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  1. #1

    What's Ultimate Collector Series or not?

    I think that the very first time I ever saw the Ultimate Collector Series being announced was at Sir Steve's Star Wars Guide some time before the Christmas of 1999 and I got really excited about the coming 1:28 scale model sets of the 7181 T.I.E. Interceptor and 7191 X-Wing Fighter that was released here in 2000.
    From the way that the Ultimate Collector Series was announced with these two 1:28 scale model sets I got the impression that this was the begining of an entire line of 1:28 scale model sets of both the smaller one and two man Rebel and Imperial fighters that was seen throughout the entire Original Star Wars Trilogy.

    Then in 2001 I saw the release of 10018 Darth Maul Bust and 10019 Rebel Blockade Runner and I got the impression that this was another Star Wars line created by The LEGO Group for the really huge starships and the way they were announced as Sculptures on Shop at Home I simply couldn't see it as anything else.
    In 2002 7194 Yoda - Jedi Master was released as an "Ultimate Collector Series" model set and I got really confused but eventually I thought that it was an Ultimate Collector Series model set due to it's nature but then came along the 10026 Naboo Starfighter and 10030 Imperial Star Destroyer and messed it up further.

    The 10026 Naboo Fighter wasn't 1:28 scale and I was disappointed with that even if it were more accurate then the System Set but what I wanted was something in scale with the T.I.E. Interceptor and the X-Wing Fighter and not a Special Edition version becuase that was something totally different then first announced.
    However, I did accept the fact that the 10030 Imperial Star Destroyer was released as a Ultimate Collector Series model as it was an ultimate model set of the starship but I thought it was really odd that it wasn't released as a Sculpture like both the Darth Maul Bust & Rebel Blockade Runner initially were in the begining.

    So I started to realize that The LEGO Group had messed up the whole Ultimate Collector Series idea as it was first announced and when the Ultimate Collector Series 10129 Snowspeeder model set was released in "1:15 scale" in 2003 I truly realized that The LEGO Group had abandoned the whole 1:28 scale concept.
    To make things worse The LEGO Group placed the Shop at Home Exclusive of the 10123 Cloud City System Scale Playset under the Ultimate Collector Series cathegory on their website and all of a sudden basically everyone all over the place started to call Shop at Home Exclusive System Sets for Ultimate Collector Series.

    So last year The LEGO Group released the 10131 T.I.E. Fighter Collection System Scale Set and basically everyone called it Ultimate Collector Series when it was just a Shop at Home Exclusive and later the 10134 Y-Wing Starfighter was released as an Ultimate Collector Series model set but not in the original 1:28 scale.
    The way the Ultimate Collector Series originally was announced made me believe that it was a range of all these one and two man fighters done in 1:28 scale and the way the huge spaceships were announced as Sculptures made me believe it was another line and it's sad that The LEGO Group abandoned this concept.

    Being originally a model kit builder and collector the whole issue of scale and accuracy has always been really important to me as I always wanted model kits that were in scale and accurate compared to all of the original filming miniatures from film and television that I've come to want as model kits but that's a hard thing to come by.
    Yes I do know that LEGO was originally being made for and aimed at kids and younger teenagers but with The LEGO Group releasing sets for us AFOLs one could sure as hell ask for more as we do pay a whole lot for all of these so called Ultimate Collector Series model sets so why The LEGO Group kind of destroyed a good idea is strange.

    For the love of God I simply can't understand why they did the 10129 Snowspeeder in 1:15 scale instead 1:28 because that way it would've been in scale with the T.I.E. Interceptor and X-Wing Fighter and smaller and therefore also much cheaper and then maybe the younger builders and collectors could afford it as well.
    The same goes for both the 10026 Naboo Fighter and the 10134 Y-Wing Starfighter that are made in yet two other type of scales and that's just as bad as the old and crappy MPC, Airfix, MPC/ERTL, AMT/ERTL and Racing Champions Star Wars model kits from the 70's and 80's that were made in scales all over the charts.

    And for the love of God why do most of you guys call all the Shop at Home Exclusive System Scale Sets for Ultimate Collector Series?

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    Last edited by Sweden; 02-22-2005 at 06:51 PM.
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  2. #2

    Re: What's Ultimate Collector Series or not?

