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  1. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by El Chuxter View Post
    Alright, on a whim, I wasted time calculating how much $1/week at the fairly modest (but sustainable) interest rate of 0.5% APY, compounded monthly, would look like after one millennium.

    After 1,000 years, it'd be $2,152,236.93.

    If the Sith were putting in, say, $10 per week and had found an account that averaged 1% over the entire millennium, it'd be $2,422,813,889.27.

    Or, at $20 per week, which seems easily doable for someone like Palpatine, at 1.5% (not too difficult to imagine, given the sums involved), you'd be almost at a trillion dollars ($723,250,251,605.80).

    Hell, with them having no qualms about using illegal means, I don't think 3% is out of the question, earning them over four quintillion dollars ($4,004,431,492,264,610,000.00) from a total investment of $1,040,000.00 spread over one thousand years.

    True, this is useless info, but I think that in a galaxy as wide as the one in SW, an influential group (particularly one possessing mind control powers and a ton of political power) could find an account where they could keep their money for that long with no questions asked (even posing as an attention-shy religious order or family, if necessary). I'm just showing it is possible.
    Really went for the full nerding-up on that one, eh?

    Without management of an account like that, who is to say a bank will even be accruing that much interest in that time? Who is to say that value isn't wiped out by a currency change like the French New Franc or the Mexican New Peso? How could a bank even pay out on an account like that? Who ensures that bank even stays in business?

    And what happens to operating capital, or is this a "rainy day fund"?

    But to get even more out there, how do we believe that the Sith have $20 a week to spend back then? Inflation has that showing up as 23x its value only 100 years ago, today's $20 is 1913's $469.02 based on the Consumer Price Index, that same $20 1000 years ago could be perceived as a fortune all to itself. Ah for the heady days of living on Coruscant a millennium ago, when you could buy an airspeeder for $20.


    Quote Originally Posted by Tycho View Post
    Also investors in military contracts by other rich guys who Imp Dignitaries like Sate Pestage - From other rich systems. The Sith Promise them a war
    More room for leaks.


    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Metalmute View Post
    That wouldn't work at a company because all the transactions would occur with one client, the software company. However, if you did this at a bank, and only targeted personal deposits, it would go unnoticed. If you were paid weekly, and deposited 4 checks a month, you wouldn't notice that you were short a penny. If Palps took a quarter of a cent per ever personal deposit throughout the galaxy, he might be able to pay the clone fee in 4 months.
    Yeah, because it's not a bank's job to look for transactions exactly like this or anything. Apparently, this has a name, it's called "salami slicing", and while it is hard for some industries to catch, banking is not among those.

    Now I can't wait for the new trilogy...
    Perhaps you'd be more excited if Disney got Alan Greenspan to act as a script consultant? Although the way things have been looking lately, they'd probably screw that up and get Ben Stein or Ben Bernanke instead.
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  2. #22
    I heard that prior to the E7 movie, there'll be a short animated piece; either Steamspeeder Eweelee, about a happy-go-lucky Coruscant speeder taxi driver's day; or The Sith's Apprentice, a piece where a trainee sees an open Sith Holocron and creates pit droids to do all his duties (whereupon the Sith master fries him with lightning after destroying all the droids).

    I. Can't. Wait.

    Oops, this is a thread about unlikely scenarios and huge amounts of money spent. My bad.
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  3. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by Bel-Cam Jos View Post
    I heard that prior to the E7 movie, there'll be a short animated piece; either Steamspeeder Eweelee, about a happy-go-lucky Coruscant speeder taxi driver's day; or The Sith's Apprentice, a piece where a trainee sees an open Sith Holocron and creates pit droids to do all his duties (whereupon the Sith master fries him with lightning after destroying all the droids).

    I. Can't. Wait.

    Oops, this is a thread about unlikely scenarios and huge amounts of money spent. My bad.
    Wow, that's seriously labored.
    Darth Vader is becoming the Mickey Mouse of Star Wars.

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    The use of a lightsaber does not make one a Jedi, it is the ability to not use it.

  4. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by JediTricks View Post
    Perhaps you'd be more excited if Disney got Alan Greenspan to act as a script consultant? Although the way things have been looking lately, they'd probably screw that up and get Ben Stein or Ben Bernanke instead.
    No, but I would be really happy if they brought Darth Maul, Darth Sideous, and Darth Vader back from the dead as enemies...
    Nowhere in your incoherent ramblings did you come anywhere close to the answer. Thanks to you, everyone in this room is now stupider having heard you. I award you no points and may God have mercy on your soul. -Billy Madison-

  5. #25
    Y'know in some ways it's not really fair to critically analyze the Prequels because they're such an easy target. Kind of like making fun of the mentally-challenged kid because he can't do long division.

