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  1. #1

    Speculation On Sequel Trilogy keeping Exp. Univ. Continuity

    I posted this on another (movie discussion / entertainment) site:

    Star Wars can pick up just beyond the reach of the novels now (with the Empress Jaina Fel and the Imperial Knights (Royal Guards with Force powers loyal to Han and Leia's daughter's lineage) in the New Empire. Jaina will be late twenties or roughly 30. (They cast the ladies younger for these roles so they won't age in 3 movies).

    She'll be the focus of Episode 7.

    Ben Skywalker will be the focus of Episode 8, under Luke's training, with his cousin's Empire and example of "what not to do with the Force.

    Allanah Solo (probably about 10 years old in E7 will come of age to help her aunt, Jedi cousin (Luke's son) and grandparents by Episode 9.
    The comics have continued with Ania Solo - who could only originate from (deceased Darth Caedus' - Jacen Solo's line.

    Hasbro is making a figure of Darth Caedus now - it's in the Walmart computer system for their "black series" figures. (That's Jacen Solo wearing all black - or dressed like E3 Anakin, sort of.)

    Though up in the air right now, Del Rey is releasing a 3 novel series about Jaina Solo - who might or might not be married to Jagged Fel at that point. - I assume the Fel Dynasty is elected from Baron Soontir Fel, or his son and daughter-in-law Jaina, like Queen Amidala was elected. Then the Fels run the New Empire for generations. (They are not bad-guys).

    Episode 9, Ben Skywalker will need cousin Jaina's help to defeat the Sith enemy (Zekk? as Darth-Somebody?) and Jaina will show the family, and Allanah Solo, that she is still the Sword of the Jedi and all family differences might be resolved. (I have no idea about Jaina's relationship with Han and Leia, but because she killed Jacen, I don't think it's a comfortable one).

    Also, a lesson to be learned for Ben Skywalker, since cousin Jacen's actions led to Ben's mother's death (Mara Skywalker) and Luke probably was trying to teach his son that revenge of the Jedi is not the way. Obviously, with Mara being Jaina's former master, she had other ideas about revenge. She's a Solo, thus the prefect rogue Jedi that could make herself an Empress.

    Chewie fans (I actually AM one - he was my first favorite SW character) - well, he'll be returning in the between movies - like Young Han Solo, and Boba Fett. There will be plenty of Chewie, but he's dead for E7-9. Only missing Harrison Ford playing off him. But the new Young Han, if cast well, will work well.

    Harrison Ford's big role he wanted if he returned, will either be corralling his wayward daughter Jaina, when Han has no Force powers, or trying to protect young grand-daughter Allanah, from perhaps even the return of Boba Fett.

    The young cast could be:

    competing for Jaina like Han and Luke were both interested in Leia:

    Zekk- turns to Dark Side (dangerous for Jag Fel)

    Jag Fel

    Jaina Solo-Fel

    Ben Skywalker

    Queen Mother Tenel Ka (Allanah Solo's mother)

    RETURNING

    Han
    Leia
    Luke
    Lando
    Boba Fett.
    Obi-Wan's ghost perhaps (portrayed by Ewan McGreggor)

    If Ian McDiarmid, Hayden Christensen, Natalie Portman, Jimmy Smits are cast, I suspect it will be for live action Clone Wars movies, or my favorite - that Padme wasn't so weak to die of a broken heart, and a handmaiden had a royal funeral instead. That way Padme raises baby Leia until she actually is killed - by Darth Vader - who doesn't know he or his orders led to that (kind of like Owen and Beru who Vader would likely not have killed outright - he would know they hadn't seen the Death Star plans in R2 if he were aware that R2 was the droid that had the plans and made it to the Lars' homestead.


    I forgot about Lowbacca.

    For a while there, George didn't want there to be Wookiee Jedi, but Plo Koon's master had also been one.

    I don't see why there can't be. But seeing the Barabel Jedi might also be cool.

    But that's a good way to introduce Chewie's death with 30 second or less dialogue, in there for those who haven't kept up with the books. And it let's Harrison Ford play off a Wookiee, though I'm sure Lowie won't be hanging around the elder Solos unless he takes on Uncle Chewie's life debt and wishes to protect and train Allanah Solo because her father doesn't have the Force.

