be one of the most powerful men in the galaxy. (Of course he could have been planning on usurping Sidious from the begining as well. (It's the way a Sith would work after all)

    First Sifo-Dyas leaves the order (or again is expelled-which is more compelling IMO), then Dooku later. They do not want to leave at the same time as that would be very suspicious. However the Jedi would understand (but not agree with) Dooku's leaving because of his friendship with Sifo-Dyas.


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    Last edited by jedi master sal; 02-19-2004 at 03:46 PM.
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  8. #8
    Palpatine is not a clone of Sidious.
    Palpatine is not a clone of Sidious.
    Palpatine is not a clone of Sidious.
    Palpatine is not a clone of Sidious.
    Palpatine is not a clone of Sidious.
    Palpatine is not a clone of Sidious.
    Palpatine is not a clone of Sidious.

    like I said,
    Palpatine is not a clone of Sidious.


  9. #9
    Caesar's right. Lucas' right hand man (or "Yes Sir" man), Mr. McCallum, has said himself that the only clones in Episode III are that of Jango Fett. There are no other clones in the movie. That was a great sigh of relief .

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  10. #10
    Quote Originally Posted by jedi master sal
    Palpatine is a clone of Sidious.

    Sidious is so strong in the Force that he indeed blocks the Jedi from his real visage OR his real visage is known...

    His clone doesn't look so old because he doesn't use the force, especially the darkside and in fact Sidious could have strip him of his force ability. This explains why the Jedi cannot sense Palpatine in the force like they would a Sith lord, because he doesn't have the ability or the (sudders to say it) midichlorians.
    why would sideous need to make a clone of himself to hide behind? the jedi can't feel his presence anyway so why bother. it doesn't matter whether he is darth sideous or is palpatine he can mask himself from the jedi.

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