    I always thought that the Ultimate Collector's Series was for the Collector's of Lego rather than the occasional buyer hence the higher price point on nearly all of the Lego sets (except for the Naboo fighter which, IMO, isn't much bigger than the Ep I set ) I wasn't even aware of a certain scale I just always assumed these were for the serious Lego/Star Wars collector that wanted a little something extra out of there Lego sets to make the collection stand out.
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    Re: What's Ultimate Collector Series or not?

    I was confused too about the switch from UCS to Sculpture and back again so you're not alone. (The set numbering system is a bit weird too. Initial set numbers for Star Wars was 71xx-72xx. Then in 2003 it switched to 44xx - 45xx).

    I tried to distinguish "Sculptures" from "Ultimate Collector Series" as thus: Sculptures were busts or statues of a character and the Ultimate Collector Series were vehicles. But as Sweden points out the Yoda "sculpture" is actually billed as a UCS set on the box; the Blockade Runner was considered a sculpture. I dunno...

    For those of us amateur archivists who extensively catalog and categorize our collections such anal trivialities are important

    I've honsestly never considered the differences in scale though. Of the UCS vehicles I have the X-Wing, TIE, and Blockade Runner and but have never had them on display at the same time. I can say that the change in scale doesn't really bother me too much, but I can understand your frustration. Imagine if Hasbro didn't have a standard scale for the basic figure line. We'd get a 3-3/4" Luke in one wave, an 8" Vader the next, then they'd switch to 3" Stormtrooper the following year. Pfft..

    But I agree with Slicker that the UCS and Sculpture sets are intended for adult collectors given the price point and building complexity. They offer an alternative for older builders not interested in the mini-fig scale sets.
    Last edited by Ji'dai; 02-23-2005 at 04:29 AM.

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    Re: What's Ultimate Collector Series or not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ji'dai
    The set numbering system is a bit weird too. Initial set numbers for Star Wars was 71xx-72xx. Then in 2003 it switched to 44xx - 45xx.
    Sadly set numbers don't really mean anything any more. 67xx to 69xx was Space, 63xx to 66xx was Town, 60xx was Castle and 62xx was Pirate. It seems like about '99 (how odd) that Lego really gave up on any meaningful numbering system.
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    Re: What's Ultimate Collector Series or not?

    Sweden, are you sure the X-wing and the TIE Interceptor are supposed to be on the same scale? I don't own either, but I looked extensively at each model and the TIE seemed to be on a smaller scale than the X-wing, the cockpit seemed like it was for a smaller character.

    I've always accepted UCS as just a general "high end building system" series, I never thought it was in any specific scale. The name changes have confused me some, for sure, but I don't think the Snowspeeder would be as cool at the smaller scale since you're talking about taking it from the detailed world that it's currently in and making it only a little bigger than the current System Snowspeeder.
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    Re: What's Ultimate Collector Series or not?

    Quote Originally Posted by JediTricks
    Sweden, are you sure the X-wing and the TIE Interceptor are supposed to be on the same scale? I don't own either, but I looked extensively at each model and the TIE seemed to be on a smaller scale than the X-wing, the cockpit seemed like it was for a smaller character.
    I'm thinking that they are probably on the same scale because when I had both displayed I had the little Technic Lego guys in the cockpits and they both fit equally well almost as if the sets were made to put them in the cockpits. I don't know if it helps but it may give you an idea of the scale.
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    Re: What's Ultimate Collector Series or not?

    Well, I'm sure we can all agree that UCS doesn't stand for Ultimate Coding System.

    It seems to me that when Lego started doing this line it was for non-minifig compatible/non-Technic sets (e.g. X-Wing, TIE/I) and kept in the same vein with the DM bust and Yoda statue. With the Cloud City Set it seems that they've deviated from this trend so now it includes all SW S@H exclusives as well.

    I can overlook the numbering system cause all I really care about is the price and if the sets are kick-A.
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    Re: What's Ultimate Collector Series or not?

    Just a hair off topic....but if you had 300 bones to drop on a set would you choose the Death Star II or the Star Destroyer....
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    Re: What's Ultimate Collector Series or not?

    Slicker

    Yes, the Ultimate Collector Series was made for and aimed at the collector's and AFOL or people with thicker wallets that actually could afford all these rather expensive LEGO model type of sets that younger ones couldn't do.

