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  1. #21
    My problem with it is, if you had a perfect headsculpt before, why not re-use it instead of making a lesser one?
    Tommy, close your eyes.

  2. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by Tycho View Post
    No, you weren't supposed to take offense, I was just trying to type strong words to emphasize my point.

    Actually you are right when you say:

    "PS - no new Vaders and Lukes means no more Star Wars line, which means no chance for Shasa Tiel and company, that's how it's dared. "

    I'm just trying to say that from my perspective, I won't be buying the Vaders and Lukes.
    The question wasn't what you won't buy.

    But as to the "muscle-men" comment, I feel some nostalgia for the He-man Luke etc. I started collecting Playmates Star Trek TNG in 1992 and went to a Trek convention in 1995 to see Patrick Stewart I think. And there I head the return of SW figures was coming. I decided I'd try and see some pictures of the first 9 figures, so I went to the dealers' room. Incredibly, instead of finding pictures, I found the figures and even got Leia and C-3PO at a cheap price (for what would temporarily be coming) because the vendors didn't know she'd be rare or anything.

    So I kind of like the memories.
    The memories are far more valuable as Star Wars collectibles than those toys themselves.


    Quote Originally Posted by El Chuxter View Post
    I'd just like every resculpt to be an improvement. All of these "better articulation, worse likeness--now with improper paint!" figures are really grating on me.
    Your cruelty is unwelcome.

    Quote Originally Posted by bigbarada View Post
    I agree, the "one step forward, three steps backwards" approach is really sucking all of the enjoyment out of collecting modern figures.
    I think it's the fact that we're paying more as we're also getting compromised paint work which really digs the grave.


    Quote Originally Posted by bigbarada View Post
    I think the headsculpts are a matter of artistry not finances. So that's going to rely on skill and talent more than anything else. If you hire an untalented artist and you double his pay, he's not going to suddenly become more talented, he's just going to be overpaid. Similarly, a talented artist is going to have the same level of talent no matter what you pay him.

    The guys who sculpt these figures are artists, plain and simple. They might be artists under crushing deadlines, but they are still artists nonetheless. So, the common rules of productivity don't necessarily apply to them.
    Sculpts are about both, really. The primary sculpt may not have enough time budgeted to get it perfect, time is really money in this situation. Or the primary sculpt is a home run but there's not enough skill or time at the factory to translate it into the tooling as well as it deserves. The problem is that the figures we get are factory sculpts based on artistic sculpts, it's an extra set of hands in the process and they're thousands of miles away with not all that much oversight at those chinese vendors. When you look at some of Vennemeyer's sculpts (Dave Vennemeyer: Hasbro chief sculptor for this brand) at a convention - he often brings the wax originals and prototypes and such - they're lightyears better than the production versions and the reason becomes clear when you listen to what the team talks about with chinese factories/vendors. So Tycho is not exactly right and not exactly wrong when he says budget is part of the problem.

    To be honest though, I haven't found likenesses wanting lately, it's been more about body and/or costume problems - either sculpted or removable or cloth, doesn't matter, there's often something wrong - and articulation problems and body proportion problems and materials issues and QC and fit-n-finish issues, but standing above all of those are 2 ogre-sized problems: mediocre paint, and mediocre value.



    Quote Originally Posted by El Chuxter View Post
    My problem with it is, if you had a perfect headsculpt before, why not re-use it instead of making a lesser one?
    There are usually reasons like these given at conventions and in past Q&A:
    - the tooling is lost or unavailable in a different factory;
    - the tooling is in use for another execution, like an exclusive set;
    - the previous headsculpt no longer fits with current aesthetics or with current manufacturing or assembly (a cut-joint head that doesn't fit with the ball-jointed bodies, a hinged part that is now too expensive to assemble);
    - Lucasfilm or Hasbro wanted a different expression to give a wider range of product in the brand;
    - Lucasfilm or Hasbro feels the market will no longer bear out that headsculpt if it's been heavily used.

    Can you think of a recent example where Hasbro redid a likeness that was acceptable, replacing it with one that isn't? That reminds me more of problems of the past than of the present, I can't think of one since like '07.
    Darth Vader is becoming the Mickey Mouse of Star Wars.

