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    How Does Obi and Yoda Know Vader's True Identity?

    This is one of those threads that kinda falls in between ROTS and the OT, so I threw it into the OT section.

    Now, I was just thinking the other day. Assuming that Obi-Wan and Yoda aren't sitting in the operating room when Vader is made, how do they know that Anakin is really Vader? Will Obi-Wan flee, thinking that Anakin is dead after their battle? If that's so, then how will he know Vader's true identity? Do they just use the Force?

    *on second thought, maybe this would be better in the ROTS spoiler section. Could a moderator move it please.*
    Last edited by Imperial Monarche; 03-30-2005 at 11:35 PM. Reason: second thought
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    Re: How Does Obi and Yoda Know Vader's True Identity?

    I believe in his turn to the darkside, before he gets crispified, he changes his name to Darth Vader.
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    Re: How Does Obi and Yoda Know Vader's True Identity?

    Quote Originally Posted by kidhuman
    I believe in his turn to the darkside, before he gets crispified, he changes his name to Darth Vader.
    Once it gets moved, I'll post the spoiler. But Kidhuman is close.

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    Re: How Does Obi and Yoda Know Vader's True Identity?

    I don't think the original trilogy even spelled out that Obi-Wan and Vader actually fought each other before A New Hope. Its only by inference in the movies and by non-movie sources that we recognize an Obi-Wan vs. dark side Anakin fight as fact. Though the final prequel appears to put an end to such speculation without question.

    If you don't want anybody to use spoilers from Episode III, there is still a way to show how Obi-Wan knew Vader was Anakin. Through simple process of elimination Obi-Wan could certainly have figured out who Vader was even without having ever seen or heard the name Darth Vader being applied to Anakin Skywalker.

    In Return of the Jedi Leia could sense that Luke didn't die on the Death Star. Obi-Wan being a very highly trained force user would certainly be able to tell if a specific somebody had died. Especially somebody who was a "good friend" and whom he trained. When the Empire suddenly had a powerful force user named Darth Vader in a cybernetic outfit mowing down all but the last two Jedi and with Obi-Wan knowing Anakin was a traitor plus sensing he was not dead, then the only logical conclusion would be to assume that Darth Vader was indeed Anakin Skywalker.

    Don't forget Yoda's ability to watch people from long distance. Yoda peeped in on Luke's life all the way from Dagobah. If force ability was fairly similar with Yoda and Obi-Wan, then Kenobi could have done the same and watched Anakin become the murderous traitor Darth Vader.
    Last edited by chewie; 03-31-2005 at 02:25 AM.

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    Re: How Does Obi and Yoda Know Vader's True Identity?

    +++ HUGE SPOILERS AHEAD - YOU ARE WARNED - DO NOT READ IF YOU DONT WANT TO KNOW +++

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    What happens is that before they fight (obi & anakin), Anakin's name has already been changed to Darth Vader.

    Right after Mace gets axed by Palps, Anakin says, hey we've both been betrayed by the Jedi (him and palps). Palps says Anakin, you are one with the order of the sith lords, henceforth you shall be known as Darth Vader....

    Thats how he gets his name!

    Yoda finds out his new name because he fights with Palpatine and says Darth Vader will be more powerful than either of us.

    So Yoda finds out the apprentice of Palpatine is Anakin & that his new name is Darth Vader. When Obi is fighting Anakin, Anakin tells Obi he has joined the Sith. With this info, Yoda & Obi put together that knowledge & deduce that Darth Vader is Anakin.
    Last edited by BanthaPoodoo; 03-31-2005 at 02:06 PM.

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    Re: How Does Obi and Yoda Know Vader's True Identity?

    At the end of the Jedi Temple slaughter Anakin and Palpy speed off in a souped up Sith hotrod speeder with a green strip across the glass windscreen and in white lettering it says 'Darth Vader hearts Palpatine' Simple really. it's all on the holo recordings Obi and Yoda watch........... honest.

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    Re: How Does Obi and Yoda Know Vader's True Identity?

    It's simple really, Vader farts & Yoda/Obi smell a disturbance in the force (smells like Mustafart).
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    Re: How Does Obi and Yoda Know Vader's True Identity?

    Since the thread has finally been moved..

    Kidhuman and Bantha Poodoo are both very close. Anakin does get his Sith name before he takes a dip in the lava. When Yoda and Obi-Wan return to find the slaughtered Jedi Temple, they find a holo recording with Anakin being knighted in the Sith by Darth Sidious. Sidious names him Darth Vader. In fact I assume the "Lord Vader." and "Riiiiise" are from the knighting ceremony, not the 'Birth of Darth Vader' in his armor.

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    Re: How Does Obi and Yoda Know Vader's True Identity?

    JJB, in the teaser, JJE's voice says yes master, so it might not be from that scene the whole Lord Vader...Rise
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    Re: How Does Obi and Yoda Know Vader's True Identity?

    Quote Originally Posted by kidhuman
    JJB, in the teaser, JJE's voice says yes master, so it might not be from that scene the whole Lord Vader...Rise
    The "Yes Master" is from the 'Birth Scene'. The "Lord Vader" and "Rise" are from the knighting. If Vader is strapped to a table, Sidious isn't going to order him to rise. Especially consider he's not rising, the table is being raised forward.

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