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    Which characters could/should return for the new trilogy?

    George has outlines, but they're still working on the story, so even though we know absolutely nothing about the new trilogy's plot, it's time to start the speculation. Even if it has nothing to do with the Skywalkers or their offspring, it's a good bet that the sequel trilogy (ST?) will at least have cameos from preexisting characters. In what capacity they should be used, or if they should be used at all, is up for debate - but who might they include?

    *R2-D2 and C-3PO - Some people felt they were shoehorned into the PT, but I can't imagine films completely without them. Maybe it could be about their new owners? Anthony Daniels is always ready and willing to play C-3PO, too, though he may want to just do the voice by the time they go into production. They'd probably go with a mix of CGI and remote control for R2-D2, as they did on ROTS. Plus it's not like there's an aging factor to worry about with the droids.
    *Jedi Spirits - It's not outside the realm of possibility to have Hayden as Anakin, Yoda, Liam as Qui-Gon, or even Ewan (who mentioned his interest on Twitter) as Obi-Wan appear to the Jedi as spirits, even briefly.
    *Luke Skywalker - Mark Hamill also Tweeted his interest, and he mentioned at CV how George had asked him (I presumed it was a long time ago, but it could have been more recently) to appear in the sequel(s) and pass the torch to the new generation of Jedi. The trilogy doesn't have to be about him or his family, but I would like for him to make an appearance as a Jedi Master.
    *Leia Organa - With the established EU likely going out the window, the last we saw Leia, she had learned that she came from a family of Jedi but was hesitant about acknowledging her powers. Could she be on a reformed Jedi Council with Luke?
    *Han Solo - Harrison Ford has said he has no intent to return to play Han Solo, not finding him as interesting as Indiana Jones, but that was before the new movies were announced. With Episode VII coming seven years after Crystal Skull, I doubt he'd have an action-related role, but he could possibly appear.
    *Lando Calrissian - It seems they haven't given him a ton to do in the EU, but Billy Dee has done the voice for Robot Chicken and Detours, so it's possible he could appear in the actual films.
    *Chewbacca - Though he died in the EU, Chewie has turned up again in ROTS and TCW, with involvement from Peter Mayhew on both.
    *Clone Troopers/Stormtroopers - It could be interesting to see Temuera Morrison as an aged clone to see how they have reintegrated into society in peacetime, unless all the clones died by ROTJ.
    *Jar Jar Binks - I somehow doubt this.
    *Darth Maul - Even though he's alive on TCW, I assume he'll be killed by the end of the series, and I doubt they'll reintroduce him to the films.
    *Rebel Leaders - Wedge Antilles, Mon Mothma, and Admiral Ackbar could be involved in leading the new Republic. Hell, even Wicket could show up and blink for a few minutes.
    *Bounty Hunters - Darth Maul survived getting cut in half, so Boba Fett could surely survive the Sarlacc. We also don't know the fates of Cad Bane, Aurra Sing, or Asajj Ventress, so any of them (or any of the hunters from ESB) could appear as well.
    *Ahsoka Tano - Who knows? They might go nuts and have her survive the Clone Wars, only to reappear decades later to help the Jedi.

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    MUSTS:
    - R2 and Threepio (it was once said, although it seems NOTHING that was said before was true or false or misleading or true or false or misleading or untrue, that the story of SW was to be told through their eyes)
    - Jedi (whether that's Luke and/or his descendants, or other Force users)

    PROBABLIES:
    - Leia (she is basically the only female left that has a connection to the OT)
    - Sith (I think this makes more sense than continuing the Empire as the main baddies)
    - Chewbacca (even without Han, his age allows him to fit in anywhere)
    - some Rebels (like Wedge, Madine, Tycho, Nien, etc.)

