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  1. #11

    Re: So help me, I'm starting to actually LIKE some country music in my old age!

    Quote Originally Posted by El Chuxter
    when you get down to it, labels "blues," "country," "folk," and "rockabilly" can all be used to describe the same thing.
    Wha!? Hardly. While they might have the same roots, it'd be a stretch to put Sydney Bechet; John Lee Hooker; Son House; Memphis Slim; Peter, Paul & Mary; Waylon Jennings; and Faith Hill all in the same discount bin. VERY distinct kinds of music across that spectrum despite having the same ancestors. Blues I love. Jazz I like. Real R&B I love (not that garbage urban crap they call it now). Rockabilly is great sometimes. Swing is cool to a point. Country...that twangy down-home stuff just doesn't do it for me personally. Maybe you had to grow up in the Red State South to truly appreciate it. I don't know.

  2. #12

    Re: So help me, I'm starting to actually LIKE some country music in my old age!

    I didn't mean all those labels can always describe all music. But there are quite a few artists who can fall into more than one of the traditional categories, depending on how you look at them:

    Leadbelly
    Mississippi John Hurt
    Elvis Presley
    Arthur "Big Boy" Crudup
    the Band
    the Grateful Dead
    Jimmie Rodgers
    Hank Williams
    Charlie Daniels
    the Eagles
    Steve Earle
    Carl Perkins

    That's just a few. Even look at two of the giants of their genres, Willie Nelson and Ray Charles. No one's ever going to convincing argue Ray wasn't soul and Willie isn't country. But one had his most critically acclaimed album singing country & western and the other his most acclaimed album teaming with a legendary R&B producer and singing soul and reggae songs. Can you guess which? Here's a hint: it wasn't Willie who recorded Modern Sounds in Country & Western Music.

    My point is just that the lines aren't nearly as clearly drawn as the industry makes them out to be.

    Even if you disagree, I hope you'll at least concede that Janis' version of "Me and Bobby McGee" freakin' rocks.
    Tommy, close your eyes.

  3. #13

    Re: So help me, I'm starting to actually LIKE some country music in my old age!

    Quote Originally Posted by El Chuxter

    Even if you disagree, I hope you'll at least concede that Janis' version of "Me and Bobby McGee" freakin' rocks.

    I'll concede to that.
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  4. #14

    Re: So help me, I'm starting to actually LIKE some country music in my old age!

    Quote Originally Posted by El Chuxter
    IMy point is just that the lines aren't nearly as clearly drawn as the industry makes them out to be.
    Well, no, of course not. Unless we want to peruse all the CDs in nothing but alphabetical order, it helps to herd artists into one genre or another. It's not always fair or accurate, but most of the time its close enough to give the consumer an idea what they're buying. I mean, even if Ray Charles digresses into more "traditional" country for a song or even a whole album, if I'm a big enough Ray Charles fan to realize that a new album came out, I probably won't be too disappointed. But I do recall back in the day when Paul Simon went on the road with Graceland, quite a few older baby boomers (like my mom) were disappointed that he wouldn't be singing the classic tunes from Central Park. Sting's foray into the Dream of the Blue Turtles turned off more than one teenage fan of the Police. But more often than not, those genre labels are stuck onto the artists instead of the work they do so one would find Dream of the Blue Turtles in with ROCK instead of Easy Listening at first.

    Even in my own RealPlayer jukebox, I find it ten times easier to just lump artists into one category or another instead of meticulously going through every single song and giving it its due. Just try to categorize the Fleetwood Mac library! Is it Pop? Rock? Easy Listening? Blues? All of the above? None? Yikes!

  5. #15

    Re: So help me, I'm starting to actually LIKE some country music in my old age!

    Quote Originally Posted by Stilla
    Just try to categorize the Fleetwood Mac library
    Don't tempt me

    Is Roger Miller a country act??? that'd be a good example of the blurring of the lines in the whole folk/country/blues

    What about Big Rig music, like Red Sovine???

    And just a quick aside- Chux- at a yard-sale this summer I bought a CD of a solo performance by Mississippi John Hurt for 2 dollars- it is really interesting to listen to old 78's of his stuff from the 30's and then follow the evolution of those tunes- that dude kicked almost as much butt as Lonnie Johnson (who if you haven't heard, you must, I command you, 'specially the stuff with Eddie Lang, that stuff is SICK)
    Something about him reminds me of my older brother, Rex.

  6. #16

    Re: So help me, I'm starting to actually LIKE some country music in my old age!

    I've not yet heard any of Lonnie Johnson's work but I did see him play live with Aerosmith at a concert I attended a few years back.

  7. #17

    Re: So help me, I'm starting to actually LIKE some country music in my old age!

    Yearrrgggh, Caesar, don't confuse the old boy- I was talking about the Original guy, who was "big" in the 20s and 30s, and passed away in a most un-bluesman fashion, dyibg finally of old age in the late 70's

    He was an acoustic master, his playing was pretty much like really werid jazz, but it sounds a lot like Delta blues, too, in the forms- he was playing blistering solos in 1924, beating the supposed "invention" of the solo by a few decades.... look into him and you might like it
    Something about him reminds me of my older brother, Rex.

  8. #18

    Re: So help me, I'm starting to actually LIKE some country music in my old age!

    Oops. Sorry.

    Well anyway, I know this isn't a Blues thread but I'll stand by my thread and say I enjoyed the contemporay man of the same name. And his father, Donnie. (Was it is father or his brother ? I can't recall).

    Nothing more to see here, move along.


  9. #19

    Re: So help me, I'm starting to actually LIKE some country music in my old age!

    When I was but a child back in the 1970's, my parents usually had the country station on. I didn't much care for it and would rather listen to the pop/rock station. The music must have stuck with me though. I enjoy a lot of the old country music from the 70's and before. Johnny Cash, Marty Robbins, Merle Haggard, Dolly Parton, Tanya Tucker, etc. I'm almost tempted to order during those infomercials for the classic country collections. Hearing the old songs bring back memories I guess. Also, I think a lot of it is just familiarity. Most modern country doesn't do it for me. Once in a while I'll turn on the bluegrass or classic country channel on the digital cable music and that sounds much better.

    At this point, I think the only country CD I own is Johnny Cash 16 Biggest Hits, though I guess the Best of Commander Cody might qualify as country too.

  10. #20

    Re: So help me, I'm starting to actually LIKE some country music in my old age!

    Actually, I am sort of guilty of this same sort of thing... when I was a wee lad Gordon Lightfoot was HUGE up here in Canada... for years hearing even a bit of his warbling folk-sey stylings made me cringe...

    For some reason, a few years ago, I started wondering if his stuff was as bad as I remembered, and after taking a cassette out of the library I somehow got hooked- it really was as bad as I recalled, but the nostalgia thing posty333 noted somehow had me worse than I could have imagined....

    I now have over half of his catalogue and am somehow compelled to complete my collection....

    And I wouldn't call him "country", but he is pretty much the Canadian cultural equivalent... a couple of weeks ago me and a buddy who went through the same sequence of re-discovery actually got together and listened to nothing but Lightfoot for a whole afternoon, even.....

    There, I've said it

    Something about him reminds me of my older brother, Rex.

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