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  1. #1

    Rumor: 12" Bariss, Aayla Secura, Anakin-Vader Transformation, General Grevious

    Swarmi, who's generally very reliable, posted this in a spoiler-laden bit - though I don't think any of the 12" constitute spoilers IMO.

    Here are my thoughts:

    Female Jedi 12" figures...

    1) hope they are not made with Padme's body so they cannot stand up, or with Barbie doll bodies (which is even worse) and I hope their hands can grip their lightsabers. This has me very concerned that their bodies will not live up to 12" collection expectations.

    2) their costumes: Bariss is much simpler than her former master Luminara's wardrobe. It's not shocking that they are not doing Luminara for that reason. Bariss almost wears Darth Maul's costume (in a sense) and Aayla barely wears much clothing at all (so I hope hers isn't sculpted on like Zam Wessel's were in parts and portions). The 12" Collection needs to remain integrity of its original intent: to provide detailed accessories and articles of clothing, along with maximum poseability in a traditional GI Joe figure size. Recall that 3 3/4" figures ONLY came about later so that Kenner could do multiple vehicles of differing size for the figures and keep them affordable. In Star Wars, the 3 3/4" line came about a year or so ahead of the 12", but GI Joe debuted in 12" and didn't do 3 3/4" until after Star Wars' success.


    3) the character choices: Aayla is becoming a pop-culture icon for SW in the fan-stream anyway. Why? Amy Allen is promoting her character everywhere, Jan Duursema is Star Wars comics' best artist and Aayla's creator, Lucas liked her and put her in the movie making her the first transitional character to go from comics to screen. Again, why? She's a half-clothed sex symbol to put it bluntly. A warrior woman with her navel showing with such lack of character development (on screen) that audiences can imagine her to be anything they'd like (Aayla has a distinctive character well established in Duursema / John Ostrander's body of work for her in Dark Horse). But for many, the babe-a-licious Jedi exudes sexuality and all the fantasy that goes with that. Bariss is almost the complete opposite. She's the shy "home-school girl." Dressed conservatively like a religious monk, she can nevertheless "lean back" in Hasbro's 3 3/4" figure and provide a focus-point (or two) for male fans of women-warriors. This will not translate well into a 12" character unless she wears an extremely tight outfit (or Bariss' ROTS costume varies a lot from her appearance as a padawan). In the second example, it is gratuitous sexuality added for only its own sake to Star Wars. It remains to be seen if Bariss' costume change will do that, and then I can tell you if I'm interested. I'm a sucker for that gratuitous sex stuff. It's fluff, but added to special effects of starships exploding, that sort of thing, it makes up the rock-n-roll culture's requisite fill of sex and violence as suggestively as possible in a PG or PG-13 film adding to the overall evaluation "That it was a good movie because it had a few SECONDS of everything." I roll my eyes, but OK: I have to admit that still works for me. "The Babe-Watch Planet" would work in my book. However, in her present, known costume, Bariss doesn't work for me in a 12", though Aayla could.

    That being said, there's more to this character choice for Jedi-babes or whatever:

    These Jedi have been made already (besides Anakin and Obi-Wan):

    YODA - Jedi Council Member
    MACE - Jedi Council Member
    KI-ADI MUNDI - Jedi Council Member
    PLO KOON - Jedi Council Member

    Adi Gallia would help along the Jedi Council Collection.

    Depa Billaba
    Shaak-Ti
    Yaddle

    Are other female Jedi Council Members. Certainly Shaak-Ti would be a very interesting 12".


    Aayla works better than Bariss in that category, but Bariss still works.

    And they are cheap to not bring out Luminara Undulli's more elaborate outfit.

    Jocasta Nu is also still available, and she has a very interesting wardrobe.

    I won't even go into how many more MALE Jedi Council Members and Knights are seriously more interesting than Bariss.

    With Aayla, I'll point one more thing out: OOLA becomes possible. The face sculpt and coloring are not the same, but with some easy alterations, Oola (with a 12" Jabba???) could seriously be a cost-saver product from Hasbro in the future. Forget Shaaka, Lin Mae, or Aay Vida, or Ann / Tan Gella (though Hasbro could sell 2 for 1 product there). Oola is clearly the most natural direction to take a tooling for Aayla Secura into following her mainline production for Episode 3.

    That gives me some hope. You can't do something else with Kit Fisto or SaeSee Tiin's sculpting.