    "We named the dog 'Chewbacca'!"
    The use of a lightsaber does not make one a Jedi, it is the ability to not use it.

  3. #23
    Not so much "unacceptable," but the new Bespin Leia head looks like only a lateral move to me. Since, depending upon where you buy the new one (and bought the old one), she could cost almost three times as much as the previous figure, that's unacceptable.
    Tommy, close your eyes.

  4. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by JediTricks View Post
    Sculpts are about both, really. The primary sculpt may not have enough time budgeted to get it perfect, time is really money in this situation. Or the primary sculpt is a home run but there's not enough skill or time at the factory to translate it into the tooling as well as it deserves. The problem is that the figures we get are factory sculpts based on artistic sculpts, it's an extra set of hands in the process and they're thousands of miles away with not all that much oversight at those chinese vendors. When you look at some of Vennemeyer's sculpts (Dave Vennemeyer: Hasbro chief sculptor for this brand) at a convention - he often brings the wax originals and prototypes and such - they're lightyears better than the production versions and the reason becomes clear when you listen to what the team talks about with chinese factories/vendors. So Tycho is not exactly right and not exactly wrong when he says budget is part of the problem.
    That makes a lot of sense as to why some of the sculpts seem to "go south" like they do. Kind of like comic book art - you could have the best penciller in the world, but if the inker is bad, then the art is going to look like crap no matter what.

    That's got to be frustrating for Hasbro's sculptors.

  5. #25
    Well, I think the reference to 2007 involved that Moisture Farmer Luke which included the Moisture Vaporator (I'm pretty sure - didn't buy that figure of course).

    But the headsculpt was so bad on Luke it was hard to imagine anyone buying it. Furthermore, I think it was the Yavin Ceremony Luke figure in the TAC that looked so palid because of the paint that I was referring to him as Luke Skywalker with Cancer since he really looked like he'd just returned from chemotherapy.

    As to what's left to do in basic figures being the question, I would always answer that question in terms of never-made-before-figures plus original vintage remakes.

    By my numbering, there were 102 vintage CHARACTERS made from the original Kenner collection (as I include the Rebo Band and Jabba and Salacious, plus Blue Snaggletooth). I number them as follows, and BOLDED those that haven't been re-done to exact specifications:

    1. Luke
    2. Han Bolux with Blue Max
    3. Leia
    4. Chewie Lowbacca Jedi Knight
    5. R2D2
    6. C-3PO
    7. Obi-Wan Kenobi Dark Times Obi-Wan like the SideShow Premium Statue, young w. gray hair
    8. Jawa
    9. Tusken Raider
    10. Darth Vader
    11. Stormtrooper Deak – Luke’s other “friend” with Cammie and Fixer
    12. Death Squad Commander (Imp Naval Trooper) - some people want a gray uniform like the Kenner figure. Unsure if this is authentic
    13. Death Star Droid Senni Tonnika
    14. Power Droid Brea Tonnika
    15. R5-D4 random moisture farmer on the street
    16. Hammerhead Tzzvvzzt
    17. Walrusman Rannat
    18. Snaggletooth Arliel Schlos - the Defel with red eyes
    19. Greedo space suit guy in bar
    20. Boba Fett Boba Fett with removeable helmet and longer hair (adult)
    21. Luke X-wing Wedge in civilian attire - Rogue Squadron
    22. Luke Stormtrooper (POTF) Janson in X-wing Pilot attire (snowspeeder was made)
    23. Death Star Gunner (POTF)
    24. Blue Snaggletooth (Sears)