    Yes, the T.I.E. Interceptor and X-Wing Fighter were officially announced and released in approximate 1:28 scale and all the other model sets are done in certain scales as well even if it wasn't officially announced to the public.

    Ji'dai

    Yeah, it was confusing when The LEGO Group made the switch from Ultimate Collector Series to Sculptures and back again because it really messed up the whole concept of what at least I was lead to believe about this product line.

    I also tried to distinguish "Ultimate Collector Series" and "Sculptures" as two totally different entities as at least I was lead to believe so because all this messed it up further and what The LEGO Group were thinking is a mystery.

    Yes, you're right that such anal trivialities are important to us weirdos.

    Yes, there are differences in scale among the Ultimate Collector Series Model Sets but it's NOT that scale difference between the Imperial Star Destroyer and the Rebel Blockade Runner that bothers me as that's impossible to do.

    What bothers me is that only the T.I.E. Interceptor and X-Wing Fighter are made in 1:28 scale while the Naboo Fighter is around 1:48 scale, the Y-Wing Starfighter in yet another scale and the Snowspeeder in around 1:15 scale.

    I quote myself from the Eurobricks website and forums:

    I'm not saying that ALL of the Ultimate Collector Series models should be one single scale becuase that's not possible or what "I" want but at least the one or two man smaller fighters becuase that's possible to do and would've been a very logic and smart business decision.

    I do love large scale model kits of certain spaceships from film and television and I've always wanted to be able to build a Rebel and Imperial fleet but with the old MPC/AMT/ERTL/Racing Champions model kits that wasn't just possible as scales went all over the charts.

    Sure, SMT - Scale Model Technologies in Canada made very fine 1:48 scale model kits but they were bloody expensive and they're gone now as they were unlicensed and got a "Cease and Desist" order from Lucas Film and on eBay they're even more expensive now a days.

    Sure, Fine Molds in Japan makes very fine 1:72 scale model kits of the X-Wing Fighter, T.I.E. Fighter, T.I.E. Interceptor, Jedi Starfighter and Jango Fett's Slave 1 but that's it and if more model kits from them are on their way is anybody's guess as it's been quite for a while.

    I think you get my point...

    End quote.

    Yes, imagine if "Hasbro" didn't have a "standard" scale or size at all for their basic figure line and then maybe the rest of you guys who doesn't seem to understand me eventually will understand what I'm actually talking about.

    Yes, it's clear that the Ultimate Collector Series Model Sets were intended as both you and Slicker says for adult builders and collectors for all of the very reasons you guys mention and that's what I've tried to say the whole time.

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    Yeah, it sure is odd I must admitt.

    JediTricks

    Well, as both the T.I.E. Interceptor and X-Wing Fighter ARE indeed made out of LEGO parts they aren't exactly 1:28 scale but more of approximately 1:28 scale and that's totally okay with me as they ARE made out of LEGO parts.

    Therefore some of the shapes and most of the fine details will not be movie accurate or in scale with the original filming miniatures and the intakes and engines of the X-Wing Fighter are clearly way to small in size but it's LEGO.

    The wings or solar panels if you like of the T.I.E. Interceptor has the wrong shape and angles and are somewhat too large but I guess that's due to the fact that no other parts exists for them or are more suitable but it's LEGO.

    I haven't made any real scale calculations on the T.I.E. Interceptor and the X-Wing Fighter but what "my" trained eye can see they're as close to 1:28 scale and as close in scale to each other as possible concidering it's LEGO.

    Gareth "Guybrush" Bowler over at From Bricks to Bothans is a real cocky dude but he's a master indeed at making "Classic Ultimate Collector Series" 1:28 Scale Model Sets so a 1:28 scale Snowspeeder wasn't impossible to do at all.

    I would rather have seen "his" design released as a Ultimate Collector Series model set for the simple reason that it's in scale with the T.I.E. Interceptor and X-Wing Fighter and the details on "his" version is good enough for me.

    Check out all of Gareth "Guybrush" Bowler's "Classic Ultimate Collector Series" 1:28 scale model sets over at From Bricks to Bothans and then tell me that you wouldn't want to see "his" versions released instead of The LEGO group's.

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  10. #10

    Re: What's Ultimate Collector Series or not?

    Quote Originally Posted by DarthQuack
    Just a hair off topic....but if you had 300 bones to drop on a set would you choose the Death Star II or the Star Destroyer....

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