    However, Sora Bulq (who's gone Dark Side now and works for Dooku) could have made a great figure and been also recycled as a Weequay skiff guard!
    But I said I wouldn't go into MALE Jedi at the moment.

    It's great they are doing the ladies. Aayla I'd want anyway. Shaak-Ti and Adi Gallia I still yearn for. Bariss I'll buy and like anyway -so I'm not complaining (too much).

    Now, onto.....
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    Anakin -Vader:

    Remember the 14-inch talking Vader figure? I loved that one so much I bought 3 and then got it again with Maul in the TRU 2-pack.

    I bet they put a burnt-charred Anakin head on that and package it. (Still I'd buy it - pretty cool nevertheless - as a novelty)

    What'd be better?

    An Episode 3 (long hair) Anakin figure with Marmit-style add-on Vader gear (like ultimate Jango Fett) and a SWITCHABLE HEAD - so that when you make the Anakin-Vader, he's all lava burnt like in those make-up test pictures of Hayden we've seen (which are not positively proven to be Hayden - the makeup is so severe it's hard for me to tell).

    Anyway, I hope we get the Ultimate Darth Vader (E3 Hayden version) with Jedi and Vader outfits. I'd pay $40 for that. (wasn't that about Jango Fett's original price?)


    I suspect that Hasbro will market a regular Anakin figure in the AOTC costume with the ROTS hair for $20 though - as well as possibly a Darth Vader made that way too.
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    General Grevious:

    This one really scares me. Grevious will be an EXPENSIVE sculpt for Hasbro to make, but such a central character that's visible in the line that he'll have to be produced for the $20 range to let kids start collecting this line as a bait piece to get them to buy Anakin and Obi-Wan.


    For a $20 figure, we'll get (on a character like Grevious mind you) NO GOOD ARTICULATION! Grevious doesn't wear clothes, so rule that out. A cloth cape - sure. We'll get that. Big deal. Hope it's durable and has a nice sheen to it. Meanwhile, even if he comes with 4 lightsabers and blades, that's just recycled stuff.

    Articulation is the only way to make this character really cool as a 12" (besides his size and originality as a centerpiece in your 12" collection). I just really worry that with the struggling 12" market (prior to the VOTC 12" which are over the regular price range anyway), that Grevious will not come out that good.

    I hope we are pleasantly surprised by all these.

    I PLAN TO BUY EVERY ONE OF THEM.

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    Re: Rumor: 12" Bariss, Aayla Secura, Anakin-Vader Transformation, General Grevious

    The new movie will give the 12" line a nice boost. Hopefully the body issues have been evolving since the 12" line as dried up. This movie characters will be the last big opportunity for Hasbro to get a series of 12" figures right. They've had a few hits but most have been misses.

    Female Jedi figures are long over due. Hopefully we'll get our Kit Fisko (sp?) too.
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  3. #3

    Re: Rumor: 12" Bariss, Aayla Secura, Anakin-Vader Transformation, General Grevious

    So Grievous won't be wearing clothes? I guess the rumors of a PG-13 are true!

    All of these sound pretty cool, though I really want a Kit. Hasbro could make a Kit Fisto Collection of Kit resculpts packaged with other random characters (Kit and Logray?) a la the Princess Leia Collection from a few years back for all I care. And if it doesn't do well to justify more Kit swag, I'll buy up the backstock!

    I don't mind Aayla outfit at all, but it always seemed quite un-Jedi to me. Most of the Jedi have what are basically uniform robes, except Anakin, who has to stand out. So why one random Jedi running around Baywatch-style?

    Like I said, I won't complain, but it always seemed kinda weird.
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    Re: Rumor: 12" Bariss, Aayla Secura, Anakin-Vader Transformation, General Grevious

    I personally have always felt that the 12" line should be kept for the main characters and that the 3 3/4" line should be reserved for the more obscure ones like Bariss Offee and Aayla. I just can't justify spending $20 on a character that's in the movie for 3 seconds even if someone has written a backstory for them bigger then Luke's.