    25. Han Hoth Han with short hair in Imperial Officer uniform
    26. Han Bespin
    27. Han Carbonite (POTF) super-deluxe Carbonite Han
    28. Luke Hoth Luke tan vest - SOTE
    29. Luke Bespin Luke Dagobah with Bespin jacket worn open
    30. Leia Hoth Leia as Rebel agent – comics – purple shirt, tan vest
    31. Leia Bespin
    32. Lando Bespin Lando Coruscant Security disguise SOTE
    33. R2D2 Sensorscope
    34. C-3PO Removeable Limbs C-3PO with lower leg off and held in hand (Bespin Escape)
    35. FX-7
    36. 21-B
    37. IG-88
    38. 4-LOM
    39. Zuckuss
    40. Bossk
    41. Dengar
    42. Imperial Officer Captain Palleon / Admiral Palleon – HTTE
    43. TIE Pilot Han Solo with short hair as TIE Pilot
    44. AT-AT Commander (Veers)
    45. AT-AT Driver
    46. Snowtrooper Torryn Farr
    47. Hoth Rebel Soldier Pellos Scrambas - old Rebel Fleet Trooper
    48. Hoth Rebel Commander Hobbie in snowspeeder pilot gear (X-wing EU was made)
    49. Bespin Guard (white with mustache) Bespin Guard - white guy without mustache
    50. Bespin Guard (black)
    51. Lobot
    52. Ugnaught
    53. Twin Pod Cloud Car Pilot
    54. Yoda

    55. AT-ST Driver
    56. Han Endor Han with short gray hair in all black, NJO
    57. Luke Jedi Luke Spirit from Legacy
    58. Luke Endor Luke in 40's in black and gray Jedi robes, as Master
    59. Leia Boussh Leia pregnant as Jedi Apprentice
    60. Leia Endor Leia as New Republic President
    61. Lando Skiff Guard Han in Corellian General Uniform (like Madine or Lando)
    62. Lando General Lando as Nkllon Mining Baron (red outfit, HTTE)
    63. R2-D2 Lightsaber Launch
    64. Admiral Ackbar Bothan Spy Master, HTTE
    65. General Madine Kyp Durron, Jedi
    66. Endor Rebel Soldier Mara Jade Skywalker, Jedi - rumored
    67. Prune Face Jacen Solo as Darth Caedus
    68. Nien Numb Jaina Solo X-wing Pilot
    69. A-wing Pilot Tycho in X-wing pilot gear
    70. B-wing Pilot Tycho in Rebel Alliance dress uniform - like Wedge's EU figure with Bossk Fey'lya
    71. Anakin Skywalker (spirit - Sebastian Shaw) Emperor Roan Fel
    72. Emperor Palpatine (proto-forming clone Emperor Palpatine - Dark Empire)
    73. Royal Guard Princess Marisiah Fel
    74. Imperial Dignitary - Sim Aloo specifically needs to be made. Sate Pestage
    75. Bib Fortuna Cade Skywalker’s friend, pilot buddy Synn
    76. Jabba the Hutt Cane Adiss
    77. Salacious Crumb Mara Jade as Ariel
    78. Sy Snootles Darth Wrylock, Legacy
    79. Droopy McCool carded Yuuzhan Vong Warrior
    80. Max Rebo Supreme Overlord Shimra
    81. Gamorrean Guard Sgt. Doaylln, skiff guard
    82. Weequay Yuuzhan Vong female shaper
    83. Klaatu Anakin Solo
    84. Klaatu Skiff Guard Tahiri
    85. Nikto Corran Horn, Jedi
    86. Barada Guri
    87. Ree-Yees
    88. Squidhead
    89. Yak Face
    90. Amanaman
    91. Rancor Keeper
    92. EV-9D9
    93. 8-D8
    94. Chief Chirpa
    95. Logray
    96. Wicket
    97. Teebo
    98. Paploo
    99. Lumat
    100. Romba
    101. Warok - card him and make it official
    102. Bikerscout

    Then I added ones in RED that have never been made but should be made.

    Next I go to the Prequel Trilogy:

    Qui-Gon
    Qui-Gon Tatooine
    Obi-Wan Obi-Wan as bounty hunter (Jedi Quest)
    Anakin racer / pilot
    Anakin Jedi Padawan
    Padme - Tatooine
    Queen - Theed Throne
    Queen - Black Travel (actually Sabe)
    Queen - Pre-Senate
    Queen - Senate speech
    Queen - post Senate
    Queen - Purple Return to Naboo
    Queen - Battle Dress (Sabe)
    Queen - 2nd Hanger Battle
    Queen - Victory Celebration
    C-3PO (naked)
    JarJar
    Darth Maul
    Darth Maul hologram
    Darth Sidious
    Darth Sidious hologram
    Battle Droid - PKU Droid
    Pilot Droid - card him
    Security Droid
    OOM-9
    Destroyer Droid
    TC-14
    Nute Gunray Tey How
    Rune Haako
    Daultay Dofine
    Senator Palpatine Senator Palpatine Hologram
    Sio Bibble
    Captain Panaka Captain Panaka with removeable hat and soft cloak
    Naboo Royal Guard (white)
    Naboo Royal Guard (Latino)
    Naboo Royal Security Naboo Royal Security (black)
    Naboo Soldier (enlisted -tan)
    Naboo Soldier (officer - red) Naboo Soldier officer – red, black ethnic variation
    Handmaiden Handmaiden purple robes from Senate
    Shmi Skywalker Handmaiden 2nd Hanger battle dress, blonde girl
    Gragga senator of the same species
    Watto Kitster
    Pit Droid style 1 (white) Wald
    Pit Droid style 1 (red) Ann Gella
    Pit Droid style 2 Tan Gella
    Sebulba Aldar Beedo
    Gasgano Ark Bumpy Roos
    Ody Mandrell Old Jira
    Teemto Pagales
    Dud Bolt
    Mars Guo
    Mahownik Bolls Rohr
    Rats Tyrell Wan Sadage
    Ben Quadrinaros
    Cleg Holdfast
    Fode and Beed
    Aurra Sing
    Quinlan Vos
    Yoda (as Jedi Council Member)
    Yoda hologram
    Mace
    Plo Koon
    Ki-Adi Mundi
    Ki-Adi Mundi hologram
    SaeSee Tiin
    Eeth Koth
    Adi Galia
    Even Piel
    Depa Billaba
    Oppo Rancisis
    Yarael Poof
    Yaddle
    Chancellor Valorum Sei Teria
    Mas Ameeda
    Lott Dodd
    Yarua
    Mon Cal Senator E.T. Senator
    Ask Aak (Gran Senator) Asks Moe, Gran Senator
    Po Nudo (becomes Separatist) Rodian Senator, Anaconda Far
    Passal Argente (becomes Separatist)
    Shu Mai (becomes Separatist)
    Orm Fre Taa (Twi'lek)
    Horax Ryder
    Gungan Warrior Gungan female
    Gungan band member (buglar) Gungan Child
    Captain Tarpals
    Boss Nass
    Gungan Council Member


    Obi-Wan Knight
    Obi-Wan hologram
    Obi-Wan (wet hair - Kamino)
    Anakin Padawan
    Anakin Peasant Disguise
    Padme Pilot Padme Senator, Palpatine’s Office
    Padme Refugee / Naboo Report Padme, Naberrie family deleted scene
    Padme black leather temptation backless dress, first kiss
    Padme Tatooine Arrival yellow dress, Naboo waterfall
    Padme Genosis Arrival (white droid factory) Nightgown, Naboo balcony, Kahoun Attack
    Padme Arena Battle Padme, Lars garage
    Padme Wedding
    R2-D2 booster rockets
    C-3PO junk parts
    JarJar (Naboo Representative) JarJar, Padme’s apartment
    Coleman Trebor
    Shaak-Ti
    Kit Fisto
    Luminara Undulli
    Bariss Offee
    Jocasta Nu
    Sirch Fi Ek
    Sora Bulq
    Pablo Jill
    Aayla Secura
    Aayla Secura Hologram
    Ashla human Jedi youngling, Liam
    Jempa
    Chian
    Rodian Jedi Zayne Carrick, KOTOR
    Klatoonian Jedi Zayne’s Snivian partner, KOTOR
    Chancellor Palpatine (dark blue) Mandalorian KOTOR era
    his bald aide (female)
    Bail Organa (blue)
    Captain Typho (pilot) Queen Jamilla
    Captain Typho (duty uniform) 6-armed server droid from the freighter
    Zam Wessel
    Jango Fett
    Boba Fett
    Clone Kid Clone Kid 2-pack with yellow and red headsets
    Clone cadet (red uniform)
    Clone Trooper
    Clone Sergeant
    Clone Lieutenant
    Clone Captain
    Clone Commander
    Clone Pilot
    Lama Su Kaminoan research science worker
    Taun We
    Elan Sleezebagano female Weequay pirate
    Ack-Med Beq Asian human lower level lurker – think it was Doug Chaing
    Danay Fatoonie Ithorian Senator
    Twi'lek girl
    Dexter Jettster Hermione Bagwa (human girl waitress
    WA-2
    Battle Droid (Geonosis red)
    OOM-9 (Geonosis red)
    Super Battle Droid
    Dwarf Spider Droid (deluxe figure)
    Nute Gunray (AOTC)
    Rune Haako (AOTC) - or it was a different Niemodian
    Poggle the Lesser
    Sun Fak
    Geonosian Worker
    Geonosian Warrior (winged)
    Wat Tambor Senator Tiikes, Quarren
    San Hill Rogwa Woodrata
    Count Dooku
    Dooku's Pilot Droid (coming out as a 2013 BAD)
    Watto (AOTC)
    Owen Lars (AOTC) Cliegg Lars
    Beru Whitesun Shmi Skywalker, Tusken prisoner
    Female Tusken
    Child Tusken
    Rikshaw Droid big flying droid factory cargo carrier droid