    But that's not to say it's not fun.

    However, I think there are a few factors that would make this kind of thing possible:

    1. If Palpatine could lure the general population into complacency with prosperity and comfort, then most people will become completely self-centered and won't care what their government is doing unless it directly inconveniences them.

    2. An all-powerful, central, unified government is ripe for corruption to grow unchecked. This kind of government is accountable to no one (remember the citizens have been turned into fat, contented cows happily grazing on the government's feet) and can literally get away with whatever it wants. Just think of Nazi Germany, imagine if their had been no Allied forces to confront them and hold them accountable for the Holocaust. If we had had a centralized, all-powerful, one-world government under Adolf Hitler just think of what kind of horrors our entire planet would be living under right now. This is why a unified, one-world government is NEVER, NEVER, NEVER a good idea. Because when that government becomes corrupt (it's not even a question of "if"), then you would actually have to leave the planet to escape the tyranny.

    3. Also, if Palpatine was powerful enough to fog the Jedi's minds... every single Jedi, for every waking moment, for over ten years, no matter where they were in the galaxy.... then just imagine what he could do to the minds of normal citizens. I think it's called the Plot-Hole Steamrolling Power of the Dark Side. Which is a pretty convenient power to give your main villain if you want to gloss over the fact that none of your heroes do anything that makes any sense whatsoever.

  6. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by bigbarada View Post
    Y'know in some ways it's not really fair to critically analyze the Prequels because they're such an easy target. Kind of like making fun of the mentally-challenged kid because he can't do long division.


    3. Also, if Palpatine was powerful enough to fog the Jedi's minds... every single Jedi, for every waking moment, for over ten years, no matter where they were in the galaxy.... then just imagine what he could do to the minds of normal citizens. I think it's called the Plot-Hole Steamrolling Power of the Dark Side.
    Not justifying it exactly, but there is a line or two where it implies the Jedi have grown weaker while the Dark Side has grown stronger. Poor writing keeps it from being explicitly stated (or implied in a manner that can be picked up easily enough, given how important this has to be for the Sith victory to make any sense).

    On that note, it still bugs me that only two Jedi out of all of them (a few thousand?) were able to fight back. I guess three, if you count Ki-Adi Mundi blocking a few blaster bolts. Only one of those actually succeeded; the other one got lucky and hid in the water.
    Tommy, close your eyes.

  7. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by bigbarada View Post
    Y'know in some ways it's not really fair to critically analyze the Prequels because they're such an easy target. Kind of like making fun of the mentally-challenged kid because he can't do long division.

    But that's not to say it's not fun.
    That's not fair, the prequels are more like the super rich kid with genius parents who sits in the class being distracting and lazy and acting like he can just coast through classes, occasionally cribbing from his dad's notes. It's totally worth making fun of him for screwing up.


    However, I think there are a few factors that would make this kind of thing possible:

    1. If Palpatine could lure the general population into complacency with prosperity and comfort, then most people will become completely self-centered and won't care what their government is doing unless it directly inconveniences them.
    Considering the age of the Republic and how little time he'd have to do this (it'd pretty much have to be the first thing he does, and then keeps doing for 10 years), I don't think that's a long enough time to ramp up that level of complacency with his work. The senate is watching, if for no other reason than to justify their own jobs, but there's a lot of them, Valorum was voted out in an exceptionally short amount of time for simply not taking more action.

    2. An all-powerful, central, unified government is ripe for corruption to grow unchecked. This kind of government is accountable to no one (remember the citizens have been turned into fat, contented cows happily grazing on the government's feet) and can literally get away with whatever it wants. Just think of Nazi Germany, imagine if their had been no Allied forces to confront them and hold them accountable for the Holocaust. If we had had a centralized, all-powerful, one-world government under Adolf Hitler just think of what kind of horrors our entire planet would be living under right now. This is why a unified, one-world government is NEVER, NEVER, NEVER a good idea. Because when that government becomes corrupt (it's not even a question of "if"), then you would actually have to leave the planet to escape the tyranny.
    Scale it up though, we're not talking about a little graft here and there, we're talking about 20% or more of the entire Republic government's money to pay for what to them looks like nothing at all. Hitler grew to power because the German people were poor and angry after losing WW1, they weren't fatcats, they started depressed and weak and became engaged and energized, ready to blame someone and take something.