    It'd be an interesting dynamic to play off Han's character:

    The only non-Force sensitive in his family, he's lost Chewie, I'm sure after the death of his Jedi sons Anakin and Jacen, he is sick of the Force - and he and Leia might have no love for Jaina - or maybe they've even distanced themselves from Luke too - as it's taken that Jaina killed the last Solo son to avenge her master, Mara, and Luke and Ben didn't do enough to stop her since they loved Mara. Thus Jaina is off establishing her New Empire.

    Now Han has to deal with another Wookiee, this one with The Force, raising his grand-daughter Allanah to "run off on some fool idealistic crusade like her father did."

    Harrison wanted meaningful story arcs if he came back as Solo:

    1) deal with a new Wookiee with The Force this time (Lowie) with a legit reason to protect his family (Uncle Chewie's legacy)

    2) try to raise a grand-daughter away from the wars and service as a Jedi which killed his sons and estranged his daughter.

    3) accept Allanah becoming a Jedi Knight by Episode 9 and restoring his love for Jaina when she comes back to save them all in Episode 9 when Ben Skywalker gets in over his head - thereby also making an uneasy peace with the Skywalkers, since the Solos "killed" Mara and took her from Luke and Ben.

    Zekk could become the new Dark Lord, and competing for Jaina's love as he always had, would force her to protect Jagged (who we know she marries and has children with) - and establish the Imperial Knights because there's some reason the Jedi cannot defeat Zekk.

    But it will start off how Zekk and Jag compete for Jaina, the way Han and Luke competed for Leia (in E7).

    Again, Episode 8 will be Ben Skywalker becoming a full Jedi Knight and possibly facing the Dark Side, maybe even falling after the death of his mother, Mara, which Zekk uses to twist Ben towards the Dark Side making him angry with the Solos.

    Damn! That's perfect! Of course that's why it will never happen. (But I sure hope it does - that's a passionate story about families and the rise of new Sith and new Jedi Knights (and the Imperial Knights) this way.
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    Better prepare for disappointment, Tycho, because Disney is doing away with most of the EU:
    http://www.sirstevesguide.com/conten...anded-Universe

    http://io9.com/disney-appoints-a-gro...=recirculation

    And then there's this especially brutal-towards-EU op-ed:

    http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/...nded-universe/


    Like I said when the news of Disney buying Lucasfilm and making sequels first came up, they were never going to use the EU for their storytelling, they wanted a clean slate for as much artistic freedom as possible. And now they're officially doing it, they're gutting the EU.

    Personally, I think getting rid of the canon hierarchy is probably a good thing for them but it de-legitimizes a lot of quality storytelling that's already come before, and it puts blinders on what's still to come.
    Darth Vader is becoming the Mickey Mouse of Star Wars.

    "We named the dog 'Chewbacca'!"
    The use of a lightsaber does not make one a Jedi, it is the ability to not use it.

  3. #3
    The articles did not confirm this. You're reporting falsehoods.

    And a brutal op-ed is just that an opinion editorial. Not a new story. But I heard Sean Hannity is looking for a sidekick. If you want the opening.

    I think you just like to try and irritate me. It takes an instigator to recognize an instigator.
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  4. #4
    The op ed also misquoted Leland chee's meaning by changing the way they phrased it.

    He said more than ever they need to make a cohesive universe.

    The op-ed said does this mean throwing out the EU? And he put "more than ever," he said. That was not a pause to reference the specific question. The right it wasn't even the guy who asked the question on Twitter.

    Let me phrase an opinion. People who don't have money to spend on comics or books or the patience and time to read them because they're too busy spending everything on toys want things made simpler for them. It goes with the ages 4 and up label on their favorite products.
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  5. #5
    Quote Originally Posted by Tycho View Post
    Let me phrase an opinion. People who don't have money to spend on comics or books or the patience and time to read them because they're too busy spending everything on toys want things made simpler for them. It goes with the ages 4 and up label on their favorite products.
    I don't think it's fair to imply that people who don't like the EU don't like to read. I love to read and comic book collecting is easily my #1 hobby right now. However, I just don't have any interest in reading, or purchasing, Star Wars related books and comics.