    NOS:
    - Boba Fett (let him live in the EU, but stay out of the DT [Disney Trilogy] please)
    - Han (his age in the EU stories always gets me; he must have an awesome physical trainer/steriods provider)
    - Lando (see Han's comments)
    - Ewoks (they served their purpose in ROJ)

    COULD-CARE-LESSES:
    - Jar Jar
    - Ahsoka
    - Dash Rendar
    - Imperial officers

    Expanded Universe Characters I Wouldn't Mind Seeing:
    - Thrawn
    - Solo children
    - Winter
    - Kyp Durron, Corran Horn
    - Mara Jade

    Expanded Universe Characters I Would NOT Want Included:
    - Clone Emperor
    - Darth Cadeus
    - Lumiya
    - Yuuzhan Vong
    "May the 4th be with you?" "Why yes, thank you for asking."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. JabbaJohnL View Post
    *Luke Skywalker - Mark Hamill also Tweeted his interest, and he mentioned at CV how George had asked him (I presumed it was a long time ago, but it could have been more recently) to appear in the sequel(s) and pass the torch to the new generation of Jedi. The trilogy doesn't have to be about him or his family, but I would like for him to make an appearance as a Jedi Master.
    I completely disagree. For the new trilogy to be called Episode 7, 8, and 9; it has to be about Luke Skywalker and his family. There has to be a connection or they should start a new branch of Star Wars. Compare it to Star Trek. When Kirk was out of the picture, it became ST: Next Generation and ST: Deep Space Nine. Even Star Wars uses Star Wars: Knight of the Old Republic.

    While I would love the Thrawn Trilogy, as long as they keep it in the family, I will probably be okay with it. However, as soon as Cade Skywalker makes an appearance, I'm out.
    Nowhere in your incoherent ramblings did you come anywhere close to the answer. Thanks to you, everyone in this room is now stupider having heard you. I award you no points and may God have mercy on your soul. -Billy Madison-

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    Jaxxon

    Teek



    In all seriousness, I want Jar Jar. No joke. Even if he's long dead and it's a line about his legacy. We're owed a payoff, story-wise, for his bullcrap in TPM. He was set up to be a prankster figure, potentially beginning his own Campbell-style hero's journey, and we never got anything because Lucas flaked when fans hated the character. He needed to either save the galaxy or die a hero in ROTS, and we were cheated out of that.

    I'm not joking. He sucks, but he was intended to grow out of it. Unfortunately, the character never matured. He got more authority as a senator, but he was still the same twit who stepped in poop as a gag.
    Tommy, close your eyes.

  5. #5
    Quote Originally Posted by El Chuxter View Post
    Jaxxon

    Teek



    In all seriousness, I want Jar Jar. No joke. Even if he's long dead and it's a line about his legacy. We're owed a payoff, story-wise, for his bullcrap in TPM. He was set up to be a prankster figure, potentially beginning his own Campbell-style hero's journey, and we never got anything because Lucas flaked when fans hated the character. He needed to either save the galaxy or die a hero in ROTS, and we were cheated out of that.

    I'm not joking. He sucks, but he was intended to grow out of it. Unfortunately, the character never matured. He got more authority as a senator, but he was still the same twit who stepped in poop as a gag.
    The "payoff" within TPM is the fact that he leads Padmé to unite the humans and Gungans, bringing peace to their cultures and helping to repel the Trade Federation.

    Looking broader than that, he did grant Palpatine the powers to authorize the Clone Wars - though it was a short scene in the film, the importance of that can't really be overlooked, even though they never followed up on Jar Jar's role in ROTS. So maybe the ramifications of his actions - especially after Palpatine became Emperor - would be interesting to get into.

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    But Jar Jar authorizing Palpatine is another example of him being a bumbling fool--playing right into the villain's hands, and even talking like a half-wit ("dellow felegates").
    Tommy, close your eyes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Chuxter View Post
    But Jar Jar authorizing Palpatine is another example of him being a bumbling fool--playing right into the villain's hands, and even talking like a half-wit ("dellow felegates").
    To a point, but granting ultimate emergency powers to the most evil Sith lord of all time is a little different than stepping in bantha poodoo or having rude table manners.

