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    Is POTF2 "Vintage?"

    So it's been, what, going on 15 years now since the launch of the POTF2 line? In my meanderings about Ebay I often see figures from that line, all the way up to (but not usually including) Ep.I, referred to as "vintage." I always scoff a little, but I am beginning to wonder if the sellers have a point.

    In 1995, it had been a decade since the POTF line ended. And in 1995 the POTF line was considered part of the "true" Vintage line, right? And here we are, some 10 years since POTF2 was winding down. Is it time to begin including the POTF2, neo-Kenner stuff "vintage?"

    It's all semantics, I know, but it's been bugging me a little.

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    The simple answer is no, POTF2 is not 'vintage' and never will be. It's the same reason GI JOE RAH can never vintage or with G1 Transformers. The names refers to well defined groups of toys.

    Any e-Bay seller that list POTF2 as 'vintage' is idiot, lier, or cheat.
    "I'm sick and tried of these motherfrakkking Sith on this motherfrakkker plane!"
    Mace Windu - Episode 2.5: Sith on a Plane

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    Quote Originally Posted by LusiferSam View Post
    The simple answer is no, POTF2 is not 'vintage' and never will be. It's the same reason GI JOE RAH can never vintage or with G1 Transformers. The names refers to well defined groups of toys.

    Any e-Bay seller that list POTF2 as 'vintage' is idiot, lier, or cheat.
    POTF2 is not vintage. The original Kenner Star Wars line from 1978-1985 is the vintage line. End of debate!

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    Ask again when they finally get around to updating Uncle Owen, Aunt Beru, and Dr Evazan.
    Tommy, close your eyes.

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    Old? Yes. Vintage? No.
    Darth Vader is becoming the Mickey Mouse of Star Wars.

    "We named the dog 'Chewbacca'!"
    The use of a lightsaber does not make one a Jedi, it is the ability to not use it.

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    I think alot of sellers throw the term vintage around because they know they will attract people to their merchandise and perhaps lore a naive person to buying something labeled vintage for Big $$$$ when the figure itself is worth more like $.

    I can remember going to shows in the past where people where buying the original POTF He-Man Luke thinking it was the 1977 Luke and the seller was like telling them that the figure was worth $$$$. the buyer was an uneducated mother looking to buy a Luke Skywalker for her son. she was about to pay $50 for the Luke and i stopped her and told her that the figure is not an original that it was only a few years old and that the price was insane. I told her there was a TRU around the corner that just unpacked a ton of new figures including at the time the "new VOTC" line of toys and that for the $50 she was willing to drop on one figure she couold get 5 figures at TRU. she thanked me and left the show..

    about 30 minutes later as I was leaving she came up to me with a bag full of the VOTC stuff and gave me a Darth Vader as thanks for being honest and helping her out. her son was so excited to see a bag full of Luke, Leia, R2, Ben, Han, and Vader.
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    So age alone does not qualify POTF2 as vintage, then? I totally agree that POTF2 will never - in my mind - qualify as vintage. What I'm trying to understand is why, and why so many others feel the same way.

    What makes vintage, Vintage?

    Surely there is a 20 year-old out there who looks on the POTF2 line the same way I, as a 39 year-old, look on the POTF and older lines?

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    I agree that POTF2 should never be considered vintage, but I don't think it should be classified as modern either. Right now, I believe we have four distinct times periods: vintage (77-86), "dark years" (87-94), POTF2 (95-98), modern era (99-now). I think the modern era started with the release of the first waves of Ep1 toys.

    The "dark years" were only dark if you are talking about 3 3/4" action figures; but there was still plenty of Star Wars merchandise being released during that time. There was the West End Games RPG in 1987, the Heir to the Empire novel in 1991 (which ushered in modern-EU... for better or worse), and the 1994 Micro Machines line. While Star Wars was far from being the center of media attention, it hardly vanished into thin air.

    According to Ebay, the eras break down like this:
    Episodes 4-6 (vintage): 1977-1989
    NeoClassic: 1990-2000
    Episodes 1-3: 1999-2005
    The Clone Wars: 2008

    I'm not sure if I like the term "neoclassic" but it seems to be a good way to distinguish the POTF2 line from both vintage and modern toy lines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Fossil View Post
    So age alone does not qualify POTF2 as vintage, then? I totally agree that POTF2 will never - in my mind - qualify as vintage. What I'm trying to understand is why, and why so many others feel the same way.

    What makes vintage, Vintage?
    At it's simplest it's agreed upon term. I personally don't like the it. I think it's semi non-descriptive. I'd used another term, but nobody would know I was talking about. Once I rule the world that will all change of course.

    Think about Golden Age comics. Why are they 'Golden Age?' The art work is ok and the stories were mediocre at best. But anyone who knows anything about comics knows what a Golden Age is. Nobody in the 40's said "This is Golden Age of comics." The term was coined long after the fact.

    The same is true of SW figures. Until the POTF2 line there was no need to differentiate the older toys from the newer toys. The package lines worked well enough. In fact they still do work with in the Vintage framework. Just like within the Modern framework the line names work to differentiate things.

    Quote Originally Posted by Old Fossil View Post
    Surely there is a 20 year-old out there who looks on the POTF2 line the same way I, as a 39 year-old, look on the POTF and older lines?
    Maybe. The world has changed since 1985. The SW line was sold for 7 years. Hasbro only sold the original of group of POTF2 figure for about 3. The toy market is different.
    "I'm sick and tried of these motherfrakkking Sith on this motherfrakkker plane!"
    Mace Windu - Episode 2.5: Sith on a Plane

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    it may as well be vintage they're so out dated. i think the new figures that are the more articulated should be differentiated from POTF/POTJ

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