    I'd rather read a book where the author has the freedom to explore his or her own ideas and isn't just playing around in someone else's creative sandbox for a paycheck.

  6. #6
    I didn't aim my comment at you bigbarada. I've bought and read your original comic and it's quite good.

    I too am writing for characters in my own story line.

    I still would love to play with writing Star Wars and don't consider just doing it for a check.

    I wrote a whole six book comic story arc. The concept Star Wars just has a soft place in my heart and I don't care to watch the movies much. Gets boring. I want something new and the books and comics make it come out much faster.
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    To paraphrase Palpatine, it is you who are mistaken Tycho, about a great many things.

    Here's Adam Pawlus' take on it, not likely written to "get you", and yet saying the same thing:
    http://www.galactichunter.com/gh/sto...anded-universe

    And why are all these articles saying this? Because that is what the situation is, look at JabbaJohn's post in the other thread if you haven't seen it yet, he takes it straight from the source:
    http://www.sirstevesguide.com/showth...l=1#post776066


    Let me phrase an opinion. People who don't have money to spend on comics or books or the patience and time to read them because they're too busy spending everything on toys want things made simpler for them. It goes with the ages 4 and up label on their favorite products.
    So it's not the need to tell new cinematic stories cleanly without the baggage of Dark Empire and Heir to the Empire and Rogue Squadron and so on? It's the fault of the people who don't read and thus WON'T GIVE A CRAP ABOUT THOSE IN THE FIRST PLACE?!? Your logic is inconsistent there, you sound angry and bitter towards "the powers that be" in this situation and are lashing out.

    Which is more likely, that they're trying to "dumb down" EVERYTHING IN STAR WARS to appeal to poor people, or that they're trying to avoid a storytelling snafu that led to ridiculous entanglements like the very ones found when Dark Empire and Heir to the Empire were both being planned and stepping on each others toes and Lucasfilm had to step in and request changes and adjustments and then they still came out ridiculously inconsistent with each other? Yeah, it's the "dummies who didn't read any of that stuff"'s fault, sure, not a need to have a clean and consistent and clear path for the new artists creating the first new big-screen canon for Star Wars in a generation and are doing so based on George "I don't read these books or look at these comics or play these games" Lucas' story framework.
    Darth Vader is becoming the Mickey Mouse of Star Wars.

    "We named the dog 'Chewbacca'!"
    The use of a lightsaber does not make one a Jedi, it is the ability to not use it.

  8. #8
    The Hollywood Reporter is reporting that Peter Mayhew will be returning as Chewbacca in Episode VII. They're pretty reputable – more than something like Latino Review, anyway – and he recently cancelled a convention appearance due to "filming," and what else would Mayhew possibly be filming next month?

    In the EU, Chewie died in 25 ABY, or 21 years after ROTJ. Episode VII takes place around 34 ABY, or 30 years after ROTJ, so that already wouldn't line up with the EU. Of course they could choose to kill him off in a similar manner, which is entirely possible – Peter Mayhew isn't exactly a spring chicken anymore and recently had leg surgery to help him walk again, so I doubt Chewie will be getting into much action without the use of a stunt double. Or maybe we'll see Han fly him back to Kashyyyk, where he can eat Bantha Surprise and use Itchy's porn machine for the rest of his days.

  9. #9
    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. JabbaJohnL View Post
    In the EU, Chewie died in 25 ABY, or 21 years after ROTJ. Episode VII takes place around 34 ABY, or 30 years after ROTJ, so that already wouldn't line up with the EU. Of course they could choose to kill him off in a similar manner, which is entirely possible Peter Mayhew isn't exactly a spring chicken anymore and recently had leg surgery to help him walk again,
    He's well enough to have a planet land on his head.
    so I doubt Chewie will be getting into much action without the use of a stunt double.
    Then it'd be a shame if something like this were to happen!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwV61t_Tec8

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