    I'm not saying that it shouldn't have led to something more, or that it still couldn't, but I'm saying that it already does lead to at least something of significance.

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    I dunno. For me, one of the biggest flaws with ROTS is that Jar Jar's story wasn't resolved. He needed to do one of three things: 1) deliver one of the twins to its surrogate parents, 2) step up and do something else right, or 3) die spectacularly. I don't say #3 out of dislike for the character; I rather expected Padme and Obi-Wan to think Anakin could still be saved until he killed Jar Jar.
    Tommy, close your eyes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Chuxter View Post
    I dunno. For me, one of the biggest flaws with ROTS is that Jar Jar's story wasn't resolved. He needed to do one of three things: 1) deliver one of the twins to its surrogate parents, 2) step up and do something else right, or 3) die spectacularly. I don't say #3 out of dislike for the character; I rather expected Padme and Obi-Wan to think Anakin could still be saved until he killed Jar Jar.
    I agree, Lucas could have salvaged the character and given audiences a pay off for enduring his antics in TPM, but he caved to fan pressure and second-guessed himself, so that Jar Jar became increasingly useless in each film. If the character had an actual story arc, then maybe he wouldn't still be so hated.

    If we had actually seen him grow into someone who was competent, dignified and possibly even heroic by the end of the Prequels, then that would have justified most of the nonsense and scatalogical humor from Ep1.

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    I think the prequels could have worked without the droids, they didn't have as much to do with the main plots of each film and they weren't together as much so they weren't there as the comic relief either.

    I definitely would want Luke, Leia and Han. I wouldn't mind having Lando and Chewie as well, but I also wouldn't mind if they each were off doing their own thing either. Honestly, as much as Chewie is great, there should be more to Han by now than needing to keep Chewie around all the time.

    Leia I'm torn on the Jedi thing, she has it in her family but she's always been good at pistols and Rebellion stuff, not sabers and the Force. Also, if Luke was too old to begin the training in ESB for fear of it corrupting his Jedi soul (which it almost entirely did until he broke through), then Leia's taking on of the Force would definitely find a lot of darkness come out. I've in the past thought of Leia potentially becoming a great villain for a series of sequels, and our heroes have to work to save her rather than destroy her, but it's asking a lot for the character.

    Jedi Spirits I'm not sure I'm on board with, part of me would like more input from Obi-Wan, but at some point it seems like they need to move on and become truly one with the Force rather than clinging to helping our heroes over and over. I could possibly tolerate more Yoda but his voice has been diminished by the prequel-era material too much for me to get as interested. I would definitely not want to hear another peep from Haydenspirit though, he should really have nothing to offer whatsoever as he is shown to be the personae that was younger than any of the heroes at the end of ROTJ, and he was kinda stupid and arrogant and not terribly good at his job of being a sage Jedi wizard before he was turned to the Dark Side.

    I think all Jango clones were supposed to have died by ANH even since they had accelerated aging to contend with, The Clone Wars has dealt with that a little I think, but the canon is up in the air now. Stormtroopers being conscripts and willing troops suggests they'd still be around if there was any Imperial power left to utilize them, but with the powerbase of the Empire fractured and destroyed, I don't think there'd be any resources to create more clones.

    Jar Jar offers nothing, he's just a guy apparently and his time ended, so whether or not he'd be too old, he'd certainly have nothing to say.

    Bounty Hunters, part of me thinks it's time to put Boba's final state to rest one way or the other, but I don't really think a greater focus on the ESB/ROTJ hunters is strictly necessary, it'd be a pointless cameo or worse. Still, the concept has legs and IG-88, 4-LOM, Bossk, and Zuckuss could plausibly be around the future. Of course, are these the bounty hunters of the OT hunting bounties and waiting around for jobs, or the bounty hunters of the prequel era movies and tv that are essentially just assassins and mercenaries?