    Obi-Wan Master Padme hair in buns, landing platform
    Anakin Knight Padme light blue dress, different from nightgown
    Anakin Sith Eyes Darth Vader Padme Senator, birth of the Empire
    Anakin (Mustafar Vader) Padme dress with hat piece
    Padme Nightgown Ruminitions Padme
    Padme Mustafar Padme birth of the twins, white dress
    Agen Kolar funeral Padme
    Stass Allie Jedi weapons master played by stunt coordinator
    Darth Sidious (red cloak, Jedi duel)
    Darth Sidious (gray and black, Yoda duel)
    Darth Sidious (black, Mustafar)
    Magna Droid (Grievous' Body Guard)
    General Grievous
    Nute Gunray (ROTS)
    Rune Haako (ROTS)
    Lushros Dofine
    Chancellor Palpatine (black gown, Dooku's prisoner) Sio Bibble
    Chancellor Palpatine (red, Jedi Duel) Queen Appelina
    Chancellor Palpatine (red, birth of the Empire) Padme’s mom
    Utopau Administrator Padme’s dad
    P'aun Warrior Padme’s sister
    Utai Mechanic
    Polis Masan fat Polis Masan
    Mas Ameeda (ROTS)
    Zett Jukasa
    Bail Organa Blockade Runner Bail Organa Senator, birth of the Empire
    Bail Organa - Alderaan (Leia's adoption) Bail Organa Speeder Pilot
    Brea Organa (Leia's adoption) Bail Organa Landing platform
    Clone Trooper Phase II
    Airborne Trooper
    Clone Trooper (Cody's men)
    Commander Cody
    Commander Cody Hologram
    Clone Trooper (gray)
    Clone Trooper (Commander Gree)
    Clone Trooper (Kashyyyk Scout)
    ARF Trooper
    ATRT Driver
    Galactic Marine Trooper
    Commander Bacara
    501st Clone Trooper
    Shocktrooper
    Clone Trooper Star Corps (Bly's men)
    Commander Bly
    Commader Neo
    Neo’s Trooper
    Clone Pilot (ARC-170, Odd Ball)
    Cone Pilot (Imperial V-wing, black)
    Clone Pilot (Tank Gunner)
    Mustafar Lava Miner
    Mustafar Sentry
    Tarful
    Wookiee Warrior Sneak Preview
    Wookiee Warrior 1 new Wookiee Warrior 5
    Wookiee Warrior 2 new Wookiee Warrior 6
    Wookiee Warrior 3
    Wookiee Warrior 4
    Crab Droid (deluxe figure)
    Luke Skywalker (baby) [COLOR="#FF0000"baby delivery droid 1 [/color]
    Leia Organa (baby) baby delivery droid 2
    Chopper Droid Luxury Droid, fembot
    2-1A medical droid
    FX-6 luggage carrier droid

    So anyway, the above PT list might be incomplete as to who they made and there are definitely more, but the RED answers who they have left to do that they SHOULD DO to answer JediTricks' question "Who's left to do?"
    BAD Pts Need: R5-C7 lf leg (x2), , R4-P44 right leg BAD Pts Offered For Trade: PM me - I have lots of parts now including BG-J38!. New Kyle Katarn is also available.

