How did the Lars household get the speeders out?

[bigbarada]

Well, I really have nothing to say other than it's a huge continuity error that shouldn't have been overlooked.

Do you think GL should fix it SE style, either remove the Skyhopper from the inside or add it to the outside? Or should he make a formal public apology and hand out free passes to Ep2?

GL should fire that John Barry guy, he should never be aloud to work on a Star Wars movie again!!! Oh, wait......

[GNT]

Originally posted by bigbarada
Do you think GL should fix it SE style, either remove the Skyhopper from the inside or add it to the outside? Or should he make a formal public apology and hand out free passes to Ep2?

I don't think that will happen But I do think some people are overeacting about this!

[JediTricks]

I'm telling you, it flies straight UP!

As for the location, the courtyard is an open area, yet your image points to the area between the garage and a covered pit, so obviously that cannot be where the courtyard is. In fact, there's NOWHERE here it could be unless the courtyard is directly behind the garage out of view since there's no wall as high as the doorway from the courtyard to the garage. Chalk this one up to the incredible set differences in ANH like the Falcon being incredibly smaller on the outside than inside.

The first one of those "the audience will never notice" things that comes to my mind in the CT is when, during the ROTJ space battle, a bunch of TIEs appear out of nowhere when the Falcon dives into the swarm. It's not even subtle, they just pop in!

[Jargo]

I agree on the falcon thing. I was watching ESB the other day and noticed that when Lando nips up to grab Luke as he drops from the weather vane, He passes through like three floors to get to the outside of the hull. How big is the ship? Kirschner must have been on drugs or something when they filmed that one!

Back to the pit... My theory about the position of the pit is because of how close it is to the roof of the garage on the inside. It's really just a couple of feet away. The walkway that accesses the garage is leading to the subterranean rooms between the pit and the main courtyard. Thus there should be a pit behind the entance igloo on the surface that is biger than the width of the entrance igloo, owing to the size of the T-16 and the length of that walkway.

I'm guessing that the pit would be round like the courtyard but it could be long and rectangular with a sloping floor for the speeders to glide up and down.

The speeders can only float a certain distance from the ground, they can't fly like a pod can and I doubt that vertical ascension is a possibility. So they must have a driveway. Only it isn't there.

Sorry to keep bleating on, but I need to get it sorted in my mind by talking it through with you guys.

[bigbarada]

trrryyyyyinnnggggg.......toooooooo
.........ccaaaaaarre........HHHHHRRRRRRNNNNNGGGGGG GNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!

Nope still don't care. Sorry.

In all seriousness, I think Irvin Kershner understood what made Star Wars so successful and I've said this before: It's a cartoon! The ships and backdrops only exist to further the story, we're not supposed to worry about how big the Millenium Falcon is inside in relation to it's outside. When characters die they no longer have a purpose in the story thus they effectively disappear. None of this, or any Star Wars movie is meant to be taken seriously at all. It's just for fun. Scientifically Star Wars is nonsense, that's why it's so different from Star Trek. I remember reading the novel to ANH and was slightly disappointed when the author tried to explain the scientific principles behind replusorlift technology. I don't want any of this stuff explained, that's the fun of it all, not knowing.
Personally I don't see the point of books like Incredible cross-sections, as their only purpose is to extinguish the flame of mystery and wonder in Star Wars. Thus extinguishing the fun of it all.
So, if you can, don't worry about it, because the truth is most definitely NOT out there.

[Jargo]

Without wishing to raise a ray gun and start a fight...

Personally I don't see the point of books like Incredible cross-sections, as their only purpose is to extinguish the flame of mystery and wonder in Star Wars. Thus extinguishing the fun of it all

So by that token, all these threads where we explore the universe of star wars is bad? Are we all extinguishing the flame of mystery? I thought the purpose of star wars discussion was to get to the bottom of the mystery and explore further the worlds that Lucas gave us. Are you now saying that all discussions are pointless and should be ceased? Should all these threads be full of people saying things like "I like star wars...it's great.......yeah... good stuff..... um....... did I say I liked star wars....? How 'bout you?" 'cause that would be no fun at all.