    Ahsoka needs to not be in the OT or post-OT era, if only to keep from having the audience wonder why the hell wasn't she instrumental in helping Luke and the Rebellion?


    Quote Originally Posted by Bel-Cam Jos View Post
    PROBABLIES:
    - Sith (I think this makes more sense than continuing the Empire as the main baddies)
    I could not disagree more, you bring back the Sith and you negate the entirety of the PT and OT. Why spend an entirely lifetime bringing balance to the Force through an eons-old prophecy if only to have it reversed in a single generation? I could live with Dark Side poseurs, but not the actual Sith, and surely not as the chief villains.

    NOS:
    - Han (his age in the EU stories always gets me; he must have an awesome physical trainer/steriods provider)
    - Lando (see Han's comments)
    You're assuming that this New Trilogy (NT) will take place 30 or so years after the OT, what if it only takes place 10 years or 15 years after? Harrison Ford and other actors have been making plausible action films in their 50s.

    Expanded Universe Characters I Would NOT Want Included:
    - Clone Emperor
    - Darth Cadeus
    - Lumiya
    - Yuuzhan Vong
    Now we agree on something wholeheartedly.


    Quote Originally Posted by El Chuxter View Post
    In all seriousness, I want Jar Jar. No joke. Even if he's long dead and it's a line about his legacy. We're owed a payoff, story-wise, for his bullcrap in TPM. He was set up to be a prankster figure, potentially beginning his own Campbell-style hero's journey, and we never got anything because Lucas flaked when fans hated the character. He needed to either save the galaxy or die a hero in ROTS, and we were cheated out of that.

    I'm not joking. He sucks, but he was intended to grow out of it. Unfortunately, the character never matured. He got more authority as a senator, but he was still the same twit who stepped in poop as a gag.
    You're overstating Jar Jar's importance to the Star Wars saga. He was somewhat important to the events of TPM, but that's really just a story about 1 little planet, in the global scale he doesn't matter whatsoever, he's no more important to the greater galactic tale than Wuher or Yarna or Lobot or Watto - they're all just people, they live and die their little lives, occasionally they intersect with the major players but are otherwise unremarkable. Wuher went on to tend bar and nothing else important happened. Yarna couldn't get a job shaking it anywhere else so she went to live in a retirement home. Lobot was an assistant to the next Cloud City administrator. Watto remained a small-timer whose greatest days were from around TPM. Jar Jar went back to his apartment and cried a little then collected his congressional retirement paychecks until he returned to Naboo, crawled into the swamp, and let the tadpoles eat his body as in the Gungan funereal rites.

    He's a meaningless nobody after TPM, had he not been in the senate chambers during AOTC then Palpatine would have just used someone else instead. From a story perspective, Jar Jar becomes a meaningless drone once the story moves beyond just Naboo's needs, to put him anywhere else is to shoehorn him in - what part of the character's presence in TPM suggests he should rise to greatness, aside from a touch of loyalty to his friends and making him a general based solely on a few good intentions and significantly fortunate mistakes? Bottom line: Jar Jar didn't get a completed story arc in ROTS because he didn't have a story to arc off of, his story ended in TPM. It's not like there was a suggestion that he'd continue on to become a great leader or a wicked bounty hunter or a cruel taskmaster or ANYTHING, he was a half-baked character whose role was to lead our heroes from the swamps of Naboo through the seas and then bridge their relations back to the swamps of Naboo, Jar Jar is basically the cable guy - he did a job and then when it was done he didn't hang around or go slay a dragon or go on a great quest, he just went on with his regular life.

    Not everybody is special all the time, sometimes folks are just special for an important moment then go back to being ordinary. Jar Jar was on the path to nowheresville, he was an aimless drifter not terribly unhappy to be exiled from Otoh Gunga and live on its outskirts. He wasn't written with any real thought given to who he was or where he came from, so there wasn't really anywhere for him to go.
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