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    Three Kings

    This movie was awesome!

    I'm not sure what films I like George Clooney in. He's not usually near the top of my list of favorite actors, but he, Mark Wahlberg, and Ice Cube worked well in this movie.

    It was funny, action packed, terrifying at times, and everything all at once.

    The morals in the story resounded really well in spite of the realities of the Persian Gulf War - the soldiers on their own decided to help Shiites escape to Iran, and explained the grip Saddam Hussein had over many of his men.

    The convoy of luxury cars in the desert was hilarious - and even moreso because the Republican Guard thought they signaled the arrival of Saddam!

    The Iraqi interrogator who captured Mark Wahlberg and tortured him was played very human.

    The situation with America being looked upon as liberators (by the Shiite) was also well documented - as was the decision to abandon them.

    It begs the question of whether there really is justice in George Jr.'s invasion to overthrow Saddam and finish what his father didn't?

    Only some of the Sunni point of view was represented however, and the sectarian violence that's happening today makes taking only one side of things very unfair.

    Actually, you can almost support the Iraq War by watching this film and feeling with the oppressed Shiite people.
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    I always find myself in a minority when I say this, but the movie was heavy-handed and preachy, and the cinematography extremely annoying. I had not yet discovered O Brother, so this was another reason to hate George Clooney: he ruined the unbroken string of cool movies for Wahlberg and Cube.
    Tommy, close your eyes.

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    How can the movie be "heavy-handed and preachy?"

    OK, you felt sorry for the Shiites under Sunni state-sponsored terrorism.

    But during MarK Wahlberg (Troy's) torture scenes, the Iraqi interrogator asked why the US doesn't help other troubled regions? He answers the rhetorical question by pouring oil down Troy's throat - saying that protecting Kuwait's oil reserves was what it was all about.

    I think that gets across a huge and mainstream liberal point.

    That the Shiites worshiped Bush as their savior might have also been true - as well as the Sunni's priority being the putting-down of the Shiite rebellion and how they pretty much ignored the US soldiers.

    The movie does make you gain sympathy for the Shiites, but there's no comparing the situation with say Darfur, because Darfur was not in the movie. The film stayed topical about exactly what it was about: the Gulf War I and a gold heist in the midst of it.

    In the end run, our protangonists became reluctant heroes in a crazy world.

    It's a great movie I want to watch over again.

    And no I'm not pardoning George Jr. because of it (nor what I suspect his father of) - I'm noting that my dislike for George Sr. cannot be totally black & white. The Bush family might be self-serving, but if you think about it, so were the protagonists in Three Kings. On top of it, both situations (the current Iraq War, and the heist in 3 Kings) might resolve themselves for the better for the majority of the Iraqi people.

    However, that country needs to be partitioned to bring peace to it: Sunniland, Kurdistan, and Shiiteville - NOW!
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    Quote Originally Posted by El Chuxter View Post
    I always find myself in a minority when I say this, but the movie was heavy-handed and preachy, and the cinematography extremely annoying.
    It was definitely a message movie, and it sure did beat you over the head with it. I didn't really mind that too much, though.

    I think the writer, in retrospect, can be heavily criticized for skylarking and hypothesizing that Iraqis are funloving people who, once rid of Saddam, would be happy campers.

    I still really like, it, though. Spike Jonze cracks me up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JON9000 View Post
    I think the writer, in retrospect, can be heavily criticized for skylarking and hypothesizing that Iraqis are funloving people who, once rid of Saddam, would be happy campers.
    I think that today's current events thoroughly disprove that.

    Priviledged Sunni want Saddam back.

    The Shiites are not so fond of the U.S. as the movie and propoganda would have you believe. They want a Muslim theocracy more than any other sect. If given democratic tools, as far as their limited understanding of such tools allows, they'd vote in a Taliban-regime.

    I'm not sure what the Kurds want, but autonomy is part of it. They are originally nomadic and it would be akin to the North American Indians being allowed to roam their old traditional territories and kill any cows they needed that were being ranched on their ancestral stomping grounds. Our government didn't allow it and made the Reservation System. Now our Natives are happy with their casinos, but Islam forbids gambling, so that leaves that one out. The Iraqi government, what was a dictatorship then, and what passes for a weak coalition now, cannot control them. I don't know, but maybe the Kurds could go into the hotel, resort, and theme park business? Then they could nomadically wander between their hotels (without casinos).

    But the Shiites would want them to conform to strict Islamic cultural customs and the Sunni would want to tax them and hold them accountable to common Iraqi law.

    Partitioning the country still seems like the most viable thing to do, IMO.
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    Just because a film has a decent message, it doesn't mean that it successfully delivers said message.

    And the crappy cinematography is still unforgiveable.
    Tommy, close your eyes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Chuxter View Post
    Just because a film has a decent message, it doesn't mean that it successfully delivers said message.

    And the crappy cinematography is still unforgiveable.
    I think it did deliver its message and the look to the cinematography is intentional - the blurring, white-outs, green-outs, etc.

    I own this film on VHS and at the beginning of the tape it has text stating that the color changes and shifts in filming techniques were intentional. If you've ever watched The Shield on FX, they use similar techniques to add a sort of "Cops" realism to the flick. You might not appreciate the style - but it wasn't crappy cinematography. It was just cinematography to your taste.

    There's at least one scene or more in the Battle of Geonosis that uses a similar technique when they zoom in on Obi-Wan's gunship as it makes its way through the debris storm as they're about to spot Dooku and order the Clones to pursue him.

    I liked that sort of technique - not constantly mind you - but it's not overdone in a war movie like Three Kings. On The Shield when they use that technique during prisoner interrogations or worse, during poker games, it gets a little annoying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tycho View Post
    There's at least one scene or more in the Battle of Geonosis that uses a similar technique when they zoom in on Obi-Wan's gunship as it makes its way through the debris storm as they're about to spot Dooku and order the Clones to pursue him.
    And that scene stands out like a sore thumb more than Jar Jar Binks in the Bespin Duel would. The technique is gimmicky, a fad (thankfully one that seems to be fading), adds little or nothing to a film, and, in Star Wars, totally breaks the flow of the movies because it is absolutely not a SW shot.

    I've complained about that shot many times before.
    Tommy, close your eyes.

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    Well, I like that shot. So there we are.
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