Maybe you don't care about the fact that there's no inside on the outside of the homestead but I do and I want a discussion about it. If you don't care then don't enter the conversation. Simple.

Jt and I do seem to care, though JT not as much as me You've made your views known so leave me to ponder alone if you have to, just don't tell me that my questions aren't as valid as some of the vapid threads around here.

[bigbarada]

I didn't wish to offend, and if I made you angry that was not my intention and I apologize.

I actually have no problem sitting here and discussing things that seem trivial. I just don't think bashing the people responsible for these films is warranted. I don't think Irvin Kershner was on drugs when he made ESB, he was just more worried about getting good performances and making a fun, interesting movie. I've mentioned GL's "the audience will never notice theory" and for the most part it's true. Around 90% of the audience is too wrapped up in the story to care about set design and scene to scene continuity.

You're posing a question that really has no answer other than inconsistent set design. There's no way around it. I think GL just figured no one would make the connection between the model Luke was playing with and the shape in the background.

As for my comments about published works, I for one am kind of against a 'set universe.' Back in the old days the Star Wars galaxy was what the fans made of it, not what some book publisher told us it was. EU has gone way too far in trying to explain ever little detail. Details that are more fun worked out amongst fans in forums like this.

My post was not meant as a personal attack against you. Again I apologize.

[stillakid]

A while back, I remember looking at somebody's website which had an actual scientific study of the gravity constants on all the planets in the Star Wars Universe. They used all sorts of equations measuring, for instance, the time it took for objects to fall on Dagobah when Luke lost his concentration. The end result was that every planet, get this, had the same exact gravity as Earth! It was interesting and funny without being overly critical. Unfortunately I never printed it out or kept the site name. Anybody have it or the link?

[JediTricks]

Originally posted by EMPEROR JARGO
The speeders can only float a certain distance from the ground, they can't fly like a pod can and I doubt that vertical ascension is a possibility. So they must have a driveway. Only it isn't there.

I'm only referring to the T-16 Skyhopper flying straight up, not the Lars' family landspeeder or Luke's speeder. I still contend that there's a garage door that swings up, or slides out, or even possibly down to let the landspeeders out. We see a sizable gap at the back wall in the shots where 3PO is hiding (and it's MUCH more obvious in promo shots taken on that set).

As for caring about this little stuff, I care, but only up to a point where it either hurts the film or is easily chalked up to "moviemaking magic". I mean, I really DON'T care that we never see where Maul got his sith speeder from, but if an X-wing shoots a proton torpedo in the film and it's a plot point, then they better explain or show where that danged torpedo came from!

Barada, you can take or ignore as much of that sciency "trek" stuff as you want from SW, but Lucas obviously cared enough to write some of it in, and these books are the culminations of MANY fans asking for explanation and coming up with their own crazy stuff all the time. Lucas is just there to set the record straight while making a buck.

Ultimately, if you get involved enough in the SW universe to look this closely at this stuff, you can spend the rest of your lives hashing it since it's only opinion, or you can get the Lucasfilm-approved explanations. Even then, if I see something I don't like (such as "midi-chlorians", or "midi-chlorians conceiving Anakin", or "Anakin building C-3PO") I will simply overwrite my memory of those events to either totally disappear OR even better, to show how the point of view we saw that stated that only had a partial slant, and there's more to the story (such as "midis are the result of the Force, not a communication device", or "Qui-Gon is the father, he was obsessed with fulfilling the prophecy so badly that he knocked Shmi up in secret", or "Anakin rebuilt 3PO from parts he found").

[bigbarada]

I just made an amazing find on the net, it appears to be a shot from the new Super-Duper Snazzy Edition of Episode IV: A New Hope. I guess GL was reading our minds and decided to fix this scene.

Check this out:

(this is a joke)