    3. Also, if Palpatine was powerful enough to fog the Jedi's minds... every single Jedi, for every waking moment, for over ten years, no matter where they were in the galaxy.... then just imagine what he could do to the minds of normal citizens. I think it's called the Plot-Hole Steamrolling Power of the Dark Side. Which is a pretty convenient power to give your main villain if you want to gloss over the fact that none of your heroes do anything that makes any sense whatsoever.
    That's a big "if", we don't really know that's what he was doing, if he was really fogging their minds. I always took it to mean that Palpatine had used politics to manipulate the people against the Jedi, and with the people's will guiding the Force away from the Jedi, it weakened them.


    Quote Originally Posted by El Chuxter View Post
    Not justifying it exactly, but there is a line or two where it implies the Jedi have grown weaker while the Dark Side has grown stronger. Poor writing keeps it from being explicitly stated (or implied in a manner that can be picked up easily enough, given how important this has to be for the Sith victory to make any sense).

    On that note, it still bugs me that only two Jedi out of all of them (a few thousand?) were able to fight back. I guess three, if you count Ki-Adi Mundi blocking a few blaster bolts. Only one of those actually succeeded; the other one got lucky and hid in the water.
    Why didn't Mace Windu bring more Jedi to confront Palpatine? Why didn't Yoda bring more Jedi to confront Palpatine? Why didn't Yoda and Obi-Wan regroup and try again? Because... Darth Bad-Writ'ing.
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  8. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by JediTricks View Post
    Why didn't Mace Windu bring more Jedi to confront Palpatine?
    But that's not Mace's fault. Four Jedi should have been enough. Who could have thought that a 4 vs. 1 duel would have been reduced to a 1 vs. 1 battle after three swings of the red blade? I suppose that's why those Jedi were at the temple, instead of leading their battalions...
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  9. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by JediTricks View Post
    TWhy didn't Yoda bring more Jedi to confront Palpatine? Why didn't Yoda and Obi-Wan regroup and try again? Because... Darth Bad-Writ'ing.
    You don't remember the old Jedi adage of "If at first you don't succeed, then.... run away and go into hiding for 20 years until you can find some dumb kid who is gullible enough to fight your battles for you"? I think that was inscribed on the front of the Jedi Temple somewhere.

    Anyways, I agree with you that it's a major flaw in the storyline, I was just trying to come up with a half-hearted attempt at explaining it away; so I probably didn't think my comparisons through as thoroughly as I could have.

    Also, since everyone and their brother is getting zapped with Force lightning in the Prequels, you would think that Obi-Wan and Yoda might want to bring it up at least once just before Luke goes off to face Vader and the Emperor. Yoda could have said it just before he keeled over, "Do not underestimate the powers of the Emperor. The crap out of you, he will zap with lightning bolts from his fingertips; but how to defend against those I will teach you. First you must..... "

  10. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Metalmute View Post
    But that's not Mace's fault. Four Jedi should have been enough. Who could have thought that a 4 vs. 1 duel would have been reduced to a 1 vs. 1 battle after three swings of the red blade? I suppose that's why those Jedi were at the temple, instead of leading their battalions...
    That's just short-sighted. Palpatine controls all the senate guards at the very least, and is a Sith Lord who has been adeptly hiding right under their noses. If Palpatine had been leading a high speed chase on the freeway he'd have a dozen officers minimum on him. Mace should have brought EVERYONE, can never be too careful, and probably done a galaxy-wide broadcast of this important news - the chancellor of the Republic is a Sith Lord who is master over the leader of the Confederacy.

    Quote Originally Posted by bigbarada View Post
    You don't remember the old Jedi adage of "If at first you don't succeed, then.... run away and go into hiding for 20 years until you can find some dumb kid who is gullible enough to fight your battles for you"? I think that was inscribed on the front of the Jedi Temple somewhere.
    Yeah, I remember that plaque. They kept having someone stand in front of it to cover it up. Same reason Buckingham Palace has those guards that never move, covering up the secrets of the monarchy that are on plaques outside the building.

    Anyways, I agree with you that it's a major flaw in the storyline, I was just trying to come up with a half-hearted attempt at explaining it away; so I probably didn't think my comparisons through as thoroughly as I could have.
    No, I hear ya, it's fun to think about off-the-wall stuff like this when there's nothing else going on in SW.

    Also, since everyone and their brother is getting zapped with Force lightning in the Prequels, you would think that Obi-Wan and Yoda might want to bring it up at least once just before Luke goes off to face Vader and the Emperor. Yoda could have said it just before he keeled over, "Do not underestimate the powers of the Emperor. The crap out of you, he will zap with lightning bolts from his fingertips; but how to defend against those I will teach you. First you must..... "
    Heh heh, yeah, "try blocking, or just catching it". Super lame Jedi teachers.
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    The use of a lightsaber does not make one a Jedi, it is the ability to not use it.

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