    I'm just frustrated that people try to find the next SW icon and build them up. The worst for me is Aurra Sing.
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  5. #5

    Re: Rumor: 12" Bariss, Aayla Secura, Anakin-Vader Transformation, General Grevious

    I have to agree with Slicker in some part. Look at what we still DO NOT have in 12" 'main characters:'

    TPM:
    Anakin as Padawan (celebration)
    Padme in ...pre-senate, post-senate, celebration gowns
    Darth Sidious
    SENATOR Palpatine
    Captain Panaka
    Destroyer Droid
    Nute Gunray
    Ruune Haako

    AOTC:
    Anakin with Jedi Robe
    Obi-Wan with Jedi Robe
    Padme...Pilot, Senator, Travel, Lake, waterfalls, black leather, Tatooine, wedding
    C-3PO
    Boba Fett (junior)
    Dexter Jettster
    JarJar Binks
    Supreme Chancellor Palpatine
    Lama Su & Taun We
    Cliegg, Owen, and Beru
    Poggle the Lesser
    Wat Tambor
    San Hill
    Shu Mai

    ANH:
    Owen & Beru
    Momaw Nadon
    Dr. Evazan
    Zutton
    Gonk Droid


    ESB:
    Han Bespin (resculpt, single-box)
    Leia Bespin
    Lando Smuggler's Gear
    Hoth Rebel Soldier
    General Rieekan
    General Veers (with removeable Hoth gear)
    Captain Piett
    Ugnaught
    Bespin Security Guard


    ROTJ:
    Han Carbonite Deluxe
    Leia Endor (single-box, not-smiling like Barbie)
    Lando General
    Mon Mothma & General Madine
    Moff Jerjerrod
    Royal Guard (sold separately)
    Jabba Skiff Guards (Weequay, Klaatu, Barada, Nikto - some or all)
    Ree-Yees & Tessek
    Paploo & Teebo
    Max Reebo BAND as rumored (it'd be cool, but I don't care THAT much)

    Anyway, I tried to stick to mainstream, but I know I diverged. This is about main characters that DID something or spoke to some extent more than Bariss Offee. Aurra Sing is just cool in concept, so I don't find fault with her being made that much - but the price....

    Well, that's that folks.

  6. #6

    Re: Rumor: 12" Bariss, Aayla Secura, Anakin-Vader Transformation, General Grevious

    I think I smell another Tycho poll thread.


    Either way I hope Hasbro makes these with quality.
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  7. #7

    Re: Rumor: 12" Bariss, Aayla Secura, Anakin-Vader Transformation, General Grevious

    Well said, Tycho.
    In the past, Hasbro's excuse for not giving us more new characters was that they had to keep the "core" characters in each wave. Thus cheapening each wave with boring, poorly crafted rehashes that, amazingly, some people would by for whatever reason.
    Now, they are going to put out obscure prequel background charactes a la Aurra Sing in hopes that male collectors will be sexually atracted to them??? Give me a !@$%%&*ing break! Either let the dying line rest in peace or give us Lando General, Leia Bespin, General Veers, Nien Numb, etc.

  8. #8

    Re: Rumor: 12" Bariss, Aayla Secura, Anakin-Vader Transformation, General Grevious

    as long as the ladies don't have barbie bodies, i'm happy with those choices.

    i don't want an anakin/vader combo figure.

    i want them released as separate figures.

    one really cool anakin jedi figure with a great sculpt and super articulation and a really cool darth vader figure released separately.

    i hate the body hasbro used on the 14 inch vader. no artuculation and a way too bulky torso and big mittens for gloves and a badly sculpted helmet. the rubber shoulder pads sucked too. we need them in hard plastic and they need to cover his back, not hang like some rubber baby bib.

    we need a new body and a new helmet sculpt. both attempts hasbro has made have sucked. i want a real scanned, three piece removable helmet that features hayden under the mask.

    i could care less about grevious. i'll pick him up on clearance at target like i did with the super battle droid and regular battle droid.

    the only way grevious would be cool is if he were diecast metal with cool articulation!.

  9. #9

    Re: Rumor: 12" Bariss, Aayla Secura, Anakin-Vader Transformation, General Grevious

    Awesome list Tycho! You had all of the ones and more that I was to lazy to make into a list. The one 12" figure that I've wanted since 99' is the destroyer droid. The 3 3/4 looks great all that they would have to do is increase the dimensions and walla! you have the 12" version.
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  10. #10

    Re: Rumor: 12" Bariss, Aayla Secura, Anakin-Vader Transformation, General Grevious

    I stopped buying from this line. I wish they were just better and came out more often. I wish Sideshow coul pic up the rights to do it. Maybe one day.
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