  6. #26
    Yoda Spirit in the "modern spirit" style
    Anakin Skywalker Spirit (Shaw) in the "modern spirit" style
    Anakin Skywalker Spirit (Hayden) in the "original holo blue spirit" style (since I'd appreciate the option of being able to represent all the spirits in either artistic style)
    Cliegg Lars
    Sim Aloo

    I think that is about it for me as far as the movies go. There are a few select background characters here and there (and occasional character in a previously unreleased outfit), but the above is probably the most important of what is left to be done for me. Yeah "so-and-so" and this or that could always use an improved sculpt or articulation here and there, but by and large I'm satisfied with what figures we already got from 1995-present. Until collector toy companies came along (like McFarlane and Neca) the sculpts by and large for Star Wars were (and still are) miles beyond what most other toy companies pumped out past or present for other toy lines. Even the 1995 steroid Star Wars figures (which are moot now since newer more accurate figures of those characters have replaced everything from back then). I just don't really feel the need for owning 18 plus versions of Jedi Luke. And when it comes to never before released characters or new outfits for Amidala, etc. we are kind of scraping the barrel. After pumping out figures nonstop for close to 20 years straight Hasbro has almost hit everything that matters to me in regards to the Star Wars movies (or what any other toy company could ever possibly hope to do for any other franchise I could ever care about). Aside from the above mentioned movie figures the only thing I look forward to anymore Star Wars related (that hasn't been completely done) is Expanded Universe figures.
    Rogue Squadron-19 Golds, Battle For Naboo-18 Platinums, Rogue Leader-15 Golds/15 Aces, Rebel Strike-19 Single Golds/19 Single Aces
    James Boba Fettfield & Lord Malakite's Video Game Collection

  7. #27
    A New Hope
    Character/outfit debut
    *Arleil Schous
    *Braconnor Bakiska (Fu Manchu - could use Trinto Duaba's headsculpt as a starting point, maybe)
    *Banniss Keeg
    *Melas
    *Mosep Binneed
    *Ownellco or Atheloe (same species as Solomahal - their names were recently established and Solomahal was established as being only in the Holiday Special)
    *Tzizvvt
    *Theron Nett (Red Ten)
    *Puck Naeco (Red Twelve)
    *Lars Family Power Droid

    Resculpts
    *Han Solo (Yavin Ceremony - the 2011 one doesn't even really count for me)
    *Princess Leia (Yavin Ceremony)
    *Uncle Owen
    *Aunt Beru
    *Cantina Band Member

    The Empire Strikes Back
    Character/outfit debut
    *Toryn Farr
    *E-3PO
    *Holographic Imperial Officer
    *Bespin Security Guard (with mustache)

    Resculpts
    *C-3PO with blaster damage and accurate removable (or already-removed) limbs, such as legs removable at the knee, etc.
    *Lando Calrissian (needs a removable cape)
    *Han Solo (Carbonite)
    *Captain/Admiral Piett
    *Derek "Hobbie" Klivian (Snowspeeder Pilot - we only have an X-wing version)
    *2-1B

    Return of the Jedi
    *Cane Adiss
    *Sim Aloo
    *Keir Santage
    *Velken Tezeri
    *Vedain
    *Sgt. Doallyn
    *Yotts Oren
    *Taym Dren-Garen
    *Fozec

    Resculpts
    *Yoda's Spirit

    As you can see, I'd like to see the on-screen, in-flight ANH pilots completed (Puck Naeco only appears when Theron Nett dies, actually), as well as the skiff guards (the human ones are less interesting but I'd still like to see them) and cantina patrons (though I don't know if I need two of every alien species that had two near-identical characters). We're pretty close on all three of those. I'm also always down for more Ewoks, though since the vintage ones have all been updated and we finally have Kneesaa, I don't have any preferences on which they do from here on out. ESB is pretty close to what I'd consider complete, but it doesn't have as many background characters as the other films anyway.

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