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    Cool Palpatine drops his facade.

    Underneath his pleasant, compassionate exterior Chancellor Palpatine is the wrinkled, red eyed Emperor from ROTJ. I do not expect the audience will see Palpatine show his true personality until the third act of the PT.

    I started this topic to discuss the different ways this event could transpire.

    Here are factors that I think would enhance the scene or are necessary for it to happen.

    For Palpatine to express this side of himself, he either needs to be EXTREMELY secure in his office (more so than I think he will be at the close of E3), or he is interacting with a character that either doesn't threaten to expose him, or is someone that he can trust. I don't think that he can simply step into the freshly dubbed Emperor's pod in the Senate chamber and begin hissing at his fellow politicians as he does when speaking to Vader in ROTJ.

    The nature of the third film could also play into this revelation. According to Lucas it is primarily about Anakin Skywalker's fall from grace. The Anakin we see at the end of AOTC will most likely not be the Anakin we see at the open of E3, or the Anakin we see at the close of the film. I think that being involved in the war effort is partially responsible for the change we see at the open of E3, but his developing relationship with Palpatine is probably a major factor as well.

    The changing of the gaurd could influence the nature of the revelation as well. It is possible that the Jedi instigate the rebellion against Palpatine. There reason for doing so may very well be because Palpatine has allowed the Jedi to see him for what he is, knowing that their only choice would be to turn on him when his popularity is at it's peek.

    Theory 1:

    A Jedi (perhaps Obi Wan) confronts Palpatine and his appearance changes as well as his personality. Eyes glow red, etc.

    Theory 2:

    The revelation of the fully realized Darth Vader is twinned with Palpatine's revelation to the audience. We see the two conversing and Vader's dark robed master lifts his head enough to see the face beneath the hood.

    It could also be a combination of the above theories, or something entirely different.


    Got a theory on this revelation?
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    GL said in an interview once that the entire outline for the prequels could be found in the prologue of the original Star Wars novelization published in 1976. The exact quote from the book concerning Palpatine's actions once in power is:

    "Aided and abetted by restless, power-hungry individuals within the government, and the massive organs of commerce, the ambitous Senator Palpatine caused himself to be elected President of the Republic. He promised to reunite the disaffected among the people and to restore the remembered glory of the Republic.

    Once secure in office he declared himself Emperor, shutting himself away from the populace. Soon he was controlled by the very assistants and boot-lickers he had appointed to high office, and the cries of the people for justice did not reach his ears."

    Of course, when he actually feels secure in office is another matter. But I think ten years (between Ep1 and 2) is plenty of time to secure himself in the position. So we might see him declare himself Emperor in Ep2 but most likely Ep3.
    "To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence… When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up." - C.S. Lewis

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    Originally posted by bigbarada
    GL said in an interview once that the entire outline for the prequels could be found in the prologue of the original Star Wars novelization published in 1976. The exact quote from the book concerning Palpatine's actions once in power is:

    "Aided and abetted by restless, power-hungry individuals within the government, and the massive organs of commerce, the ambitous Senator Palpatine caused himself to be elected President of the Republic. He promised to reunite the disaffected among the people and to restore the remembered glory of the Republic.

    Once secure in office he declared himself Emperor, shutting himself away from the populace. Soon he was controlled by the very assistants and boot-lickers he had appointed to high office, and the cries of the people for justice did not reach his ears."
    Hmmm... sounds like someone else... but who? (here's a hint: first name is "George", last name is "Lucas")

    I think once GL decided to add Gungans and Qui-Gon and a 9-year-old Anakin slave subplot that wasn't in the original story, he sorta left that little blurb about being true to the prologue behind.

    I think Palpatine will show his true self by the middle of Ep 2, with obvious hints that are totally abused by Ep 3.
    Darth Vader is becoming the Mickey Mouse of Star Wars.

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    The use of a lightsaber does not make one a Jedi, it is the ability to not use it.

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    Wow, I never thought of it that way, JT, but now that you mention it it does sound just like GL. MY GOD!! I've been a pawn my whole life, dupped into furthering the ambitions of one man!!!! My whole life is a lie!!!! What am I......ooooooh, looky new Star Wars toys!!!!.......
    "To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence… When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up." - C.S. Lewis

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    Originally posted by JediTricks
    Hmmm... sounds like someone else... but who? (here's a hint: first name is "George", last name is "Lucas")
    Are you talking about our George Lucas,Star Wars God?

    GNT
    ''
    You fool, my reach is far greater than the Jedi.Only a Sith can wield the force over such a great distance.'' - Darth Sidious

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    Sorry GNT, barada got it first.

    Lucas also said he didn't want to be a corporate-type guy who's all about money like his dad when he was older...
    Darth Vader is becoming the Mickey Mouse of Star Wars.

    "In Brooklyn, a castle, is where dwell I"
    The use of a lightsaber does not make one a Jedi, it is the ability to not use it.

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    "I think Palpatine will show his true self by the middle of Ep 2, with obvious hints that are totally abused by Ep 3."

    Would you care to elaborate JT?

    "Of course, when he actually feels secure in office is another matter. But I think ten years (between Ep1 and 2) is plenty of time to secure himself in the position. So we might see him declare himself Emperor in Ep2 but most likely Ep3."

    I agree for the most part bigbarada.
    ubi mel ibi apes

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    Thumbs up

    This may sound a little crazy, but the Emperor can be viewed much like Hitler. A man who obtained the confidence of the people, rose up into power, and eventually taking total control and becoming emperor. I think that the nice guy image of Palpatine with last as long as possible before the Emperor comes out.
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    "Quote the Raven, Nevermore."

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    You could take that Hitler metaphor even further with the use of anti-alien platforms to further his political standing with the people, and Palpatine's use of "stormtroopers".


    As for my comments, in Ep 2 I think we'll have Palpatine wearing a Darth Sidious robe and taking off the hood, and acting more like the Emperor did in ROTJ, and by Ep 3 it'll be ridiculous with "Palpatine is Sidious" references, worse than ROTJ with "Vader is Luke's dad" stuff.
    Darth Vader is becoming the Mickey Mouse of Star Wars.

    "In Brooklyn, a castle, is where dwell I"
    The use of a lightsaber does not make one a Jedi, it is the ability to not use it.

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    The Evil Grin

    I have been looking for an "evil grin" on Palpy for the last 2 movies. I thought I had seen one as Amidala was walking out of his office on TPM but it wasn't one. Palpy has been doing a good job of not letting "the audience" know (if we didn't) that he is up to something.
    No matter how I die, even if there is a suicide note; it was murder. Cheers!
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